India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ramana » 04 Feb 2016 00:46

The problem in US starts with sixth grade class on World History.
Glencoe books contain derogatory materials.
Some vulnerable kids get hurt at that early age.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby NRao » 05 Feb 2016 03:20

U.S. hails India’s role in Indian Ocean region

Data point:

The U.S. has a “vested interest” in seeing a stable and secure maritime domain and as part of the shared vision welcomes India’s assistance to regional navies in capacity building, a top U.S. Navy official said on Wednesday. It is in India’s best interests to become an exporter of security “not only in this region but worldwide.”

“The encouraging development is that India building capacity around the world, a global nation enhancing security across the world. Overall, the security of the maritime region will increase as everybody contribute with their limited capabilities with India providing help, assistance and way forward for all those nations to help themselves,” said Admiral John Richardson, U.S. Chief of Naval Operations.

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Postby NRao » 05 Feb 2016 07:02

Slightly dated, but did not see it posted in Dec, 2015:

With Eye On China, India Seeks 100 Armed Drones From US

India has sought from the US 100 latest unmanned aerial vehicles, both armed and surveillance versions, worth USD 2 billion to bolster its arsenal amid recurring incursions by Chinese troops.

Industry sources familiar with New Delhi's interest and ongoing talks between the two governments, said that India is interested in the latest Avenger drones, which is basically an unmanned combat air vehicle, and is mainly being sought with an eye on China.

India had requested for the latest Avenger drones, which is basically an unmanned combat air vehicle, and is mainly being sought after, with an eye on China. It has also sought Predator XP category which is a surveillance version for internal security issues and terrorist threats.

However, while talks in this regard have accelerated in the past few months, the United States has not made any formal commitment or given a public indication pending India's application to joining Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR).

Italy, which is upset with New Delhi for the arrest of its marines, appears to have currently blocked India becoming a member of MTCR.

However, both Indian and US officials are confident that they would be able to get through the last hurdle in the next few months, thus making them possible to take the defence trade - which would include armed drones - to the next level.

"Yes, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc is aware of India's interest in Predator-series Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA)," Vivek Lall, chief executive of the US and International Strategic Development of General Atomics told news agency PTI.

General Atomics Aeronautical Systems produces Predator series of remotely piloted aircraft.

"Due to US export laws, the US government has to approve the export of a Predator-series RPA to the Indian government.

GA-ASI remains very encouraged by the recent India-US bilateral engagements at the highest levels and we are hopeful that we can play an important supporting role in these discussions," he said.

"Predator-series RPA could provide a world-class Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) capability for India which would include both high-definition radar and Electro-optical/Infrared (EO/IR) coverage along India's borders," Mr Lall said in response to a question.

Additionally, the RPA can perform humanitarian aid/disaster relief surveillance over both land and sea, said Lall, who had previously played a key role in US sale of high tech military assets to India during his stint at Boeing.

Mr Lall gave positive indication of General Atomics' interest in the path breaking DTTI and Narendra Modi government's 'Make in India' initiative.

"GA-ASI is very interested in opportunities to work with new international industrial partners. We focus on identifying those opportunities that leverage the strengths and growth capabilities of new partners to enhance the already impressive capabilities delivered by Predator-series RPA," Mr Lall said.

Predator-series RPA provide a highly reliable, cost-effective ISR capability that is fully inter-operable with US forces and US military platforms in the Indian military's aircraft inventory, he said.

The aircraft can perform wide-area surveillance along India's extensive terrestrial and marine borders, he added. "Extremely safe and reliable, Predator-series RPA have been updated with state-of-the-art technologies, including an automatic takeoff and landing capability, redundant flight control surfaces, enhanced avionics, and triple-redundant flight control computers," Mr Lall said.

Noting that GA-ASI also is committed to developing a Detect and Avoid (DAA) capability for its RPA, Mr Lall said the company is currently developing a DAA system, enabling it to successfully detect and avoid cooperative and non-cooperative aircraft.

