Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

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New Paki FO spokesman flexes muscles - showing his mardangi !
A day after the military’s top brass accused Indian intelligence agency RAW of supporting terrorism in Pakistan, the Foreign Office has echoed similar concerns asking India to refrain from interfering in its internal matters. :!:

“Pakistan has provided proof of Indian involvement in Pakistani affairs at many occasions, including the recent secretary level talks,” Foreign Office spokesperson Khalilullah Qazi said, during his weekly briefing media in Islamabad on Thursday.
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India should refrain from interfering in Pakistan's internal affairs: FO - DAWN
Former Foreign Office spokesperson Tasneem Aslam on Thursday introduced her successor Qazi Khalilullah at a media briefing in Islamabad, where he said that Pakistan has always asked India to refrain from interfering in Pakistan's internal matters, and maintained that in the future they would continue to remind India to do so.

Radio Pakistan reported the FO spokesperson as saying that the government has provided proof of India's involvement in Pakistan's internal affairs as recently as the secretary-level talks.

Responding to a question about Dawood Ibrahim, Khalilullah said the government maintained the underworld fugitive is not on Pakistani soil, and that India had accepted Pakistan's ignorance of his whereabouts.


When addressing a question about the Doha process for reconciliation in Afghan, Khalilullah said that Pakistan supports an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned process for peace and stability in their country.

The spokesperson maintained that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has a vision for peace and stability in the region, and that the government was making every effort to attain this objective.
Why is Pakistan suddenly ratcheting up the supposed Indian interference? Is it in view of the Modi visit to China? Or. something else?
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^^^ IMO, Pakistan needs to show improvement in the internal security situation for the Chinese investments to flow. The only issue Pakistanis can unite around is (anti-)India. Crackdown on various groups in Pakistan is perhaps easier politically if they are seen as in league with India, RAW in particular.
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FYI: Pakistan Body Count: http://pakistanbodycount.org/analytics
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http://www.voanews.com/content/pakistan ... 52258.html
SLAMABAD—

A new report says that as of the end of 2014, Pakistan accounted for 46 percent of the more than 4 million people displaced by conflict and violence in South Asia.

The findings are part of a global research study released Wednesday by the Norwegian Refugee Council’s Internal Displacement Monitoring Center, or IDMC, at the United Nations in Geneva.

It says the number of internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Pakistan increased from at least 746,700 to at least 1.9 million as insurgency and counterinsurgency operations intensified, reversing a slow downward trend since 2009.

The report says Pakistani military operations against insurgents in the so-called North Waziristan and Khyber tribal districts near the Afghan border caused the largest new displacements of the year, with up to 907,000 people forced to flee their homes, compared with 140,000 in 2013.

It says that most of those newly displaced were still living in that situation at the end of last year.
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SSridhar wrote:India should refrain from interfering in Pakistan's internal affairs: FO - DAWN
Former Foreign Office spokesperson Tasneem Aslam on Thursday introduced her successor Qazi Khalilullah at a media briefing in Islamabad, where he said that Pakistan has always asked India to refrain from interfering in Pakistan's internal matters, and maintained that in the future they would continue to remind India to do so.

Radio Pakistan reported the FO spokesperson as saying that the government has provided proof of India's involvement in Pakistan's internal affairs as recently as the secretary-level talks.

Responding to a question about Dawood Ibrahim, Khalilullah said the government maintained the underworld fugitive is not on Pakistani soil, and that India had accepted Pakistan's ignorance of his whereabouts.


When addressing a question about the Doha process for reconciliation in Afghan, Khalilullah said that Pakistan supports an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned process for peace and stability in their country.

The spokesperson maintained that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has a vision for peace and stability in the region, and that the government was making every effort to attain this objective.
Why is Pakistan suddenly ratcheting up the supposed Indian interference? Is it in view of the Modi visit to China? Or. something else?
IMO part of it is related to operations against MQM in Karachi. The army probably wants to punish them harder after the utterances of Altaf and will use these allegations as cover as well as fuzz the blame for Sabeen Mahmud murder.
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MQM has already apologized to the army and backed off. This "Indian RAW agents in Pakistan" seems to be directed especially towards the Baloch movement and any group that is targeting the pakistani army. The lie provides a convenient excuse to the paki public to inflict violence and also coalesces support for the paki army.
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The guy on the left is former Dy. Speaker of NA & his twitter handle is @fkkundi :mrgreen:

1) fk is social media abbreviation for the 4 letter F word
2) And 'kundi', iam not explaining it here. Ask your tamil friends.

