Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif on Wednesday said that Pakistan and Kashmir are inseparable, and that Kashmir is "an unfinished agenda of partition".
The statement was tweeted by Director General Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj-Gen Asim Bajwa.
Addressing a conference at the National Defense University, the army chief said, "While we wish for peace and stability in region, we want Kashmir's just resolution in the light of United Nations resolutions and as per aspirations of the Kashmiri people to bring lasting peace in region."
'Won't allow any country to use proxies'
General Raheel Sharif further said that contours of future wars are fast changing.
He said, "While our enemies supporting terrorism to stoke sub-conventional conflicts and destabilise our country, we are fully determined, capable of defeating nefarious designs."
"Pakistan is opposed to the use proxies against other countries and won't allow any country to use proxies versus Pakistan ," he further said.
The army chief's statement follows a flurry of similar assertions that India is involved in stoking terrorism in Pakistan. In recent weeks, the military and civilian leadership have expressed serious concerns of India's "nefarious designs", with top government officials saying India is attempting to sabotage Pakistan's historic $46 billion agreement with China.
The Pakistan Army last month asserted that Indian spy agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) is involved in terrorism in Pakistan.
Earlier on Tuesday, Federal Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar had also referred to Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar’s statement that terrorists had to be neutralised only through terrorists and termed it an open admission that the neighbour was pursuing the policy of state-sponsored terrorism.
“Coupled with the recent statement of the defence minister of India which blatantly and unashamedly accepted responsibility for terrorism in Pakistan, this recent statement of intent by the Indian prime minister clearly shows India’s intentions not only to destabilise and hegemonise Pakistan but also to use any means at its disposal to keep Pakistan backward and underdeveloped,” he said.
The interior minister said the statement should serve as an eye-opener for all those world powers which never tired praising India for its democratic credentials. “Let the Indian leadership hear loud and clear that Pakistan’s quest for peace must not be misconstrued for weakness,” he added.
A May 5 conference chaired by Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif at General Headquarters "took serious notice of RAW’s involvement in whipping up terrorism in Pakistan".
RAW has quite often been blamed by law-enforcement agencies for being involved in subversive activities in Pakistan, but it’s unusual for a corps commanders’ conference to directly point fingers at the hostile intelligence outfit.
Earlier this month, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry said RAW is involved in various terrorist activities across Pakistan, adding that the matter had been taken up "a number of times" at the highest level with India through diplomatic channels.
The government in January decided to take a tougher approach towards India and forcefully raise its concerns over alleged Indian involvement in acts of terrorism in Pakistan.
Successive governments in Pakistan always pointed to the Indian hand in terrorism, more particularly in Balochistan and tribal areas, but did not disclose specific information about the alleged role. That, a senior national security official said, would not be the case any more.
India's description of GB elections 'interference in Pakistan's internal affairs': FO
Pakistan rejected remarks by Indian Ministry of External Affairs Spokesperson Vikas Swarup in which he claimed that the entire state of Jammu & Kashmir — including the regions of Gilgit and Baltistan — are an integral part of India.
FO spokesperson Qazi Khalilullah reminded that Kashmir is an internationally recognised dispute — pending final settlement through a free and impartial plebiscite under the UN auspices — as enshrined in numerous UN resolutions.
"Under these resolutions, no material change is allowed, yet India, in complete violation of these resolutions, calls it a state of the union."
He said that India's description of the elections being held in Gilgit-Baltistan on June 8 “as an attempt by Pakistan to camouflage its forcible and illegal occupation of the regions,” is interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan.
The spokesperson said that it is actually India which is unlawfully occupying the territories of Jammu and Kashmir.
To maintain its illegal hold on that disputed territory, he said, India has deployed over 700,000 of its forces and has atrociously tried to suppress majority voice of Kashmiri Muslims and hold sham elections at gun-point.
He said that the dispute stems from India’s constant refusal to implement the relevant Security Council Resolutions which would pave way for a just solution of the Kashmir issue.
He asserted that India’s position on Kashmir is one of utter disregard to the UN resolutions, a consistent pattern of forceful occupation and a denial of the inalienable right of self-determination to the people of Jammu and Kashmir.
Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015
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Pakistan & Kashmir are inseparable: Gen. Raheel Sharif - Dawn
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
>>Pakistan rejected remarks by Indian Ministry of External Affairs Spokesperson Vikas Swarup in which he claimed that the entire state of Jammu & Kashmir — including the regions of Gilgit and Baltistan — are an integral part of India.
Kudos to the Modi led GOI for sticking it where it matters
Kudos to the Modi led GOI for sticking it where it matters
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
ISIS bans pigeon breeding - punishable by public flogging - because seeing birds' genitals overhead offends Islam
Islamic extremists in Syria and Iraq have banned citizens breeding pigeons
Claim the sight of uncovered pigeons flying overhead is offensive to God
Also say that raising the birds wastes time that should be spent praying
Those who break the rules will face flogging, fines and even imprisonment
Earlier this year ISIS executed three boys they found breeding pigeons
Read more: Daily Mail
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan must now be told by India that India is doing the Islamic Republic a great favour by Mohammadden standards by the act of hanging on to this pigeon:
India Detains Pigeon Over Spying Fears
Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
arun Ji :arun wrote:Read more: Daily MailISIS bans pigeon breeding - punishable by public flogging - because seeing birds' genitals overhead offends Islam
Islamic extremists in Syria and Iraq have banned citizens breeding pigeons
Claim the sight of uncovered pigeons flying overhead is offensive to God
Also say that raising the birds wastes time that should be spent praying
Those who break the rules will face flogging, fines and even imprisonment
Earlier this year ISIS executed three boys they found breeding pigeons
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan must now be told by India that India is doing the Islamic Republic a great favour by Mohammadden standards by the act of hanging on to this pigeon:
India Detains Pigeon Over Spying Fears
What about the genitals of other birds and animals? Are they not offensive to Allah?
Cheers
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
KSE world's best performing frontier stock market: report - And This Just In - Pakistan Has Now Been Declared To Be Terrorism Free !
Comment: Lots of meaningless buzz words ( e.g. frontier stock market, macroeconomic sweet point ) are included in this over-hyped and 'feel good' farticle !
Comment: Lots of meaningless buzz words ( e.g. frontier stock market, macroeconomic sweet point ) are included in this over-hyped and 'feel good' farticle !
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Frontier Market is politically correct finance lingo for high-risk (& therefore supposedly high-reward) markets that normal conservative institutional investors wouldn't touch with a bargepole.
MSCI classifies the following countries as Frontier Markets:
Argentina
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bulgaria
Croatia
Estonia
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kuwait
Lebanon
Lithuania
Mauritius
Morocco
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Romania
Serbia
Slovenia
Sri Lanka
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Ukraine
Vietnam
Not sure why Mongolia is not included. It was the top performing Frontier a couple of years back...
MSCI classifies the following countries as Frontier Markets:
Argentina
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bulgaria
Croatia
Estonia
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kuwait
Lebanon
Lithuania
Mauritius
Morocco
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Romania
Serbia
Slovenia
Sri Lanka
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Ukraine
Vietnam
Not sure why Mongolia is not included. It was the top performing Frontier a couple of years back...
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Arjunji: Thanks for your clarification in this matter. re : 'frontier markets'. So that explains the (Pakis) high risk vs high rewards correlation due to the performance of their IT (the 'other' kind ) sector.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
'Deep State' Shenanigans
Hearing a 19-year-old suo motu case, the top court had sought a reply from federal government regarding the law under which phone calls are tapped by intelligence agencies. It directed Bhatti to furnish a concise statement in this regard within three weeks.
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From that article: Inflation in Bakistan fell from 10% in 2012 to 1% now!!
Did the demand growth 'die' out? Because I see no way that the supply side problems to ease that fast.
Did the demand growth 'die' out? Because I see no way that the supply side problems to ease that fast.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Bakistan is the place for explosive growth! It is like the frontier wild west.Falijee wrote:KSE world's best performing frontier stock market: report - And This Just In - Pakistan Has Now Been Declared To Be Terrorism Free !
Comment: Lots of meaningless buzz words ( e.g. frontier stock market, macroeconomic sweet point ) are included in this over-hyped and 'feel good' farticle !
