Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby schinnas » 25 May 2015 10:54

shiv wrote:
schinnas wrote:About undoing partition, I am for it for ideological reasons. I firmly do not believe that humanity can develop where models of nationality driven by religious fundamentalism are allowed to succeed.

You are pulling me into an OT debate. The idea of having any type of nation-state with border controls, visas, citizenship etc is equally bad. "Borderless world" is the ultimate extrapolation of the idea that you are letterboxing into a small India-Pakistan space as you support undoing of partition. There were no borders anywhere 5000 years ago. Even 500 years ago there were mostly no borders between nations for anyone who wanted to travel.

Borders are a necessary evil give the fact that nation states like the idea that they are nation states and wish to preserve that status. The US for example has no intention of dissolving its borders for all and sundry to enter - and that is a purely selfish (and "rational") motive.


Since this is OT, I will stop at this last post. Borders are immaterial as long as they are for administrative purposes only. Even within a nation state there would be borders for various administrative regions and that is OK. That said, I agree that in the longer term (over next few centuries) the concept of nation states will slowly lose its purpose with increased globalization.

The logical progress of Indic philosophy of Vasudeiva Kudumbakam would be to move towards larger and larger groupings where nation states can still for the forseeable future have a role and purpose to serve. I see unitary nation states, federalistic larger nation states (such as India, USA), groups of nations with collective administrative, financial and military arrangements and eventually a one world family - governed by an effective UN v2.0 that is not beholden to any P5 entitites but truly democratic in its function and has teeth. EU, SAARC, and similar groupings of African, South American and east Asian countries can evolve into such effective group of nations with common currency, common military and visa free travel while each constituent country still retains its borders for administrative purposes and retains the freedom to move out of the collective entity at any time it wishes to. For SAARC to evolve to that level, Pakistan and Bangladesh stand in the way. I doubt anyone would oppose open border (visa free travel) and common currency, infrastructure links and potentially some aspects of common military with Nepal, Bhutan or Sri Lanka (while they continue to remain as sovereign independent states that on their own will can move out of this set up anytime they want to).

The Islam problem needs to be solved for all of SAARC to fully evolve as one entity as an intermediate step towards an even larger union of States and civilizations. Until then India should look at ways to take rest of SAARC together into such a close functional entity.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Rishi » 25 May 2015 10:55

Anyone read Munir Akram's latest in Yaawn?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby SSridhar » 25 May 2015 11:13

Rishi wrote:Anyone read Munir Akram's latest in Yaawn?

Yes, what about it ? usual stuff from him. He openly wants more share for the Taliban in governance, wants Mullah Omar to be removed from all terrorism-related lists/charges. After that, I stopped reading the rest. He has given his list of eight points, that scumbag.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Rishi » 25 May 2015 11:24

SSridhar wrote:
Rishi wrote:Anyone read Munir Akram's latest in Yaawn?

Yes, what about it ? usual stuff from him. He openly wants more share for the Taliban in governance, wants Mullah Omar to be removed from all terrorism-related lists/charges. After that, I stopped reading the rest. He has given his list of eight points, that scumbag.


Its like staring into the eye of Sauron - this is the establishment posture view of what they say they want

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby pankajs » 25 May 2015 11:39

This is the cretin Swamy's analysis
Eschewing the showy violence of the rampaging elephant, Modi has gone with the other, slower, much-maligned way of war: to plod, step by step, along a perilous path, ignoring abuse and exhortation. It may dismay some of his hawkish cheerleaders — but it also shows a clear grasp of reality.

For years now, leading figures in this government — notably National Security Advisor Ajit Doval — have advocated the use of offensive covert means to degrade terrorist infrastructure. This is polite language for assassinating terrorist leaders and blowing up their assets — a strategy that, in theory, stops short of war. Like most shiny offers, though, this one too comes with hidden costs.

Terrorists, notably, are certain to retaliate against attack. Given India’s anaemic intelligence and police resources, no one can guarantee a pre-emption of a Lashkar-e-Toiba urban bombing campaign to avenge the assassination of, say, Lakhvi.

