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Postby chetak » 03 Dec 2015 09:39

Satya_anveshi wrote:Can some journalist please quickly ask Money shankar ayyar about his views on this shooting?


I can tell you amir khan's view --- he will say

"i don't believe that he (the shooter) is a muslim" end of story and end of argument. the press will lap it up.

game set and match, AK

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Postby saip » 03 Dec 2015 09:39

The woman is a Qatari.
"Please do not implicate Islam or Muslims in this" --- CAIR

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Postby member_28042 » 03 Dec 2015 09:53

His Brother-In-Law's name is Farhan Khan. Looks like a Paki to me

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Postby member_22733 » 03 Dec 2015 09:56

saip wrote:The woman is a Qatari.
"Please do not implicate Islam or Muslims in this" --- CAIR



Yeah, please dont hate, you are supposed to be secular and accepting. Even when our followers slaughter your folks in a frigging center for developmental disabilities.


My heart is full of sympathy now for the Bakis

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Postby saip » 03 Dec 2015 10:03

When I saw that much air time given to CAIR, a terrorist fascist Muslim organization, by CNN I was ready to throw up. I switched over to FOX and am enjoying the Muslim bashing.

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Postby Abhijit » 03 Dec 2015 10:16

Ayan Hirsi Ali wanted to be out of Islam. She chose the wrong way to do it and now every yahoo has her on their hit list. The surest way out of Islam is to commit a terror act. The moment a devout Muslim commits an act of terror, every tom, dick and harry rushes to pronounce that the terrorist was NOT a Muslim. This is amazing. A Muslim is a Muslim until he/she commits an act of terror - after that, hey presto! they cease to be Muslims.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 03 Dec 2015 10:34

chetak wrote:
Satya_anveshi wrote:Can some journalist please quickly ask Money shankar ayyar about his views on this shooting?


I can tell you amir khan's view --- he will say

"i don't believe that he (the shooter) is a muslim" end of story and end of argument. the press will lap it up.

game set and match, AK


For AK, question should be ..."seeing all protests in Germany against innocent refugees who are mainly women and children, do you feel that society is more tolerance than India?"

that will get his/her panties in a knot afaik.

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Postby vera_k » 03 Dec 2015 21:19

Local news channel reports that there has been more than 1 mass shooting per day so far in the country.

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Postby Prem » 04 Dec 2015 02:20

saip wrote:The woman is a Qatari.
"Please do not implicate Islam or Muslims in this" --- CAIR

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Postby RoyG » 04 Dec 2015 02:31

America has far too many social problems. Armed gunmen is nothing new. Most people I talk to could care less. They just want the booze, b*tches, etc. Nothing will come of this.

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Postby A_Gupta » 04 Dec 2015 02:34

Buzzfeed tells us:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/brot ... plK64M3W2W

The brother of the San Bernardino shooter is a decorated veteran of the U.S. Navy, a spokesperson told BuzzFeed News.

Syed Raheel Farook enlisted in August 2003 and left the service in August 2007.

He was awarded the National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, and Sea Service Deployment Ribbon, Navy records show.

Syed Raheel Farook was an Information System Technician, Third Class. He was on duty on the USS Enterprise; in the Surface Warfare Officer School Unit, in Great Lakes, IL; and at the Recruit Training Command, in Great Lakes, IL.

He was an Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist and won the Good Conduct Medal, records show.


National Defense Service Medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... vice_Medal

Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Wa ... nary_Medal

Navy Good Conduct Medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Cond ... duct_Medal

Global War on Terrorism Service Medal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Wa ... vice_Medal

Sea Service Ribbon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Service_Ribbon

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Postby RoyG » 04 Dec 2015 04:24

Do you think its possible to turn your home into an arms manufacturing and storage depot without family knowing?

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 04 Dec 2015 05:48

There is something seriously wrong with this incident...

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Postby chetak » 04 Dec 2015 06:01

From Mid day

US mass shooting: Pakistan origin couple open fire at Christmas party



US mass shooting: Pakistan origin couple open fire at Christmas party

By Agencies |Posted 03-Dec-2015

San Francisco: At least 14 people were killed and 17 others injured on Thursday when a heavily-armed young Pakistani-origin couple opened indiscriminate fire during a Christmas party at a centre for people with disabilities in California, the deadliest shooting in the US since 2012.

The shooters wearing 'assault-style clothing' targeted the party at the Inland Regional Centre in San Bernardino and fled after the carnage in a black SUV, leading to a lengthy police chase. Hours later, the attackers were killed by police in an encounter.

Jarrod Burguan of the San Bernardino police identified the two suspects killed in the shootout with police as Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, both of Pakistani-origin.

The shooting occurred when the employees of county health department were attending the party with more than 500 people were present at the centre, police said. Farook and Malik were married and the parents of a 6- month-old daughter, according to Farook's brother-in-law Farhan Khan.
Farook was born in the US and was an American citizen. He was an environmental specialist with the county health department who sometimes worked at the Inland Regional Center. Farook had been at the party and left 'angry' amid a dispute, Burguan said.