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Growth-e-exblosiveRCase wrote:Bakistan is the place for explosive growth! It is like the frontier wild west.Falijee wrote:KSE world's best performing frontier stock market: report - And This Just In - Pakistan Has Now Been Declared To Be Terrorism Free !
Comment: Lots of meaningless buzz words ( e.g. frontier stock market, macroeconomic sweet point ) are included in this over-hyped and 'feel good' farticle !
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/commen ... 89080.html
NATIONAL progress is a universal aspiration but the root causes of why it eludes most countries remain a near-universal puzzle. People usually focus on immediate causes. Imagine a typically inquisitive child pestering her mother before sleeping about why only some countries succeed. The patient mother explains that progress comes from good governance. But the inquisitive child persists: but, mother, why do only some countries have good governance; is it luck? The mother gently explains that good leaders provide good governance.
Unsatisfied still, the child asks: but, mother, is it luck that some countries have good leaders, and where do they come from? Slightly exasperated and also clueless by now, having exhausted the limits of usual layperson knowledge about this topic, many mothers may point towards the heavens or Rawalpindi. Forget clueless parents, it took experts decades to conclude that strong political institutions produce good leaders. The persistent child asks the experts another question immediately: Why do only some countries have strong institutions? Experts are gradually concluding that strong institutions emerge in egalitarian societies, ie, those exhibiting lower inequities in access to land, capital, education, etc and high ethnic homogeneity or harmony. This causality chain is easily explainable. In inegalitarian societies, elites from powerful ethnicities will monopolise political institutions. Their representative leaders will provide self-serving governance. This will impede broader progress, as Pakistanis have seen for decades.
The inquisitive child now asks why only some societies are egalitarian. This reflects the different policies that national rulers have followed over decades and centuries. Land inequities at independence existed in Pakistan because of Mughal and British policies but not in Korea due to Japanese land reforms. Having traversed the long causal chain between good governance and societal egalitarianism, we finally discover that there is a vicious circular relationship between societal inegalitarianism and bad governance which represents the root cause of national stagnation. Societal inegalitarianism produces malgovernance, which further entrenches inegalitarianism. Countries trapped in this strong, vicious, circular relationship stagnate. Not just inquisitive children, but even adults would ask how the vicious circle can be broken.
Three sets of countries have broken it since 1750, leading to spectacular progress there. Europe did so through scientific discoveries and colonialism and East Asia through hard work and generous American aid given in Cold War politics. Gulf emirates achieved partial progress through fortuitous oil discoveries by outsiders. These countries also possess high ethnic homogeneity and long national histories. Thus, the secret recipes of these countries are unfortunately not replicable in Pakistan, with its fractured society, short history, seesaw American relations and lack of abundant oil and colonies (at least after 1971). Pakistan must study the more sedate and gradual progress achieved by similar countries like Indonesia, India and Brazil, mostly under democracy. In fact, dictatorship grievously harmed Brazil and Indonesia, as it has Pakistan. Social mobilisation by civil society groups, some of which later joined politics, was critical. Foreign investments and remittances have played important roles too by increasing incomes of the common man. The combination of social mobilisation and foreign flows initially reduced societal inegalitarianism marginally, which resulted in marginal governance improvements under democracy, which further reduced inegalitarianism gradually. Thus, the vicious circle between inegalitarianism and bad governance is converting at snail's pace into a virtuous circle between increasing egalitarianism and improving governance. This incremental, iterative process represents Pakistan's best-case scenario. This glacial and unspectacular prospective path for Pakistan may leave dumbfounded people looking for naïve and tired short-cut recipes like “ruthless accountability for two years to debar corrupt politicians, followed by free elections after election reforms under a techno-military government”. Even if all current legislators are debarred without cause, the new cohort of politicians emerging from free elections will likely be little better. Thus, Pakistan's stagnation is fundamentally not due to chance individual failings of current politicians but societal structures which endlessly produce “bad” leaders, whether elected or unelected.
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Ramzan freebies for lucky jailbuddies - Only in Pakistan
Continuing Saga of A jailed Paki Super Model
Continuing Saga of A jailed Paki Super Model
Just yesterday Ayyan submitted an application to Adiala Jail authorities, requesting that she be allowed to bear the expense of Iftar and Sehri for the whole month of Ramazan for all the prisoners and jail staff.
