India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby SaiK » 17 Dec 2015 02:26

habal (my spell check corrects you to 'habit'), can we get to the deep concerns here if you think it is important. I have the strongest feelers that from SH to F414s and EMALS, including M777 and other manufacturing will be made in India (some parts or whole body) depending on the scratch back. you know there is no Russian supply without scratching their backs. it is a question of tabling the concerns and taking a trade-off.

so, can you please list your concerns here.

also, note: we have failed (it is, of course, relative term Indic context) with regards to delivering to our forces the needed force multipliers and weapon systems., as we would like to have it in time. no one org needs to be blamed.

let us take this from bullet (concerns) points to data (solutions) points.

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Postby disha » 22 Dec 2015 00:27


An e-mail sent by the Air India sales team asking its staff not to issue air tickets to students travelling to San Francisco with admissions to Silicon Valley University, San Jose, and North Western Polytechnic University, Fremont, both in California, resulted in the airline stopping 19 students at the Shamshabad airport on Saturday night.
The e-mail stated: “The students travelling to SFO with student visa and i20 from the following universities are not to be issued tickets as the two universities are blacklisted. Please inform all your staff and care to be taken while issuing the tickets.”
Students who booked their tickets with Air India were in for a rude shock when they were stopped by the airline staff at the airport. Students alleged that their colleagues taking other airlines had been allowed to travel.
Students got into arguments with the airline staff, asking how they could be stopped when they had been issued visas.
They also questioned the authenticity of the e-mail, saying that it did not have an authorised signatory or stamp of the United States government, stating that the two universities were blacklisted.
Air India staff replied that they had received the e-mail from the airline’s San Francisco office and they were just implementing orders.
“We inquired with officials of both these universities and our friends who are studying there. They told us that there was no problem with these universities and not to believe in such rumours,” said Deepak, a resident of Habsiguda.
Both universities posted a clarification on their official websites stating that they were not blacklisted by the US government and that stricter security measures had been imposed by US Customs and border security personnel on account of the recent Paris attack terror threats.
Air India officials said the airline management would refund the tickets.



^^^ Above is a good thing. Both of the above "universities" are sham universities.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby svinayak » 22 Dec 2015 04:11

There is a EJ connection

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby UlanBatori » 22 Dec 2015 05:17

These ppl give goonda-VC engg colleges a bad name.
It's basically an old strip-mall grocery store converted to a few small rooms and some big rooms with '802b' connectivity.
Be sure to read the "About us". :shock:

Tuition $325/credit hour, Lawd knows what other 'fees' are charged.
Arre, beta to Silicon Valley ki yoonivarjity se hi degree le liya


108/Credit hours
Doctoral of Computer Engineering
:roll:

Thing is, this is accredited according to their website by the guvrmand of Khali - Phony.

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Postby Shreeman » 22 Dec 2015 05:26

A_Gupta wrote:On the STFUP thread, the question was asked, what is US Congressman Dana Rohrabacher's current views on Khalistan (fifteen years ago he was a supporter of Khalistan).

It is difficult to find out a particular Congress critter's current views, however, the US Congressional Record can be searched at thomas.gov.

The last legislative action is quite old:
H.Con.Res.37 — 105th Congress (1997-1998)
Expressing the sense of Congress that the Sikh Nation should be allowed to exercise the right of national self-determination in their homeland, Punjab, Khalistan.
Sponsor: Rep. Condit, Gary A. [D-CA-18]


The last committee report is from 2004, Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness
``Decades of Terror: Exploring Human Rights Abuses in Kashmir and the Disputed Territories,'' May 12, 2004; Serial No. 108-212

a. Summary.--This hearing was held to examine the ongoing Kashmir land dispute between India and Pakistan, specifically the resulting egregious human rights violations, including
summary executions, rape, and routine beatings.

b. Witnesses.--Michael Kozak, Principal Duputy Assistant Secretary of the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor at DOS; Don Camp of the Bureau of South Asian Affairs at DOS; T.
Kumar of Amnesty International; Bob Giuda of the Americans for Resolution of Kashmir; Dr. Ghulam-Nabi Fai of the Kashmiri American Council; Dr. Gurmit Singh Aulakh of the Council of
Khalistan; Attiya Inayatullah
; and Selig Harrison of the Center for International Policy.


The last times Khalistan was mentioned in the Congressional Record (speeches on the floor of the Congress, or extension of remarks) were:

1. COMMEMORATING THE LIFE OF SARDAR GANGA SINGH DHILLON, November 14, 2014
(HON. GERALD E. CONNOLLY) Sardar Dhillon was a proponent of Khalistan.

