Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 17 Jun 2015 23:06

Jahil HamIED has displayed his Pakistaniyat trait of tactical brilliance! Going to Soothi Barbaria and tweeting soothia comments against the kingdom. Wasn't he the guy that hated democracy and wanted a Caliphate (Khilafa) for the muslim ummah?

Recently a blogger was flogged in Soothi Barbaria for his blogs that were critical of KSA. It will be fun to watch lal topee Jahil HamIED receive true Islamic shariah justice (Soothi Barbaria style). This must all be a kanspiracy of RAA, Moosehead and SeeYaAye! I wonder whether good sharif will lift a finger to help him out diplomuttically.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 18 Jun 2015 02:13

The other ISI stooge Ejaz Haider would be careful now going to the 7th century land as he had in one of his program said that if Saudi Arabia after spending $48 Billion yearly on Defence is not able to deal with Yemen itself and is asking for Pakistani troops then how secure is Mecca and Medina which belongs not just to Saudi Arabia but the whole Muslim world!!!! It is time he said that pakistani forces be incharge of these cities.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jun 2015 03:26

BD was Nazayaz Baccha ( Sick Bookha-ri)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Jun 2015 03:57

Peregrine wrote:One would rather use the Word "BLACKMAIL".

Peregrine ji, yes, true. I was quoting the word that Ms. C. Fair herself had used. The point is if she can go that far and admit it, then she should go the whole hog.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jun 2015 04:00

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jun 2015 04:07

SSridhar wrote:
Peregrine wrote:One would rather use the Word "BLACKMAIL".
Peregrine ji, yes, true. I was quoting the word that Ms. C. Fair herself had used. The point is if she can go that far and admit it, then she should go the whole hog.

So what are the Pakis coercing or blackmailing about?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Jun 2015 04:14

^^^ The coercion or blackmail is that either the Pakis will be forced to go nuclear because of India, or that they will implode, leaving nukes in the hands of explicit jihadis. (The Paki establishment is jihadi, just not overtly so, and often well-camouflaged, so that only a few westerners like C.C. Fair see through them). The US has a strong interest in making sure that after WWII there is no first-use of nukes.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jun 2015 04:56

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ The coercion or blackmail is that either the Pakis will be forced to go nuclear because of India, or that they will implode, leaving nukes in the hands of explicit jihadis. (The Paki establishment is jihadi, just not overtly so, and often well-camouflaged, so that only a few westerners like C.C. Fair see through them). The US has a strong interest in making sure that after WWII there is no first-use of nukes.

If this was so important they would not have provided nukes to TSP and delivery systems in the first place.
I don't believe this is true concern even though they state it like a mantra.

As for nukes with jihadis they can ensure safety by taking them away.

A nuke armed TSP is hedge against rising India for ever.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 18 Jun 2015 05:07

Peregrine wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Ms C. Fair says that "Pakistan has been able to get away with relying upon Islamist militants to prosecute its policies with respect to India with impunity due to its nuclear weapons.". It is certainly true. However, Pakistan had conducted jihadi terrorism against India since 1947 as she herself admits at one point (though certainly the scope and scale of the terrorism increased dramatically after 1989 and most especially after 1998). So, what prompted it to do so, a country whose CINC (Composite Index of National Capability) has always been about a sixth of its adversary? That's something that Ms. C.Fair has not talked about. She needs to talk about it at some point so as to complete the circle and fill the gap. I say this because she openly admits that the US behaves the way it does due to Pakistani coercion and therefore she can discuss the US-Pakistan or the UK-Pakistan relationship as well candidly.
SSridhar Ji,