Jail authorities have started to calculate the estimated expense, which is probably going to be pretty steep. Ayyan said she would hand the money over once the authorities are done with budget estimation. Ayyan's application has been sent to Home Secretary for approval, jail authorities said.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
interesting that if you use a Tor Browser to view that paki link about Ayyan in Dawn. Wonder what kind of paki scam this is.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
A treat for Pakistan. A step in realizing the Dream of Becoming SandiArabian .
Baghliar Dam
Baghliar Dam
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
I wonder why English language writers in Pakistan keep repeating this trash - because they always miss the elephant in the room, Islam.A_Gupta wrote:http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/commen ... 89080.html
NATIONAL progress is a universal aspiration but the root causes of why it eludes most countries remain a near-universal puzzle. People usually focus on immediate causes. Imagine a typically inquisitive child pestering her mother before sleeping about why only some countries succeed. The patient mother explains that progress comes from good governance. But the inquisitive child persists: but, mother, why do only some countries have good governance; is it luck? The mother gently explains that good leaders provide good governance.
Unsatisfied still, the child asks: but, mother, is it luck that some countries have good leaders, and where do they come from? Slightly exasperated and also clueless by now, having exhausted the limits of usual layperson knowledge about this topic, many mothers may point towards the heavens or Rawalpindi. Forget clueless parents, it took experts decades to conclude that strong political institutions produce good leaders. The persistent child asks the experts another question immediately: Why do only some countries have strong institutions? Experts are gradually concluding that strong institutions emerge in egalitarian societies, ie, those exhibiting lower inequities in access to land, capital, education, etc and high ethnic homogeneity or harmony. This causality chain is easily explainable. In inegalitarian societies, elites from powerful ethnicities will monopolise political institutions. Their representative leaders will provide self-serving governance. This will impede broader progress, as Pakistanis have seen for decades.
The inquisitive child now asks why only some societies are egalitarian. This reflects the different policies that national rulers have followed over decades and centuries. Land inequities at independence existed in Pakistan because of Mughal and British policies but not in Korea due to Japanese land reforms. Having traversed the long causal chain between good governance and societal egalitarianism, we finally discover that there is a vicious circular relationship between societal inegalitarianism and bad governance which represents the root cause of national stagnation. Societal inegalitarianism produces malgovernance, which further entrenches inegalitarianism. Countries trapped in this strong, vicious, circular relationship stagnate. Not just inquisitive children, but even adults would ask how the vicious circle can be broken.
Three sets of countries have broken it since 1750, leading to spectacular progress there. Europe did so through scientific discoveries and colonialism and East Asia through hard work and generous American aid given in Cold War politics. Gulf emirates achieved partial progress through fortuitous oil discoveries by outsiders. These countries also possess high ethnic homogeneity and long national histories. Thus, the secret recipes of these countries are unfortunately not replicable in Pakistan, with its fractured society, short history, seesaw American relations and lack of abundant oil and colonies (at least after 1971). Pakistan must study the more sedate and gradual progress achieved by similar countries like Indonesia, India and Brazil, mostly under democracy. In fact, dictatorship grievously harmed Brazil and Indonesia, as it has Pakistan. Social mobilisation by civil society groups, some of which later joined politics, was critical. Foreign investments and remittances have played important roles too by increasing incomes of the common man. The combination of social mobilisation and foreign flows initially reduced societal inegalitarianism marginally, which resulted in marginal governance improvements under democracy, which further reduced inegalitarianism gradually. Thus, the vicious circle between inegalitarianism and bad governance is converting at snail's pace into a virtuous circle between increasing egalitarianism and improving governance. This incremental, iterative process represents Pakistan's best-case scenario. This glacial and unspectacular prospective path for Pakistan may leave dumbfounded people looking for naïve and tired short-cut recipes like “ruthless accountability for two years to debar corrupt politicians, followed by free elections after election reforms under a techno-military government”. Even if all current legislators are debarred without cause, the new cohort of politicians emerging from free elections will likely be little better. Thus, Pakistan's stagnation is fundamentally not due to chance individual failings of current politicians but societal structures which endlessly produce “bad” leaders, whether elected or unelected.
a. If Islam can be said to dictate anything you can't argue
b. If you argue you can be killed
Once we get that straight let us look at the same article:
1. Governance: Everything is there in the Quran. If it is not in the Quran it cannot be good governance. Any form of taxation not mentioned in the Quran is unislamic. If some people are poor, it is because Allah willed it that way.