On the contrary, Modi has toned down his rhetoric because now he is the PM of India and IF When the retaliation occurs from the Indian side (Per Doval strategy and in response to an attack) he doen't want the PM's office to be dragged into it by virtue of his strident position on the issue in his latest avatar.

Infact, I read the exact opposite in his stance i.e the rhetoric at Modi level has gone down with the increase in India's covert capacity to respond inside Bakistan. This is only wrt response to an attack on Indian soil or interests. However, the work of weakening Bakis from inside continues irrespective and continues to be ramped up. With such measures in place Modi can *afford* to appear to *plod along* as the cretin seems to read the situation.

The cretin is trying to discredit the Indian position inside India in service of his Baki/Amreeki pay masters.

Modi’s second option — retaliation along the Line of Control — hasn’t worked out quite as planned, either. The Modi government’s first acts included mortar-for-bullets escalation along the India-Pakistan frontier in Jammu. The idea was to inflict costs on Pakistan’s armed forces for provocation along the Line of Control. The strategy, however, didn’t deter back-to-back fidayeen attacks that took place in March — and, moreover, provoked a flood of refugees.
Even worse, from the Army’s point of view, continued firing would have made rebuilding the Line of Control fencing difficult — thus hurting a key element of India’s counter-terrorism infrastructure.

It could be argued that the aggressive posture on the Line of Control failed because it wasn’t aggressive enough: cross-border retaliation, after all, posed no real threat to well dug-in Pakistani forces. This wouldn’t have been true, hardliners argue, if Indian forces were willing to actually humiliate the Pakistan army by grabbing territory along the Line of Control — the third option.

However, it is far from clear if India’s armed forces can deliver a decisive win — making this third option risky. In a thoughtful paper published this month, the scholar Walter Ladwig III reviewed the state of both countries’ forces, concluding that in “the most likely conflict scenarios India is unlikely to achieve the strategic surprise necessary to make a limited offensive succeed”.

Again the same kind of analysis. My understanding was/is that the mortar-for-bullet escalation is to make such adventures expensive for the BakMil. It may not prevent all attacks immediately but was to make the BakMil do more cost/benefit analysis. If the cretin expected the BakMil to turn tails on its first encounter with mortar-for-bullet strategy then his knowledge is really shallow. The strategy will be tested many time and only over longish period of time can we say with certainty if the strategy has worked or failed.

Surprisingly the cretin has endorsed Modi/Doval strategy in the last para as the only way forward after trying to diss it.
That means developing covert assets to make acts of terrorism prohibitively costly, to have policing and intelligence systems that will ensure jihadist retaliation has a low probability of success, and to have military means that leaves an adversary in no doubt of swift defeat.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby pankajs » 25 May 2015 15:13

Same video different starting point ...

Ajit Doval Fans ‏@AjitDovalFans 31m31 minutes ago

Haha Former DG ISI Hamid Gul says RAW can put Karachi on fire when ever they wish https://youtu.be/bW-rGPWOSMs?t=5m45s
Ajit Doval Fans ‏@AjitDovalFans 40m40 minutes ago

@swamy39 Sir,it seems Pak ISI understands Brahmin Mentality of revenge very well. Hamid Gul explains it https://youtu.be/bW-rGPWOSMs?t=24m2s

India Today ‏@IndiaToday 53m53 minutes ago

Cartoon: Sandeep Adhwaryu | http://www.IndiaToday.in | #AajTakManthan @CartoonistSan

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby CRamS » 25 May 2015 18:21

So who is this "scholar" that this vermin Praveen Sawmi does shastaanga namaskaram to?


In a thoughtful paper published this month, the scholar Walter Ladwig III reviewed the state of both countries’ forces ...


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby anmol » 25 May 2015 18:31

Protests erupted in Pakistan after a mentally unstable Christian man reportedly was seen burning pages from a holy Koran (Quran). Razarumi Humayun was charged under Section 295-B. He’s being kept at the Gulshan Ravi Police Station.
Christians in Pakistan reported:
http://www.christiansinpakistan.com/pol ... with-295c/
It has been reported that violent clashes erupted in DhoopSari, a densely populated Christian Colony of the Gulshan Ravi area after a middle aged Christian man allegedly burnt the Holy Quran.