"It has most recently accomplished the task during a series of flight tests conducted in conjunction with the FAA and NASA," he said.

According to Mr Lall, Predator-series RPA may be integrated with multiple ISR sensors, including state-of-the-art EO / IR cameras and GA-ASI's Lynx Multi-mode Radar which features a state-of-the-art Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) mode that offers all-weather, day/night performance for a wide-area search capability.

Its Ground Moving Target Indicator (GMTI) mode provides a quick and easy method for locating moving vehicles, he said. The radar's Maritime Wide Area Search (MWAS) mode provides the capability to complete a variety of maritime missions successfully, including coastal surveillance, long-range surveillance, small target detection, and search and rescue operations.

"Predator-series RPA also are equipped with an Automatic Identification System (AIS) for identifying vessels at sea. Other sensors may be integrated at the customer's request," Mr Lall said.

"Additionally, Predator-series RPA are equipped with both Line-of-Sight (LOS) and Beyond-Line-of-Sight (BLOS) data link systems for over-the-horizon operations. The ability to be flown from remote locations precludes the need for a large logistics footprint at forward operating bases," he said.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby NRao » 05 Feb 2016 07:46

X-posting.

U.S. says making progress in aircraft carrier collaboration with India

India and the United States are making progress in talks on the joint development of an aircraft carrier for India, the top U.S. navy admiral said on Wednesday, potentially the biggest military collaboration between them.

The two countries agreed to work together on aircraft carrier technology as well as jet engines during U.S. President Barack Obama's visit to India last year in a strengthening of ties to balance China's expanding military power in the region.

The visiting chief of U.S. Naval Operations, John Richardson, said the two sides had held talks on a range of issues relating to the next generation Indian carrier from its design to construction.

A high-level U.S.-India joint working group is due to meet in New Delhi later this month, part of a series of meetings aimed at establishing broader cooperation on the design, development and production of the proposed Indian carrier.

"We are making very good progress, I am very pleased with the progress to date and optimistic we can do more in the future. That's on a very solid track," Richardson told reporters in New Delhi.

India inducted an old aircraft carrier from Russia in 2014 while an ageing British vessel is set to retire this year. It is building an indigenous carrier that is expected to enter service in 2018-2019.

But the navy also plans a third, its biggest carrier yet, for which it has sought U.S. assistance, especially state-of-the-art technology to launch aircraft.

Richardson said the electromagnetic launch technology that enabled a navy to fly heavier planes from a carrier was part of the discussions with India.

"All of those things are on the table, there are possibilities, its a matter of pacing, it's very new technology for us," he said.

China has one aircraft carrier and announced last month it is building another. The Pentagon said in a report last year that China could build multiple aircraft carriers over the next 15 years.

India's navy, which has long considered the Indian Ocean its area of influence, has been unnerved by Chinese naval forays in the region and its efforts to build port infrastructure in countries stretching from Pakistan to Djibouti on the African coast.

After years of neglect, the Indian government has approved the navy's plans for a dozen new submarines, six of them nuclear-powered. More than 40 warships are under construction

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Feb 2016 08:22

How 'em Amreekis view the self-righteously meek SDREs... Now Scott Adams gets into the act ...

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ramana » 05 Feb 2016 08:26

Scott Adams has series on Ashok getting into trouble. Please see his website.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby NRao » 05 Feb 2016 08:35

ramana wrote:Scott Adams has series on Ashok getting into trouble. Please see his website.


He had to use "Ashok"? The irony of it.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ramana » 05 Feb 2016 08:39

Sorry. Didn't get it.

Ashok character was introduced quite a while back. He is model minority.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby NRao » 05 Feb 2016 08:53

Shok is a set of -ves. Complex word in Sanskrit.

"Ashok" is one who has none of these or faces these -ves. And he has selected that name for a person who, in his cartoons, has a lot of problems.

