Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby kmkraoind » 16 Jun 2015 11:56

kmkraoind wrote:Taliban is ISI offspring. ISIS is 100% Quranic, they will not tolerate un-bearded, whiskey sipping Paki generals and will latch Paki crown jewels, saying that it belongs to all Ummah. If ISIS ever steps in Pakistan, their number one target will be Pakjab (a harami place where music is allowed, has women TV anchors, traffic is still on the road even during namaz times, where Gillette has considerable market share).

A power line with switch (PA-ISI) is called Taliban.
A power line without any switches is called ISIS.


LOL. Pakjab ISI is shit scared of ISIS. Now Pakjab nawab is sending a request to ISIS Qaliph through Taliban munir stating everything is alright in his Munafiq kingdom.

Pajhwok Afghan News ‏@pajhwok

- #Taliban letter to ISIS:We are Legal Jihadi group in Afghanistan , Mullah Omar confirmed by 1500 Ulama, so no need to another Parallel group
- #Taliban letter to ISIS: Working under other flags in #Afghanistan is against Islam, and Muslims interests.
- #Taliban letter to ISIS: We have not policy of Intervention, so we kindly asking others the same
- #Taliban letter to ISIS: For this first time the letter not sent from Mullah Omar, it sent from Mullah Mansoor the acting chief of Shora.
- #Taliban in a letter to #ISIS Leader emphasized on one leadership under the flag of Taliban.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Anujan » 16 Jun 2015 12:31

Long-ish article on the politics between ISIS and Al Qaeda

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/j ... d-al-qaida

Basically ISIS is doing a power grab and eclipsing Al Qaeda. Younger recruits want to join ISIS and not Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda wants to become a charity organization :rotfl:

Maqdisi now wants al-Qaida to begin providing social services, as Hamas has done in Gaza. “That kind of enabling jihad will establish our Islamic state. It will enable it to become a place of refuge for the weak,” he said. Al-Qaida branches in Tunisia and elsewhere have been putting this suggestion into practice – with jihadis guarding hospitals, building infrastructure, and even picking up litter.


Whats up with terrorist organization in Pakistan all wanting to suddenly become charity orgs? :roll: :rotfl:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Falijee » 16 Jun 2015 14:49

Altaf Hussein Resignation Drama Continues !

KARACHI: Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Chief Altaf Hussain on Tuesday announced once again that he was stepping down from the post of party chairman over the remarks made by Federal Defence Minister Khawaja Asif regarding 'Mohajirs'.


According to a statement on the MQM website, Asif had said in the National Assembly and on a television channel that, “Only people coming from Ludhiana and Jalandhar were genuine Mohajirs. All the rest are fake Mohajirs.”
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Comment : Going by this "narrow definition criteria", some of the 'most famous' Paki personalities like Baba-e-Qom, M.A .DJinnah , First PM, Islamic Republic Nawab Liaqat A. Khan ( not sure about this guy !), Photo Chor, A.Q. Khan, "Kargil Hero" Gen Musharraf, would fall under the category of 'fake Mojahirs' :rotfl:

Comment: This guy ( Altaf H) needs to "get off the bottle" if he wants to be taken seriously by his "Karachi audience", when he makes his daily sermons!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Jun 2015 15:23

^^^^ Athale:
This is particularly important in case of our western neighbour, where terror organisations like the Lashkar-e-Tayiba enjoy massive popular support. The peace lobby is confined to a tiny well-meaning minority. Sustained terrorist operations mounted by the LeT in India would not be possible without a large degree of popular support.

In turn, this popular support to terrorist organisations makes the local government go soft on any action against them. A classic example of this is the way the 26/11 Mumbai attacks accused or assailants of the Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yusufzai have been quietly released from detention.

Like in an insurgency, so too in the case of terrorism, the insurgents and terrorists are like fish swimming in the waters of popular support/sympathy. A long-term solution is to drain that swamp of popular support to the terrorist cause. The general population of the adversary country is the target and not just the so-called masterminds or leaders.

Once the people of the country realise that the price they are paying in violence is the consequence of the actions of the terrorists, over time the support to the terrorists will end. That is the real solution to the problem of terrorism and not catching Muhammad Sayeed or Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi. As long as the popular support continues, the terror factories will continue to produce more and more Lakhvis or Ajmal Kasabs.