2. Egalitarian societies: Islamic societies are egalitarian. In contrast Hindus treat other Hindus like slaves and in the west minorities and women are treated very badly. This is not true in the case of Pakistan, where egalitarianism has existed for 1400 years ever since Mohd Ghauri raped the first woman in Sindh.
Pakistan has no problems whatsoever. Even prisoners are so kind to each other - I read that a lady prisoner is going to pay for all Ramzan expenses for all prisoners. How can any society be better than Pakistani society? The child should be told to shut up and go to sleep.
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As a Andhra, we are honored.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
The paki-loving tools in the Congress party are SHOCKED, I tell you. I am so shocked that they are so shocked about pakistan, after repeating " a strong and stable pakistan is in India's interest" for a decade while in charge of India. Glad to see there is a unanimous response to the Raheel Bulshid's nonsense about Pakistan being unresolved partition issue...pakis attacked Indian territory and refused to go back...so they should make like a tree and leave at some point, back to their islamic fortress sh!tland.Congress too said that the statement by Pakistan on Kashmir is shocking. "The statement by Pakistan Army Chief is indeed shocking. I think PM Narendra Modi and his government must take note of such provocative statements that are made by Pakistan on a daily basis interfering with the internal affairs of India. It is arising on account of there being no policy of Modi government to handle and tackle Pakistan.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
I agree with that Paki that Cashmere is unresolved business. India need to recapture PoK+NA to solve this problem.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
You bleddy jealous bania.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
We should catch SRK or AK and put them in J&K Jail. May be he would order free Iftar and Sehri for all.Falijee wrote:Ramzan freebies for lucky jailbuddies - Only in Pakistan
Continuing Saga of A jailed Paki Super Model
Just yesterday Ayyan submitted an application to Adiala Jail authorities, requesting that she be allowed to bear the expense of Iftar and Sehri for the whole month of Ramazan for all the prisoners and jail staff.
Jail authorities have started to calculate the estimated expense, which is probably going to be pretty steep. Ayyan said she would hand the money over once the authorities are done with budget estimation. Ayyan's application has been sent to Home Secretary for approval, jail authorities said.
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WikiLeaks releases secret TISA docs: The more evil sibling of TTIP and TPP
byGlyn Moody(UK)-Jun 4, 2015 12:07am IST
The new agreement that would hamstring governments and citizens even further.
WikiLeaks
WikiLeaks has released 17 secret documents from the negotiations of the global Trade in Services Agreement (TISA), which have been taking place behind closed doors, largely unnoticed, since 2013. The main participants are the United States, the European Union, and 23 other countries including Turkey, Mexico, Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Taiwan and Israel, which together comprise two-thirds of global GDP.
Significantly, all the BRICS countries—Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa—are absent, and are therefore unable to provide their perspective and input for what is essentially a deal designed by Western nations, for the benefit of Western corporations. According to the European Commission's dedicated page: "TiSA aims at opening up markets and improving rules in areas such as licensing, financial services, telecoms, e-commerce, maritime transport, and professionals moving abroad temporarily to provide services."
TISA's focus on services complements the two other global trade agreements currently being negotiated in secret: the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), and the corresponding deal for the Pacific region, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which deal with goods and investments. Like both TTIP and TPP, one of the central aims of TISA is to remove "barriers" to trade in services, and to impose a regulatory ratchet on participating nations. In the case of TISA, the ratchet ensures that services are deregulated and opened up to private companies around the world, and that once privatised, they cannot be re-nationalised.
The 17 documents released today include drafts and annexes on issues such as air traffic, maritime transport, professional services, e-commerce, delivery services, transparency, and domestic regulation, as well as several documents on the positions of negotiating parties. The annexe on e-commerce is likely to be of particular interest to Ars readers, since, if adopted, it would have a major impact on several extremely sensitive areas in the digital realm.
Thou shalt not...