"Shok nasha" is a common blessing (of sorts) - may your problems be destroyed. - may you have no problems.

"Ashok" also has a dimension of even if you have problems may tyou not be impacted by them.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ramana » 05 Feb 2016 09:17

Asok gets pulled by FBI

http://dilbert.com/

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Postby Vayutuvan » 05 Feb 2016 11:12

Adams uses the spelling Asok but the name is Ashok.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Viv S » 05 Feb 2016 11:26

NRao wrote:Slightly dated, but did not see it posted in Dec, 2015:

With Eye On China, India Seeks 100 Armed Drones From US


That's very interesting. Substantiates the other article from Bloomberg publishing in Nov 2015. Cross-posting in the Military Aviation forum.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Singha » 05 Feb 2016 11:39

$2b on reapers and tritons would be a worthwhile spend vs $N billion on rafales.

our domestic rustom2 is shambles and none know why, those who know are not talking.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Zynda » 05 Feb 2016 13:42

Recently I met up with an acquaintance of mine who is Indic naturalized massa citizen. The topic of next president came up and he was hell bent on voting for Hillary. Since I don't really have a bone in US election, but from desh POV I said that Hillary would be a disaster for India. He asked me to read up on Trump saar's immigration policy and how it may affect Indians in the future. I am posting excerpts of his stance on Immigration from his official website.

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.


Some of these are radical changes like GC etc. USCIS will clear GC based on evidence of non-availability of US workers for that particular position. Of course clever employers with smart immigration attorneys, word the job profile in such a way that no one but the candidate seems like a choice for the employer. I know many people who were in to IT testing positions which required nothing more than a bachelors but their employers yet sponsored GCs in Masters category.

Yeah but a severe amendment of H1B visa will not only effect foreign workers coming in to US but also foreign nationals students who are looking for a job in US.

Just like any other presidential candidate, if he makes any changes, they will be probably be toned down a lot from the above text.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby member_29089 » 05 Feb 2016 19:47

Singha wrote:$2b on reapers and tritons would be a worthwhile spend vs $N billion on rafales.

our domestic rustom2 is shambles and none know why, those who know are not talking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unv9C2t7f5c


basically India lags behind a total avionics system design.

A rustom2 drone - even if it takes of and lands successfully - needs to have secure satcom, a ground station, home-grown armaments, and a system software that allows it to be fully functional.

I do not see a total system as above that is fully developed in India in the next 50 years.

State of affairs of our universities, government, media - in other words all of us are to blame.

On the other hand before the US invented the drone, developed the drone, manufactured the drone (including the ground control station), and killed some terrorists with the drone... the US had invented the software, the compiler, the microprocessor, and app, the OS and RTOS, and the entire food chain (same with the avionics hardware)... which part of the technology used in the drone was invented in India? on what basis can we think that if the US did it, we should be able to ? .. .we tried and we failed, that's the natural outcome for mediocrity in education, in leadership, in governance....
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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby NRao » 06 Feb 2016 02:29

A very subtle, delicate dance ...........................

Top US military official bats for pending defense pacts with India

What the US wants/asking for:

NEW DELHI: As India and the US hold fresh talks on three contentious defense foundational agreements, a top American military official today batted for the pacts, saying these are an opportunity for deeper collaboration and cooperation in the key sector.

“I think there is a shared understanding that these agreements have value. They provide structure for exchange. I think they provide opportunity for enhanced cooperation,” said the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) of the US military, Admiral John Richardson.

Interacting with a select group of journalists here, the officer said there is a shared understanding to put in place these agreements.

“There is a very dedicated effort to put everything into place. So, we are optimistic about closing some of these arrangements,” he added.

The American side had raised the issue of signing of the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA), Logistics Support Agreement (LSA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA) during the recent visit of Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar to the US.

While the previous UPA government had refused to sign these, sources said that Parrikar has asked the US to address India’s concerns over these agreements for holding further talks, particularly on CISMOA and BECA.