Humayun Faisal was beaten up and taken to the local police station where he was charged under the 295c. He is also reported to be mentally unstable.

As the news of the desecration spread a mob of 200-300 people from the neighboring area gathered to protest against the accused. Local Christian residents of the area also reported that the mob wanted to burn down their homes.

Timely intervention by the police saved the lives of many innocent which could have been lost if the mob did not stop protesting.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby CRamS » 25 May 2015 18:33

neerajmaurya wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/explai ... h-reality/

Praveen Swami on lack of options w.r.t. Pak. Are we really this much handicapped?


I don't think he is telling us anything new. All he is saying is that offensively hitting TSP (US, Israel style) will be prohibitively expensive for India, and I might add, playing into TSP hands in that TSP would like nothing more than a stalemate with "nuclear flash-point" dominating the headlines.. Who did not know that?

I mean the tone and tenore of his article dispays a certian contempt for those in India, like Doval, and nationalists, who do want to punish TSP. One only needs to push cretins like him, and pretty soon, he will be on Thappad's show with some RAPE Pakis like hajam soothi, saying war no option, pee pee contact, play kirket, forget 26/11, "we have RSS, TSP has LeT", make LOC irrelevant and the crap like that with nodding approval from the bahadurs in Washington/London.

None of us who know TSP well are advocating any war. But we are advocating using all of India's leverages to make TSP behave, and if TSP resorts to any terrorist hanky panky, hit them hard. India is certainly capable of this much, and if I am so ignorant that India cannot even do this much, well, then I guess India deserves what it gets, I mean if there is any India left at all, if we follow the cretin Swami and MMS/Sonia path of abject surrender.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby CRamS » 25 May 2015 18:39

neerajmaurya wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/one-year-of-narendra-modi-government-us-versus-them/

Bruce Reidel on US - India and PRC- Pak camp in today's indian express.



Lot of sugar coating. US is pretty good at this, throwing a dog bone, and making it sound like it has given a lot, which of course he count by the likes of Shekhar Dhuppata, UnDy etc and to repeat ad nauseum. Note he doesn't mention that massive military aid to TSP, which makes India's life that much more difficult to deal with TSP.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby RamaY » 25 May 2015 18:52

schinnas wrote:I expect that it would take at-least 20 years for Islam to refine itself or for majority of population in Pakistan to move on to belief systems that are more conducive to development. 20 years is an optimistic estimate here. It could very well be 200+ years as no body from outside can refine Islam and there is no precedent for any country in history so far under sway of militant Islam to either completely refine Islam or to fully get out of its clutches. But that doesn't mean it is not possible.

However difficult or unlikely (at present) this solution might seem, I do not see another solution that is more preferable.


I hope you understand that "refining" Islam, even from within, would mean lot of churning like there will be 786 more ISIS like shops killing millions of otherwise patriotic, peaceful and secular Muslims and/or peaceful progressive Muslims willingly joining those shops as jihadi brides and an eventual up raising of "peaceful" silent majority that kills 786 (x10,000?) misguided innocent Muslim youth.

So we all are ok with such an internal reform within Islam that would consume at least few tens of millions of Muslims (ask Pakistan if in doubt, they lost ~50,000 lives in the past decade in their pursuit of Islamic reformation) over next few decades/centuries (we should give all the time Muslims need to self-reform says Al-Hindu-Bin-Dhmmis).

This pursuit of internal reform in Islam will not be an isolated event and will have it's own impact on the human civilization. Taking Pakistan (or Bangladesh or Syria or Iraq of Myanmar or Indonesia or Malaysia you pick a place) as a benchmark, such an internal reform in islamic society will mean at least few thousands of non-Muslim deaths and at least few millions of forced migration/conversion etc of non-Muslim population. That is the collateral damage that we must be willing to accept.