One would rather use the Word "BLACKMAIL".
Cheers

<CT>Indira Gandhi's assasination ? A joint collaboration with ISI ? </CT>

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jun 2015 05:48

Sindh CM warns Rangers against acting beyond authority

KARACHI: A letter issued from the office of Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah on Wednesday accused Pakistan Rangers Sindh of acting beyond its mandate and termed the paramilitary force's current role as “unacceptable”.
In the letter addressed to DG Rangers, a copy of which is available with Dawn, the Sindh CM House alleged that officials of the Karachi Building Control Authority and Lines Area Development Project were harassed and manhandled when Rangers reportedly raided their offices on Monday, June 15, 2015.
Citing the above-mentioned incident, the handout claimed that “Pakistan Rangers is acting beyond their authorities and mandate given to them by the Sindh Home department”.“It is therefore advised to cease such unacceptable roles beyond the notified mandate, requiring you to limit your movement in accordance,” the letter reads.The development comes only a day after PPP co-chairperson Asif Zardari lashed out at the military establishment for overstepping its domain.In an uncharacteristically aggressive speech, Zardari warned the military against “the character assassination of his party” saying that if they did not stop, he would expose the misdeeds of many generals.Rangers personnel in balaclavas on Monday had paid a ‘visit’ to the head office of the Sindh Building Control Authority, held a meeting with its chief and collected ‘relevant details’ about unlawful allotment of land and illegal construction on encroached areas in Karachi during the past decade.The illegal carving out of smaller residential plots, less than 120 square yards, from a big amenity plot is called ‘China-cutting’.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 Jun 2015 06:03

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

As happens year after year, the Mohammaddens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan cannot agree to sighting of the Moon on the same day resulting in the Islamic Republic starting the Mohammadden “fasting” month of Ramazan / Ramadan on two separate days with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KpK) following one day and the rest of the Islamic Republic another.

It strikes me as presumptuous for Mohammaddens to take every opportunity to claim being scientifically advanced, at least back in the days of their religions infancy by saying that they are the fount of all manner of knowledge known to Europe, when it transpires that they depend on human sight rather than an astronomical calendar to determine celestial events of religious significance:

Moon-shy: Ramazan to commence from Friday in Pakistan

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jun 2015 09:05

Deal with Russia for purchase of Mi-35 attack helicopters on the cards
http://www.dawn.com/news/1188819/deal-w ... -the-cards

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Russia are close to finalising a deal for purchase of Mi-35 ‘Hind E’ attack helicopters, a military source told Dawn after the conclusion of Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif’s three-day visit to Moscow.The source said an agreement would be signed ‘very soon’. He, however, avoided disclosing when and where the accord would be inked and how many helicopters were being purchased.Pakistan had been pursuing the helicopter purchase deal since 2009.The two countries had signed a bilateral defence cooperation agreement aimed at strengthening military-to-military relations in November last year. The deal had to be followed by another ‘technical cooperation agreement’ to pave the way for sale of defence equipment to Pakistan.On the last day of his Moscow visit, Gen Sharif attended a meeting on the proposed technical accord.Although there was no formal word on the outcome of the meeting, the source said: “There was significant movement towards operationalising the defence accord, including defence acquisitions.”Besides helicopters, Pakistan also appears interested in other Russian hardware.The army chief spent about 15 hours at an arms expo near Moscow that featured Russia’s cutting edge weapons and military equipment. He inspected not only the weapon systems on display but also saw their live demonstration.“The army chief spent whole of June 16 witnessing dynamic defence expo. Highly impressive display of all types of arms, aircraft, and helis,” military spokesman Maj Gen Asim Bajwa, who accompanied the army chief on the Russia visit, tweeted.The army chief held talks with Russian Land Forces Commander Colonel General Oleg Sayukov, Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov and other defence leaders.The army chief also met Sergey Narishkin, Chairman of State Duma of Russian Federation.Gen Bajwa in his tweet quoted Mr Narishkin as having said that Russia “will stand by Pakistan in its fight against terrorism and extremism for stability in the region. Our relations are independent, more consistent, and will further grow”.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 18 Jun 2015 12:16

‘Rising taxes death-knell for textile industry’
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/1 ... e-industry

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Jun 2015 14:34

ramana wrote:
SSridhar wrote: Peregrine ji, yes, true. I was quoting the word that Ms. C. Fair herself had used. The point is if she can go that far and admit it, then she should go the whole hog.
So what are the Pakis coercing or blackmailing about?