This will not happen in a month or even a year, but may take a whole generation. But this is the only course open to civilised nations to save themselves from the threat of barbarians like the Taliban or ISIS.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Falijee » 16 Jun 2015 15:28

International NGOs to continue functioning in Pakistan for six months: PM

Paki flip-flop on International NGO's Continues ! :rotfl:


The premier announced the decision while chairing a high-level meeting at the PM House to discuss matter related to INGOs present in the country.


Earlier last week, authorities in the federal capital sealed the offices of international non-governmental organisation Save the Children.


Comment: International pressure from 'uncle' responsible ? Livelihood of 'thousands of awaam' at stake?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Falijee » 16 Jun 2015 15:38

Gay couple arrested in Balochistan after secret 'marriage'

QUETTA:
Police arrested a gay couple in Jaffarabad district of Balochistan on Monday following reports of their secret ‘marriage’, said to be the first in the province. :shock:

A friend of the couple and the man who read their Nikkah was also arrested in the Gandawa area of Dera Allahyar, a town on the border of Sindh and Balochistan.


Sexual abuses are rarely reported in Balochistan’s highly-conservative society and issues are settled personally. Gays and transgender often do not speak up about their sexuality following the strict norms of society and culture in the country.


Comment:One of the recently 'unbanned INGO's' should now take up this test case !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby JE Menon » 16 Jun 2015 15:57

Shouldn't Pakisatanic NGOs be called NSOs (Non-State Organizations)?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby johneeG » 16 Jun 2015 16:05

Why do Pakistanis keep appearing in Arnab's show after the treatment they get? Because...

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Jun 2015 16:28

"International NGOs to continue functioning in Pakistan for six months: PM"

Somebody remembered in time that in Pakistan, Taliban, al Qaeda, LeT and ISIS count as International NGOs, how can these be shut down, they are the reason deeter for Pakistan, they surely would not exist in an unPartitioned India. This is the glorious "khatre mein hai" heritage that Muslims would lose if only Hindustan existed. After all, Pakistan ka matlab kya hai?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby shiv » 16 Jun 2015 16:43

kmkraoind wrote:
kmkraoind wrote:Taliban is ISI offspring. ISIS is 100% Quranic, they will not tolerate un-bearded, whiskey sipping Paki generals and will latch Paki crown jewels, saying that it belongs to all Ummah. If ISIS ever steps in Pakistan, their number one target will be Pakjab (a harami place where music is allowed, has women TV anchors, traffic is still on the road even during namaz times, where Gillette has considerable market share).

A power line with switch (PA-ISI) is called Taliban.
A power line without any switches is called ISIS.


LOL. Pakjab ISI is shit scared of ISIS. Now Pakjab nawab is sending a request to ISIS Qaliph through Taliban munir stating everything is alright in his Munafiq kingdom.

As stated by both Christine Fair and Afghan Foreign minister , Pakjab's solution is to keep NWFP burning and let the fight take place there.

The Afghan FM described it thus: NWFP and Waziristan are like "servants quarters" while the master lives in Pakjab. If there is to be a fire master is happy to restrict the fire to the servant's quarters.

C.Fair had a little bit more detail. She said that Pakjabi army follows the old British tactic of "far border" and near border alternately. The "far border" is Afghanistan. The near border is NWFP.

The Paki army has no way of settling the problem and has no intention either. A continuous state of war suits them - they will live out their lives. For may reasons a continuous state of war within Pakistan or Afghanistan suits the US and China as well.

Regarding debt I think finance guys know that the capital does not matter, as long as a person pays interest forever. Pakistan will be financed forever and the top honchos of USA and China and Soothi Barbaria will have a free run of the country.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Jun 2015 18:55

http://tribune.com.pk/story/904070/bail ... er-waters/
"Bailout programme: IMF, Pakistan relation enters deeper waters"

ISLAMABAD:

Pakistan and International Monetary Fund’s (IMF) relations will now test deeper waters as the Washington-based lender now expects Islamabad to start focusing on deep structural reforms, particularly in neglected areas of energy and taxation.

The upcoming approval of the eighth loan tranche of $506 million by the Executive Board of the IMF, which is tentatively scheduled to meet on June 26, will mark the beginning of phase-II that will focus on areas that Pakistan has so far failed to deliver in.