So we are looking at few tens millions of deaths (there are >1B Muslims who interact with 5b humans) and at least few hundreds of millions going thru forced migrations/turmoil etc so we can facilitate an internal reform of Islam over 20-200 years with what probability of success - 10% or 50%?

And there comes a Hindu narrow minded fundamentalist that says let's kill a couple of million Muslims, nuke few places and ban Islam for good and convert Muslims into Hinduism and he is called a genocider.

In summary a peacenik is someone who is willing to let Muslims kill tens of millions of non-Muslims and a genocider is someone who proposes killing few hundred Muslims!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Tuvaluan » 25 May 2015 19:26

Bruce Reidel on US - India and PRC- Pak camp in today's indian express.


BRuce riedel reselling the "asia pivot" cr@p in a new bottle.

The likes of GOTUS alumni like Riedel, who first facilitate ISI to keep control of Afghanisthan by ensuring the election of Ghani, and now pretend US and India are the same camp when it comes to Pakistan. Truly effing scum populate the US SD and Brookings Institution. This current regime's point of keeping the US away from any "strategic partnership" nonsense and keeping it transactional is well motivated.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby KLNMurthy » 25 May 2015 19:31

SSridhar wrote:
Rishi wrote:Anyone read Munir Akram's latest in Yaawn?

Yes, what about it ? usual stuff from him. He openly wants more share for the Taliban in governance, wants Mullah Omar to be removed from all terrorism-related lists/charges. After that, I stopped reading the rest. He has given his list of eight points, that scumbag.

What, no compulsory wife/girlfriend thrashing on the list? Maybe there will be a second list.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby CRamS » 25 May 2015 21:24

TuvaluanJi, the Mofo Riedel himself must be laughing his arse off to the bank as he wrote this, as also his ISI buddies. Only losers in lapping up this nonsense are Indians.

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

Postby Peregrine » 25 May 2015 22:08

Maulaner,

Pakistani GDP in Billion Pak Rupees :

F. Y. 2013 : P. R. 22,489.1 : US$ 1 = P. R. 099.1141

F. Y. 2014 : P. R. 25,401.9 : US$ 1 = P. R. 098.2198 – Increase = 13.0%

F. Y. 2015 : P. R. 29,078.0 : US$ 1 = P. R. 101.9223 – Increase = 14.5%

Latest Population : Estimated 189 Million

What gives? (other that that the Population in reality is at least 220 Million)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby member_28020 » 25 May 2015 22:11

shiv wrote:

In India it has become impossible to tell the truth about Pakistan (officially). Secular Indian governments have made it impossible to tell history like it is and Indians would not be interested it Pakistanis had not persisted on their path of hatred. For that, perhaps we need not be "grateful" but at least we can thank our lucky stars.


There is a view among Lutyens elite which is an intuitive linear view. There is however a more historical exponential view which takes all those factors into account which a linear view can NEVER encompass. The 100th monkey effect is the example of this as well. This exponential view essentially is a very Hindu view of things which is very unlike the Abrahamic view of linear space time. MKG being influenced by this linear view always believed in turning the other cheek. The linear view thought still believes they can demonise PM Modi using media when it has already backfired.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Vril » 25 May 2015 22:30

maulaners should watch this video to believe it. :eek:

From discussing the jahriana statement of our def min to reasons why 'foreign' countries are able to utilise bakis against bakis. just stopped short of admitting they are converted hindus and and their roots are Indians and that they should accept this truth , move away from false hood of lootere foreign heroes and reclaim their "culture".



the fun part starts midway some where around 18 minutes.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Tuvaluan » 25 May 2015 22:32

CRamS wrote:he Mofo Riedel himself must be laughing his arse off to the bank as he wrote this, as also his ISI buddies.


Briedel is ex-CIA -- he is just spinning the official GOTUS policy for public consumption. These guys need India to take on China on their behalf, while the arm and empower China against India, simultaneously. The Asia Pivot cr@p is still in play is the overall point from Riedel's article, and US would like to push things in that direction.