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Gropper is a lucky guy, for his needs he either has Mr.Kundi or Sherry.
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The Rohinee Singh on teetar

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Boor Bakistan Army.
First Khawaja Asif, then Altaf Hussain berating the fauj.
"Hathiyar daalne waale" ... :lol:
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Lo ji kar lo gal!
Indian muslim slapping pakistanis repeatedly.
Kufr yindoos (including Bharat Verma-ji) rubbing salt in...
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kish wrote:Gropper is a lucky guy, for his needs he either has Mr.Kundi or Sherry.
In spite of that Maradonna-like 'sleight of hand' incident, Sherry continued to be bravely 'close' to the Groper.
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Onlee Groper can Squeeze Sherry when they play Tom and Jerry for Cherry picking.
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re. sherry, it was a simple act of affection caught in public. no one ever added two plus two.

on a more serious note, i am disturbed by the strange quiet that has descended over the $$6B donation. The pandering to various interests and brochurebazzi has continued unabated. The glorification to god status not even questioned. Here too, a passing note and then nothing. The military folks want to double down on rented hardware unabated.

What a difference 15 years makes in quality of discussion.
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A_Gupta wrote:^^^ IMO, Pakistan needs to show improvement in the internal security situation for the Chinese investments to flow. The only issue Pakistanis can unite around is (anti-)India. Crackdown on various groups in Pakistan is perhaps easier politically if they are seen as in league with India, RAW in particular.
Dipanker wrote:IMO part of it is related to operations against MQM in Karachi. The army probably wants to punish them harder after the utterances of Altaf and will use these allegations as cover as well as fuzz the blame for Sabeen Mahmud murder.
Tuvaluan wrote:MQM has already apologized to the army and backed off. This "Indian RAW agents in Pakistan" seems to be directed especially towards the Baloch movement and any group that is targeting the pakistani army. The lie provides a convenient excuse to the paki public to inflict violence and also coalesces support for the paki army.
Thanks for responding with your inputs.

A_Gupta, you are right about the need for the security situation to become better within Pakistan for the flow of funds from China. It is one thing to sign agreements on USD 46B, but actual fund-flow is not going to occur unless there is greater stability.

Dipanker & Tuvaluvan, of course MQM & Baloch can be targetted more fiercely under the 'RAW agent' scenario. But, discrediting them in that manner has happened before too.

However, I have a different take on the frequent references to Indian interference in Pakistan in the last two weeks or so. Not that such statements are anything new, but there is a purpose behind these statements now. At least, that is how it appears to me.

All Foreign Office statements about India coming from Pakistan are actually issued by the Pakistani Army. The current purpose, IMHO, is that Pakistan is well aware of stabilizing the situation as you say. The Pakistani Army may not be as much interested in the economic dividends of the CPEC (except in terms of kickbacks or other money-making avenues etc wherever possible) as in deriving some strategic benefits. The strategic benefit that it is looking up to is having an 'Islamist leverage' with Kabul once again (Ghani, though friendly is not an Islamist of the variety that PA needs), because vanquishing India (if that is not possible at least surviving one more day to fight the Indian Army) is its only blinkered goal and it is therefore steadfastly holding on to the 'strategic depth' doctrine.

The PA is emboldened by the presence of Ghani at the helm of affairs in Kabul and the increasing interest that China is taking in Afghanistan. It feels that the situation on the Afghan front is a hundred times better now than it was after the Geneva Agreement in 1988. There was internecine war for six years and there were seven competing groups for the spoils of war. Pakistan could not manage the chaos then. Even a combined effort by KSA & Pakistan led to nowhere except cups after cups of kahwah in Riyadh & Jeddah. That is not the situation now, nor will it likely descend into that if Pakistan & China could control the Taliban and make Ghani & others share power with them.