In a recent conversation with journalists, IMF Resident Representative in Pakistan Tokhir Mirzoev said the primary focus in the initial stages of the programme was on measures to stabilise the economy.

Key achievements to date include a low interest rate, low inflation, declining budget deficit, and higher reserve buffers.

After the stabilisation, the IMF now wants Pakistan to implement reforms in troublesome areas.


Meanwhile, progress on taxation reforms has been slow. In fiscal year 2014-15 budget, which is ending on June 30, the government withdrew Rs103 billion Statutory Regulatory Orders.

There was hope that the cost of tax exemptions that the government estimated at Rs477 billion by the end of fiscal year 2013-14 would come down to around Rs375 billion by close of this fiscal year.

However, the Economic Survey of Pakistan that the Finance Minister launched early this month revealed that instead of coming down, the cost of tax exemptions has gone up to Rs665 billion.

Out of Rs665 billion tax exemption, the cost of sales tax exemptions was Rs478 billion, according to the survey.

An amount of Rs389 billion was lost due to exemptions given to industries under the sixth schedule of the Sales Tax Act.

An amount of Rs286 billion was lost at the domestic stage and another Rs103 billion at the imports stage. The IMF said it was examining the reasons behind surge in cost of tax exemptions.

When asked, FBR Chairman Tariq Bajwa did not have answer as to why the cost went up despite withdrawing the SROs.

Tax collection has been a long-standing concern. As against the original target of Rs2.810 trillion, the FBR will be unable to collect more than Rs2.6 trillion despite levying Rs360 billion additional taxes in a single year.


The IMF also considers electricity surcharges as important in bringing the energy sector closer to cost recovery. These measures are only part of the reform agenda in the energy sector.


1. First, is the IMF serious about "deep structural reforms" in the Pakistan economy? I doubt it. The IMF has been talking about deep structural reforms for ages and nothing has happened, and the IMF has not cut off Pakistan.

2. But assume that the IMF is indeed serious this time round. There is absolutely no way that Pakistan is going to make those reforms, and it will be seeking some way to evade having to make them. If we see IMF as an extension of the US, then either the other of the 3.5 friends will be approached to bail them out from IMF's clutches, or else Pakistan will cook up whatever crisis it has to in order to have "legitimate" excuses for delaying these reforms. In this respect, a crisis with India is the easiest instance of crisis for them to create.

I'm not so confident that all of Manohar Parrikar's talk, Doval's strategy and Army action in the North East will dissuade Pakistan for a moment from doing whatever it takes to deflect the IMF. I predict that if the IMF is indeed serious about deep structural reforms in the Pakistan economy, we will have a major terrorist incident with India in the near future.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Gagan » 16 Jun 2015 18:57

I think that the thing that Pakistan is afraid of the most is India publicizing SF ops that India's military has carried out in POK or in Pakistan.
India's SF units have carried out such ops going into POK on multiple occasions.
Pak Fauj is worried that if this leaks out there will be loss of H&D.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Gagan » 16 Jun 2015 19:18

The IMF is one of the tools that the west uses.
Every time a developing country needs a loan from the IMF, things will be held up for a while, and in the meantime, all the IMF donor countries will gather and bring up their pending 'to-do' list.
With Pakistan, I guess only the US and Britain have to do lists, specially Britain prolly has about 3-4 dozen people it wants arrested from hiding inside pakistan.

IMF loans is a very important foreign policy tool that several countries use

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Gagan » 16 Jun 2015 19:25

Now if we assume that ISI is the mother of both LET and AlQaida - both being formed in the same country, by people who believe in the same school of thought, whose leaders interacted frequently and so on...

Indian pressure on the LET made them turn into a Charity organization, and Half-is-suar Saeed morphed into a semi politician, philantropist from a terrorist.

Amreekan pressure on Al Qaida, caused its leader to go into hiding with the ISI's help, who was later prolly sold out by some ISI afsars and was taken out by Ombaba - it is not clear what ombaba's predecessor was doing with this problem... I mean killing off bin laden was an exit strategy right? If you didn't intend to exit AfPak, then don't find bin laden for a while and stay there so that you can keep on searching, right? And meanwhile starve and kill off the planners and foot soldiers of AlQ.