Richardson arrived here yesterday on a five-day visit to help deepen maritime partnership between the two countries.

He said enhanced collaboration and cooperation is being pushed from the very top in both governments.

“To do this, to take advantage of this window of opportunity, these agreements can be part of that. So, I think there is a sense of optimism that we might be able to get some things done,” he said.

Talking about the Joint Working groups on Aircraft Carrier and jet engine technology, he said that both sides are making good progress.

Asked if the US will continue to help India if it chooses nuclear propulsion for its next aircraft carrier, he said it was a hypothetical question.
Though India has still not decided on this matter, navy officials here have indicated that they may go for nuclear propulsion.

Richardson said the two sides are collaborating and sharing lessons gathered from undertaking the design and building of an aircraft carrier.

Talking about what he described as China’s aggressive posturing in the Indian Ocean, he said that Beijing should make its intentions clear.

Richardson welcomed a larger role for India in the region and the world, saying the country can become an exporter of security.

During his visit, the officer will meet key national security officials here to discuss navy-to-navy relations and opportunities for further technical and security cooperation.

He will then travel to Visakhapatnam to participate in the Indian Navy-hosted International Fleet Review, which will have participation from 50 countries through visiting warships, tall-masted ships, and chiefs of navies.

“A central line of effort for CNO is to expand and strengthen our network of partners,” a statement by the American Embassy said.–PTI


And, what the Indians are asking for ..................

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar’s U.S. Visit – Building Blocks for a India-U.S. Defence Partnership

“India has done enough to simplify it’s defence procurement and other norms. It is time for US Govt and Industry to reciprocate. It is easy to blame Indian bureaucracy but in some cases, US bureaucracy is much worse” – Manohar Parrikar.This was possibly one of the first when a visiting dignitary (December 2015) did plain talking in the US. When the Indian Defence Minister said this, he touched a topic, which has remained unspoken in India’s dealings with the US on defence cooperation. He was quick to add that US can add a lot of value to Indian industry and laid down the path ahead, especially towards indigenous manufacturing.

Parrikar went on to add that enough was done to facilitate ease of doing business in India. He urged US industry to come forward in collaborating with Indian companies. He stressed upon the fact that Indian industry today is capable of maintaining highest standards and could easily become an important part of the Global Supply Chain of American Defence companies.

During the trip, Minister Parrikar also stressed on the major reforms that have been brought in India in the Defence sector and urged the Government of United States and the industry to reciprocate. He stressed that greater cooperation in Defence sector is a win-win situation for both countries.

Discussions with Minister and Government officials were around issues and concerns of the industry from both sides. However, industry from both sides have expressed satisfaction over the outcome of their meetings. Indian industry is upbeat about Make in India and keenly looking forward to more inflow of US investment and technology into India. More technology and manufacturing tie-ups are likely to come up in the near future as well.

Indian industry members were also of the opinion that India should now also deliberate on what Indian Defence companies can offer to US companies rather than just seeking investment and technology from their side. Joint Ventures like Tata-Lockheed or Mahindra Telephonics are a testimony to the fact that Indian manufacturing companies have come of age too and are ready to become an integral part of Global Supply Chain of top US defence companies.

This is a good development since the India-US defence partnership has been more about symbolism than substance for years. While the two countries conduct a spate of joint exercises across the three services, the previous United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government and especially its risk-averse defence minister AK Antony had prevented achieving full potential of their possible joint ventures.
However, Parrikar and his US counterpart Ashton Carter have already met thrice in the past one year. Parrikar’s recent US visit (December 2015) saw many firsts in Indo-US defence engagement. Parrikar began his visit from Hawaii, headquarter of the US Pacific Command, thus becoming the first Indian defence minister to do so. The Pacific Command, largest of the US commands is the fulcrum of America’s involvement in the Indo-Asia-Pacific, a new term being increasingly used to describe the vast stretch of area from Hawaii to India, covering most of Asia. He was also hosted on a US aircraft carrier, again a first for any Indian defence minister.

