India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Tuvaluan » 17 Aug 2015 22:47

The pakis of the west, i.e., USA offers to investigate the death of Shuja Khanzada -- Hamid Gul's ex-boyfriend.

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/asia/us-offers-help-to-probe-pakistan-provincial-ministers-killing/

ondemning the attack, the US Embassy here said, “Such blatant disregard for human life is unacceptable and contrary to the aspirations of the Pakistani people for a secure, stable, and prosperous nation.”


That sounds like the INC-drones/MMS speaking.

And on an unrelated topic, "The Brink" has a pretty hilarious premise -- that the US is some sort of "peace broker" between India and Pakistan, and the US politicians apparently works hard to keep the two countries from ripping each other's throats (by funding pakis and their terrorist groups every year, obviously)....BS by any other name is still BS, even if a comical farce of reality.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby svinayak » 17 Aug 2015 23:52

Tuvaluan wrote:
And on an unrelated topic, "The Brink" has a pretty hilarious premise -- that the US is some sort of "peace broker" between India and Pakistan, and the US politicians apparently works hard to keep the two countries from ripping each other's throats (by funding pakis and their terrorist groups every year, obviously)....BS by any other name is still BS, even if a comical farce of reality.


These shows are to create the perception in the younger gen mind that US is the mediator and broker in Indian sub continent

Indians have to change this perception once and forever.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby CRamS » 18 Aug 2015 00:13

^^^ Exactly. Thats why, while its OK to get some cheap thrills by watching crap like Brink, as I mentioned aeons ago, in the colonial, racist mind of US elites and thereby its people, there is an India TSP problem, not a TSP problem. And so while they portray TSP as the terrorist enterprise that it is, when it comes to the same manifestation of TSP evil against India, their Judea Christian missionary zeal to be objective, to be neutral sets in.

However, us NRIs can play a role, even at the expense of being laughed off or mocked as a "Hindu extremist" like I have been (both by US elites and their Uncle Tom NRI sepoys), should use shows like Brink, OBL in Abottabad, 26/11 etc to drive home the point that TSP is a terrorist evil abomination. Problem with many NRIs is that out of self loathing or whatever, they get too scared to challenge this equal equal status quo for fear of getting their kushy lifestyle perturbed.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 18 Aug 2015 03:03

"The Brink" is just another TV show and like all TV shows, its effects may or may not be as much as think. But the bottomline is that the US's "strategeric partnership" with India will only be in areas of convergence, and if it is unable to get over its habit of supporting the paki army and its terrorists decade after decade. It is pretty clear that for every such show, there are a dozen newpaper articles and stories about how terroristan is the new IT superpower or some such nonsense.

In any case, US's support for Pakis and their terrorist groups under whatever names they operate under today, whether Taliban or Daesh or XYZ, makes it pretty clear that there can be no convergence between India's look east policy and the US's policies in the neighbourhood. All the Brookings-type snake oil salesmen from US think tanks should not be taken at face value, especially when it comes to messages about India's neighbourhood and local politics. Caveat emptor, etc. life is too short edumacate the ignorant morons in the US elites or the Indian sepoys on a one-on-one basis...a blog may be far more effective, especially if it documents all the claims and nails it all down, and word-of-mouth to advertise a network of blogs is probably more effective in "educating" those who don't want to be educated. This way, you can point to the URL and terminate the conversation and save an icecream headache.

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Postby A_Gupta » 18 Aug 2015 16:55

US debate on the Iran deal:
http://www.abqjournal.com/620353/opinio ... unity.html
Iran deal is a historic opportunity -- Sen. Martin Heinrich / Democrat, New Mexico

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Postby rsingh » 18 Aug 2015 18:58

Latest issue of NEWSWEEK is on bad bad India. All garment you buy from India is made by slaves and everything used in this industry is toxic. Not a single word on other countries. Time magazine is after bad bad India citing bad health care for women in Eastern states of India. Things are bad but they do not give reasons. It seems GOI is doing this specificly to the North Eastern States of India.

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Postby habal » 18 Aug 2015 19:23

it's comeback for going after ford foundation.