From the Cold War days, the two unscrupulous partners-in-crime should have many skeletons in each other's cupboards. Who knows what will tumble out? For Pakistan, it may not matter if a few more 'feathers' are added to its cap, but the US may not like them.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 18 Jun 2015 14:42

Jurassic World's unintentionally very racist line is stunning audiences

Among the smorgasbord of dinosaurs that feature in this summer's biggest blockbuster, Jurassic World, is the little-known Pachycephalosaurus.

It is pronounced (pak-ee-sef-a-low-sor -us), and the lizard-like creature has a habit of escaping its enclosure, reports the Independent.

Now, this is a fast-paced action film so there is no time for such lengthy paleontological words, leading a character to at one point abbreviate and shout: "The Pachys are out of containment!"

Phonetically this sounds like a wildly racist slur (Pakis), and it has left some viewers squirming uncomfortably in their seats.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 Jun 2015 15:42

SSridhar wrote:
Peregrine wrote:One would rather use the Word "BLACKMAIL".
Peregrine ji, yes, true. I was quoting the word that Ms. C. Fair herself had used. The point is if she can go that far and admit it, then she should go the whole hog.

ramana wrote:So what are the Pakis coercing or blackmailing about?

SSridhar Ji, ramana Ji, A-Gupta Ji and Dipankar Ji :

In addition to <CT>Indira Gandhi's assasination ? A joint collaboration with SD + CIA + ISI ? </CT>

1. Khalistan : SD + CIA + ISI

2. Drugs from Afghanistan : CIA + ISI

3. Lahore Case of over 100 Boys' and Girls' Bodies found in Acid Barrels : These were found in the Compound of a Large Mansion where Leading Elites were "Entertained" including Foreign Diplomats. Could be a case of "Stuff & Snuff".

4. Honey Traps
Cheers

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Jun 2015 15:56

Badabar, laying of Bear Trap, 1993 Mumbai grenades issue, Robin Raphel's support for Kashmiri terrorists, support for genocide in east Pakistan, training for the Khalistani separatists, nuclear collaboration, Taliban, David Coleman Headley etc are issues that we are aware of where there has been collaboration and/or coercion and/or blackmail. But there must be countless others that we are unaware of that only an Assange/Snowden type can reveal. When the India-US relationship thawed slightly after the India-China war, the US was able to extract concession from a more upright India in Operation Hat, 1965. Then, imagine what a pliant, unscrupulous, reckless, beggar state like Pakistan would have allowed the US to do.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 18 Jun 2015 16:05

saip · Post by **saip** » 18 Jun 2015 16:14

Should not the Russian helis be named PAK-I instead of HIND?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 Jun 2015 16:49

SSridhar wrote:Badabar, laying of Bear Trap, 1993 Mumbai grenades issue, Robin Raphel's support for Kashmiri terrorists, support for genocide in east Pakistan, training for the Khalistani separatists, nuclear collaboration, Taliban, David Coleman Headley etc are issues that we are aware of where there has been collaboration and/or coercion and/or blackmail. But there must be countless others that we are unaware of that only an Assange/Snowden type can reveal. When the India-US relationship thawed slightly after the India-China war, the US was able to extract concession from a more upright India in Operation Hat, 1965. Then, imagine what a pliant, unscrupulous, reckless, beggar state like Pakistan would have allowed the US to do.

SSridhar Ji :

Never Forget - US Ambassador Chester Bowles(?) planning with Sheikh Abdulla "The Independence of the State of Jammu & Kashmir"! That is why, I believe, Nehru imprisoned Sheikh Abdulla.
Cheers

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Jun 2015 19:14

http://www.newsnation.in/article/82196- ... amzan.html
"Pakistan releases 113 Indian fishermen on Ramzan".

