India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Sep 2015 04:38

ramana wrote:Its not encrypted. Just used initials.

For a minute I thought it is Amitabh Bachchan.

touche on the "encrypted" part.

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Sep 2015 11:18

X Posted from the “India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011” thread.

It is extremely foolish for India in any shape or form to endorse this fallacious notion of “Third Party Mediation”. India has devoted an enormous amount of time and energy starting with the Simla Accord to lay down the policy that there is no room for third party mediation in bilateral relations with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Let us not flush it down the toilet for some self serving US manipulation under the guise that Indian’s themselves arrived at this conclusion.

Let there also be no room for illusion on the part of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism under a Nuclear Umbrella will result in anything but severe punishment being meted out to the Islamic Republic irrespective of the damage India will have to absorb irrespective of any third party mediation attempts:

In an unusual dialogue that highlights Washington's concerns for the region, senior analysts, retired military officers and former diplomats met in Dubai last week to discuss options of pulling back from the brink of a full-blown nuclear war that would cause massive damage in the eventuality of an exchange of tactical (mini) nuclear weapons. ……………………..

The broad scenario that was followed started from a terror strike in India, in which a former ISI Major is caught, prompting Delhi to ask for the handing over of conspirators.

When Pakistan does not comply, India carries out strikes on military targets in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK).

This escalates into a full-blown war, in which an Indian armoured column enters Pakistan, which results in a tactical nuclear strike by Islamabad on its own territory to blunt the Indian attack ..……………

Senior analyst Gurmeet Kanwal, who was present at the dialogue, told ET that among the key lessons that transpired from the three-day project was that third-party mediation would be vital for pulling back India and Pakistan from the brink of a full-blown annihilation war as neither India nor Pakistan would back out after a tactical nuclear strike.

"There was a consensus that deescalation would be vital after a limited nuclear strike and that a third-party mediation would be extremely necessary," Kanwal said.

Read more by Manu Pubby on Economic Times at:

US moderates dialogue on defusing tension post nuclear war between India, Pakistan

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Sep 2015 11:47

Rahul Grover
‏@rahulgrover88

US may impose $18bn penalty on Volkswagen(German co ) and it wants india to reduce liabilities under nuclear liability to 1000cr for its cos

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 26 Sep 2015 12:17

Somehow an attack on India by paki terrorists seems to be on the pipeline now. May be in a six months to one year period. Just gut feeling.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 26 Sep 2015 13:42

This gurmeet kanwal gent seems thoroughly and totally caught up in unkils net. First siachen. Now this.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Sep 2015 13:52

Karan M wrote:This gurmeet kanwal gent seems thoroughly and totally caught up in unkils net. First siachen. Now this.

IA retd Brigadier, presstitute rahul kanwals father, seems to have an agenda and an anti India mindset.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 26 Sep 2015 16:37

last time around he was peddling demilitarization of siachen, all to TSPs advantage and BR member shaurya was busy supporting appeasement to buy peace with TSP. dozens of pages of bandwidth wasted.
shooklaw was also a member of one of these delegations along with SP Tyagi. both were given a verbal lashing by other members of the rtd community who asked them on what basis were they speaking for india or the armed forces.
now chap is back with "US has to intervene in Indo-Pak war" rubbish.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 26 Sep 2015 16:47

^^ What is more appalling is that not only these folks got into armed forces but also rose to such high posts.

While I understand that "patriotism" cannot be certified and people may feel differently while still having best interests of their country in mind, the conduct of these folks is uncannily similar to Pakistaniyat.

The question is did they get infected with Pakistaniyat before they enrolled in the armed forces, during their service or post-retirement?

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Sep 2015 18:07

Singha wrote:Rahul Grover
‏@rahulgrover88

US may impose $18bn penalty on Volkswagen(German co ) and it wants india to reduce liabilities under nuclear liability to 1000cr for its cos

pandyan wrote:And 28 years jail for peanut company ceo for salmonella outbreak. Owner/manufacturer was held accountable for safety of yhe product

Very valid points. Citing the mindboggling penalties levied in the above two incidents, India should repudiate the below negotiated cap on nuclear liability:

Obama and Modi agree to limit US liability in case of nuclear disaster

For good order, links to articles on the Volkswagen and Peanut Corporation of America penalties:

Peanut butter boss faces 28 years in jail for fatal salmonella outbreak

Volkswagen could face $18 billion penalties from EPA

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 26 Sep 2015 18:32

Kashi wrote:^^ What is more appalling is that not only these folks got into armed forces but also rose to such high posts.

