India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 10 May 2015 21:55

THE US GOVERNMENT AND THE USCIRF

http://www.desicontrarian.com/?p=873

The Christian Crusaders of the US Armed Forces!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 11 May 2015 00:16

In Texas we are completely non-sexist, and we are 400% Against The Exploitation of Wimmens, esp. Cheerleaders.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 May 2015 01:22

UlanBatoriJi, good point, but at the same time, who are these IPL slime balls who beg these silly white chicks to bless their cash rich circus by showing some skin, and paying them mega bucks. And what to say of the the millions of clowns who actually go and pay money to ogle at her, while she collects the moolah and then pisses on them.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 11 May 2015 01:39

VijayR wrote:
Philip wrote:Send the arrogant US amby sh*worm back to his "home" along with the Ford Foundation and other anti-national NGO-supporting firang entities.His behavior is unacceptable.At the very least he must be hauled over the coals with a final warning to keep his "bunghole" closed or be sent "home" cattle class.

India and Mr.Modi,who is on the cover of TIME,must also express its grave concern for human rights and civil-rights in the US,which have dramatically deteriorated under the US's first black pres.There is no need for us to curry favour from the US or any other nation,we must keep our eyes focussed on the tasks ahead in resolving the major issues affecting our nation,its external and internal security,economic growth and progress and preserving our unique heritage and environment along with its wildlife,also Indian citizens! India must be a shining example to the world,not letting others like the US dictate to us the virtues of their hypocrisy.
+100
Time to declare Dick the Pr1ck Vermin - PNG and may be reopen the cases against the US consulate in Delhi ( unauthorised school / club / sale of liquor etc )

They need to feel some pain

Yeah what happened to the unauthorized school, liquor, goods smuggling operations that the US Embassy in India was carrying out?? Why hasn't the Modi govt reopened those cases??

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 May 2015 00:16

Maybe because the demand for phoren liqor has gone down?

Soon after the rebuke from the State Department, the head of another major US-based foundation was sent back from Delhi airport after being refused permission to enter this country, in a message that Team Modi would not buckle to pressure the way the Manmohan Singh government was frequently accused of doing.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 May 2015 00:25

CRamS wrote:UlanBatoriJi, good point, but at the same time, who are these IPL slime balls who beg these silly white chicks to bless their cash rich circus by showing some skin, and paying them mega bucks. And what to say of the the millions of clowns who actually go and pay money to ogle at her, while she collects the moolah and then pisses on them.

They r just being good banias, because sex sells. What the heck else is the function of cheerleaders at football games and basketball games and baseball games? "Dance" of course!

Have you heard about the British Madama who went for a ride in a ricksha? A car came along and bumped the back of the ricksha, sending the carriage tilting right back over the head of the ricksha-wallah, spilling the Madama on to the road with her skimpy skirts flying up around her neck. Undeterred, the Madama got up, straightened her skirt, and rushed to the aid of the rickshawallah - the ricksha had run onwards and collapsed over him and he was trapped on the road. She stood over him, and yanked the ricksha back upright, and pulled him to his feet. He was shaking. She stared right down at him and demanded, speaking loudly since he spoke little English:
ARE YOU ALL RIGHT?
hain, hain, yess.. Madama! (shivering in his dhoti)
DID YOU SEE MY COURAGE?
The man seemed to be on the point of fainting in terror.
hain, madama, maaphi maangta hum!

Well..., cheerleaders are all about showing COURAGE. And as much else as possible. Try to imagine Cheerleaders in, say, KSA. Or Bakistan. Yes! Even ankles!!

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 12 May 2015 05:27

^^^ What? Have we no ankles to carry our kendostyx around? in rawalpindi?

Sir, bleh; I bid you good bye in this imajined scenario.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 12 May 2015 14:15

http://thewire.in/2015/05/12/india-suggests-us-set-to-up-national-human-rights-commission/

In response to a presentation made by the United States at the UN, India has welcomed the “openness of the US delegation in accepting areas of continuing concern such as racial bias in the criminal justice system; incidents of bias-motivated crimes including ‘those committed against Hindus and Sikhs'; and need for improved safety and living conditions at confinement facilities.”

Addressing the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on Tuesday during the Universal Periodic Review in which the human rights record of all countries is discussed, India’s ambassador, Ajit Kumar, also said the disproportionate use of force by law enforcement agencies in the US and deficiencies in their procedures “are areas of concern”.

Among the suggestions India made was that the US consider establishing a national human rights commission, though Kumar did not elaborate on what the structure and mandate of such a commission would be.

The US in the past has found fault with the mandate of the Indian NHRC, with the State Department noting, for example, in its periodic report on the human rights situation in India, that the commission had no enforcement powers and “is not empowered to address allegations against military and paramilitary personnel.”

In his intervention at the US, the Indian ambassador also urged Washington to quickly ratify international conventions on the rights of the child (CRC), the elimination of discrimination against women (CEDAW) and on economic, cultural and social rights (CESCR).

India encouraged the US government to “take adequate steps towards gender parity at workplace, protect women from all forms of violence and enhance opportunities in education and health for children from ethnic minorities.”