However, this will not still solve the 'internal instability & insecurity' problem of Pakistan. That comes from schisms within Pakistan itself. The various units that split from TTP have joined Dae'sh. They no longer pledge bayat to Mullah Omar. Though the IS has announced its Khorasan unit, its real target is Pakistan. Except for some territory, for managing which the IS may have to employ disproportionate assets, Afghanistan brings no particular advantage to the IS. A nuclear armed Pakistan with so much of internal terrorism, fundamentalism and particularly sectarian groups is what will give the IS a decisive edge against Non-Believers. Afghanistan can be 'acquired' later by the IS to complete the Khorasan picture. The Taliban and the warlords in Afghanistan do not like the IS (just like the PA) because the IS would rob them of their livelihood. However, the more radically inclined real Islamist groups in Pakistan which have already announced their allegiance to IS, would welcome them as they do not have any clash of interests unlike the Taliban. IMO, that is why the ISI is co-opting Al Qaeda under its wings now.

The statement released by the AQIS that A_Gupta cross-posted here from the SAARC thread where it said that the "Kerry-Lugar bill, which sought to humiliate the believers" clearly refers to the coalition of AQIS with the PA because the only group which felt humiliated by it was the PA. The PA forced the US to backtrack on some of its provisions on LeT and the way the PA was to be governed by civilian authority etc. Groups like LeT & JeM are already under the control of the PA.

So, there is every likelihood of an internal jihad erupting between the IS and splinter TTP groups on the one hand and the PA and its proxies on the other though I am unable to put my finger on the pulse of when. It is only a question of When and not If. It is my surmise therefore that the PA is trying to create an impression in the Chinese minds that Indian actions are against the Janissary who will eventually provide the guard duties to the Chinese commercial interests in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Creating such a fear psychosis about RAW activities will have multiple benefits for Pakistan. In the very short term, the aim is to create some uncertainty in the Chinese minds ahead of the Modi visit and possibly it is an attempt to make the Chinese friends forcibly take up this issue with India because it directly affects the "Road & Belt" dream project. Again, any time the proposed 10000-strong China Protection Force for the CPEC fails to save Chinese lives in Pakistan, the ground is already well prepared to shift the blame on India. It may also be an attempt to create an impression in Chinese minds that because of this paranoia, it is better to restrict India's access to Afghanistan even more.
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http://atimes.com/2015/05/muslims-europ ... led-frogs/
A Chinese expert on South Asia told me not long ago, “Pakistan is simple. DO NOT MODERNIZE. Keep them feudal. Just make sure that the army chief of staff is the biggest feudal landlord.”
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Altaf Hussain pak fauj ki lete huye...
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Altaf Bhai is proposing Direct Action against fauj...
This was after the ISI put that SSP in front of the media to berate MQM and called them RAW agents.

Altaf bhai downhill skiied the very next day... apologised to the fauj the next morning.
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Jhujar wrote:Onlee Groper can Squeeze Sherry when they play Tom and Jerry for Cherry picking.
cherry and sherry have long since separated!!
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chetak wrote:cherry and sherry have long since separated!!
indeed sherry popped her cherry a looong time ago
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SSridhar wrote: Creating such a fear psychosis about RAW activities will have multiple benefits for Pakistan. In the very short term, the aim is to create some uncertainty in the Chinese minds ahead of the Modi visit and possibly it is an attempt to make the Chinese friends forcibly take up this issue with India because it directly affects the "Road & Belt" dream project. Again, any time the proposed 10000-strong China Protection Force for the CPEC fails to save Chinese lives in Pakistan, the ground is already well prepared to shift the blame on India. It may also be an attempt to create an impression in Chinese minds that because of this paranoia, it is better to restrict India's access to Afghanistan even more.
My take is that STFUP is preparing the downhill skiing to protect H&D of the purported $46B investment, which will probably not materialize and is a bunch of smoke being blown. It will be cloaked as the red lips dragon was willing to invest in Bakistan, but misfortunately RAW activities skewed the pitch for the iron brother's honey dipped offer. That way Gwadar can be annexed and the CPEC will remain a dirt road with a beautiful lake view.
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Thanks, but no tanks



Thanks, but no tanks
F.S. Aijazuddin — Published a day ago


IF there is a name Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has heard once too often, it is that of Bruce Riedel. Riedel retired from the CIA in 2006. His wife still works there. (The CIA like subcontinental politics and the US presidency is a family business.)