We then have to go back into 2007.

2. INDIAN INTELLIGENCE PLANS TO ASSASSINATE SIKH LEADERS, December 13, 2007
(HON. EDOLPHUS TOWNS) Places on record Gurmit Singh Aulakh's claim that India was planning the assassination of Khalistani leaders.

There is a whole bunch of other stuff from Edolphus Towns in 2007 (don't worry, he retired in 2013).


It is no more difficult than emailing and/or calling his office. 2016 is around the corner and they do pick up the phones.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Amber G. » 22 Dec 2015 06:42

^^^ Also (wrt to Dana Rohrabacher - Jilted by Pakis..)
You can also see this brf post
or
His own words (<2 min video )

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Postby Manish_P » 22 Dec 2015 09:16

^ From the video

"Plagued with corruption and oppression by it's own goverment"

Not the military eh... so the solution is not to have a goverment :mrgreen:

"The F-16s we provided are being used against their own people"

Instead of use against those dang injuns, as we expected :P

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Postby Singha » 22 Dec 2015 11:04

saw the video of silicon valley univ...whew almost anything can register as a univ it seems and game the OPT system.

even brf nukkad teaches better and more than SVU.

have to wonder where their doctorates ply their trade :rotfl:

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Postby Zynda » 22 Dec 2015 12:23

Singha wrote:saw the video of silicon valley univ...whew almost anything can register as a univ it seems and game the OPT system.

even brf nukkad teaches better and more than SVU.

have to wonder where their doctorates ply their trade :rotfl:


Question is, why didn't US consulate reject student visa applications in India itself? Usually students go a couple of months ahead of departure date for visa stamping. Were those universities "banned" recently? Couldn't the US consulate some how inform them students not to travel to US on that particular visa since the university is banned or under investigation? I also understand that US Immigration is a two-step process. The officer at the port of entry has every right to deny entry of a visitor to US. Still I feel that consulate could have informed the individuals as soon as the ban came in to effect and could have saved those students & their families lot of grief.

The intent of students is crystal clear...wanted to land in US and start earning money ASAP...though one can't blame them. Their actions were completely "legal" and thought there was no wrongdoing!

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby g.sarkar » 22 Dec 2015 12:36

Manish_P wrote:
"The F-16s we provided are being used against their own people"

Instead of use against those dang injuns, as we expected :P

As the man said: The only good Injun is a dead Injun.
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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ramana » 23 Dec 2015 03:23

Zynda, Could be an EJ connection tying all these for profit utys and visa racket.

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Postby UlanBatori » 23 Dec 2015 03:44

EJ connection is a likely answer to "Y eej Conjulate giving vijas"? And why AI was asked to take the initiative.
Meanwhile they routinely reject visa applications from top students admitted with financial aid to the real engg. institutions. Actually the email did not say WHOSE blacklist was adorned with these dumps...

Wonder if CIIS is on the 'list' too...
Berkeley Haas Program for Terrorism and Communal Riots in India? If not, y not.. :mrgreen:

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Postby Prem » 23 Dec 2015 05:19

UlanBatori wrote:EJ connection is a likely answer to "Y eej Conjulate giving vijas"? And why AI was asked to take the initiative.
Meanwhile they routinely reject visa applications from top students admitted with financial aid to the real engg. institutions. Actually the email did not say WHOSE blacklist was adorned with these dumps... Wonder if CIIS is on the 'list' too... Berkeley Haas Program for Terrorism and Communal Riots in India? If not, y not.. :mrgreen


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Postby Singha » 23 Dec 2015 08:41

imo under legal system I think they had to pay fines and may be under investigation but not yet shut down. US is a free for all education market and makes a lot of $$ from fee paying students from various places enrolling in tier3 places. even if the 'degree' has no gold value there, it might have some value for dowry pay bands and for filing h1 through shady consulting firms.

but I find it mystifying why genuine students to good univs get rejected and this lot got through....only a EJ connection could explain it or they could huge family bank balance and US just decided to take the money.

Aus and UK are running the same thing trying to suck up our money to subsidize their own students, aggressively holding univ enrollment camps here.

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Postby UlanBatori » 24 Dec 2015 16:48

Update: Why Air India was stopping students to these places.