The 113 Indian fishermen will travel to Lahore by Karakoram Express and will be handed over to Indian authorities at the Wagah border tomorrow.

On their release, Pakistan Fisherfolk Forum (PFF) and jail authorities presented the traditional gift of Ajrak (blockprinted shawls) to the fishermen.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 Jun 2015 19:43

what about their boats?
Their catch must have been greedily gobbled up by the pakis.

And this is after Modi called up badmash, wished him IED mubarak, and said that India is releasing pakistani fishermen due to ramzan

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Jun 2015 20:02

saip wrote:Should not the Russian helis be named PAK-I instead of HIND?

Actually they are called P-Hind - bronounced, as the Soothis do as behind. Sounds like one for Twitter..

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Jun 2015 20:11

arun wrote:X Posted from the Islamism thread.

As happens year after year, the Mohammaddens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan cannot agree to sighting of the Moon on the same day resulting in the Islamic Republic starting the Mohammadden “fasting” month of Ramazan / Ramadan on two separate days with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KpK) following one day and the rest of the Islamic Republic another.

It strikes me as presumptuous for Mohammaddens to take every opportunity to claim being scientifically advanced, at least back in the days of their religions infancy by saying that they are the fount of all manner of knowledge known to Europe, when it transpires that they depend on human sight rather than an astronomical calendar to determine celestial events of religious significance:

Moon-shy: Ramazan to commence from Friday in Pakistan

Arunji:
You are 100% right on what you said ref the moon sighting. This yearly event has become a farce in this Islami Mulk (Bakistan).
But the end result is an absolute bonanza

for the aam abduls (at the detriment of the Paki economy

). Four days of Eid Holidays- encore celebrations!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Jun 2015 20:55

Pak -Brit Wives Move to ISIS controlled Syria - Leaving their husbands behind in UK

THREE sisters and their nine young children are suspected of fleeing England to join Islamic State jihadists in Syria.

Two of the fathers whose wives and children went missing have made tearful appeals for their return.

Zohra Dawood’s husband is currently in Pakistan, British media reported.

Comment: Obviously, there is more to the story then what is being reported here; what about the brainwashing, preceding such an action ; who is responsible and why there is no reporting on that aspect ; then there is the question of the husband's presence in Pakistan? what is he doing there?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jun 2015 20:57

shiv wrote:
saip wrote:Should not the Russian helis be named PAK-I instead of HIND?
Actually they are called P-Hind - bronounced, as the Soothis do as behind. Sounds like one for Twitter..

Russia ready to sell four Mi-35M combat helicopters to Pakistan: report
http://tribune.com.pk/story/905732/russ ... an-report/

MOSCOW: A source in the Russian system of military and technical cooperation revealed that a draft contract has been delivered from Russia to Pakistan for the dispatch of four Mil Mi-35M (NATO reporting name: Hind E) combat helicopters, according to a report published on TASS.Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport, said that talks pertaining to the delivery of helicopters were under way with the Pakistani side. However, declined to disclose the details of these consultations.
“Following the results of the talks held earlier on helicopters, which Pakistan would like to get from Russia, a draft contract on the delivery of four Mi-35M gunships has been sent to the Pakistani side. Pakistan is now studying the document,” the source said.Just last year, Russia’s Rostec hi-tech corporation CEO Sergey Chemezov announced that Russia had lifted its embargo on the delivery of armaments and military hardware to Pakistan and was holding negotiations on the delivery of helicopters to the country.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 18 Jun 2015 21:22

Jhujar wrote:
shiv wrote: Actually they are called P-Hind - bronounced, as the Soothis do as behind. Sounds like one for Twitter..
Russia ready to sell four Mi-35M combat helicopters to Pakistan: report
http://tribune.com.pk/story/905732/russ ... an-report/

MOSCOW: A source in the Russian system of military and technical cooperation revealed that a draft contract has been delivered from Russia to Pakistan for the dispatch of four Mil Mi-35M (NATO reporting name: Hind E) combat helicopters, according to a report published on TASS.Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport, said that talks pertaining to the delivery of helicopters were under way with the Pakistani side. However, declined to disclose the details of these consultations.