In July 1999, when Nawaz Sharif made his lightning visit to Washington to invoke Bill Clinton’s intervention after the Kargil fiasco, the only other person allowed in the meeting at Blair House, was a note-taker — Bruce Riedel.

Within three months, Nawaz Sharif heard the name again. Bruce Riedel helped broker Nawaz Sharif’s escape from Attock Fort. “After Sharif’s ouster in a coup by Pervez Musharraf in 1999,” Riedel recalled, “he went into exile to Saudi Arabia, an agreement negotiated by myself for the Clinton administration to forestall Nawaz’s execution. The deal was arranged with the influence of Saudi ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar bin Sultan.”
Reports on Pak-Saudi nuclear cooperation are routinely dismissed.

In 2011, Riedel (now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, Washington) revealed Saudi interest in Pakistan’s nuclear programme. Riedel wrote: “In October 2003, then Crown Prince Abdullah visited Pakistan for a state visit. Several experts reported after the trip that a secret agreement was concluded that would ensure Pakistan would provide Saudi Arabia with nuclear technology and a bomb if Saudi Arabia felt threatened by a third party nuclear programme in the future. Both countries, of course, denied the stories.”

Riedel was in fact repeating the disclosure made earlier in The Washington Times by Arnaud de Borchgrave. Relying on a ranking Pakistani insider “whose information has proven reliable for more than a decade”, Borchgrave spilled the radioactive beans that “Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have concluded a secret agreement on ‘nuclear cooperation’ that will provide the Saudis with nuclear-weapons technology in exchange for cheap oil [.] The disclosure came at the end of a 26-hour state visit to Islamabad last weekend by Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler, who flew across the Arabian Sea with an entourage of 200, including Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al Faisal and several cabinet ministers. It will be vehemently denied by both countries … but future events will confirm that Pakistan has agreed to provide [Saudi Arabia] with the wherewithal for a nuclear deterrent.”

In November 2013, the BBC carried a report that “Amos Yadlin, a former head of Israeli military intelligence, told a conference in Sweden that if Iran got the bomb,” the Saudis will not wait one month. They already paid for the bomb. They will go to Pakistan and bring what they need.” Our foreign ministry dismissed the BBC report as “speculative, mischievous and baseless”, insisting that Pakistan is “a responsible nuclear state”.

These revelations — deliberate and disclosed with a purpose — were timed to apply a pincer pressure by Saudi Arabia and by Israel on the US during its negotiations on a nuclear deal with Iran.

Israel and Imperial Iran had once been friends; Royal Saudi Arabia and Israel once enemies. “Any country can choose its friends,” Gholamreza Ansari the Iranian ambassador to New Delhi advised his hosts in a newspaper interview recently. “But we should not let our friends chose our enemies. If Israel is your friend, don’t let them choose your enemies.” Ansari then paid an unexpected compliment to Pakistan for its stance in the Saudi-Yemeni conflict: “The Pakistanis didn’t help them because they were wise.”

Our wisdom will be tested soon enough, as soon as the new Saudi administration flexes its well-oiled muscles. Interestingly, the recent dynastic mutation in Riyadh is a replay of one in Amman in 1999 (a fateful year for many), when King Hussein’s brother Hassan (crown prince for 34 years) found himself peremptorily replaced by the dying Hussein’s son (now King Abdullah).

The outgoing Fore­ign Minister Saud Al Faisal, like his father King Faisal, had been a staunch friend of Pakistan. His successor is from a more brittle mould. Nawaz Sharif’s visit of contrition notwithstanding, the Saudis are unlikely to forgive Sharif, his parliament or his country for what the Saudis regard as an unconscionable betrayal. In their eyes, we have committed the unpardonable. We have made them lose face publicly, and when all that is visible of a Bedouin Arab is his face, to lose that is to lose all.

How far should we have gone to express our gratitude to the Saudis? The Irish patriot Daniel O’Connell once declared, “No man can be grateful at the cost of his honour … and no nation can be grateful at the cost of its liberty.” By offering the Saudis tardy thanks in lieu of timely tanks, we may have reasserted our liberty but we have certainly lost a friend.