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Postby Singha » 18 Aug 2015 20:46

way the US electorate is structured now and issues of the day, does anyone really thing the republicans have any chance of winning?

to me it seems if the democrats can put up a good candidate they are home and dry.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Singha » 18 Aug 2015 20:52

rsingh wrote:Latest issue of NEWSWEEK is on bad bad India. All garment you buy from India is made by slaves and everything used in this industry is toxic. Not a single word on other countries. Time magazine is after bad bad India citing bad health care for women in Eastern states of India. Things are bad but they do not give reasons. It seems GOI is doing this specificly to the North Eastern States of India.


can you pls x-post this on psyops ngo thread for more attention.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Prem » 18 Aug 2015 22:09

Times and Newsweek are on verge of extinction and no longer actual factor in information warfare.

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Postby Singha » 18 Aug 2015 22:12

true. I no longer see them even in indian stores. kind of like the JNU campus mag I think.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Tuvaluan » 18 Aug 2015 23:32

http://www.journalism.org/2015/04/29/news-magazines-fact-sheet/

Between 2008 and 2014 -- the circulation of both Time and Newsweek print magazines are down by more then 50%.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ramana » 19 Aug 2015 00:25

Most likely older Indians started cancelling subscriptions. New ones didn't bother to subscribe.

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Postby KJo » 19 Aug 2015 02:02

Newspapers are dying. My dad used to get The Hindu right from the 70s when it was good, and just stopped a few years ago and moved to something else.
I have never subscribed to any paper other than a month here and there when my dad visited. And I got a Groupon for a weekly edition. I get everything free online.

But we have subscribed to various magazines though.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Philip » 19 Aug 2015 16:19

Was weaned on Time and Newsweek.I used to pontificate on intl relations when 10! However,from the 90s onwards,they mags suffered due to excessive telly-news faster and had less interesting columnists so the quality of articles suffered. In India however,newspapers are doing well,there's a proliferation of mags on any subject, and bookfairs are doing v.well. That should help maintain our edge over the illeterate yobs of many western nations.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 585792.cms
MANGALURU: The United States does not see India as a country to counter or a balance against China in the South Asia Region, but rather as a model country and a force of stability in the region, said Prof Stephen Tankel, Assistant Professor in the School of International Service at American University, here on Friday.

"US is very enthusiastic about Indo-US relationship," Tankel said pointing out to US President Barak Obamas visits to India. "India, probably, receives more attention from the US policy-makers from on defence side than any other country that is not in crisis," he added.

The non-resident senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security in Washington DC, specializes in international security with a focus on political and military affairs in South Asia, transnational threats, Islamist militancy, and US foreign and defense policies related to these issues.

In his perception, Prof. Tankel said US is not worried about China's rise or growing capabilities which is a natural evolution, but rather its behaviour. Pointing out at how last year India settled its Maritime dispute with Bangladesh through international law, which was a long time territorial dispute, he said to juxtapose, it is quite distressing to see how China is trying to settle territorial disputes South China Sea. "This is the behaviour US tries does not want and wants to see China also as a force of stabilising factor like India," he said.

He was delivering a talk on "Regional look at Security in South and Central Asia", organized by the Department of Political Science at St Aloysius College here.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby habal » 22 Aug 2015 14:39

Trump is the american Modi. He will very well go on to win the presidentship.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ManishC » 22 Aug 2015 17:48

habal wrote:Trump is the american Modi. He will very well go on to win the presidentship.


Modi has a life time of public service and clear ideological positions spanning decades, not to mention 10 years running Gujarat in face of Congoons and Secularists as a model of good governance.

The only record of governance Trump has is over East European ex-models creating pouty kids of various vintage. He might well become POTUS, but he is no Modi - American or otherwise.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby habal » 22 Aug 2015 17:52

yesterday at Alabama Trump was screaming to his audience how he is a job production machine or something. He is basically addressing native insecurities of jobs, immigration, crime, economy.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Tuvaluan » 22 Aug 2015 20:09

‏@NMenonRao 21h21 hours ago New Delhi, Delhi
Together with the globalisation of knowledge & the economy we need globalisation of citizenship Kailash Satyarthi

Four p's for strengthening Demicracy: people, planet, prosperity and peace. "Peace is a hunger", a human right: Kailash Satyarthi.