China is taking action by making nice with Japan and other neighbours to remove US leverage.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby sanjaykumar » 25 May 2015 23:24

^^ They do carry on about Pakistani culture so. Is this the wife beating, rape-as-punishment, 50 year age difference betwixt spouses, suicide in the service of Sunni Islam, ethnic cleansing, tinpot dictator worshiping, donkey cart driving culture?

Or is it something more subtle?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby jrjrao » 26 May 2015 01:19

Hain jee, please note that the Pakis are number ONE in one more competition onlee:

Pakistan’s elite SSG troops top list of world’s most formidable special units: Report
....
Called the ‘Black Storks’, due to the unique headgear worn, soldiers in the unit have to complete a 36-mile march in just 12 hours and a five-mile run in 20 minutes in full gear. :D

Take that, you kaafirs. Them SSG Paki dudes can do human impossible things onlee:
  1. a 4 minute mile,
  2. in full SSG gear,
  3. and for not 1, not 2, not 3, but for full 5 miles

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby ramana » 26 May 2015 02:37

CRamS wrote:So who is this "scholar" that this vermin Praveen Sawmi does shastaanga namaskaram to?


In a thoughtful paper published this month, the scholar Walter Ladwig III reviewed the state of both countries’ forces ...


He is just a kid. He created a stir with his papers on Cold Start.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby ramana » 26 May 2015 02:43

CRS, two points.

George Perovitch, Bruce Reidel and & Pravin Swamy articles are basically to egg Pakis to commit suicide. Each fellow has his own reasons.
Reidel mamu is like US envoy egging Saddam before Kuwait.

PS is just piss and bile @ NaMo.

Every one sees the retaliation by BSF was very effective and precise. Moreover it was non-escalatory. No nuke flash hungama from youess.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby ArunK » 26 May 2015 02:50

Apoligize in advance if this has already been posted. But you guys have to listen to this.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby shiv » 26 May 2015 05:40

jrjrao wrote:Hain jee, please note that the Pakis are number ONE in one more competition onlee:

Pakistan’s elite SSG troops top list of world’s most formidable special units: Report
....
Called the ‘Black Storks’, due to the unique headgear worn, soldiers in the unit have to complete a 36-mile march in just 12 hours and a five-mile run in 20 minutes in full gear. :D

Take that, you kaafirs. Them SSG Paki dudes can do human impossible things onlee:
  1. a 4 minute mile,
  2. in full SSG gear,
  3. and for not 1, not 2, not 3, but for full 5 miles

At some time after Vietnam and the Grenada invasion, but before Bosnia western war doctrine changed from the old "massed troops and tanks supported by air power" to a smaller more mobile version of war using mainly very highly trained and motivated special ops forces, keeping them mobile with helos and well protected vehicles supported by intense airpower armed with PGMs that could hit targets at standoff distances.

Pakistan has now moved on to exactly this mode of warfare - except that the training is imparted to jihadis and nonstate actors as well as SSG and they are equipped with NVG, secure comm and nav-aids.

If you look back into history - the 1965 war was more of the world war 2 and Korean war type war. 1971 was different in so many ways - it was "pioneering" but it remained largely conventional.

The Kargil war was asymmetric war with trained men occupying the heights.

A future war between India and Pakistan will reveal Pakistanis using the same tactics that we saw the US using in Iraq and Afghanistan. Initial SEAD attacks with air power followed by special forces actions to take out important Indian targets like army bases, air bases radio stations radars etc.

In the meantime the west is moving ahead to UCAVs. That will be Pakistan's next step forward. I assume that India is planning similar things or countermeasures for that.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby shiv » 26 May 2015 06:00

A recent interview of the PAF chief in AFM is revealing in so many ways, especially when taken along with other information we have.