For example, the question of data flows—specifically the flow of European citizens' personal data to the US—is at the heart of disputes over the EU's proposed Data Retention rules, the Safe Harbour agreement, and TTIP. Here's what Article 2.1 of TISA's e-commerce annexe would impose upon its signatories: "No Party may prevent a service supplier of another Party from transferring, [accessing, processing or storing] information, including personal information, within or outside the Party’s territory, where such activity is carried out in connection with the conduct of the service supplier’s business."
What that means in practice, is that the EU would be forbidden from requiring that US companies like Google or Facebook keep the personal data of European citizens within the EU—one of the ideas currently being floated in Germany. Article 9.1 imposes a more general ban on requiring companies to locate some of their computing facilities in a territory: "No Party may require a service supplier, as a condition for supplying a service or investing in its territory, to: (a) use computing facilities located in the Party’s territory."
Article 6 of the leaked text seems to ban any country from using free software mandates: "No Party may require the transfer of, or access to, source code of software owned by a person of another Party, as a condition of providing services related to such software in its territory." The text goes on to specify that this only applies to "mass-market software," and does not apply to software used for critical infrastructure. It would still prevent a European government from specifying that its civil servants should use only open-source code for word processing—a sensible requirement given what we know about the deployment of backdoors in commercial software by the NSA and GCHQ.
Without WikiLeaks, the presence of these far-reaching proposals would not have been revealed until after the agreement had been finalised—at which point, nothing could be done about them, since the text would be fixed. With the publication of these documents, civil society has an opportunity to find out what is being discussed behind those closed doors, and to analyse and discuss the implications. Whether the negotiators will take account of what ordinary people think is another matter.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Jhujhar saheb, can you please x-post that fantastic picture in the IWT thread as well? TIA.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Every Pakistani now owes over Rs101,338 in debt
Comment: Is not interest haram, under the Sharia based system currently prevailing in Pakhastan ?
This was the crux of a discussion held at a seminar jointly organised by the Institute for Social and Economic Justice (ISEJ) and the Islamic Relief Pakistan under the campaign ‘Breaking the Chains of Debt’, at Forman Christian College.
The government must stop reckless international borrowing and minimise reliance on foreign debt in the future and take measures to get the illegitimate loans cancelled, he said.
Comment: Is not interest haram, under the Sharia based system currently prevailing in Pakhastan ?
Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015
Economic growth this year was 4.2 percent: Economic Survey 2014-15
Comparisons : GDP mp : 2012-2013 : PR 23,656.295 Billion, 2013-2014 : PR 26,775.661 Billion
GDP Increase 13.2%, Per Capita Income Increase from US$ 1,340 to US$ 1,386 i.e. 3.4%
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Wow! Cwapistani Per Capita Income increases over 9% but GDP increase is only 4.2%ISLAMABAD: The economic growth this year for Pakistan was 4.2 percent while the target was 5.1 percent, according to a copy of the Economic Survey for 2014-15 received by Geo News on Thursday.
Comparisons : GDP mp : 2012-2013 : PR 23,656.295 Billion, 2013-2014 : PR 26,775.661 Billion
GDP Increase 13.2%, Per Capita Income Increase from US$ 1,340 to US$ 1,386 i.e. 3.4%
Cheers
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Ayesha Siddiqa:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/897150/not-a-new-trend/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/897150/not-a-new-trend/
The capture and confession of an IBA graduate to several acts of terrorism, including the Safoora chowk massacre and Sabeen Mahmud’s murder resulted in the publication of opinion pieces with most viewing these educated terrorists as heralding a new chapter in the history of terrorism in Pakistan. Notwithstanding that the confession reminded me of a joke about a Pakistani police constable forcing a donkey to confess to being Queen Elizabeth’s lost dog, I also realised that people don’t read, else how could they miss existing reports on radicalisation amongst the educated middle and upper-middle class? Reports were published and papers written that mentioned socioeconomically upscale jihadis. In a country like Pakistan, which rates very low in terms of book publication and reading, why am I not surprised to read such analyses?