This is inevitable, as India looks to diversify its weapons sources and a desperate Russia looks for support to China. Unfortunately, the Paks come in dahej with the Chinese.

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 18 Jun 2015 22:29

Falijee wrote:Pak -Brit Wives Move to ISIS controlled Syria - Leaving their husbands behind in UK

THREE sisters and their nine young children are suspected of fleeing England to join Islamic State jihadists in Syria.
Comment: Obviously, there is more to the story then what is being reported here; what about the brainwashing, preceding such an action ; who is responsible and why there is no reporting on that aspect ; then there is the question of the husband's presence in Pakistan? what is he doing there?

The women were obviously sold. The husbands cying is a farce. What do these women know about ISIS or how to go about joining them? Who pays for the travel? Since when were muslim women allowed to go out without a chaperone?

On second thoughts, shouldn't ISIS, being strict enforcer of the quran, halaal these un-chaperoned women? This tamasha is just to attract more young men.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jun 2015 00:25

It could be Mi^ plot.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Jun 2015 01:32

Washington Post: "Three films you must see to truly understand Pakistan and its problems"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle ... story.html

Three documentaries, related in content yet wholly unique, offer compelling reports on the benighted country and some of its worst scourges: polio, drone strikes and Islamic extremism.

“Every Last Child” (opening Friday at the Angelika Pop Up Cinema), “Drone” (screening Thursday and Friday as part of the AFI Docs festival) and “Among the Believers” (also at AFI Docs, Friday and Sunday) introduce us to the human beings often reduced to caricature in coverage of Pakistan. In a dangerous country rent by crisis and at war with itself, these filmmakers also manage to illuminate hopeful themes, showing some Pakistanis’ remarkable courage and resilience.

“Every Last Child” focuses on the bravery of World Health Organization workers who slog door to door through fetid slums to convince Pakistanis to have their children vaccinated against the paralyzing disease.

“Drone” is a remarkable document if only for taking viewers into rarely seen North Waziristan, the virtually lawless area that has long been a haven for the Taliban, al-Qaeda and Haqqani network fighters who often travel between Pakistan and adjoining Afghanistan to attack Western troops...
The film puts faces on innocent victims through credible testimonials about wanton missile strikes.

The third documentary, “Among the Believers,” is a must for anyone who wants to understand how fundamentalist Islam manufactures zealots who become suicide bombers and otherwise kill to glorify God. It explores what have, in Pakistan, become jihad factories — the thousands of madrassas where young Pakistani boys are sent by impoverished parents because they can’t afford to pay for regular schools (which is an abject failure of the Pakistani state).

In these boarding facilities, the boys spend endless hours memorizing the Koran in Arabic, told that if they master this feat, when they die, they will be able to take to heaven 10 of their relatives — who would otherwise die in hell.

Students confess they have no idea what the verses mean; they just memorize them. As for the goal of their education, that’s simple: “We are mujahideen,” one says. “We kill infidels for the sake of Allah.”

The pro-Taliban cleric at the center of the film, Abdul Aziz of the notorious Red Mosque in Islamabad, talks approvingly of molding young minds and thus setting their intolerant perspectives for life. His goal is to impose shariah law in Pakistan — also the point of the anti-state Taliban insurgency that has cost the lives of tens of thousands of Pakistani soldiers and civilians.

The heroes here are progressive, secular Pakistanis and mainstream Muslims, like the man who builds a village school to counter the Red Mosque’s influence. Also fighting for tolerance and pluralism are leaders of protests after the killings of more than 130 school children in Peshawar in December; they forced the government to put Aziz under house arrest after he refused to condemn the massacre.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jun 2015 01:59

G For Gharida

watch the inbred in 2nd half

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 19 Jun 2015 02:26

The heroes here are progressive, secular Pakistanis and mainstream Muslims, like the man who builds a village school to counter the Red Mosque’s influence.