According to those who were privy to the discussions at the highest levels in Washington, the US defence establishment is now willing to take a re-look at its laws that will help India get the best defence technology. The US is now in fact pushing co-production ventures with India too. In Ashton Carter, India perhaps has the friendliest US Secretary of Defence. As Deputy Secretary of Defence from October 2011 to December 2013, Carter personally pushed defence ties between the two countries. Indeed, the 2012 Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI) was his brainchild. DTTI is now up and running again after lying dormant for the past couple of years.

During the DTTI Group’s fourth meeting at the Pentagon recently, the two sides committed to executing the project plans for two government-to-government pathfinder projects: the Mobile Electric Hybrid Power Sources (MEHPS) and the Next Generation Protective Ensemble (NGPE). Two other projects are nearing finalisation: terms of reference for the Jet Engine Technology Joint Working Group are ready, and the second meeting of the Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Cooperation (JWGACTC) will be held in February 2016.

The US side is arguing for India to sign the three foundational agreements– Communications Inter-Operability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA), LSA (Logistics Support Agreement), and the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial Cooperation (BECA)—considered essential by Washington to allow transfer of high-end technology to India. The US argument is that these agreements ease the conduct of joint military exercises besides expanding their scope and ambition.

Apparently, Parrikar has conveyed to US that India has an open mind to discuss the contours of these agreements, signaling a shift in the MoD’s thinking. The traditional reluctance so far was that any such pact goes against India’s posture of military neutrality. In fact, on UPA Defence Minister AK Antony’s watch, the MoD was even reluctant to allow a third country to participate in the India-US Exercise Malabar. Under the NDA regime however, Japan has been allowed to join the exercise and the arrangement is now formalised for a trilateral exercise to be held annually even at the cost of earning Beijing’s wrath. Modi and Parrikar, it appears have decided not be constrained by the traditional thinking in South Block and have given a go ahead for Indian negotiators to discuss the foundational agreements.

Despite the incremental progress, critics would want to see more substantive progress between India and the US. The building blocks have been assembled; both sides can now speedily build the superstructure in coming months before the change of administration in Washington DC in the next one year

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Feb 2016 02:54

Most rich Americans were probably conceived in resorts outside the US. Since the T-Party believes that birth occurs at concepcion, this means they are all furriners.

(sorry - that was intended as reply on the post about Cruz...) :mrgreen:
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:lol:

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby KLNMurthy » 06 Feb 2016 04:51

GunterH wrote:
Singha wrote:$2b on reapers and tritons would be a worthwhile spend vs $N billion on rafales.

our domestic rustom2 is shambles and none know why, those who know are not talking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unv9C2t7f5c


basically India lags behind a total avionics system design.

A rustom2 drone - even if it takes of and lands successfully - needs to have secure satcom, a ground station, home-grown armaments, and a system software that allows it to be fully functional.

I do not see a total system as above that is fully developed in India in the next 50 years.

State of affairs of our universities, government, media - in other words all of us are to blame.

On the other hand before the US invented the drone, developed the drone, manufactured the drone (including the ground control station), and killed some terrorists with the drone... the US had invented the software, the compiler, the microprocessor, and app, the OS and RTOS, and the entire food chain (same with the avionics hardware)... which part of the technology used in the drone was invented in India? on what basis can we think that if the US did it, we should be able to ? .. .we tried and we failed, that's the natural outcome for mediocrity in education, in leadership, in governance....
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Maybe I am stupid or ignorant, but how does all this stuff take > 50 years? Unless you pulled that number out of your raging musharaf?

I mean, sure it's all non trivial, but I bet there are at least a dozen people on BRF itself, who, if they have adequate funding, can build a working weaponized drone to spec, get it tested, manufactured, and bring it to market in < 5 years.