Reading between the lines he admits that integrating JF 17s has not been easy but the PAF has accepted them "They are our destiny"

“The JF-17 keeps us very busy, but it is our
destiny,” Air Chief Marshal Sohail told me at his Air
Headquarters office overlooking the Margalla Hills


But apart from that the PAF speaks of the DB110 pods they have fitted even to C-130s that allow identification of targets 100 km away. Pakis have also got Safire (Litening equivalent) targeting pods along with literally thousands of GBU 10 and 12 bombs and 1500 Paveway kits. The PAF is getting plenty of experience using these weapons in their operation Zubzub-e-assphuck,

Note also the tactics used by jihadis trained in SSG tactics in the way they attacked a Paki naval base, a Paki air base and recent attacks on Indian army camps. Tomorrow SSG men dressed as jihadis (so what's new) could attack and India army, navy or air force assets simply as a demonstration of capability for which India may not be able to go to war.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby SSridhar » 26 May 2015 08:08

ArunK wrote:Apoligize in advance if this has already been posted. But you guys have to listen to this.

ArunK, posted and analyzed in the Deterrence thread.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Kashi » 26 May 2015 08:16

jrjrao wrote:Pakistan’s elite SSG troops top list of world’s most formidable special units: Report


The original "report" (from a publication titled business insider!!!) "ranked" them 8th out of 8 units profiled and tribune made it out as if SSG were on the top!!

First to first hai, chaahe oopar se ho ya neeche se...

Paki reactions are quite amusing.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby pankajs » 26 May 2015 08:47

http://www.newindianexpress.com/world/S ... 833720.ece
Suspected Militant Blows Self up in Pakistan's Karachi
KARACHI: A suspected militant blew himself up during a search operation by the paramilitary Rangers in the congested Orangi town here in Pakistan's southern port city of Karachi.

Karachi-West Deputy Inspector General Feroze Shah told reporters that the suspected militant blew himself up last night at Pareshan chowk in Faqir colony when Rangers encircled the area and surrounded him.

"He first hurled hand grenades at the rangers personnel and than after a brief exchange of fire blew himself up," Shah said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby arun » 26 May 2015 10:00

X posted from the "Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan" thread.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion based sectarian slaughter in Quetta in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan where Sunni Mohammadden group, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (L-e-J) kills co-religionists of the minority Shia Mohammadden sect:

Four gunned down in Quetta sectarian attacks

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby arun » 26 May 2015 10:33

anmol wrote:Protests erupted in Pakistan after a mentally unstable Christian man reportedly was seen burning pages from a holy Koran (Quran). Razarumi Humayun was charged under Section 295-B. He’s being kept at the Gulshan Ravi Police Station.
Christians in Pakistan reported:
http://www.christiansinpakistan.com/pol ... with-295c/
It has been reported that violent clashes erupted in DhoopSari, a densely populated Christian Colony of the Gulshan Ravi area after a middle aged Christian man allegedly burnt the Holy Quran.

Humayun Faisal was beaten up and taken to the local police station where he was charged under the 295c. He is also reported to be mentally unstable.

As the news of the desecration spread a mob of 200-300 people from the neighboring area gathered to protest against the accused. Local Christian residents of the area also reported that the mob wanted to burn down their homes.

Timely intervention by the police saved the lives of many innocent which could have been lost if the mob did not stop protesting.


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X posted from the "Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan" thread.

Green violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan sees Mohammadden mob attacking fellow Abrahamics of the Christist faith in Lahore:

Religious strife: Mob attacks Christian locality in Lahore

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby shiv » 26 May 2015 16:34

For India the bad news about Pakistan is no longer what it used to be. I grew up in the 60s and later expecting a Pakistani attack on India because there was something like parity. That is much less likely now but Pakistan is never going to stop bothering India. They will permanently oppose India and permanently sponsor terrorism and they can be absolutely certain that they can get away with it because India cannot start a war and "defeat Pakistan" simply on the basis of some terrorist attacks - especially if the latter are calibrated to bleed slowly rather than be seen as a coordinated attack on India.

There is no short term solution to Pakistan. Unfortunately as long as there are Indians who think that there can be "trade ties", "sports ties". "people to people ties" etc with Pakistan we will not have a long term solution either because that group of Indians will oppose war and sap India's will to hit Pakistan hard. I think most countries (and "experts") realize this and it is essential for us on BRF to accept this as reality.