While I understand that "patriotism" cannot be certified and people may feel differently while still having best interests of their country in mind, the conduct of these folks is uncannily similar to Pakistaniyat.

The question is did they get infected with Pakistaniyat before they enrolled in the armed forces, during their service or post-retirement?

its all a case of power differential. with a weak leadership at the helm for so long and multiple channels to the real throne (queen bee), everyone thought they could get away with everything. shooklaw for instance was busy leveraging MOD contacts to do everyother thing and landing up with invites at MOD events. meanwhile mocking the saint openly, whilst carefully being proINC elsewhere. shows his contacts. the same way, all these gents would have known someone in kan-gress and thought it allowed them leeway to act as movers and shakers while the GOI itself abdicated its responsibility.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 26 Sep 2015 19:23

That title "post nuclear war" and the heading stopping at the Paki nyookulear strike on Indian armored column (deep inside TSP), had me worried. Until I read the full scenario:

Post this first use of a nuclear weapon, India retaliates with a massive scale response by attacking four Pakistani military targets with a tactical nuke. It is at this juncture,

All is well that ends well. I assume that Indian armored thrust into TSP are smart enough to spread out over a few kms so that one tacnuke is not going to cause massive destruction except to dera terrorist khan.

Interesting scenario:
1. PAKI terror attack
2. PAKI ISI Major pinpointed.
3. India demands extradition, refused.

So US & Indian ppl sit across and Pakis participate inchai-biscoot on this premise?

OK, Pakis, let's start with the obvious assumption: you pigs conduct another terror strike and as the whole Duniya knows, it's your government that does these things...

Talk about Honor and Dignity and Sovirgnity..

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 26 Sep 2015 19:56

UB and others -- You may know that one of the important person NaMo is meeting (he will be at
Modi's event at Stanford) is MIT nuclear physicist Moniz who probably has more technical knowledge than anybody else Obama's cabinet about Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure. Yes the one who was the person/expert behind Iran Nuke deal..(Moniz, who generally jokes that California's silicone valley is highly over rated - 128 corridor is better

is making a trip to Stanford just for NaMo's meet... He is US energy secretary and one of the Obama's most trusted men.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Sep 2015 20:25

Is there an Iran like deal in the works vis-a-vis Pakistan? If so, the west may be worried that the nuclear bom... Dude might fall into wrong hands and can be used as dirty f@rts in Europe or even the U.S.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 26 Sep 2015 20:29

better be.. or else Mr Trump in the coming years might use India to check them.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 26 Sep 2015 20:48

More like a India like deal. Then NK will be the last one without IAEA inspections.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 26 Sep 2015 21:24

VT - The NaMo's interest in people like Moniz is their expertise in hard sciences Moniz is Secretary of Energy...India is quite interested in increasing its Energy input.. as it is absolutely needed for any kind of progress. Silly OT/CT type theories are just that.. Silly.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 27 Sep 2015 02:50

Meanwhile ... some = = vis a vis Modi and Sharif - as they say PM's from SouthAsia.. sorry if already posted ... but I think, if you haven't seen similar videos.. or live in NY ..a must see..

Here we see how these two PM's are being received/welcomed by their US ..

From a Masjid in Brooklyn to video message from google ...

Enjoy..

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Sep 2015 03:00

Folks.....Narendra Modi's Tesla visit can be seen here : http://www.narendramodi.in/

Man the guy (is he from DD or ANI) is pathetic? The questions are two simplistic, looks like he has no experience or has done absolutely no homework. Very bad planning and implementation. Amateurs at work, no professionalism. Argggh....

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 27 Sep 2015 03:19

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Sep 2015 05:25

mr gin.. DD, ANI or any of our MSM people are professionals onlee. there is no doubt it. I can't believe you think they are not professionals at all.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Sep 2015 05:29

Amber G. wrote:VT - The NaMo's interest in people like Moniz is their expertise in hard sciences Moniz is Secretary of Energy...India is quite interested in increasing its Energy input.. as it is absolutely needed for any kind of progress. Silly OT/CT type theories are just that.. Silly.