The Indian ambassador also noted US “efforts towards maintaining respect for privacy and civil liberties while addressing dangers to national security” and requested the American delegation to share more information about this.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 May 2015 15:50

The revelations today that the Osama "hit" was a complete fraud,that he was sold out by the Paki military/ISI in cahoots with the US for a "fistful of $$$",and that they shot down an old unarmed man stripped of his protectors just before the raid,and dumped his body parts from the air along the way,shows why the US cannot be trusted at all.It also shows the pervert,amoral relationship between the US and Pak,and why India cannot ever expect it to abandon its favourite rent boy.Mr.Modi abnd co. should take a good hard look at the Indo-US relationship and not get tricked into a "peace in our time' with Pak.as Snake-Oil Singh was attempting to do at US behest.

http://www.infowars.com/seymour-hersh-b ... e-big-lie/
Seymour Hersh: Bin Laden Raid “One Big Lie”
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
September 27, 2013

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh says that the raid which killed Osama Bin Laden in 2011 is “one big lie” and that “not one word” of the Obama administration’s narrative on what happened is true.

In a wide-ranging interview published today by the Guardian, Hersh savages the US media for failing to challenge the White House on a whole host of issues, from NSA spying, to drone attacks, to aggression against Syria.

On the subject of the Navy Seal raid that supposedly resulted in the death of the Al-Qaeda terror leader, Hersh remarked, “Nothing’s been done about that story, it’s one big lie, not one word of it is true.”

Hersh added that the Obama administration habitually lies but they continue to do so because the press allows them to get away with it.

“It’s pathetic, they are more than obsequious, they are afraid to pick on this guy [Obama],” Hersh told the Guardian.

The raid that supposedly led to Bin Laden’s death has been shrouded in mystery for over two years. Speculation that the Obama administration may have embellished or outright lied about the true account of what happened has persisted, mainly because the White House has refused to publicly release images of Bin Laden’s body.

Although the White House said the corpse was immediately “buried at sea” in line with Islamic tradition, it quickly emerged that this was not standard practice.

Numerous analysts have claimed that Bin Laden had in fact been dead for years and that the raid on his alleged compound in Pakistan was little more than a stunt.

Other questions also persist, such as why the narrative and timeline of the raid has changed multiple times, why the White House initially claimed that “situation room” photos showed Obama watching the raid live when in fact there was a blackout on the live feed, and why neighbors in the immediate area surrounding the compound said with absolute certainty that they had never seen Bin Laden and that they knew of no evidence whatsoever to suggest he lived there.

During the rest of the Guardian interview, which is well worth reading in its entirety, Hersh lambastes the corporate press and particularly the New York Times, which he says spends “so much more time carrying water for Obama than I ever thought they would.”

Hersh’s solution is to shut down news networks like NBC and ABC and fire 90% of mainstream editors, replacing them with real journalists who are outsiders and not afraid to speak truth to power.

“The republic’s in trouble, we lie about everything, lying has become the staple,” concluded Hersh.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 12 May 2015 18:34

svenkat wrote:http://thewire.in/2015/05/12/india-suggests-us-set-to-up-national-human-rights-commission/

In response to a presentation made by the United States at the UN, India has welcomed the “openness of the US delegation in accepting areas of continuing concern such as racial bias in the criminal justice system; incidents of bias-motivated crimes including ‘those committed against Hindus and Sikhs'; and need for improved safety and living conditions at confinement facilities.”

Addressing the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva on Tuesday during the Universal Periodic Review in which the human rights record of all countries is discussed, India’s ambassador, Ajit Kumar, also said the disproportionate use of force by law enforcement agencies in the US and deficiencies in their procedures “are areas of concern”.

Among the suggestions India made was that the US consider establishing a national human rights commission, though Kumar did not elaborate on what the structure and mandate of such a commission would be.

The US in the past has found fault with the mandate of the Indian NHRC, with the State Department noting, for example, in its periodic report on the human rights situation in India, that the commission had no enforcement powers and “is not empowered to address allegations against military and paramilitary personnel.”

In his intervention at the US, the Indian ambassador also urged Washington to quickly ratify international conventions on the rights of the child (CRC), the elimination of discrimination against women (CEDAW) and on economic, cultural and social rights (CESCR).

India encouraged the US government to “take adequate steps towards gender parity at workplace, protect women from all forms of violence and enhance opportunities in education and health for children from ethnic minorities.”

The Indian ambassador also noted US “efforts towards maintaining respect for privacy and civil liberties while addressing dangers to national security” and requested the American delegation to share more information about this.

If true,this is very serious tamacha on unkil's H&D. More leathel then Chinese ambassdo shouting "shut-up" on US ambassdo.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 12 May 2015 18:53

^^ Looks like it is. Another news source:

India points out areas of 'concern' in US' rights record - IANS, Zee News

India made a few recommendations, including that the US "may consider establishing a national human rights institution".

"We encourage the US Government to take adequate steps towards gender parity at workplace, protect women from all forms of violence and enhance opportunities in education and health for children from ethnic minorities."

"We note efforts towards maintaining respect for privacy and civil liberties while addressing dangers to national security. We request the US delegation to share more information in this connection."

India also welcomed the developments towards better protection of the rights of indigenous peoples by the US.

"We recommend that the US consider early ratification of International Conventions relating to the Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR), Rights of the Child (CRC) and Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)."