Such people like this one and Amb KC Singh somehow get to represent India in foreign states...can't believe that they actually believe this BS after all their years in service of the GoI. Wonder that such utter imbeciles rise to the top of the IFS heap.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby A_Gupta » 22 Aug 2015 20:25

^^^ Elephants have two types of teeth - one set for show and another set for chewing.
You have to understand the pious platitudes are of one kind.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby svinayak » 22 Aug 2015 20:36

Tuvaluan wrote:
‏@NMenonRao 21h21 hours ago New Delhi, Delhi
Together with the globalisation of knowledge & the economy we need globalisation of citizenship Kailash Satyarthi

Four p's for strengthening Demicracy: people, planet, prosperity and peace. "Peace is a hunger", a human right: Kailash Satyarthi.


Such people like this one and Amb KC Singh somehow get to represent India in foreign states...can't believe that they actually believe this BS after all their years in service of the GoI. Wonder that such utter imbeciles rise to the top of the IFS heap.

During the socialism heydays similar slogans were being shouted.
'Socialism for the world and entire land of the world will be shared by all the people in the world.'
Indian socialists were some of the loudest.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Tuvaluan » 22 Aug 2015 20:44

@CChristineFair 45m45 minutes ago

@kanchangupta Bill Clinton in his first term was no friend of India. If Hillary Clinton gets into office, Pakistan will celebrate.

Actually this is NOT true. The US tilt towards India was Clinton's idea...not Bush's. Clinton backed India on Kargil


Haha, clinton was friend of India it seems because he "tilted" towards India, much like obama, obviously. Clinton and Halfbright's CTBT shenanigans on India are yet to be forgotten by India, even if it has slipped the minds of the likes of CFair. US Democrats are India's worst enemies, and the republicans a tad better...at least they are open about the relationship being transactional.

These american fantasies that they are the keepers of the peace between India and Pakistan is good entertainment, if nothing else.

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Postby arshyam » 22 Aug 2015 20:58

^^ No slipping the mind saar, just papering over. Just like how she always says the US SD fellows are ignorant of Pakistan's machinations and keep naively rewarding that entity. 24 carat BS.

CFair, while very effective in educating Indians about Pakistan, is a non-state actor representing US interests, so to speak. All the anti-establishment posture of hers is designed to enhance her own standing, and make us feel good and listen to her. This is a hedge to secure a US pasand policy from us in the future, given the useless Obama years, and uncertain election cycle. They think by doing some plain speaking that is apparently favouring us, we will follow whatever the US says, even if Hillary wins the election. CFair is merely the enabler of such a change.

Sadly, there are enough Indians, who, after listening to her talks on our negihbour, will start listening to her on other issues as well, such as the 'facutal' statement above regarding Clinton. We need to understand the game for what it is, and collaborate/listen only where it is useful to us, and draw a lakshman rekha beyond that. Listen to her about Pakistan, she is credible on that, and then shake hands and thank-you-bye-bye. AFAIK, the current dispensation hasn't officially engaged with her, so that's a good thing and hope it stays that way.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 22 Aug 2015 21:02

arshyam wrote:AFAIK, the current dispensation hasn't officially engaged with her, so that's a good thing and hope it stays that way.


Yes, agreed.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby arshyam » 22 Aug 2015 21:04

The latest TV show 'The Brink' is also following a similar approach. It is so popular with desis, even on BRF, but it is sort of showing we are useless and the mighty khan is tirelessly working to preserve the peace. No wonder the US sec. of state is the protagonist in that show and is a good likeable guy. And also see the portrayal of Pakistan - the generals are loony, but the people are 'just like us', here 'us' referring to khanic population (and will resonate with a section of desis who think themselves to be similar). Seems to be ground work to rehabilitate that artificial entity of Pakistan, especially after a lot of servicemen and women returned home angry with that entity's perfidy. Interesting.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Yagnasri » 23 Aug 2015 04:22

The Brink is one of a kind useless drama with US air force warriors selling drugs etc and Sec State chasing women, Mad men Ambassadors quoting bible for the end of the world, Brits eating human flesh, Paki Generals being half madmen trying to nuke Israel or India all the time seems to be very near to the reality than most of the Top gun type rubbish come out of Hollywood. :mrgreen:

It of course the good uncle sam try hard all the time and saves the world in the end. That never changes. :mrgreen:

Just see big band theory. lot of racist ideas on Indians.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 23 Aug 2015 04:40

Yagnasri wrote:It of course the good uncle sam try hard all the time and saves the world in the end. That never changes.