Amber G: Do you mean output? Input is also makes sense as long as it is not the oil from the sand kind.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Sep 2015 05:30

sanjaykumar wrote:a

Do I have to watch the youtube clip?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 27 Sep 2015 06:27

Modi - Bawarchi meeting going on right now...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Sep 2015 08:05

Lavish after lavish being heaped......maasa companies are salivating at the millions of dollars they can harvest from India, I wonder what the 110+ academics who opposed and petitioned the Silicon Valley companies are doing. Nursing their bitter gourd juice; after eating sour grapes?

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 27 Sep 2015 08:49

I wonder what is Doval-ji doing in the visit to Tesla and other tech companies?! Has Doval become a general purpose right hand for Prime minister, above and beyond his NSA role?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Sep 2015 09:10

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SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Sep 2015 09:19

samjo tesla jeeps replacing gypsies. think local use global!
right sizing and pricing is all that matters. once toted, rest can be done.

ps: tesla interest is more with battery technology than anything else
----->>>> 175 GW of solar power!!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 27 Sep 2015 09:26

SwamyG wrote:Lavish after lavish being heaped......maasa companies are salivating at the millions of dollars they can harvest from India, I wonder what the 110+ academics who opposed and petitioned the Silicon Valley companies are doing. Nursing their bitter gourd juice; after eating sour grapes?

Impressive speech .. spelling out his vision at San Jose... Very inspiring...Left many of tech leaders impressed for the potential of India Market..

Pulikeshi · Post by **Pulikeshi** » 27 Sep 2015 09:34

^^^Not his best speech (Hindi so much sweeter to listen to), but he continues to show he can grow...
vastly better delivery even in English and showed natural flow, improvisation and attention to context -> Design in India.

What is impressive is the multi-tasking - US Bilateral, UN - G4, Silicone Bailey, Bihar Elections, etc.
Would love to get a lesson in brain hacking from the man

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 27 Sep 2015 09:59

^^^IMO it was very good, specially judging from the audience...and yes the multi-tasking part as you said is quite impressive!!!

Here is the whole event..

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Sep 2015 10:13

Pulikeshi wrote: Would love to get a lesson in brain hacking from the man

it is a bit evident, is it not?

keep it simple, know the priorities and focus on the 'learn-plan-execute-measure-change plans-execute-measure-repeat' cycle

ignore everything else.

when you keep the noise out, it is amazing what the mind can conceive and achieve.

we have all been in that zone and can recognize it in ourselves and another.

key is in keeping it going for ever and ever...THAT only a few have achieved..

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Sep 2015 10:37

SaiK wrote:samjo tesla jeeps replacing gypsies. think local use global!
right sizing and pricing is all that matters. once toted, rest can be done.

ps: tesla interest is more with battery technology than anything else
----->>>> 175 GW of solar power!!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<

The national grid then can be even more useful for charging car battery at nearest car parking. A lot of forests and forex will be saved with all that solar power.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 27 Sep 2015 10:46

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/full-tex ... ia-1223406

Full Text of PM Modi's Speech at Digital India Event in San Jose, California

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Sep 2015 10:52

SwamyG: arrey baba what millions? We should be talking in billions - India is always in for the long play saheb.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 27 Sep 2015 11:17

vishvak wrote:
SaiK wrote:samjo tesla jeeps replacing gypsies. think local use global!
right sizing and pricing is all that matters. once toted, rest can be done.

ps: tesla interest is more with battery technology than anything else
----->>>> 175 GW of solar power!!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<
The national grid then can be even more useful for charging car battery at nearest car parking. A lot of forests and forex will be saved with all that solar power.

yeah, after 120 Km drive you will wait for eight hour charging before you drive again.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Sep 2015 11:22

chaanakya wrote:
vishvak wrote:[quote="SaiK" samjo tesla jeeps replacing gypsies. think local use global!
right sizing and pricing is all that matters. once toted, rest can be done.

ps: tesla interest is more with battery technology than anything else
----->>>> 175 GW of solar power!!!! <<<<<<<<<<<</quote]
The national grid then can be even more useful for charging car battery at nearest car parking. A lot of forests and forex will be saved with all that solar power.
yeah, after 120 Km drive you will wait for eight hour charging before you drive again.