Let's see how many other MSM outlets pick it up. So far, the headlines elsewhere are quite tame, Zee was the only one with this.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 May 2015 19:40

Guys, I don't know if this is the right place to post it, but I tell you, Nirbhaya was gang raped and murdered; but Leslee Udwin and now these silly Indian women doing some play in NY using her tragedy is the ultimate insult to her, and pity nobody can even point to that. Do these stupid wannbe Indian women really think that by doing this in front of whites in NY, somehow, Indian women will become Godesses, or as I was just mentioning, the whole thing is to get some notoriety on the western stage using a tragedy, and become celebrities like Frieda Pinto doing pole dancing?

http://www.nytimes.com/video/theater/10 ... bhaya.html

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 12 May 2015 20:54

>"arshyam" wrote:^^ Looks like it is. Another news source:

India points out areas of 'concern' in US' rights record - IANS, Zee News

India made a few recommendations, including that the US "may consider establishing a national human rights institution".

"We encourage the US Government to take adequate steps towards gender parity at workplace, protect women from all forms of violence and enhance opportunities in education and health for children from ethnic minorities."

"We note efforts towards maintaining respect for privacy and civil liberties while addressing dangers to national security. We request the US delegation to share more information in this connection."

India also welcomed the developments towards better protection of the rights of indigenous peoples by the US.

"We recommend that the US consider early ratification of International Conventions relating to the Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR), Rights of the Child (CRC) and Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)."
Let's see how many other MSM outlets pick it up. So far, the headlines elsewhere are quite tame, Zee was the only one with this.
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Great! Though, considering that USA funds a lot of Hyuman rights movements worldwide, there should be an avalanche of do gooder and heart bleeder NGOs within USA falling head over heals to welcome such steps for good of USA people within. Don't see anything AT ALL, NOT ONE NGO, welcoming so and so and such therein, and no one to welcome this and chatter about it within USA.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 12 May 2015 21:17

arshyam wrote:^^ Looks like it is. Another news source:

India points out areas of 'concern' in US' rights record - IANS, Zee News

India made a few recommendations, including that the US "may consider establishing a national human rights institution".

"We encourage the US Government to take adequate steps towards gender parity at workplace, protect women from all forms of violence and enhance opportunities in education and health for children from ethnic minorities."

"We note efforts towards maintaining respect for privacy and civil liberties while addressing dangers to national security. We request the US delegation to share more information in this connection."

India also welcomed the developments towards better protection of the rights of indigenous peoples by the US.

"We recommend that the US consider early ratification of International Conventions relating to the Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR), Rights of the Child (CRC) and Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)."
Let's see how many other MSM outlets pick it up. So far, the headlines elsewhere are quite tame, Zee was the only one with this.

Extraordinary progress from us. I had to check that this wasn't coming from fakingnews or someplace like that.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 May 2015 21:26

The obvious question to ask about the Hersh "revelations" is why one should believe that Osama is dead. I believe he has been seen with Elvis, Saddam and Adolf. In Karachi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 May 2015 21:43

May 2015 issue of Wired Magazine has cover story on women in high tech workforce. The numbers are pathetic. Worse there were no numbers.

So one young lady started a google docs spreadsheet for companies to self report their labor demographics. Only start-ups and small high tech companies self reported. All the big companies who talk big, big things did not!

If any of you can add to the data please do so.

She is a leader and a doer.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 12 May 2015 22:05

There is a big cultural thing in US that if girls are nerdy, they won't attract boys etc, and thats one of the reasons for so few women going to tech fields. Same issue with boys too, as geeks & nerds are derided and girls won't even speak to them, while the sports jocks get all the girls, and bully the geeks/nerds too. The constant stereotyping of geeks/nerds/sports jocks etc in their TV/movies doesn't help either.

This reflects on the ground. In major tech companies, majority of the women in tech roles (not counting HR/Marketing/Admins etc) are from India or Chinese(& other Asian countries). The percentage of white US women in core engineering is probably 10-20% of total women in engg field. Have seen/observed this trend in Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Cisco etc. No doubt its similar in other companies too.

There are many programs now to encourage girls to take up STEM subjects, but it also needs a cultural mindset change too, in the US

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 12 May 2015 22:40

I still think it is faking news!!

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 12 May 2015 22:52

fanne wrote:I still think it is faking news!!

Not sure if you are saying it in jest

However, Deccan herald is reporting same thing, reported by IANS...

India points out areas of 'concern' in US' rights record

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In a statement, India's Permanent Representative to the UN at Geneva Ajit Kumar acknowledged the "openness of the US delegation in accepting areas of continuing concern such as racial bias in the criminal justice system, incidents of bias-motivated crimes, including those committed against Hindus and Sikhs, and need for safety and living conditions at confinement facilities".

India made a few recommendations, including that the US "may consider establishing a national human rights institution".

"We encourage the US Government to take adequate steps towards gender parity at workplace, protect women from all forms of violence and enhance opportunities in education and health for children from ethnic minorities."

"We note efforts towards maintaining respect for privacy and civil liberties while addressing dangers to national security. We request the US delegation to share more information in this connection."

India also welcomed the developments towards better protection of the rights of indigenous peoples by the US.
"We recommend that the US consider early ratification of International Conventions relating to the Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR), Rights of the Child (CRC) and Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW)."
...