The evidence of educated boys from the middle class randomly joining militancy is not a new phenomenon. It has happened before. For instance, the mastermind of the Parade Lane attack of 2009 was a student at the International Islamic University. One of the key people of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in Islamabad is a student at the National Defense University. In 2012, an NED engineering graduate and leader of the Islami Jamiat-e-Tulaba (IJT) was killed in a drone attack in North Waziristan. During Pervez Musharraf’s rule, a federal secretary’s son had also gone for jihad. Not to forget the two nuclear scientists who went to Afghanistan to meet Osama bin Laden.
One particular analysis suggested these educated boys denoted a new trend since they were not connected with any militant organisation but were driven towards terror for ideological reasons. The writer probably forgot that Omar Sheikh was connected with both al Qaeda and the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM). The son of a PAF air marshal, Faisal Shahzad also had links with militant groups. In case we forget, David Headley worked for and trained with the LeT in order to do his bit in the Mumbai attacks. Despite that, one particular opinion piece tried to suggest that the new educated terrorists were courtesy the Jundullah. The fact is that our urban centres, especially Karachi, have no dearth of jihadi propaganda and inspiration. Not too long ago, civil society activists remembering Salmaan Taseer were attacked by educated Barelvi militant youth.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Shiv, I understand your sarcasm. Egalitarian Islamic society merely means that the believers can eat together, unlike Hindus of bygone generations. There is nothing in Islam that militates against amirs, sultanates or feudalism.shiv wrote: I wonder why English language writers in Pakistan keep repeating this trash - because they always miss the elephant in the room, Islam.
a. If Islam can be said to dictate anything you can't argue
b. If you argue you can be killed
Once we get that straight let us look at the same article:
1. Governance: Everything is there in the Quran. If it is not in the Quran it cannot be good governance. Any form of taxation not mentioned in the Quran is unislamic. If some people are poor, it is because Allah willed it that way.
2. Egalitarian societies: Islamic societies are egalitarian. In contrast Hindus treat other Hindus like slaves and in the west minorities and women are treated very badly. This is not true in the case of Pakistan, where egalitarianism has existed for 1400 years ever since Mohd Ghauri raped the first woman in Sindh.
Pakistan has no problems whatsoever. Even prisoners are so kind to each other - I read that a lady prisoner is going to pay for all Ramzan expenses for all prisoners. How can any society be better than Pakistani society? The child should be told to shut up and go to sleep.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
The question to me is why this inherent bigotry against non-believers ins Islam is described as egalitarian, when it is no such thing. Egalitarian means aiming for equal wealth, status, etc., for all people according to the dictionary.
If Islam is okay with feudalism, then it is by definition not egalitarian, and yet this fiction is peddled that Islam is egalitarian and has no "caste" -- feudalism that divides the populace into greater and lesser groups is just the same as in another form of caste-based division of society that these same islamic numbskulls in Pakistan and West Asia keep screaming about.
Unless of course, one thinks there is special Islamic egalitarianism like Islamic Banking, and Islamic butt-washing, which is probably the intent of these British mofos who started peddling all this garbage, that has now been duly coopted by the Americans and the rest of the "west". Most probably because Christianity is a mirror image of this kind of Bigotry when it comes to "christian egalitarianism".
If Islam is okay with feudalism, then it is by definition not egalitarian, and yet this fiction is peddled that Islam is egalitarian and has no "caste" -- feudalism that divides the populace into greater and lesser groups is just the same as in another form of caste-based division of society that these same islamic numbskulls in Pakistan and West Asia keep screaming about.
Unless of course, one thinks there is special Islamic egalitarianism like Islamic Banking, and Islamic butt-washing, which is probably the intent of these British mofos who started peddling all this garbage, that has now been duly coopted by the Americans and the rest of the "west". Most probably because Christianity is a mirror image of this kind of Bigotry when it comes to "christian egalitarianism".
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Yeah people of all classes eat together, off the same plate in public functions - but men and women don't eat together in public.A_Gupta wrote: Egalitarian Islamic society merely means that the believers can eat together, unlike Hindus of bygone generations. There is nothing in Islam that militates against amirs, sultanates or feudalism.