He and his wife then returned with explosive devices, assault-style rifles and handguns. They were dressed in 'dark, kind of tactical gear', the police chief said."We don't have the motive at this point. We have not ruled out terrorism," Burguan said.

"Based upon how they were equipped, there had to be some degree of planning that went into this. I don't think they just ran home and put on these tactical clothes, grabbed guns and came back on a spur of the moment thing," he said.

At least 14 people died in the shooting, police said, describing it as an incident of 'mass shooting'. Seventeen others were injured - mostly by bullets from automatic-style rifles. Some persons injured in the panic to escape.

"A device that looked like a bomb also flew out of the vehicle," an official was quoted as saying by media reports.


Sgt. Vicki Cervantes, a spokeswoman for the San Bernardino Police Department, said that the suspects are heavily armed and were wearing ski masks and possibly body armour.

The shooters burst into a conference room where a Christmas party was held and started shooting.
US President Barack Obama was briefed about the shooting by Homeland Securities officials and he called for a bipartisan effort "at every level of government" to address mass shooting problems, local media reported.

Reacting to the incident, President Barack Obama said, "We should never think that this is something that just happens in the ordinary course of events, because it does not happen with the same frequency in other countries." The attack was the deadliest shooting on US soil since the Sandy Hook school massacre in 2012.

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Postby vera_k » 04 Dec 2015 06:21

RoyG wrote:America has far too many social problems. Armed gunmen is nothing new. Most people I talk to could care less. They just want the booze, b*tches, etc. Nothing will come of this.


And the causes can be obscure. For example, the Freakonomics book traced the decline of crime in the 1990s to the legalization of abortion.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 04 Dec 2015 06:26

If these are the perpetrators as alleged by US authorities, then the real story here is of a first caucasian american women terrorist and not "tashfeen malik". All the more reason to post in the other thread than this one.

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Postby CRamS » 04 Dec 2015 06:56

Is that picture fake or real. I don't like it only because average person around the world will associate sari with some India connection.

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Postby Sumeet » 04 Dec 2015 06:59

I fear some/few unlucky people of Indian origin may also face backlash due to this. Average Joe does not know how to differentiate between Indians and Pakis.

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Postby Sumeet » 04 Dec 2015 07:00

CRamS wrote:Is that picture fake or real. I don't like it only because average person around the world will associate sari with some India connection.



There are Paki women who wear Saris here in US. I have seen that. As I just mentioned attacks from Pakis here in US may effect few/some unfortunate Indians as well.

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Postby RoyG » 04 Dec 2015 07:05

Satya_anveshi wrote:There is something seriously wrong with this incident...


I'm reminded of that throat slitting incident in the US. I think the jihadi killed the entire hindu family.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 04 Dec 2015 07:32

I am reminded of Faisal Shahzad, son of pakistan's former air vice marshal and deputy director general of pakistani civil aviation authority, who tried to blow up his vehicle with explosives at time square NY. So, as super elite as one can be but if you see his photos in media they will all appear like third class mugshot.

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Postby Kashi » 04 Dec 2015 07:44

Sumeet wrote:There are Paki women who wear Saris here in US. I have seen that. As I just mentioned attacks from Pakis here in US may effect few/some unfortunate Indians as well.


Not just in US. Read somewhere that sari is the formal attire of choice for many in the RAPE gatherings in pakhanaland as well.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 04 Dec 2015 07:57

CRamS wrote:Is that picture fake or real. I don't like it only because average person around the world will associate sari with some India connection.


Many caucasian women are finding that they look extremely sexy if they wear sari and more and more people are attempting that. Some have realized that showing all body at all times to every one has diminishing returns and found virtues of aesthetically covering their bodies and permitting only approved partners to touch their skin or do anything with it.

So, instead of being defensive about it, one should do reverse psyop of sarees becoming famous among cockasians and soothasians and how sarees can make their ugly bodies look sexy.

It is such a waste that this beautiful lady killed/ got killed.


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Postby sum » 04 Dec 2015 08:31

That led authorities to stake out the couple’s home in Redlands. When the SUV rolled by, and then sped away, police chased it until the SUV stopped on San Bernardino Avenue, a few miles from the massacre. Police said the suspects fired 76 rifle rounds; police fired 380. The SUV, so riddled with bullets that it looked like it had been hit with a bomb, was due back at the rental agency that day, police said.

There is no one who can rival the Khan when it comes to putting overwhelming firepower to use!! :shock: :shock:

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Postby Singha » 04 Dec 2015 08:34

yeah its kind of miraculous how many armed police they can deploy within minutes. the whole country is like a armed kabila of sorts. some cops seem to keep shotguns, rifles in boxes in the trunk of their cars, with perhaps a few 100 rounds of ammo and BPJs "just in case" ,,,, maybe another couple of pistols in the glove compartment "just in case" :mrgreen:

and if the call goes out, 100s of citizen volunteers armed with their personal weapons would join any sheriffs posse.