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 13 May 2015 04:11

CRamS wrote:Guys, I don't know if this is the right place to post it, but I tell you, Nirbhaya was gang raped and murdered; but Leslee Udwin and now these silly Indian women doing some play in NY using her tragedy is the ultimate insult to her, and pity nobody can even point to that. Do these stupid wannbe Indian women really think that by doing this in front of whites in NY, somehow, Indian women will become Godesses, or as I was just mentioning, the whole thing is to get some notoriety on the western stage using a tragedy, and become celebrities like Frieda Pinto doing pole dancing?

http://www.nytimes.com/video/theater/10 ... bhaya.html

Why are these leftist desi women so sick?.Why do they grow up as such evil shits? They need a cure ASAP.

There was a horrible rape in India and here comes the modern day parasitic carpetbaggers. These sick desi leftists Indian a-hole women (Poorna Jagannathan, and her smug face. What an evil trash) is trying to profit from it. Whats up with that? The New York Trash (NYT) that had filed for chapter 11 is trying to cash in on these tragedies using these dirts of India.

Think about this..The tamasha/The show this leftist slimeball is portraying is not watched by the "intended audience". Its watched by irrelevant folks who have no stake in the country or the people. They have not done an iota for the cause.

If they had traveled around India, putting up shows in towns and villages to bring awareness, that would have been helpful.

I despise the Indian political left more than the ISIS and the Taliban. These "upper middle class" cartoons who have nothing better to do are the worst!

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 13 May 2015 04:43

TIME FOR AFRICANS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS TO SAVE THEMSELVES FROM THE MENTAL TYRANNY OF CHRISTIANITY!

http://www.desicontrarian.com/?p=782

I always wondered why Black Africans and African Americans in America. in particular should worship the god of their tyrants. The god of the very people who enslaved them. The very people who use the Bible to justify murdering them, lynching them and keep them in the Ghettos in a perpetual slavery or near state of such acondition even today. They have been asked to worship a mythological blonde haired white person who somehow was born in the middle east to two white people. Even after 300 years of living as Christians, Black christian caste and white christian caste rarely fraternize and inter marry in America. IF you notice, there are plenty of white Christian caste missionary running around in Africa, but rarely would you see the children of these Christian evangelicals actually fraternize with Africans.. They do not even live in the same compound..They do not date nor marry., The absurdity is not only comical, its downright cruel and evil.

Even among the few Hindus in India who maintain social Endogamy of the caste, 99% of the temples are integrated.. People visit Temples all over India and no Indian cares about what the other persons caste is.. The worlds biggest gathering of Hindu faith is the Kumbha Mela, Hindus of all castes and creeds and economic persuasion meet without any violence or unpleasant encounter

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 13 May 2015 05:50

Suraj wrote:Extraordinary progress from us. I had to check that this wasn't coming from fakingnews or someplace like that.

Yeah, me too. That's why I searched for an MSM source for the same report, it sounded too good to be true. Even now, our MSM has largely ignored it, it's as though they don't really care. Time to take to SM and highlight the ones that actually reported it.

See this facepalm article - no mention of India's comments, PTI sees fit to report only Namibia's(!) comments.

UNHRC censures US over 'embedded racist structure' - PTI, Zee News

Geneva: A US delegation was censured by UNHRC members over severe lack of accountability rooted in systemic racist policies in human rights issues that has recently triggered unrest among the minority communities.

The questions from 117 country representatives who participated in the review "showed broad global concern that the US criminal justice system has deep flaws that need to be promptly addressed, particularly with regard to racial disparities," said Alba Morales of Human Rights Watch.

Namibia representative Gladice Pickering urged Washington to "fix the broken justice system that continues to discriminate... Despite recent waves of protest over racial profiling and police killings of unarmed black men."