Maybe the Mongolian can offer his perspective.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 06 Feb 2016 05:26

KLNMurty: (With all due respect to you) You, sire, are underestimating the technologies involved in drone development and overestimating BRF members capabilities (no disrespect to the stalwarts like Mangolian and several others). Sure it doesn't take 50 years but to pull it off in under 5 years is a tough task. Just to find the talent and build the team mid-levels itself is going to eat up 2 years - at least.

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Postby UlanBatori » 06 Feb 2016 05:36

if they have adequate funding, can build a working weaponized drone to spec, get it tested, manufactured, and bring it to market in < 5 years.


Not a subject 4 open phorum. Basically, depends on how much autonomy you need. You can buy a UAV with a camera and wireless transceiver at the Ulan Bator bazaar, hain? Which means you can send commands to a set of gizmos that control power to motors/engines.

Why does it matter how big the engines are? So you can also fly a bigger drone. BVR radio control gets a bit tough, but if one has satellites...

How 'smart' do you have to be to point a guided missile at a target, have the missile acquire it, and release it? So the sophistication needed is on the missile, not the platform as such.

So I think 5 years is way beyond what is needed. They can decide today, start testing 1 week from now in a quiet place, get the weapon-firing process refined, and field the system.
Is it worth spending 5 years and $5B removing the need for operator intelligence and command responsibility? Apparently several of the drone operators working for the Great Satan suffer from severe depression etc because their job is to be sitting in front of a screen for years like Air Traffic Controllers, they basically get orders from somewhere to press the 'fire' button, and then after several years, when they leave, they get a little certificate with a number on it - the number of targets that they 'neutralized'. Apparently that number is large nowadays for each operator. Trouble is, they also get to see the collateral damage..
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Postby member_29325 » 06 Feb 2016 06:18

vayu tuvan wrote:Adams uses the spelling Asok but the name is Ashok.


No one way of spelling or pronouncing proper nouns, and so you get eye-ran, eye-rak and so on. Asok is a common way to pronounce/write ashok in Tamil...because Tamil does not have the "sh" sound (originally, it was introduced only a few decades ago and is not widely used).

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Postby member_29172 » 06 Feb 2016 06:21

Rustom 2 is hardly in shambles just another FUD from a known amreeki fanboi and the funny part is, a lot of people actually agree with his bs statements.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 06 Feb 2016 06:49

ThiruV wrote:...because Tamil does not have the "sh" sound (originally, it was introduced only a few decades ago and is not widely used).

I know. :mrgreen: What next? Tamizh is not the start and end of all things Indic, if I may say so. "Thiru" is Sri or rather shree, hain?

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Postby Vayutuvan » 06 Feb 2016 06:53

UlanBatori wrote:Is it worth spending 5 years and or $5B removing the need for operator intelligence and command responsibility?

FTFY. time vs. tape on a Turing Machine. :)

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby member_29325 » 06 Feb 2016 06:55

vayu tuvan wrote:I know. :mrgreen: What next? Tamizh is not the start and end of all things Indic, if I may say so. "Thiru" is Sri or rather shree, hain?


Never said or implied anything about the indicness or lack thereof of tamil -- just questioning claims there is only one way to write or spell "ashok" or any proper name, Vu21. As an old and wise person I know used to say often in Tamil: "donplay in veyil, playin puliyamarathu neyil".
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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby disha » 06 Feb 2016 06:57

Zynda wrote:Recently I met up with an acquaintance of mine who is Indic naturalized massa citizen. The topic of next president came up and he was hell bent on voting for Hillary. Since I don't really have a bone in US election, but from desh POV I said that Hillary would be a disaster for India.


Zynda., just tell your acquaintance that whatever Hillary did to her emails, if he/she does the same at his/her office, he/she will be fired first and then put in jail for a minimum of 3 years (and sometimes more).

So if the law of the land is same, what goes for Hillary must go for him/her too.