The interesting part to me is psychological - in that groups of people are convinced and convince themselves that something positive about their group is true. Outside of Islam I have seen Brits proudly saying that they like dogs more than any other society - which is not true. I have seen Americans openly bragging that some local structure is the world's biggest blabla when it actually is not true. These are little lies that raise one's self esteem. Like saying you are 5 foot 11 when you are really 5 foot 9. Islam does this constantly "We are peace. We are egalitarian. We are good to women. We are fastest growing etc"
What always struck me (although this is changing now) is that the self esteem has been battered out of Indians in general and Hindus in particular.They (we) never say that we are the best in anything and cheerfully claim that we are the worst. This is not just about BRF (which is very positive), but Indians in general.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Pakis Again Play Broken Record At Washington Meet
Comment: Still striving for equal / equal status !ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan hasbegged the United States access to peaceful nuclear technology during talks held in Washington under the Pak-US Strategic Dialogue.sought from
Comment: ISIS offer of purchase of Pak weapons currently under consideration !“Pakistan stressed the need for access to peaceful nuclear technology as a socioeconomic imperative,” the statement said. But it did not say whether the American side gave any positive response to Pakistan’s request. In the past, Washington turned down such demands from Islamabad citing concerns over the security of the country’s nuclear arsenal.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Benazir Shah @Benazir_Shah 32m32 minutes ago
Pakistanis with American citizenship are also complaining about not getting visas to India: FO Sec Aizaz Chaudhry at the Atlantic Council
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Falijee, The meet was not about begging but US affirmation that Paki nukes are still safe. That means US proximate security is still there and assurance that stuff wont fall into ISIS hands.
Now think back about Indian fear of ISIS acquiring Paki nukes which was reported a few days back.
Now think back about Indian fear of ISIS acquiring Paki nukes which was reported a few days back.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Paul wrote:Benazir Shah @Benazir_Shah 32m32 minutes ago
Pakistanis with American citizenship are also complaining about not getting visas to India: FO Sec Aizaz Chaudhry at the Atlantic Council
Wasn't David Coleman Headley urf Daud Gilani of that genre?
Paki with American citizenship and even name change.
Recced Mumbai for ISI led LeT 26/11 terrorist attack.
He even suggested new targets that were not even on the plan.
Which idiot country will give visas with that track record?
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Vultures too each together and their pace & way of finishing off the food is very similar to Paki attacking the food in parties etc. In context of war booty and rape rights by their religion, i will call it not Egalitarian but intrinsic vulturistic culture suffering from some kind of Voyeuristic disorder defect.A_Gupta wrote:shiv wrote:
Shiv, I understand your sarcasm. Egalitarian Islamic society merely means that the believers can eat together, unlike Hindus of bygone generations. There is nothing in Islam that militates against amirs, sultanates or feudalism.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Ramanaji, The phrase "nook nood" comes to mind. The fact that the US seems entirely too sanguine about these nukes falling to the hands of ISIS from the Pakis, suggests that they are pretty certain that the likelyhood of that event is zero from the american POV. This is the boogie man required by the US to do their offshore balancing of India and Pakistan.Ramana wrote: Now think back about Indian fear of ISIS acquiring Paki nukes which was reported a few days back.
Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
Ramanaji - Thanks for the clarification . So, if I read correctly, following happens:
A. Once so often, Munna is summoned by Uncle.
B. Munna has to reassure Uncle of the safety of the Family Jewels.
C. Uncle applies his old Adage ( courtesy cowboy Reagan ) : "Trust but Verify"
D. If Uncle is happy , Aid Spigot is turned on.
E. Request for "access to Pissfull nuclear technology" is a hogwash to preserve their H&D
A. Once so often, Munna is summoned by Uncle.
B. Munna has to reassure Uncle of the safety of the Family Jewels.
C. Uncle applies his old Adage ( courtesy cowboy Reagan ) : "Trust but Verify"
D. If Uncle is happy , Aid Spigot is turned on.
E. Request for "access to Pissfull nuclear technology" is a hogwash to preserve their H&D
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22
PAKISTAN ECONOMIC SURVEY 2014-15
Statistical Appendices :
Growth and Development - Table 1.5 - Per Capita Income US$ 1,512.4! (I kid you not)
Cheers
Statistical Appendices :
Growth and Development - Table 1.5 - Per Capita Income US$ 1,512.4! (I kid you not)
Cheers