The US on Thursday regretted the impact of deportation of Indian students bound for two California schools and said it was closely following the situation after the incident, facts of which were still being collected.
The statement by US ambassador D1ck Worm-A came a day after India advised its students to defer their travel to the US till the matter of denial of entry to those students holding valid visas was resolved.
"The embassy is aware of reports that some students bound for two California schools were denied entry by Customs and Border Protection. We regret the impact this may have had on certain students and their families.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby Hari Seldon » 25 Dec 2015 08:25

Prof. Vamsee Juloori in ToI: (Couldn't find the URL)
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Postby TSJones » 25 Dec 2015 12:15

Stealing from our silence: American Indophobia has led to the demonisation of Indians as “job stealers”

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... r-silence/

why does the US have to tolerate other country's national emigration schemes such as Mexico and India?

you guys don't like bangladeshis flooding your borders. I know that for a fact.

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Dec 2015 13:54

When the US exports fighter planes to Pakistan, it is called AID. Defense Aid.
So when India and China export smart ppl to the US it is also properly called AID. Intel Aid.
When Mexico exports hard-working, energetic ppl to the US it is also properly AID. Physical Aid.

The article explains why the US needs such aid, because obviously many there can't figure it out 4 themselves. It must be the lead in the water, because the moment they landed there from Oirope centuries ago, they seemed to become as smart as the National Bird.

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Postby member_22733 » 25 Dec 2015 14:00

Boooohoo. You yeeeevil yindooooooos.
On a less serious positive note:
Why did the native Americans tolerate illegal eurotrash immigrants.... I wonder.

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Postby johneeG » 25 Dec 2015 14:36

Tour de force by Vamsi Juluri. Very well written particularly exposing the hypocrisy of the western humanities even though the article is about economics.


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Postby Viv S » 27 Dec 2015 20:22

TSJ has a fair point when it comes to immigration. Ancient historical injustices aside, its perfectly logical for the US to restrict even skilled immigration in an era of depressed wages (despite record low umemployment). Probably wouldn't achieve much and might even hit competitiveness, especially compounded by a strengthening dollar, but that's a different issue.

The US' stance on outsourcing, on the other hand, reeks of hypocrisy, coming as it does from the champion of free trade and globalisation.

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Postby TSJones » 27 Dec 2015 20:32

I would point out that the US is a leading economy in outsourcing. So there is plenty hypocrisy being committed around the globe by other countries.

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Postby NRao » 27 Dec 2015 21:38

Prof Juluri's (Prof at Univ of San Fransisco?) article has many flaws, including the one about Americans buying Chinese stuff. In fact, when the first "global economy" theory was paraded it started with allowing trucks between Mexico, the US and Canada, way back in the Clinton era. Though it provided a lot of benefits, it was also opposed on the grounds of people being unemployed - which did happen. There were no visas involved, it was plain trucks that were allowed to cross borders without having to follow the rules/regulations of three nations (at that time one had to unload trucks from the exporting nation and load trucks from the importing nation at the border - the trucks on all side were the same size, weight, 18 wheelers, etc. So, the three nations signed an agreement to allow the trucks to roll through. BUT, *all* those people/businesses that were involved with unloading/loading/etc lost). And, as a FYI for Prof Juluri, they protested then and they are protesting now too. However, they can act on the H-1, that is the diff.

I have lost a lot because of H-1, but I have also reinvented myself many a times in the past 10-15 years. But that is relatively easy in IT, but so easy in manufacturing (but, it is happening there too).

However, IF India is going to argue about H-1's in 2015-16, I do not hold much hope for India. It will only produce followers. And, much like what is happening to China, India will stagnate when it reaches a certain stage.

India needs to do two things: recover her underground economy, look inwards for growth (much as China is looking to do today) and make changes to accommodate new thinking to support the growth engine (risk?).

This H-1 business is getting stale and will not work for India. Low level thinking.

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Postby A_Gupta » 27 Dec 2015 22:01

We are told things like this:
The 500 largest American companies hold more than $2.1 trillion in accumulated profits offshore to avoid U.S. taxes and would collectively owe an estimated $620 billion in U.S. taxes if they repatriated the funds


First, note that the $2.1 trillion is accumulated profits; not revenue.

Second, note that compared to that, Indian H-1 business is really tiny. That $2.1 trillion is 30 years of outsourcing at $70 billion an year.

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Postby TSJones » 27 Dec 2015 22:03

well stated NRAO, and I concur.

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Postby A_Gupta » 27 Dec 2015 22:34

The point is that objectively speaking, the big economic problem for the USA to solve is how to get their biggest corporations to bring their profits home and re-invest in the USA; compared to this problem the H-1 "job stealers" problem is a really tiny one.