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 May 2015 22:36

http://www.abplive.in/World/2015/05/13/ ... gest-faith

New York: Fueled by immigration, America's Hindu population has reached 2.23 million, an increase of about one million or 85.8 percent since 2007, making Hinduism the fourth-largest faith, according to estimates based on wide-ranging study of religions in the nation.The proportion of Hindus in the US population rose from 0.4 percent in 2007 to 0.7 percent last year, according to the Pew Research Center's "Religious Landscape Study" published Tuesday.The study only gave the percentage shares of Hindus in the population, rather than numbers, but calculations by IANS using the population proportions in the report and census projections showed that the number of Hindus rose from 1.2 million in 2007 out of a total US population of 301.2 million that year to 2.23 million in 2014 in a population of 318.88 million. This amounts to an increase of 1.03 million or 85.8 percent in the Hindu population during the seven-year period.Pew said that it may have underestimated the size of the Hindu population.An earlier report from Pew on the future of world religions in April said that by 2050, Hindus would make up 1.2 percent of the US population and number 4.78 million. This would make the US Hindu population the fifth largest in the world.Looking at the socio-economic profile of Hindus, the new Pew report released Tuesday said they had the highest education and income levels of all religious groups in the US: 36 percent of the Hindus said their annual family income exceeded $100,000, compared with 19 percent of the overall population. And 77 percent of Hindus have a bachelor's degree compared to 27 percent of all adults and 48 percent of the Hindus have a post-graduate degree.Even as some American Christian organisations push for proselytisation in India, their share of the US population fell by 7.8 percent during the seven-year period, from 78.4 percent in 2007 to 70.6 percent last year, the Pew study said. That works out to about 11 million fewer Christians.
The rising trend of Hinduism in the US contrasts with that in India. The Pew report released in April said that the share of Hindus in the Indian population was expected to decline by 2.8 percent, from 79.5 percent in 2010 to 76.7 percent in 2050 even though their numbers were projected to grow to almost 1.3 billion by that year in a total Indian population of nearly 1.7 billion.T Only 10 percent of the Hindus are converts, with Catholics and unaffiliated each accounting for 3 percent.
Hindus are least likely to convert to other religions, according to the report: Of all the America adults who said they were raised as Hindus, 80 percent continued to adhere to Hinduism. Of those born Hindu, who did not any longer identify themselves as Hindus, 18 percent said they had no religious affiliation (a category that includes atheists and agnostics), and only one percent joined Christian Protestant sects.Rajan Zed, the Nevada-based president of the Universal Society of Hinduism, attributed the high retention rate of Hinduism to "the focus on inner search, exploring the vast wisdom of scriptures and making spirituality more attractive to youth and children."Referring to the social and economic attributes of Hindus reported in the Pew study, told IANS, "The Hindu community in America is continuing with the traditional values of hard work, higher morals, stress on education, and sanctity of marriage amidst so many distractions."
These are the highlights of the Hindu community profile in the report:
* Hindus have the lowest divorce rate of only 5 percent.* Hindus are least likely to marry outside their religion: 91 percent have a spouse or partner who is a fellow Hindu.* The median age of Hindu adults is 33 years.* Five percent of San Francisco's population is Hindu and three percent of New York City's.* Most Hindus live in the West (38 percent) and the Northeast (33 percent).An anomaly in the report is that 62 percent of Hindus are men and 38 percent women, a difference of 24 percent, which may be due to the pattern of immigration.

durairaaj · Post by **durairaaj** » 13 May 2015 22:48

About Seymour Hersh's revelation:
This episode smells rotten. I think this is a false flag operation staged to discredit this journalist and his future works.

Seymour Hersh has done some real nice pieces of investigative journalism. He brought to light:
from Wiki
My Lai Massacre, Project Jennifer, KAL 007, Mordechai Vanunu and Robert Maxwell, Attack on pharmaceutical factory in Sudan
Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Death of Osama bin Laden, Syrian Civil War.

By feeding him a false narration along with never before told facts contradictory to the widely accepted version of events leading to Bin Laden's death they are discrediting him in the eyes of the public. Perhaps this is done to shut him off once for all as the future events planned by the deep state of US may be much more damning than the one that have happened already.

His report on the Ricin attack during the Syrian civil war is the turning point and the deep state is against him now.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 14 May 2015 03:33

vishvak wrote:...

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Great! Though, considering that USA funds a lot of Hyuman rights movements worldwide, there should be an avalanche of do gooder and heart bleeder NGOs within USA falling head over heals to welcome such steps for good of USA people within. Don't see anything AT ALL, NOT ONE NGO, welcoming so and so and such therein, and no one to welcome this and chatter about it within USA.

So why don't we fund a few NGOs in the US? I mean we fund US citizens to do good work just as the US does and wants to in India?

The amount involved would be trifling given how you can use social media to leverage.

What's missing is strategic will and follow -through. Our *blind men of Hindoostan* are inwardly focused. We are navel gazers instead of naval explorers.

NaMo, IMHO grasps this. He is criticized for so many foreign trips (52 days over the last year) by that born again management consultant (RG). Fact is many major problems have domestic roots but foreign solutions.

We have to counter the propaganda of the deep state on their shores not ours. Funding such things as a Global Human Rights Commission for Racial, Ethnic, Class, Gender, Sexual Preference and Religious Discrimination based in India would be a start. It would cost $10MM to get started and funded virally thereafter.

Takes imagination and will, Ajit Doval are you listening?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 May 2015 11:37

India still a pawn on the strategy board - G.Parthasarathy, Business Line

Ever since the Nixon-Mao honeymoon commenced in 1971, India has periodically faced an alliance of the US, an avowed champion of democratic freedoms, China, a one-party communist state, and Pakistan, a theocratic Sunni state more often than not ruled by its military. The visceral dislike that these three countries displayed in 1971 towards India is well documented.

The Clinton administration thereafter spent its first six years in office almost exclusively focused on an effort to “cap, roll back and eliminate” India’s nuclear programme while deliberately turning a blind eye to China’s transfer of nuclear weapons designs, uranium enrichment capabilities, plutonium production and reprocessing technology, and missile production facilities to Pakistan. This was coupled with pressures on India on the issue of Jammu and Kashmir, including through the establishment of contacts with Hurriyat separatists. Even today, the US seldom raises its voice against the violation of NSG guidelines by China when it supplies nuclear reactors to Pakistan.

A viable balance

There were certainly welcome changes in the US approach to India during the George Bush Jr presidency, most notably symbolised by the India-US Nuclear Deal which cleared the way for the end of global nuclear sanctions that India had faced earlier. While India did not get overly concerned about Colin Powell declaring Pakistan a “major non-NATO ally”, there were early warning signs about the propensities of the incoming Obama administration to re-hyphenate relations with India and Pakistan. There were also concerns when Beijing was virtually given the role of jointly overseeing developments in South Asia with Washington. But the hard realities of Chinese assertiveness and global ambitions soon challenged American interests. India became an important partner for the US, primarily to preserve American global supremacy, by establishing a viable balance of power in Asia.