Anyway, if AlQ becomes a charity org, it will be in direct competition to JUD and all the NGOs in Pakistan...
It will also disrupt ISIS's plans.

ISI won't like this.

Saudi won't like it if AlQ starts to do charity in KSA or the Middle east instead...

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Postby Falijee » 16 Jun 2015 21:42

Pakistan Feels the Madras-sah Heat !

ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan pledged to crack down on religious seminaries suspected of fostering extremism following the Peshawar school attack in December that left more than 130 children dead, but the move faces stiff resistance from conservatives.


With little oversight of what was being taught to the 1.8 children enrolled in them, fears grew after Peshawar that some were breeding grounds for intolerance — or even extremism.

Every evening the leafy streets of one of Islamabad’s most exclusive quarters throng with young men in white shalwar kameez and prayer caps.

They are students of the Jamia Faridia madrassa, tucked among the upmarket homes of diplomats and wealthy Pakistanis.

It is run by Maulana Abdul Aziz, the cleric of the hardline Red Mosque, which in 2007 was the scene of a week-long military siege against radicals which left more than 100 people dead and led to the rise of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).



Information Minister Pervez Rashid felt the force of the clerics’ influence last month after he called madrassas “universities of illiteracy and ignorance”.

Banners appeared overnight all over Islamabad condemning him and he was forced :D to apologise on television.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Prem » 16 Jun 2015 21:48

Modi calls Nawaz, extends wishes for Ramazan
Master Modi Playing With Paki Puppy Poodle Pupils

SLAMABAD: Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi called Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Tuesday and extended greetings on the arrival of Ramazan.According to a statement issued by PM Office, Indian premier called Nawaz and both the leaders spoke for five minutes on different issues of bilateral importance.Modi also called Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Prem » 16 Jun 2015 22:09

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... ndle-India
How to handle India :rotfl:

s India a malevolent regional actor? Absolutely. Is India in the throes of a dangerous and globally unchallenged process of religious polarisation of state and society? It seems so. Is India wrong on Kashmir, Siachen, Sir Creek, and a host of other issues? Hardly a doubt. Most of all, is India able to play Pakistan like a ukulele whenever it wants? It looks like it. The game India’s strategic geniuses are now playing should be obvious. Keep making nice with everyone in the world, except Pakistan. Keep needling Pakistan’s insecurities and instabilities. If Pakistan thinks RAW is supporting terror, all the better. It feeds the monster even more. And when the monster breaks out into a sweat, not knowing how to deal with the provocations and the needling, and the alleged support for terrorist activity, just point and laugh.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby arun » 16 Jun 2015 22:29

The Western Worlds wholly misplaced penchant for doing an Equal=Equal between India and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan recognised and criticised.

C. Christine Fair writes an article titled “False Equivalency in the “Indo-Pakistan” Dispute” in War On The Rocks:

…………….. Unfortunately, much of this coverage of the so-called India-Pakistan conflict is deeply problematic in that writers, perhaps with good intentions, seek to impose a false equivalence on both nations’ conduct, giving the impression that India and Pakistan contribute equally to the fraught situation that currently exists.

This is dangerously untrue and feeds into a policy-process that has failed to come to terms with the most serious problem in South Asia: Pakistan. Such coverage also rewards Pakistan for its malfeasance by attributing blame to India in equal share and thus legitimizing Pakistan’s ill-found grievances. The only parties who benefit from such an understanding of the “Indo-Pakistan” dispute are the Pakistan military and its terrorist proxies. ……………………….


From the below weblink:

False Equivalency in the “Indo-Pakistan” Dispute

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby A_Gupta » 16 Jun 2015 22:40

^^^ Fair on Baluchistan, RAW-sponsored terrorism, etc.