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Pakistan military helicopter crashes, killing six people including Norwegian and Philippine ambassadors
A Pakistan military helicopter carrying diplomats to the launch of projects in northern Pakistan crashed on Friday killing six people, including the ambassadors of Norway and the Philippines and the wives of the ambassadors of Malaysia and Indonesia, the army said.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was traveling to the mountainous northern region of Gilgit on a separate aircraft to launch two projects when the accident happened. He returned to Islamabad, his office said.

Military spokesman Asim Bajwa said in a Twitter post that as well as the four foreigners, the two pilots were killed.

He said the ambassadors of Poland and the Netherlands were among the injured.

Media said 11 foreigners and six Pakistanis were on board the MI-17, which crashed into a school Gilgit and caught fire.
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^^ It said that they were to inagurate some project in Gilgit.

Are these countries also funding projects in PoK?
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/883013/thre ... in-gilgit/

TTP claims responsibility

Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan claimed responsibility for shooting down the helicopter in Gilgit.

TTP spokesperson Muhammad Khorasani claimed a special task force had prepared a plan to target Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, however, the premier escaped the attempt as he was in a different helicopter.

In a statement, Khorasani said “TTP will soon show the Shoulder Launch Missile (SAM SYSTEM) used in the attack”.
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WTF are those diplomats especially Philipines doing in disputed territory. The deserve wwhat the Chinese give them.
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It was one of three helicopters ferrying a delegation of foreign diplomats for the inauguration of a chairlift project built by the air force for tourists in the area.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32653359
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Islamabad: A Pakistan military helicopter carrying diplomats to the launch of projects in northern Pakistan crashed on Friday killing six people, including the ambassadors of Norway and the Philippines and the wives of the ambassadors of Malaysia and Indonesia, the army said.
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was travelling to the mountainous northern region of Gilgit on a separate aircraft to launch two projects when the accident happened. He returned to Islamabad, his office said.
Military spokesman Asim Bajwa said in a Twitter post that as well as the four foreigners, the two pilots were killed.
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Intentional miss by Saudi sympathizers in Pak Army for NS?
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SSridhar wrote:So, there is every likelihood of an internal jihad erupting between the IS and splinter TTP groups on the one hand and the PA and its proxies on the other though I am unable to put my finger on the pulse of when. It is only a question of When and not If. It is my surmise therefore that the PA is trying to create an impression in the Chinese minds that Indian actions are against the Janissary who will eventually provide the guard duties to the Chinese commercial interests in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.
If the shooting down of the helicopter can be considered an attack on the army by the splinter group then my sashtaanga pranaams to your prophetic prediction :)

On the other hand If this shooting down is by the munnas of PA, then it can either be a way to for PA to put pressure on China master to put pressure on India to ease up things. If they had finished off Nawaz, Unkil would not have been happy. In this scenario it means that the fig-leaf of democracy is still valued by the PA.
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Envoys killed in Pakistan helicopter crash, Taliban claim responsibility

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 200843.cms
The Pakistani Talban issued a statement claiming they had shot down the helicopter with an anti-aircraft missile. It was impossible to immediately verify the claim, and unclear if it was merely an opportunistic attempt to claim responsibility for an unrelated incident. The Pakistani military did not immediately respond to queries about the Taliban claim.
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So the TTP has now some artillery AND AA assets..

Wonder how they managed to get SAMs (pretty sure they had Sanskrit texts written on the side and a saffron grip)
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Condolences to the foreign diplomats who were killed.The fallout of this tragedy is going to be harsh on Pak. What were so many diplomats/wives doing aboard the same helo too? Surely Paki helos come equipped with anti-SAM/MANPADS devices like flares,chaff,etc.?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... among-dead
Pakistan helicopter crash kills foreign ambassadors

Norwegian and Philippine ambassadors to Pakistan are among those killed as aircraft crashes into school in Gilgit-Baltistan territory
Jon Boone in Islamabad
Friday 8 May 2015

Two ambassadors to Pakistan were among six people killed when a military helicopter crashed into a school in the country’s mountainous north, the country’s army said.

The two pilots of the MI-17 transport helicopter were also killed in the crash, which took place on Friday as the foreign dignitaries were being ferried to the inauguration of a project that was to be presided over by Nawaz Sharif, Pakistan’s prime minister.