What is good for India is a different matter altogether, and I have not commented on that.

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Postby member_22733 » 27 Dec 2015 22:55

Ya'll should watch the excellent series on "Prohibition" on KPBS:
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/sep/30/pr ... ypocrites/

Would know the meaning of "eurotrash illegal immigrants phrase" that I used above. Every generation has this fear of "who is american", "what deines American". And every branch of new immigrants had to fight (non-violently) ofcourse to get accepted.

The difference in case of Indians, is the unique combination of racially motivated hatred that is generated in the "indology" pseudo-science mills and also the colonized sepoys that prevents anyone from putting a unified face in the face of opposition from anti-immigrant retards trying to define "who is american".

A large part of our "close the door behind us" attitude does not help either. That article was largely pointing towards internal US issues, since a gun-trotting hillbilly wont know the difference between brown skinned American born Indian origin guy and one Fresh Of the Boat from India.

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Postby vera_k » 27 Dec 2015 22:57

NRao wrote:However, IF India is going to argue about H-1's in 2015-16, I do not hold much hope for India. It will only produce followers. And, much like what is happening to China, India will stagnate when it reaches a certain stage.


India pursuing what benefits one industry does not imply anything more than that. Just like when the USA pursues solar or grain exports to India does not imply anything more than pursuit of local jobs. Note, it would be one thing if the H1-B or L1 programs were eliminated altogether, as that would disadvantage everyone equally. But if they continue to exist, India is within rights to ensure its industry is not disadvantaged when using the programs.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby ramana » 27 Dec 2015 23:17

Folks should read
Panchatantra tale
Brahmin and the tiger.

Especially the four witless witnesses testimony.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby NRao » 28 Dec 2015 03:13

Such stats are worthless, but let me play along .............

A_Gupta wrote:We are told things like this:
The 500 largest American companies hold more than $2.1 trillion in accumulated profits offshore to avoid U.S. taxes and would collectively owe an estimated $620 billion in U.S. taxes if they repatriated the funds


First, note that the $2.1 trillion is accumulated profits; not revenue.

Second, note that compared to that, Indian H-1 business is really tiny. That $2.1 trillion is 30 years of outsourcing at $70 billion an year.


That is from a US corporate (not am janata) (more on that below) point of view.

The equivalent from an Indian point of view, from wiki:

(Indian) GDP $2.182 trillion (Nominal, October 2015)[3] Increase $8.02 trillion (PPP, October 2015)[3]


So too the H-1 contribution to the Indian economy is "really tiny".

So, irrespective of who is making monies, it is minute.

BUT, the real dynamics is always lost in such silly stats. So, see below.

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby sanjaykumar » 28 Dec 2015 03:23

Would know the meaning of "eurotrash illegal immigrants phrase" that I used above. Every generation has this fear of "who is american", "what deines American". And every branch of new immigrants had to fight (non-violently) ofcourse to get accepted.


Benjamin Franklin recorded his distress at the alien German hordes invading America. The majority of white Americans are of Germanic stock today.

Just part of the story of America. Wouldn't get too excited.

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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Dec 2015 03:35

NRao wrote:That is from a US corporate (not am janata) (more on that below) point of view.


Yes, and who is it that is outsourcing to India, and elsewhere, and in general offshoring large components of the US economy? - it is US corporations, not the mom-and-pop businesses and not the government, and not the aam janataa. Attacking H1s is attacking the demand side, not the supply side. If there are not H1s, then US corporations will increasingly not locate offices in the US, but work outside, where they can continue finding the lowest cost labor to do whatever.
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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Dec 2015 03:38

Tarek Fatah on NDTV, on the love-hate relationship with India, around minute 3 of this youtube: https://youtu.be/xUboZFKXkrE?t=3m

Rough translation - In India (in your audience), ask anyone, whether they be Muslim, Hindu, or Sikh: to be anti-American is seen as a sign of being intellectually bright.

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Postby NRao » 28 Dec 2015 03:52

So, what matter?

"stealing our jobs" has a face, a family, bills to pay, kids in college, etc. What it is NOT is statistics.

"stealing our jobs" are people and NOT a corporation.

A corporation - as shown above, which evades taxes - would LOVE more H-1 resources in the US. In fact, this "Indophobia" has come out of such a corporate greed (both the client and the consultancy).