As Craig and Gowen note, Pakistan claims that India supports a range of insurgent and terrorist groups operating in Pakistan. In the past, there was speculation about Indian support to Baloch and Sindhi nationalists who have sought independence from Pakistan. Hard evidence for Indian support for these militants remains elusive. However, the best scholarly assessment is that any Indian involvement in these activities cannot compare to the scope, scale or duration of Pakistan’s support of non-state actors in India. Pakistan also alleges that India supports the various terrorists operating under the banner of the Pakistani Taliban. Unfortunately, Craig and Gowen failed to note that, unlike Pakistani sustained support for terrorism in India (and Afghanistan) for which there is Himalayan mounds of evidence including that which has been gathered from U.S. intelligence sources, Pakistan has provided no support for its varied claims. Unlike India, which has captured or killed numerous Pakistanis engaging in terrorism in India, Pakistan has caught no such Indian infiltrators. Instead Pakistan is wont to assert that some of its terrorists are not circumcised with the intention of intimating that they are Hindu. It is a well-established fact however that the Mehsuds (a tribe in Pakistan’s tribal areas) do not circumcise and the ranks of the Pakistani Taliban are festooned with Mehsuds.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby ramana » 16 Jun 2015 23:01

Jhujar wrote:Modi calls Nawaz, extends wishes for Ramazan
Master Modi Playing With Paki Puppy Poodle Pupils

SLAMABAD: Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi called Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Tuesday and extended greetings on the arrival of Ramazan.According to a statement issued by PM Office, Indian premier called Nawaz and both the leaders spoke for five minutes on different issues of bilateral importance.Modi also called Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.



He should send a crate of mangoes delivered by SF.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Prem » 16 Jun 2015 23:19

ramana wrote:[[quoteSLAMABAD: Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi called Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Tuesday and extended greetings on the arrival of Ramazan.According to a statement issued by PM Office, Indian premier called Nawaz and both the leaders spoke for five minutes on different issues of bilateral importance.Modi also called Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.
He should send a crate of mangoes delivered by SF.


Nawaz is afraid of Mangoes upsetting his tummy. Afghans have promised full crate of Pomegranates to set his tummy right.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Gus » 16 Jun 2015 23:49



good one..well argued and referenced.

can be a sticky/first post in this thread.

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Postby CRamS » 17 Jun 2015 02:48

Jhujar wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9-323896-How-to-handle-India
How to handle India :rotfl:


This reminds me of late John Nash's movie on how to deal with an attractive blonde who plays hard to get in that movie. He advises his friends to ignore her and go after her Brunette friends instead, I mean thats the best response to her playing hard to get. Zaidi Chutiya thinks he is in that position when in matter of fact, he is talking like a jilted lover, so frustrated of being ignored by the attractive blonde (India) but he is now putting on a show of bravado that its the blonde who is after him. Bloody Paki f$cks are so obsessed with India, that 2 minuscule comments by Indian ministers who otherwise have enough on their plate to taunt TSP result in a national convulsion on TSP's part.

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Postby Gus » 17 Jun 2015 03:11

why are we still discussing zaid whatshisname... his shock value is worn out year back and it is not even remotely funny. there is nothing new or of value..

paki thread would drop to page2 if not for such useless clowns..and we should let it.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby jash_p » 17 Jun 2015 03:16

Did 10 percenti gave ultimatum to generals? Now he will chant Pakistan na khape

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Postby Gagan » 17 Jun 2015 03:38

10 percenti has several overtones in his nature that come into play wrt his dealings with the fauj.

There is the BB getting bull cuttled / sunroof levering thingie by the fauj
There is the shia - sunni thingie
There is the Sindhi - Pakjabi thingie
There is the ghoos taking thingie
There is the ISI having bicchars of his aiiyashi with goris thingie
There is the PPP being undermined by the fauj thingie...

So many thingies are bothering him.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 17 Jun 2015 05:51

Mosharraf Zaidi has a lot of typical paki choothspah and is one of those pakis that India's paki-loving "secular liberals" find very reasonable, mostly because he says the usual paki stupid s**t in a very soothing voice. The air of being oh-so-reasonable while being just another paki of the ejaz haider or Yasser Hamdani ilk. Analizing what the paki liberal mofos spew out is an utter waste of time and space -- but seems to be a popular sport in these here paki threads.

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Postby CRamS » 17 Jun 2015 06:46

Guys, that analysis by Fair didi is absolutely a master piece. I propose that we include this I to the list of links on top.

Having said that, I doubt the WP morons who did that equal equal (I posted their trash a while back) have the wherewithal to understand and digest what Fair has to say. Let me also reiterate that many of us here could articulate the same views, but it bears no repetition that in today's "secular" India, anything like that by an SDRE will be trashed as "communal" or "jingoistic" or "chest thumping".