India does find itself well positioned by its partnership with the US in its ‘Look East’ policies, especially in forums like the East Asia Summit and when working with countries such as Japan, Australia and Vietnam. One must, however, acknowledge that while we have tried to be on the same page with the Obama administration on developments in Afghanistan, things have changed substantially, ever since Osama bin Laden was killed by US navy seals in Abbottabad.

As far as President Obama was concerned, the killing really marked the beginning of “Mission Accomplished” in Afghanistan. It made no sense any longer for the US to expend Americans lives and resources in that country. A process of “reconciliation” with the Taliban, which was no longer described as a “terrorist organisation”, but as an “insurgent group”, commenced.

Best buddies

In these circumstances, US policy on Pakistan shifted from one of ‘carrot and stick’ to one of ‘carrots’ alone. The Kerry-Lugar legislation cleared the way for a resumption of military assistance to the tune of around $1 billion. What is, however, amazing, is the manner in which the process of “reconciliation” with the Taliban has been conducted.

While professing that this process is “Afghan-led” and “Afghan-owned”, the US has actually co-opted China and Pakistan as the lead players in virtually guiding the so-called “reconciliation” process. China, which has hardly provided any economic assistance to Afghanistan and only sought to exploit its natural resources after the ouster of the Taliban regime with which it had a cosy relationship, now hosts Taliban delegations in Beijing. Amidst all this, the Taliban attacks the Park Palace Guest House in Kabul where Indian expatriates reside, killing four Indian nationals. Washington, enamoured by the Taliban and reportedly prepared to accept Taliban nominees as governors of southern Afghan provinces, was too preoccupied to condemn this attack.

The recent controversy over alleged Pakistani army collusion in the killing of Osama bin Laden actually saw an influential former CIA official tell CNN that it was the CIA’s assessment that only low-level ISI officials may have known of bin Laden’s whereabouts. He added that the CIA was persuaded that neither army chief Gen Kayani nor ISI chief Shuja Pasha had any knowledge of bin Laden’s presence, barely 40 km away from the capital Islamabad. Yet, one of Pakistan’s most distinguished journalists, Najam Sethi, revealed that even President Musharraf knew that bin Laden was in Abbottabad!

Recognising the reality

New Delhi has to recognise that the support it has got from the Obama administration in nailing the 26/11 perpetrators has been lukewarm. While Denmark received preferred access to David Headley, we were made to cool our heels for months. Moreover, under US law, the mastermind Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi and others can be tried in US courts as six US nationals were killed in Mumbai. The fact that the US is not prepared to do this indicates a lack of seriousness on its part to bring the perpetrators of 26/11 to justice, evidently because such an action will expose the role of the ISI.

A recent report of the US Congressional Research Service has revealed that in its desperation to get Pakistani support for a smooth withdrawal from Afghanistan, the US is set to supply Pakistan a number of its surplus weapons in Afghanistan, under its ‘excess defence articles’ (EDA) provisions. Logically the US should be providing the weapons it is leaving behind under the EDA scheme to Afghanistan which lacks air power and logistical assets, apart from heavy equipment such as armoured personnel carriers. Washington is instead gifting Pakistan with 14 advanced F-16 A/B Fighting Falcon strike aircraft, 59 T-37 military trainer jets and 374 M-113 armoured personnel carriers. The Obama administration is working with Rawalpindi, not only to legitimise and empower the Taliban, but also to freely enhance its air power and armoured capabilities.

While the Obama administration wishes to use New Delhi to counter the rising power of China, it appears simultaneously set on undermining India’s security with its doublespeak on terrorism and its policies on Afghanistan and Pakistan. Is this what the “India-US strategic partnership” is all about?

The author is a former High Commissioner to Pakistan

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 May 2015 11:55

I think its worth repeating. There can never be a strategic partnership with the US and India. It can only be a limited transactional relationship. Anyone thinking there can be any aspect of the relationship that is consistent enough to be termed strategic is smoking some high quality stuff.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 21 May 2015 19:58

The only consistent standard that USA seem to have is 'balancing' stuff it is preaching - i.e. equal==equal policies - while China is silent about it altogether. All other standards seem to be selective, be it upholding NSG guidelines when the Chinese supply pakis with nuke reactors or peace pipe with Talibs in Afghanistan or punishing ISI and deep paki state in bin Laden episode or 26/11 terror attacks or designating terror munna as major non-NATO ally. So what is the point listening to such 'balancing' stuff since it is obviously not a policy approved by U.N.

Or may be it is flipped as an alternative since the UN can't do anything about issues brought to it ie 'Kashmir dispute', which will not be resolved to make standing disputes normal against Indian state.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 May 2015 20:06

SS, Looks like the US, PRC relationship and India thread thought process has finally hit mainstream.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 21 May 2015 20:36

vishvak wrote: So what is the point listening to such 'balancing' stuff since it is obviously not a policy approved by U.N.