From the Indian POV, this does not matter, as all these pakis hate India, as we all know. The "secular" and "progressive" are the same turds who want India to "move on" from 26/11 regardless of what kind of heroes these US mofos claim they all are.

Americans again doing their best to sell pakis to the their citizens, to explain why they need to fund pakis to the tune of billions of dollars every year. The whole pretense that the outside worldview of pakis is a "caricature" that needs explaining is pretty laughable. Pakistan as terror central is not a caricature.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jun 2015 03:08

The heroes here are progressive, secular Pakistanis and mainstream Muslims, like the man who builds a village school to counter the Red Mosque’s influence. Also fighting for tolerance and pluralism are leaders of protests after the killings of more than 130 school children in Peshawar in December; they forced the government to put Aziz under house arrest after he refused to condemn the massacre. ....

True test is let them protest to put Hafiz Suar in jail...

Aziz is anyway out of favor with TSPA.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Jun 2015 03:43

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ The coercion or blackmail is that either the Pakis will be forced to go nuclear because of India, or that they will implode, leaving nukes in the hands of explicit jihadis. (The Paki establishment is jihadi, just not overtly so, and often well-camouflaged, so that only a few westerners like C.C. Fair see through them). The US has a strong interest in making sure that after WWII there is no first-use of nukes.

Very simplistic perspective.

CC Fair is a little girl walking in diapers compared to DoS/Pentagon. She is 30 years too late in gaining the little gyan she got.

It is the DoS+Pentagon that created the Jihad-industry in Pakistan. They were one father and Paksitan Army is the mother of whole Jihad industry. To say that somehow CC Fair found this truth just because a Paki General threatened her with a gang-rape is saying gravity did not exist until Newton claimed its existence.

If we look around, the US facilitated nuke-ability to only few countries. They are UK, France, Israel and Pakistan. Russia and China had to steal them. India had to do its own thing.

USA allowed (overtly or covertly) Pakistan to get nukes only for two reasons. One is, as the sage said to contain India. The second reason is the fact and USA's confidence that Pakistan will never be a power (of any kind). Pakistan doesn't have any quality that makes a nation a power to recon with. Pakistan simply doesn't have the culture, philosophy, industry (philosophically or materially), intellect and vision that are required for a society to achieve national power that can be exerted with or outside the national boundaries.

No wonder USA didn't mind Pakistan having nukes. The same USA (and Israel) are fighting tooth and nail to stop Iran from acquiring a nuke. Worse even North Korea has more leadership qualities than Pakistan to the extent that the West cannot accept a nuclear Korea.

The very fact that a Jewish Israel and Christian US/EU allowed Pakistan to have nukes is proof that Pakistan can never be an Islamic power (even for a single Islamic faction, forget about Ummah).

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jun 2015 03:49

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-18844 ... ary-tirade
PM Ass& Military COASS discuss Zardari’s ‘anti-military’ tirade
Khaa Guppe Guffe Gaffe Pakistan !

SLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Chief of the Army Staff Stuffed (COASS) General Raheel Sharif discussed a recent ‘anti-military’ statement issued by Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari over the telephone, sources said here on Thursday.
Highly-placed sources told Geo News that the premier paid tribute to the army chief over successes achieved by the security forces of the country in the ongoing Operation Zarb-e-Azb against terrorists during the telephonic conversation on Wednesday evening.Gen Raheel Sharif is currently on an official visit to Russia.Commenting over the PPP leader’s statement, PM Sharif said that such comments against the armed forces of the country would not be tolerated at any cost.Former president Zardari, in his address to PPP workers and office bearers earlier in the week, had warned against the party’s character assassination, saying if they started doing the same then no one would be spared including army generals.Zardari went on to say that army chiefs come and go every three years but the political leadership is here to stay. "I don’t want the national institutions to weaken," he added.“If attempts are made to agitate us then we’ll respond accordingly,” said the aggressive looking PPP co-chairman on Tuesday. Paying homage to the Army over Zarb-e-Azb successes during his telephonic discussion with the COAS, the premier also said that the whole nation respects and loves the armed forces of the country.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jun 2015 06:00

Jiahd-e-fistula have fragile egos and cant tolerate any criticism from civilians for it undermines their H&D and more importantly makes them vulnerable if the jahil rise up.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Jun 2015 06:51

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jun 2015 10:24

RamaY wrote:USA allowed (overtly or covertly) Pakistan to get nukes only for two reasons.