BTW, Hillary's emails with reference to operating spies was found outside of security server (on her personal email server) and Huma Abedin had access to those.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby NRao » 06 Feb 2016 07:35

Hillary would be a disaster for Hillary.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Vayutuvan » 06 Feb 2016 12:24

Ms. Huma Abedin's name comes up in various contexts; for example protein starved man and the dog (God bless) which is fed on meat.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby member_29325 » 06 Feb 2016 12:27

Huma Abedin smells very wrong and a islamist plant in the US administration -- this is being pointed to by many to no avail, given that she is going to have a central role in a Hillary administration. She has gone underground on social media and elsewhere -- on whose advice I wonder.

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Postby Singha » 06 Feb 2016 12:44

the nature of products and lifecycles has changed. just as its easier and cheaper to buy a new smartphone every 2 yrs , drone tech is being COTSized so fast we need not spend years in trials and going for mil spec kit always . cheen made small quadcopter type drones are revolutionising the market and are being used daily in syria.

imo we should by 20,000 such drones and given them to SSB, BSF , IA and save them much legwork and close the gaps. sure they will not work in a monsoon storm or thar khamsin but then neither will mil grade kit like herons or searchers. lifespan will be 2 yrs at best but costs very low to replace. like a smartphone just work for 2 yrs without repairs and then quit it.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Vayutuvan » 06 Feb 2016 12:46

When she surfaces Evan BRF should highlight her radical Islamist views. She was not sh about her views so neither should we in stinging a bright light on those views of hers. Ms. Clinton becoming madam president while not very far fetched is not a given.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Feb 2016 16:14

Singha wrote:the nature of products and lifecycles has changed. just as its easier and cheaper to buy a new smartphone every 2 yrs , drone tech is being COTSized so fast we need not spend years in trials and going for mil spec kit always . cheen made small quadcopter type drones are revolutionising the market and are being used daily in syria. imo we should by 20,000 such drones and given them to SSB, BSF , IA and save them much legwork and close the gaps. sure they will not work in a monsoon storm or thar khamsin but then neither will mil grade kit like herons or searchers. lifespan will be 2 yrs at best but costs very low to replace. like a smartphone just work for 2 yrs without repairs and then quit it.


COTS $200 gizmos have such software-controlled features as self-righteouness :mrgreen: (if you put them upside down they will swiftly change power to the engines to turn right-side up.) One could reprogram this to yell "AoA" and do a vertical dive... :shock:

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Lilo » 06 Feb 2016 16:44

"Self righteousness" :rotfl:

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby brar_w » 06 Feb 2016 17:38

UlanBatori wrote:Most rich Americans were probably conceived in resorts outside the US. Since the T-Party believes that birth occurs at concepcion, this means they are all furriners.

(sorry - that was intended as reply on the post about Cruz...) :mrgreen:


Good one!!

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Singha » 06 Feb 2016 18:22

a basic quadcopter drone can take footage like this. add in a LLTV if you have some money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3He5-JVD3QM

instead of slogging through mosquito infested areas like tripura border with nets on heads trying to show our flag on all smuggling routes, we can economize on manning and track any contact quite cleverly
http://pgresize.outlookindia.com/images ... &width=964

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby member_29325 » 06 Feb 2016 21:35

UlanBatori wrote:Look at this one :eek:


Seems photoshopped/manipulated -- the "bird" suddenly shows up in the middle of the screen at 0:07 and never throws a shadow on the walls nearby ever, and once in the frame, the bird conveniently slows down for all of us to take a good look at it...it would have had a near constant rate of movement down the frame if it was real. The woman could have been distracted for any number of reasons -- maybe the weapons manufacturer's marketing dept. is trying to find willing suckers to buy their products.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Feb 2016 22:41

The title of the video was "US drone used in terr..ist attack". :mrgreen:
Didn't show what payload it dropped, to blow up that powerfully. I know bird poo has nitrate, but is it that powerful?

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