But of course, except for the odd slip, when electric uncle sam destroys Ukraine to make sure Russia and Germany don't become economic partners.


I am the plan, I am the man
Who tells you what and when you can
I'm the old one that torments you
I am the voice that tells you to

Don't get caught with your fingers in my pie
Mess with me and boy you're surely gonna' die
If ever you're in doubt about who or where I am
I'm here, I'm there, I'm everywhere, I am your Uncle Sam
Electric Uncle Sam

You beg me please on bended knees
Not to sit among these enemies
If you feel like you wanna dance
Then step aside and take a chance

Don't get caught with your fingers in my pie
Mess with me and boy you're surely gonna' die
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Postby Melwyn » 23 Aug 2015 10:28

arshyam wrote:^^ No slipping the mind saar, just papering over. Just like how she always says the US SD fellows are ignorant of Pakistan's machinations and keep naively rewarding that entity. 24 carat BS.

CFair, while very effective in educating Indians about Pakistan, is a non-state actor representing US interests, so to speak. All the anti-establishment posture of hers is designed to enhance her own standing, and make us feel good and listen to her. This is a hedge to secure a US pasand policy from us in the future, given the useless Obama years, and uncertain election cycle. They think by doing some plain speaking that is apparently favouring us, we will follow whatever the US says, even if Hillary wins the election. CFair is merely the enabler of such a change.

Sadly, there are enough Indians, who, after listening to her talks on our negihbour, will start listening to her on other issues as well, such as the 'facutal' statement above regarding Clinton. We need to understand the game for what it is, and collaborate/listen only where it is useful to us, and draw a lakshman rekha beyond that. Listen to her about Pakistan, she is credible on that, and then shake hands and thank-you-bye-bye. AFAIK, the current dispensation hasn't officially engaged with her, so that's a good thing and hope it stays that way.


+1
Use CFair as a tool to beat pakis, nothing else. She is another snake in the snake pit.

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Postby A_Gupta » 23 Aug 2015 17:16

Since Media/Psyops thread is locked, I ask BRFers to vote down this Michael Kugelman article in the Indian Express
http://indianexpress.com/article/blogs/ ... ake-place/

"Michael Kugelman is the senior associate for South Asia at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, DC." -- one of those budding Pakistan, India experts. On twitter, he was at pains to point out that Pakistan is a victim of terror, too. Hillary Clinton's "those who keep snakes in their backyards should expect to be bitten" escaped him. I doubt this gentleman could understand MEA's press conference.

I hope that by a substantial thumbs-down vote, the Indian Express thinks twice about publishing him again.

This is a tweet that bothered me:
Michael Kugelman ‏@MichaelKugelman Aug 16

#Pakistan is an enabler of terror, but it is also a constant victim. Many here forget that. #Attock attack is the latest reminder. RIP.

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Postby A_Gupta » 23 Aug 2015 17:27

CC Fair points us to this (PDF) document of the Vajpayee-Clinton engagement.
https://www.indianembassy.org/pdf/october_2000.pdf

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Postby A_Gupta » 23 Aug 2015 17:29

On the current issue - NSA talks, CCFair came out fair:

In time order:

Christine Fair retweeted
Gauravi Pal ‏@gauravi_pal
@CChristineFair talks are fine if the scope is what was agreed at Ufa. Bait and switch attempt by Pakistan has been rightly rejected.

Christine Fair ‏@CChristineFair
@gauravi_pal worse than bait and switch. Psk agreed to talk peace while sending in more terrorists. Same purana kahani. Never ends.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 23 Aug 2015 17:35

A_Gupta wrote:CC Fair points us to this (PDF) document of the Vajpayee-Clinton engagement.
https://www.indianembassy.org/pdf/october_2000.pdf


Don't see how that document absolves the Clintons of their CTBT shenanigans, or their persistent hostility to Indian interests. It was only Bush admin that reversed Clinton's sanctions on India after the 98 tests and the democrats and their think tanks were all uniformly against it at the time -- this seems the "set of teeth for show" part of the US govt. elephant, so the document is basically all hot air. There was not a single policy change/outcome from it, AFAIK. Right from Jimmy Carter's time, democrats have demonstrated themselves to be India's worst enemies.