There is a third reason, and that was to get Pakistani support for the US desire to defeat the Soviet Union as a revenge for its Vietnam debacle. Pakis arm-twisted the Americans to get more and more concessions from them. Remember the 'peanuts' reference by Gen. Zia. Evidence supports this theory. The US support for Pakistani nukes moved rapidly and disproportionately as fighting intensified in Afghanistan.

When Pres. Ronald Reagan assumed power in c. 1981, he made non-proliferation as one of the lynchpins of his foreign policies. He even suspended LEU fuel supply for the Tarapur Atomic Power Station in India by retrospectively activating his new policy (though it had to ultimately arrange an alternate supply through France). The denial of technology by the US even lead to unsafe operations of the plant because of the cutoff of the supply of even safety-related equipment by the US. However, it was under Reagan’s leadership that Pakistan’s proliferation happened without let or hindrance. In c. 1976, the US Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) of 1961 was amended by the Symington Amendment and in c. 1977 by the Glenn Amendment which prohibited military and economic aid to any country that did not subject itself to fullscope International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards on all its nuclear facilities. By late 1978 and early 1979, the European and the US intelligence agencies discovered the construction and operation of the Kahuta uranium enrichment facility. As this was coming in the way of US aid to Pakistan, a Pakistan-specific section 620E was introduced into FAA that waived the sanctions for six years.

As this period was drawing to a close and as the Afghanistan situation was still not resolved and the USSR not yet defeated, an amendment, the now famous Pressler Amendment, was passed in c. 1985 that allowed the President to continue the aid provided he certified to the Congress every year that Pakistan did not possess nuclear weapons. The US Congress also passed the Solarz Amendment to FAA in August 1985 that demanded the US cut-off aid to any country that illegally exported or attempted to export nuclear-related materials from the US. Pakistani agents have been caught several times doing that but not only were they let go but also the Solarz Amendment was not applied. The US President farcically and falsely gave such a ‘no possession’ certification in spite of mounting evidence from its own State Department and the CIA. The US imposed sanctions on Pakistan in April, 1979 (under section 669 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 or FAA by Pres. Carter) after it was learned that Pakistan had secretly begun construction of a uranium enrichment facility, but it was lifted by the same US Government soon after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan without Pakistan capping any of its clandestine activities. A similar scenario unfolded after the 9/11 attacks. The additional sanctions that were imposed after the May, 1998 Chagai tests were withdrawn as the US needed Pakistani support to pursue Al Qaeda and Taliban

As the general usefulness to the US of Pakistan became irrelevant with the withdrawal of FSU from Afghanistan in 1989 (completed by February), and the beginning of the collapse of the Soviet Union (the Berlin wall was torn down in 1989, a year of great changes), the American conscience was suddenly seized of the Pakistani missile and nuclear proliferation activities. The US Government began to take notice of the clandestine Pakistan acquisitions of nuclear material in several European countries including the US, as well as the transfer of proscribed technologies from China and North Korea, leading to Pres. George Bush Sr. refusing to certify to the US Congress in Oct. 1990 that “Pakistan did not possess a nuclear weapon”.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 19 Jun 2015 12:50

Ab tera kya hoga mushy

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/1 ... -musharraf

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jun 2015 14:14

Pakistan seeks good neighbourly ties with India, says FO - DT

Under pressure from the US, India initiates contacts, Pakistan says the usual things. Another round of useless talks, and possibly a huge terror strike, are about to unfold.