That is the wrong view of the UN's overall role as an org -- it is a forum for the P5 countries to lord it over the non-P5 countries and nothing the UN does is in the interest of the non-P5 countries, period. It is only the stupidity of the Nehru-phile fools in the MEA and elsewhere that the UN has occupied a place of undeserved importance in the Indian worldview, given how the MEA and the GoI are still wasting a lot of govt. resources trying to break into the P5 rather than doing all it can to make the UN ineffective and ignoring all of the UN's diktats.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 May 2015 05:44

http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2015/05/26/mo ... ter-slump/
Modi, Turnaround Artist: U.S.-India Ties Revived After Slump
by Alyssa Ayres

But in all the retrospection, few analyses have addressed India’s relationship with the United States in any detail. Perhaps that’s why the opposition Congress party’s former information and broadcasting minister Manish Tewari had this to say on a popular talk show, The Big Fight:
“There is no rejuvenation of the relationship with the United States of America. You’ve not taken it to the next level, for example the NSG or the NPT…there is no energy to that relationship.” [segment begins at 19:18]This simply does not hold true, and the portrayal hurts efforts to insulate the U.S.-India relationship from the vagaries of political change. The facts bear out that Modi, defying expectations, has approached Washington pragmatically and in the process recovered momentum for a relationship that had hit rocky shoals during late 2013 and early 2014. Are there initiatives moving slowly, or areas that still need work? Of course. But Modi deserves credit for the turnaround in ties undertaken on his watch—especially in tone, tempo, and trajectory.
Tone: Less than a year and a half ago, relations between Washington and New Delhi had ruptured over the arrest of the deputy Indian consul general, Devyani Khobragade, in New York. At a time when substantial disputes over economic matters had already rankled, the Khobragade matter plunged the relationship to a new low. Bilateral meetings stalled, and the overall atmosphere soured. Against this backdrop, many observers worried that a Modi government might view the United States with suspicion if not disfavor, given his own experience with the 2005 visa denial. Instead, Modi set a tone that moved this past aside—to the benefit of citizens in both countries. Within a few months of coming into office he made his headline visit to the United States, and four months later broke precedent by hosting President Obama as his guest at Republic Day. The bitterness of recent disputes has vanished. It has been replaced by a sense of optimism and mutual goodwill.
Tempo: It’s worth remembering how many of the promising U.S.-India initiatives seemed to simply lose steam in the last couple years of the United Progressive Alliance government. As someone then working to advance ties with India at the State Department, I certainly felt that at the time. It was hard to see a way forward on commercialization of the civil nuclear agreement; the proposed Defense Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI) had proposals but no clear uptake; the trade bureaucracies on both sides had not met for the Trade Policy Forum in years. Each of these crucial areas under the Modi government has at last advanced to their next phases, with an agreement announced on civil nuclear commerce, a selection of DTTI projects specified, and at long last a meeting of the Trade Policy Forum last fall. It doesn’t mean everything is easy—civil nuclear commerce remains a thorny subject, and India and the United States have many disagreements on trade matters—but at least processes have again begun to move.
Trajectory: The Modi government has unambiguously signaled a desire for a close and productive partnership with Washington. That does not mean an alliance, but it has meant a willingness to signal publicly Indian interest in aligning with the United States when New Delhi finds it helpful to its own interests. Modi’s Republic Day invitation to Obama marked the symbolic expression of this process, but it is reflected in policy terms as well. For example, India and the United States have been deepening consultations on the Asia-Pacific over the course of the last five years, documented through various joint statements and remarks to the press—but it wasn’t until the Republic Day summit that New Delhi and Washington issued a “Joint Strategic Vision for the Indian Ocean and the Asia Pacific Region.”\
Tone, tempo, and trajectory all matter, and it’s a credit to Modi that bilateral relations have revived after a tough period. That doesn’t mean all problems have been put to rest; there’s plenty of work ahead. It’s also true that many of the economic concerns that had so hobbled Indo-U.S. relations during 2013 and 2014 continue. Arbitrary tax enforcement and industry-specific fears about Indian intellectual property rules, for example, have kept some American investors, otherwise looking at India with renewed interest, in a wait-and-see mode. But that’s what the market mechanism means.The good news is that these disputes can be worked on in an atmosphere free of the acrimony that hampered advances as recently as a year and a half ago. So full marks to Modi for his first year managing ties with Washington. Hope the next four bring as much promise and even more concrete gains.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 May 2015 15:09

India is nothing more in US eye as a motley assortment of a billion+"Injuns",who need to stay on their reservation and let the "Great White Chief" attend to all matters of global importance,handing out wampum and moonshine to the "Injuns" from time to time,receiving their tribute as well. Oh by the way....whenever needed,to scare away rival nations even crossing the dark waters in their millions to war-whoop and war-whack the Great White Chief's enemies of the moment!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 27 May 2015 16:59

LokeshC wrote:I think its worth repeating. There can never be a strategic partnership with the US and India. It can only be a limited transactional relationship. Anyone thinking there can be any aspect of the relationship that is consistent enough to be termed strategic is smoking some high quality stuff.

GOTUS built the PRC China as the Asian pivot over the last 40 years to get the kind of leverage it has now.

India has to have a strategy to make sure it is not inside a geo political trap and a pawn of the US China relationship. Indian leadership cannot be lax about this and need to build a global trade for Indian economy

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 May 2015 19:33

India needs China to help make Asia free from Western domination in order to end colonialism in all its forms.