Army spokesman Asim Bajwa said four foreign passengers died, including Domingo D Lucenario, the Philippine ambassador, and Norwegian envoy Leif H Larsen. The wives of the Malaysian and Indonesian envoys were also killed, while the Polish and Dutch ambassadors were among the injured, Bajwa said.

Witnesses said the helicopter was one of three that crashed in Naltar, a valley town in Gilgit-Baltistan, the mountainous region that Pakistan hopes will emerge as a key part of a major land trade route with China.

Sharif was en route to the nearby city of Gilgit for an inauguration ceremony but turned back in the wake of the crash, state media said.

The prime minister “expressed deep grief and sorrow over the incident”, according to the Pakistan Broadcasting Corporation.

It was not immediately clear what caused the crash, which set school buildings ablaze. The Taliban said they had shot down the helicopter, but militants do not operate in the area and the group often claims responsibility for incidents it has nothing to do with. The high-altitude, mountainous terrain – part of the Karakoram range – is inherently risky for aircraft.

Pakistani soldiers stand guard outside a military hospital in Gilgit. Photograph: Farman Karim/AFP/Getty Images

“I was standing with a friend when I noticed a helicopter coming into land,” said local Irtiza Hussain. “I had only just seen the colours that told me it was a military helicopter when the next moment it fell.

We heard a very horrible sound and we ran away, fearing the soldiers would start asking questions of us.”

Eleven foreigners and six Pakistani passengers were also on board the aircraft at the time of the crash. The injured were airlifted to a military hospital in Gilgit city.

It is not the first a senior foreign diplomat has died in a Pakistani military aircraft. In 1988 the then US ambassador to Islamabad, Arnold Raphel, died in the same plane crash that killed military ruler Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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The real questions is what so many diplomats were doing in Gilgit- Baltistan.
Why you need Prime minister and so many foreign diplomats to inaugurate small rope-way?
Is this common practice by diplomats to visit disputed territory?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Pakistani Army claims no terror attack, only a helicopter crash - DAWN
Speaking to DawnNews after the incident, DG ISPR said the helicopter crashed due to a technical fault and ruled out the possibility of any terrorist or subversive activity.
Most probably, a short circuit in air vacuum as it happened at The Marriott once upon good ol' days.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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Per the news, the chairlift was completed 6 months ago, but was going to be "inaugurated" only now.

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Pakistan gets 1st Ski Chairlift in Naltar Gilgit Baltistan
October 17, 2014 in Gilgit

There might be no other good news in the year for the inhabitants of Naltar Valley, Gilgit Baltistan other than their new 180-seater ski chairlift. “Pakistan Zindabad!” reverberated in the valley, as the first successful test run of the ski chairlifts concluded in August. For the Naltaris, it is not just good news, it is great news.

Situated some 40km away from Gilgit, the Naltar Valley is home to all skiing activity in Pakistan. They say skiing comes naturally to almost every girl, boy, man and even housewives in Naltar. Most Naltaris cannot afford the expensive ski kits available in the market and many thus tend to carve their own kits from wood chopped from the pine forests nearby. On these same home-made wooden skis trained Mohammad Abbas and Mohammad Karim; the duo represented Pakistan in the Vancouver (Canada) and Sochi (Russia) winter Olympics respectively. Abbas’ homemade wooden kit is presently displayed in a Canadian museum. Skiing is as much a tradition in Naltar as it is an identity.

The chairlifts therefore are part of the Ski Federation of Pakistan’s (SFP) endeavours to harness Naltari passion and develop Naltar as a world-class skiing resort in Pakistan, equipped with facilities and amenities that are comparable with any winter sport destination across the globe. They have been brought to Pakistan with the help of Swiss and Chinese experts. Naltari ski chairlifts are now the only operational ones in Pakistan for winter games purposes; there used to be another one in Malam Jabba (some 40km from Saidu Sharif), but it fell victim to terrorism. Three chairlifts also operate in Muree, Patraiata, and Ayyubia, but those are only for tourism purposes and not for skiing or any other winter games purpose.