The Modi government has the right idea when they say they will not engage Pakistan, but that government has enough opponents within India to sabotage the concept of isolating Pakistan and this actually leaves us open to terrorism forever. Three Indian soldiers were killed yesterday and the report says there are 3-400 trained men waiting to cross the border. These news items should appear on the front pages but we only see statements and articles from complete idiots who cannot understand the reality of the problem we face with Pakistan.

The population of India too is getting adjusted to low grade terror and do not react to killings at the border. Today's Hindu really pissed me off. the headline says 3 soldiers killed but the photo is of a Kashmiri woman crying - of the type the Hindu publishes every day to accuse teh army of human rights excesses.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby rsingh » 26 May 2015 16:53

jrjrao wrote:Hain jee, please note that the Pakis are number ONE in one more competition onlee:

Pakistan’s elite SSG troops top list of world’s most formidable special units: Report
....
Called the ‘Black Storks’, due to the unique headgear worn, soldiers in the unit have to complete a 36-mile march in just 12 hours and a five-mile run in 20 minutes in full gear. :D

Take that, you kaafirs. Them SSG Paki dudes can do human impossible things onlee:
  1. a 4 minute mile,
  2. in full SSG gear,
  3. and for not 1, not 2, not 3, but for full 5 miles


We are talking about downhill ski for 20 min.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby arun » 26 May 2015 17:28

Enjoy the loose canon while she is rolling around crushing the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for its duplicity :wink: .

C. Christine Fair article titled “Honor our Fallen By Getting Real on Pakistan” in War On The Rocks:

Yesterday, Americans celebrated Memorial Day to remember and commemorate the millions of men and women in uniform who sacrificed their lives in the service of their country. For many Americans this is not simply a day to light up the barbecue and quench our thirsts with beer; rather, it is a sacred day. ……………………. American officials at the highest level of government declare their respect for the slain, the wounded, and the families who must manage these varied losses. However, when the government gets back to business on Tuesday, many of these same officials will continue to engage in policies that disgrace the memories of our fallen by aiding and abetting the various countries whose policies are responsible for so many of these deaths over the last thirteen years. One of these countries is Pakistan. And it is well past time for Americans to start paying attention.


U.S. government officials must understand that most soldiers who are slain or injured in Afghanistan have suffered because of Pakistan. American service personnel do not set the policies that result in their demise or permanent disability. Elected politicians may not get re-elected due to their bad decisions, but our soldiers bare the cost of this policy folly with their lives. There is no better place to start righting the wrongs that undergird American policies than Pakistan.


Read it all here:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Dipanker » 26 May 2015 17:29

In addition to the 3 soldiers killed on LOC one more was killed in Kulagam, a total of 4. It seems the media by and large ignores such occurrences. The govt. also has not reacted which I find unsatisfactory.

While we do not need to start an all out war with Pakistan, we certainly should retaliate by brief escalation of the order of couple of weeks in duration at a time, start by bombing some position across the LOC and then escalate, teach them a lesson and then taper down. Rinse and repeat. This is the way to go.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby arun » 26 May 2015 17:34

X Posted from the "Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan" thread.

Dr. Azeem Ibrahim writes an article titled “Grim prospects for Pakistan’s minorities” in Al Arabiya.

Al Arabiya describes Dr. Azeem Ibrahim as “Research Professor at the Strategic Studies Institute, US Army War College and Lecturer in International Security at the University of Chicago”.

From information available elsewhere on the net, Dr. Azeem Ibrahim is also “Strategic Policy Advisor” to I’m the Dim Imran Khan making him likely to have roots in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and paid up RAPE member:

Dance of power

So why is the Pakistani government failing to protect its citizens? The first problem seems to be that the government either is incapable or maybe even uninterested in acknowledging that there is a problem. Its political priorities would not be served by worrying too much about minorities, in any case. In fact it might be straight up politically problematic to stand up too firmly for minorities and risk open conflict on the issue with Sunni hardliners who are one of two main constituencies in the country – the other being the military-intelligence complex.