Even now, the entire reason Pakistan is being funded and kept on life support and its nuclear arsenal numbers overplayed (always stays 70 more than India if you notice) as a means of "offshore balancing" in the region. US continues to look at ways of undermining India-friendly regimes in Bangladesh and Myanmar, like it did recently in Afghanisthan. Nothing changes except the quality of snake oil from Washington DC.
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Postby Tuvaluan » 23 Aug 2015 17:49

@CChristineFair 53m53 minutes ago

Christine Fair retweeted Gauravi Pal

The US MUST, as I have argued, change its formal Kashmir policy to recognize the LOC as the border.


It is not for the US or CFair to decide what constitutes the Indian border, so what is she blabbering about. The Indian parliament gets to decide where India's boundaries are drawn and they are drawn right up to the border of Afghanisthan. Snake oil saleswomen (and men) abound.

All this new dance by the Obama admin to stop the invite to sharif and cutting off aid to pakis for not taking action against the Haqqani faction is too little, too late. The Pakis don't give a twat about american aid with China becoming their new sole benefactor.

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Postby Manny » 24 Aug 2015 05:49

Very Interesting..

Today my blog hit the highest ratings... and the topic?

WHAT’S THE BEEF ABOUT BEEF!

http://www.desicontrarian.com/whats-the ... bout-beef/

There is a tons of news and discussion on

"Yulin Dog and Cat Meat Festival"

If you read the comments on on this topic, you would notice the white westerners outrage on the Chinese proclivity to eat Dog meat... The reasoning why the Chinese are cruel and evil and what not./...so when I posted the issue on killing cows,my blog went through the roof. HA Ha!



CAUTION: It's disturbing beyond words:

https://www.google.com/search?q=dog+mea ... 80&bih=895

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Postby A_Gupta » 24 Aug 2015 09:29

Is this stuff about US, Canada giving asylum to Sheikh Mujibur Rehman's killers correct?
http://m.bdnews24.com/en/detail/bangladesh/1014592

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Postby A_Gupta » 24 Aug 2015 16:00

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 646295.cms
WASHINGTON: Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made "remarkable" progress in his first 15 months in office by rolling out a red carpet for foreign companies, but the infamous red tape in India continues to pose hurdles to investments, the White House has said.

"You can say that," Peter R Lavoy, special assistant to US President and senior director for South Asian affairs at the National Security Council said when asked if his assessment of the Modi government means that both red carpet and red tape are running parallel to each other. "I have never seen any Indian government made such quick progress on so many issues, in such a short time," Lavoy added.

"Your bureaucracy has a certain worldwide reputation. It has its own standards that are unparalleled worldwide. Even though India continues to make this progress, we are confident that as entirety whole of the government recognizes their opportunities to move much more quickly to achieve the potential and vision of the PM," he said replying to questions on new government's policies. Lavoy also said the India-US relationship after Modi assuming the post of the Prime Minister is in an excellent position.

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Postby A_Gupta » 24 Aug 2015 16:04

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 570983.cms

Narendra Modi-Barack Obama hotline becomes operational

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Mihaylo » 24 Aug 2015 17:12

Tuvaluan wrote:
‏@NMenonRao 21h21 hours ago New Delhi, Delhi
Together with the globalisation of knowledge & the economy we need globalisation of citizenship Kailash Satyarthi

Four p's for strengthening Demicracy: people, planet, prosperity and peace. "Peace is a hunger", a human right: Kailash Satyarthi.


Such people like this one and Amb KC Singh somehow get to represent India in foreign states...can't believe that they actually believe this BS after all their years in service of the GoI. Wonder that such utter imbeciles rise to the top of the IFS heap.



All the P's will flourish if one Pakistan is destroyed.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby SaiK » 26 Aug 2015 22:16

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=7058&p=1891935#p1891935
this guy has b@lls up his @$$

http://www.law.temple.edu/contact/jan-ting/
comes over NPR, and blasts the immigration system. WTF!?

there is insecurity among americans because of immigrants taking over.. every job growth data matches the number of immigrants.

one of the explosive comment per me is this:
re: mexican americans murdering few wimmen recently..
q: there are much more crimes than those committed by illegal immigrants
he goes: they are unwanted crimes.. they have no legal stand here and does a crime.

my question: does he meant, those crimes committed by legal citizens are wanted crimes?

WTF dude! he is in full support of trump.
he must be smoking some new drug

bottom: don't support this guy and who he supports as well


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