Pakistan gets its first ski chairlift in Naltar Valley but getting there might be a problem
Much of this development has been driven by the incumbent air chief, Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Tahir Rafiq Butt, while he was serving as the president of the federation. In fact, the federation is patronised by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), who operate a base camp in Naltar. ACM Butt is now the patron-in-chief of the SFP.

About two years ago, ACM Butt had initiated various welfare projects for the children of Naltar, including free education and ski training. With Naltar already boasting an indigenous ski-making cottage industry, the idea was to deliver a facility where international competitions could be held.

It was felt at the time that all the basic requirements of the Federation de International Skiing (FIS), such as a ski slope, snow pressing machines, and ski chairlifts should be made available at Naltar’s ski resort. The slope has successfully been extended while the pending case of a snow pressing machine has also been taken up. An agreement was also inked between a Swiss company and the SFP, under which the company agreed to donate the chairlifts to Pakistan for the ski resort. Pakistan only had to bear the cost of decommissioning the ski chairlifts from the original site in Switzerland, carriage charges and installation.

Last year, PAF engineers started installing the lift at the present site in Naltar — a process that reached completion in the last week of August 2014 with the first successful test run of the ski chairlifts. As per official reports, final testing and commissioning is underway with Swiss experts having arrived in Pakistan to certify the facility.

Tourism experts in the country are attaching great importance to the ski chairlifts in the promotion of skiing and increasing tourism to Pakistan, especially to Gilgit Baltistan. Many argue that due to the law and order situation in the country, Pakistani sport lost almost all international competitions despite the abundance of great talent. But this situation can be reversed through Naltar’s ski resort.

“With the addition of the ski chairlift in Naltar and some other facilities, international ski competitions can now be organised in Naltar, and we can return sporting activities to the country though winter games,” says Colonel (retd) Mohammad Walli, president of the Gilgit Baltistan Ski Association. “We have a wonderful ski slope, perhaps a hundred times better than that of the Indian ski resort of Auli. We only need government support and some public relations exercises. We are confident that we can hold an international ski competition within one year.”

One major stumbling block to Naltar’s development as an international ski resort, however, is the regrettable condition of the road leading from Gilgit to Naltar. As things stand, the one-hour journey to Naltar is near impossible unless ski enthusiasts travel there on a jeep.

“The focal point of development of any place is a road; in the case of Naltar, this point is missing till date,” argues M. Zaffar Yousafzai, the secretary general of the Sindh Ski Association. “Until and unless the road leading to Naltar is carpeted properly, sporting activity in the valley cannot be properly promoted.”

Recent news reports suggest that ACM Butt has requested the prime minister to expedite work on the road, and the PM has acquiesced. “The plan of constructing a wide pucca road from Gilgit to Naltar is already in the pipeline. After the completion of the road, tourists shall be able to visit and stay in Naltar,” claims SFP Vice-President M Javed.

Then there are problems with communication and lodging facilities. Mr Salman, director of a private group, Sports Management Islamabad, contends that the tourism department should attract investors to construct lodging facilities. “Organisations such as the Pakistan Tourism Development Corporation (PTDC) or the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), who have their own ski teams and take special interest in Naltar, should build resorts and motels to accommodate tourists,” he argues.

Meanwhile, authorities in Gilgit Baltistan are excited about the follow-on benefit of the ski chairlifts and other facilities. “Not only can winter sports thrive but summer ski sports such as grass skiing and roller skating can also be promoted,” says SFP’s Javed, who also serves as an office bearer of the Alpine Club of Pakistan. “I have no two opinions about this, but to say that sooner or later, Pakistan will be a major player in the field of winter games across the world.”
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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http://www.thelocal.se/20150508/swedish ... omat-crash
The helicopter involved in the accident was one of three carrying a delegation of envoys from 37 different countries to inspect projects on a three-day trip to Pakistan's Gilgit-Baltistan territory where they were set to meet with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

Sweden's ambassador, Tomas Rosander, was on the trip, the Swedish Foreign Ministry confirmed to Swedish broadcaster SVT, but was not on board the helicopter that crashed.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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The Dutch and Polish envoys have apparently died as well.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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The heli crashed into a school, built by the army but was luckily closed because of the PM's visit. This school looks dilapidated.

https://twitter.com/TayyabYounis/status ... 44/photo/1
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

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When did PA start buying Russian helicopters?
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