The second problem is that even when shocking massacres of civilians happen, it is much more convenient for everyone involved to deflect any responsibility away from any internal, Pakistani issues with extremism and terrorism, and instead point the finger at the “malign influence” of foreign powers – their favorite bogey man is India’s intelligence agency, RAW (Research and Analysis Wing). It took less than 24 hours for Pakistan’s Foreign Secretary some army chiefs and local police chiefs to make a series of public statements which taken together heavily imply that RAW is behind the attack, rather than indigenous home-grown terrorism.

Military-intelligence complex

In this understanding of events, the interests of the military-intelligence complex and those of the Sunni hardliners are aligned against foreign meddling in Pakistan’s internal affairs, and this justifies the amount of support that the Pakistani intelligence services, and indeed the army, keep providing to various radical Islamist groups to fight “foreign influence” – even when those very same groups have had extensive histories of anti-state activities in the past.

But so long as the victims of this perverse dance of power between the two main entrenched power-structures within the Pakistani state are minorities and the “democratically elected” leaders do not have to care, all is well. Some kind of uneasy balance between the two competing forces can be maintained, and tensions leading to outbursts of violence can be deflected outwards, towards groups that neither cares about: Pakistan’s minorities, or women, Indians (e.g. in the Mumbai attacks), Afghanis, Western troops or mercenaries still in the region and so on. And so long as this state of affairs continues, it will be the most vulnerable that will continue to suffer. Pakistan’s minorities need to brace themselves. Worse is still to come.


From Here:

Grim prospects for Pakistan’s minorities

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby arun » 26 May 2015 17:53

Following the recent revelation by the New York Times that self-styled “Worlds Leading IT Company” Axact was running a degree certificate granting scam, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan finds a US based pressititute to plug the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s IT, not of the usual Islamic Terrorism type but rather of the Information Technology type, expertise:

Can young entrepreneurs transform Pakistan into a high-tech powerhouse?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby hnair » 26 May 2015 18:15

arun wrote:Following the recent revelation by the New York Times that self-styled “Worlds Leading IT Company” Axact was running a degree certificate granting scam, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan finds a US based pressititute to plug the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s IT, not of the usual Islamic Terrorism type but rather of the Information Technology type, expertise:

Can young entrepreneurs transform Pakistan into a high-tech powerhouse?


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Needs to be anal-yzed

UMAIR AZIZ: We don’t want to be out of the race by advertising that we’re based in Pakistan. There’s a very negative stigma associated with the country.

FRED DE SAM LAZARO: So, prospective customers see nothing on Creative Chaos’ Web site about its location. Technically, it’s headquartered in San Francisco. They soon learn that almost all workers are in Pakistan. Once hired, Aziz says, his company has never been removed from a job.

UMAIR AZIZ: People in the U.S. really don’t know that there’s a world outside of Talibans, and there’s a world outside of, you know, everything that they hear on CNN and BBC all the time.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby CRamS » 26 May 2015 19:12

And mind you, the same WKK/coward/Hindu-hating constituency in India that would like nothing better than India give the valley to TSP. Thats why they don't express then kind of anger, revulsion one expects when Indian soldiers are killed. And note they do express sympathy, none specialize in this more than Bakara/Swami. They will show tragedies of soldiers killed, alongside wailing Kashmiri Muslims, but very little to educate Indian public on TSP's gameplan, and of course pretty brazen in advocating p!ss process and the like to avoid such tragedies. One can almost sense as though ISI scripted the narrative.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Comer » 26 May 2015 21:03

Modi has rattled the bakis much methinks. There is this paki writing in Yindian newspaper since paki media got clean BoL-ed

http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.c ... ely-right/

She tries to be funny in the start and probably couldn't sustain it. piskologists can note down what is the paki psyche is jealous of inspite of the superficially phunny stuff. Read it in full and enjoy the rustling of the jimmies!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby sudhan » 26 May 2015 21:14

Manohar Parrikar has asserted that he will go to "any extent" to protect India

The def. minister has come out swinging again! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :twisted:

I expect a hurriedly convened crore kammandu conference in pindi for the traditional Shalwar Cr@ppin ceremony..

Finally a clear headed Def min.. :)


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