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Postby ldev » 04 Dec 2015 09:18

This is the photo of the shooter, Syed Rizwan Farook, released by California DMV.
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Another picture:
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And a graphic picture purporting to be Tashfeen Malik, lying face down, after she was killed in the police stand off. Mods may delete this picture at your discretion.
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Postby Bade » 04 Dec 2015 09:20

CNN still has not revealed any pics of the "wife". Why ?

The buzzfeed link is troubling. There is more to it than meets the eye. Is it Headley like persona who double crossed and went rogue. They are still not talking about his brother (vet) in mainstream news. Does he have a brother in addition to a sister. He was here and trained here, with no substantial absence as he a had a full time job in CA.

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Postby RoyG » 04 Dec 2015 09:26

Bade wrote:CNN still has not revealed any pics of the "wife". Why ?

The buzzfeed link is troubling. There is more to it than meets the eye. Is it Headley like persona who double crossed and went rogue. They are still not talking about his brother (vet) in mainstream news. Does he have a brother in addition to a sister. He was here and trained here, with no substantial absence as he a had a full time job in CA.


w/e. May the victims have a happy next life.

US is using Muslims to inflict harm on challengers like us, China, and Russia.

This is just a leakage of their policy.


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Postby habal » 04 Dec 2015 09:55

AoA

I think this is a 'misunderstanding'. Apparently there was an evangelist amongst the victims. As per his wife's interview with CNN, he would approach everybody with 'the message' as radical pentecostals are want to. 2 & 2 together. He had already tried to convert everyone in that district health dept to his brand of pentacostalism, wahhabism or wat/e. In the process of spreading his message, it seems he may have accidentaly blasphemed the pbuh. he may have said something that may have hurt the gentle sensibilities of Mr Faruk. This was the dispute. Maybe he was 'gustakh-e-rasool'.

If so this is the first case of 'gustakh-e-rasool' in USA.

should have sent the pakistani couple into a tizzy. I mean it is Aok to set fire to those who blaspheme the brophet in al-bakistan, a change of location should not change this basic rule of life no ....

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Postby Singha » 04 Dec 2015 10:15

well amrika/EU has to get used to this new reality also now.....millions of 2nd and 3rd gen munnas well armed with schengen/US passports, visa free travel are growing up.

"concessions" will need to be made to pacify this lot.

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Postby JE Menon » 04 Dec 2015 10:27

If the Pentecostal preacher man Gustakh e rasooled, then it would have instantly made him wajib ul qatlable ...

Hence first case of both and precedent-setting per sharia.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 04 Dec 2015 10:44

at least 4 of the male victims including the alleged perpetrator were some kind of 'inspector' and one actually worked with him as the county inspector (restaurants/hotels).

gustakh-e-rasool could be the coworker too. that may be the reason why there is a rumor of this being workplace related...just guessing

Suspects father gave a statement that his son was very religious person...

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Postby ramana » 04 Dec 2015 11:04

Kashi wrote:
Sumeet wrote:There are Paki women who wear Saris here in US. I have seen that. As I just mentioned attacks from Pakis here in US may effect few/some unfortunate Indians as well.


Not just in US. Read somewhere that sari is the formal attire of choice for many in the RAPE gatherings in pakhanaland as well.



Per Emma Duncan's book "Breaking the curfew" Benazir Bhutto started wearing those burkhaised/Arabised clothes to differentiate from India. So trend started in late 1980s.

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Postby habal » 04 Dec 2015 11:07

got him..

Nicholas Thalasinos, 52, was a devoted sanitary inspector in San Bernardino County, and he was also a devout Messianic Jew.

He was vocal about his religious beliefs and even wore the tzitzis, the tassels worn by Jewish faithful on all four corners of clothing to cover oneself as a holy act.

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Still, a friend of Nicholas Thalasinos, Kuuleme Stephens, told the Associated Press that his Messianic fervor was a constant source of division between the two inspectors. She recalled a heated argument between Talasinos and Farook.

Thalasinos, she said, told her that Farook “doesn’t agree that Islam is not a peaceful religion.”

The future mass gunman attempted to make the argument that Americans misunderstand Islam.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ramana » 04 Dec 2015 11:17

This was only a trigger. The guy and his wife were hoarding arms and making bombs would have gone jihadi anytime.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby JE Menon » 04 Dec 2015 11:24

>>Nicholas Thalasinos, 52

Maybe a convert. That's as Greek Orthodox a name as you'll ever come across. Probably a descendant of Greek islanders (judging by the surname).

Further it is clear that Rizwan Farook was just waiting for an opportunity to cut loose. He had obviously planned it with his wife, etc. One does not abandon a 6-month old on the spur of the moment, nor does one stockpile arms without a plan in mind.

He probably wanted to prove to the Americans that they have misunderstood Islam. No doubt they will concur. But really, it is Obama who needs convincing on this. Having said that, I doubt he is. Still.

Trump will speak the truth.


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