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with one liner like that, chaanakya your bhakti is shrunk! think about services that last only in nano seconds and milliseconds.
I can agree it would take only 8 seconds to click insert a charged battery. what happened to your chankianess?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 27 Sep 2015 11:27

vayu tuvan wrote:SwamyG: arrey baba what millions? We should be talking in billions - India is always in for the long play saheb.

Just for perspective...Qualcomm CEO Paul Jacobs announced Rs. 10 billion for Indian startups, just before PM's speech..

PanIIT Inc (A small US based organization of Alumni of IIT) raised some thing like $4+Billion in last few years.... BTW Just recently ran into AB (IIT/K 65) you were talking about after all those years, he is some what active with PanIIT Inc.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 27 Sep 2015 12:18

I am not sure what Bhakti you are talking about. Electric cars are there in India for very long time. Battery charging is the main issue besides limit to distance. Solar Charging Stations have failed for precisely the reasons I mentioned. You solve that and you will be a billionaire. Changing batteries ( not one mind you) is not even 8 sec operation else they would have tried that. You are free to explore that option, I thought of that long back. That's why one liner is enough.
Solar power is better grid fed.
BTW National grid is available even now if someone wants to try that.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 27 Sep 2015 12:42

Was the DD/ANI correspondent going to do a shashtanga pranam to Elon Musk or something in the Modi Tesla visit video?

What's with this servile attitude to goras?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Sep 2015 16:22

Another American Einstein provides advice on how to run India
Reblogged from AAUP website

Only two comments there so far. Quoting those in their entirely because they may disappear:

Having read this, I am still lost on the point that Prof. Martinkich seeks to make. It must be my illiteracy. Is it to highlight just one article pushing one company’s immediate agenda? The Indian government has a Digital India initiative that seeks to bring connectivity to everyone, and to bring government to the people through connectivity. Has the Professor spent some time understanding this initiative, to tell us why that is inadequate, and why the Indian government “should upload government websites onto Internet.org”? Indians cyaint build their own servers and upload their government’s site to that, huh? Does the US government keep IRS, CIS and White House websites on a Chinese ISP? (I am sure that would ensure reliable backup since they must have downloaded all). Lacking these, the article comes across as another patronizing and ignorant diatribe pushing one product. Has the professor tried making a few notes from a few other sources than this one article by Joseph? Finding out facts beyond “In India that’s several hundred million”? – (let me help you with the math: if 3/4 of 1.2 billion have no access, then only 1/4 have – that would be three hundred million, which is more than 2, but a bit less than ‘several’)

Is this what AAUP does? Push one commercial product? Snake-oil sales?

Reminds me of an article back in 1984 titled: “If it took an Indira to rule it, India is no democracy”, predicting and salivating at the imminent breakup of India after the assasination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. By Professor Robert Ackerman the Editor of a newspaper in a major American city. As a letter writer remarked then: “Given the access to information that Mr. Ackerman has in the United States, his ignorance of the facts is truly remarkable”.

As for the so-called “debate”, here is an article that examines some of the sources of the anti-Indian Scholiar L.O.S.E.R. Letters etc: Professor Madhav Nalapat, an accomplished journalist and international-affairs scholar writes on the antics of the losing leader of the Nepotist Party in India:
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/rah ... ests-in-us

We can get a glimpse on who pays for those $30,000 electronic signs in the Bay area “protesting”. All that deep concern about India appears to be just more paid negative ads by rent-a-protestors. In Pakistan they call it “Lifafa” (cash-stuffed envelope) journalism.

And just as a note: If 300 million Indians already have Internet access, that's as many as the entire population of the USA. Given the huge disparity in per capita incomes/wealth between the USA and India, that at least implies that the cost of Internet access in India is a lot less than it is in the USA. So they should import an American product and surrender their government's websites onto that to reduce costs and increase access for Indians? Has the professor studied the Internet Divide in the USA? Access in, say, the Native American 'Reservations'? In south Texas or Wyoming? Why can't Internet.org bring universal access in the USA so that students all over the USA can access the websites that we have put up at such immense effort? Does this not suggest that the Internet.org business plan is perhaps not all that it claims to be? So doesn't that make the professor's article crass commercial advertising using AAUP resources and his privileged access to those?