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby partha » 17 Jun 2015 07:57

Madame Fair's article is good but do notice that she is pushing for LOC as the international border instead of full POK becoming part of India. She has been pushing this line ever since she took the blue pill.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 17 Jun 2015 08:05

She is not the only one pushing for LoC as international border -- some of the numbnuts in Indian thinktanks have also written the same as being the "only pragmatic approach" (in addition to partitioning the state on religious lines!).

CF's reasoning is that there is no chance of India getting that territory back...well, as long as the US supports that paki army that may be true, who knows what tomorrow or the next few decades may bring. India cannot just hand over territory to the pakis just because they illegally occupied it for a few decades. CF is not saying anything we have not known for a while now, but I am glad that the facts are now making their way to a wider audience.

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Postby partha » 17 Jun 2015 08:16

Of course she is not the only one but she is establishing credibility among Indians by writing such articles which are for the most part well researched but also contain some of her opinion which may not align with Indian interests. Being a gora, it's much easy for her to earn trust of Indians and then push for LoC as border type nonsense.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby manjgu » 17 Jun 2015 08:25

how is it possible to upload a pdf scan ...? wanted to post a scan from james todd book on rajasthan..indus..todays pakistan..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Tuvaluan » 17 Jun 2015 08:29

CF's opinions are not going to impinge on India's pakistan policy any time soon, though the paki-loving mofos in India may actually listen to her because she is a westerner, which is a good thing. We have enough cretins of the Suhasini Haider and Aaker patel ilk, who misinform Indians with their stupid cr@p on a regular basis -- CF's narrative will hopefully balance that out.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby pankajs » 17 Jun 2015 08:31

LOC = Border has been India's unofficial position from the time of Indira Gandhi from after '71.

This is *said* to have been agreed between Bhutto and Gandhi except that Bhutto wanted to delay the announcement lest he be hung from the nearest lamp post on reaching Bakistan. Every subsequent government have talked of the LOC as a de-facto border except for the parliamentary resolution during Rao's (not sure) time. Even ABV in a manner of speaking signaled the same by asking the Indian Forces to not cross the LOC.

I disagree with her on quite a few things and am ever suspicious of her because of her past rants against India but I will not blame CF for LOC = International Border. The blame for such a position, IMHO, squarely lies with successive Indian governments.

I was positively surprised to hear GOI talk of GB and our long shared boundary with Afghanistan twice in a very short period of time.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby JE Menon » 17 Jun 2015 08:46

Another excellent article by Christine Fair.

It seems she is at that finely balanced point where what she says does not matter within the establishment, but at the same time it is weighty enough intellectually because of her background to get good media, and comes at a time when it makes eminent sense to an American public much better informed about Pakistani duplicity and perfidy. So she is in a position to mould public opinion to a greater degree than, say, even 10 years ago. Can't say it is a bad thing.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby shiv » 17 Jun 2015 08:46

manjgu wrote:how is it possible to upload a pdf scan ...? wanted to post a scan from james todd book on rajasthan..indus..todays pakistan..

If you have a Google Mail account you can use Google Drive to upload the pdf and then mark it as "public". Providing the url will make it visible

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Anujan » 17 Jun 2015 08:54

The normally seasoned and circumspect Zardari has gone full crazy on Paki army. Wonder what set him off

http://tribune.com.pk/story/904947/angr ... blishment/

In a surprising outburst ostensibly against the powerful security establishment, Pakistan Peoples Party Co-Chairman Asif Ali Zardari said on Tuesday that politicians were better suited to running the affairs of the country. “You are here for only three years,” he said in an apparent jab at the army chief. :shock:

Warning the establishment, which he accused of tarnishing PPP’s and his image, Zardari said, “Anyone who tries to disturb us will get a befitting response. Be wary! If this doesn’t stop now, I shall come out with a list of generals who have been accused starting from the time Pakistan came into being. And then you’ll spend the rest of your lives providing explanations.” :shock:


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22

Postby Gus » 17 Jun 2015 09:09

we want PoK to...well..not not Po.

reality is, that is decades away. and given pakjabi demography there, is PoK even a realistic target?


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