China is still allowing its reptilian brain to dominate its mind and that needs pacification. The message is not yet going to the limbic and neo-cortex which is where the higher thinking can take place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain

JLN and the Congress were essentially the Brown EIC extended and China still feels the heat of the Opium wars. IOW Congress system stoked the reptilian brain of China which is about survival.: fight or flight response.

NaMo is embarking on trying to actualize the other parts of the triune model.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 29 May 2015 16:26

To those who are still confused about the india, china and US relationship, try to look at it from the perspective of the limited nature of resources on this planet. The cookie jar can accept 1-2 hands at the most at a time. With china(US china pop is 218 mill vs 1.4 bill) transitioning into a higher standard of living, this'll eventually create pressure and develop a confrontation. And with a non-western block challenging the US currency, it is creating parallel pressure on the current status quo of global trade and economics.

Climate change used to be a myth but its now a reality. Tectonic plates have been moving around and changing the landscape since the formation of the planet. This is a projected map accounting for tectonic shifts 100 mill years from now.

While the asian continent will be consumed by desserts, much of the african and american continents are going to get submerged. This means changes will be more severe in that part of the world than us. Just see how the rising sea levels affects the eastern vs western continents in the next 50 years. This'll effect geopolitics.

chandrasekhar.m · Post by **chandrasekhar.m** » 30 May 2015 10:42

US human rights commission to hold briefing on violence against religious minorities in India

UPCOMING:
Violence Against Religious Minorities in India

BRIEFING
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 03, 2015
9:30 AM
CVC NORTH MEETING ROOM 268
This briefing will take place at 9:30 AM on 6/3/2015, in CVC North Meeting Room 268.
The briefing is open to members of Congress, congressional staff, the media and the interested public.

DATE Wednesday, June 03, 2015
TIME 9:30 AM
LOCATION CVC North Meeting Room 268
BACKGROUND Please join Rep. Patrick Meehan, co-chair of the American Sikh Caucus, and Reps. Joseph Pitts and Jim McGovern, co-chairs of the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission, for an important briefing on violence against Muslims, Christians and other religious minorities in India.

India’s constitution guarantees that “all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion.” However, attacks against Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and Dalits have increased in recent years. A 2015 report by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom asked the Obama Administration to press the Indian government to publicly rebuke officials and religious leaders who endorse these hateful acts. In February, President Obama described religious targeting and attacks in India in recent years as “acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhi, the person who helped to liberate that nation.” {President Obama's words are still circulating around, I see}

This briefing will outline {only outline, eh? More fun meetings ahead then to do detailed drain inspections} the important legal, social and cultural issues related to the persecution of minorities in India. The panelists will also make recommendations as to how the United States can play a role to safeguard religious minorities in India and around the world.

WITNESS LIST
• Rev. Dr. Joshva Raja, Research Supervisor, University of Amsterdam
• Dr. Iqtidar Karamat Cheema, Director, Institute for Leadership and Community Development, UK
• Professor Gurdarshan Sing Dhillon, Professor of History (retired), Punjab University, India
• Sahar Chaudhry, Senior Policy Analyst, United States Commission on International Religious Freedom
• John Sifton, Asia Advocacy Director, Human Rights Watch {Looks like only one white man is there. A sad day indeed}
The briefing is open to Members, staff and the public. {Perhaps members with free time can attend. There won't be any chai-biskoot though, I guess.} If you have any questions please contact Jim Gray (for Rep. Meehan) at 202-225-2011, Carson Middleton (for Rep. Pitts) at 202-225-2411 or Soo Choi (for Rep. McGovern) at 202-225-3599.
Joseph R. Pitts
Co-Chair, TLHRC James P. McGovern
Co-Chair, TLHRC

I personally feel the positive news thread is where I should have posted this, what with the flood of violence against minorities in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

The above is making the rounds in Indian newspapers too.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 30 May 2015 11:05

I get the feeling that Professor Gurdarshan Sing Dhillon does not reside in India. If that be true, no one from India is traveling this time to depose. The Priya Pillai episode seems to have deterred most India resident India haters at least temporarily.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 30 May 2015 12:32

nvishal wrote:To those who are still confused about the india, china and US relationship, try to look at it from the perspective of the limited nature of resources on this planet. The cookie jar can accept 1-2 hands at the most at a time. With china(US china pop is 218 mill vs 1.4 bill) transitioning into a higher standard of living, this'll eventually create pressure and develop a confrontation. And with a non-western block challenging the US currency, it is creating parallel pressure on the current status quo of global trade and economics.

Climate change used to be a myth but its now a reality. Tectonic plates have been moving around and changing the landscape since the formation of the planet. This is a projected map accounting for tectonic shifts 100 mill years from now.

While the asian continent will be consumed by desserts, much of the african and american continents are going to get submerged. This means changes will be more severe in that part of the world than us. Just see how the rising sea levels affects the eastern vs western continents in the next 50 years. This'll effect geopolitics.

NaMo should plan for this well in advance else he would be an utter failure.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 30 May 2015 15:34

^chaanakya

What does NaMo alone have to do with securing water supplies to north india?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 30 May 2015 15:50

My point exactly.