And, when a certain threshold is exceeded, then certain events becomes predictable (see below). In the US the option for the citizen is to approach his/her rep in gov, who may (or may not) decide to regulate the situation. And that is not a "phobia", it is a normal reaction. Why not?

I can ask that question because I have been impacted by H-1s (very badly).

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Postby NRao » 28 Dec 2015 03:56

Yes, and who is it that is outsourcing to India, and elsewhere, and in general offshoring large components of the US economy? - it is US corporations, not the mom-and-pop businesses and not the government, and not the aam janataa. Attacking H1s is attacking the demand side, not the supply side. If there are not H1s, then US corporations will increasingly not locate offices in the US, but work outside, where they can continue finding the lowest cost labor to do whatever.


You are again working at the corporate level that loves H-1s. I have never heard of a corporation talking of "stealing our jobs". It cannot.

The mom and pop shops have always been against globalization - WalMart?

It is THAT mom and pop that are crying "stealing our jobs". Juluri fails to realize that.

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Postby NRao » 28 Dec 2015 04:05

Filed under BTW,

1) In early 1970 there was an effort in (then) Bombay to issue cards for the local population, for fear that northerners were taking the jobs of the locals. It was shot down on the grounds that it cannot happen in a democracy

2) Then came Shiv Sena and its demand that Southerners leave Bombay!! (Although being a Southerner, I do not look like one. One of my closest friend in college was a devoted SS member and for years he did not accept that we were from the South, despite visiting my house and mingling with my family!! go figure.)

3) A comment to the Juluri article in ToI:

Shrikant Bhobe
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[Member]
• Goa • 1 day ago

xenophobia is everywhere, right here in goa, against ghantis ( non goans ) for stealing their jobs which goans cant do or do not wish to do.upras or biharis steals marathi manoos jobs.aiyar, nair, pillai, menon displace lele nene.


Heck it goes on even today in India!!!! Prof Juluri please take note. A new type of phobia for you

I have more such stories.

All I can say is that these things are at a personal level and go beyond macro-economics. I have faced the negatives, what has Prof Juluri faced? I am not a corporation, nor a politician. Simple ITian, innovator, huge risk taker and reinvent self. Will die a pauper perhaps, but will always sleep well at night.

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Postby Surya » 28 Dec 2015 04:12

I can ask that question because I have been impacted by H-1s (very badly).


Just out of curiosity? (only broaching topic because of your comments - )
Did you not come here through H1? Unless somehow through some family or marriage or lottery??

If Yes then it makes your viewpoint interesting

Even if No - unless you were born here - unlike TSJ - it makes your viewpoint interesting

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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Dec 2015 05:08

I do not recall seeing this discussed here, so though from March 2015, am posting:
http://carnegieendowment.org/2015/03/24 ... sment/i20l
From its announcement in 2005 to today, the U.S.-India civil nuclear deal has been controversial. Proponents of the deal argued that it would allow both states to forge a strategic partnership; that it would facilitate an expansion of nuclear energy in India; and that it would bring India into the nonproliferation “mainstream.” Opponents argued that the structure of U.S and Indian interests are sufficiently divergent that a strategic partnership would prove impossible; that India would not be able to adopt nuclear power on the scale described by the deal’s advocates; and that it would undermine the nonproliferation regime by institutionalizing a double standard, when NPT universality had long been a consensus objective. A decade after the fact, how should we assess the impact of the deal?

Both youtube and transcript available from the above link.
The transcript (PDF file) is at the link below:
http://carnegieendowment.org/files/14-2 ... matted.pdf

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Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Dec 2015 05:37

"Stealing our jobs" is always a loser's :((
It is never advanced when someone is actually stealing one's job. That theft occurs in one's own workplace through underhanded office politics. Or through mob rule/violence.

Outsourcing, immigration etc in a democratic, free society, are through the legal use of the laws set out by the society. Laws passed by their lawmakers. Otherwise there is recourse through legal action, NEVER by whipping up racist sentiment and attacking law-abiding, hard working people.

Yes, it is indeed the US, following hundreds of years of colonialist invasions, genocides and outright looting, that has been yelling for Open Markets and Open Access. It is the US that armtwisted nations into agreements that drove millions into starvation and thousands into suicide.

But Humanity has a strange way of adapting and evolving, and now Globalization does indeed level the playing fields slightly in some limited areas. When that happens, the fact is that the US has vast resources and vast opportunities for people, and naturally there will be an equalization of costs, rewards, etc. That is the Free Market.

When that happens, there will be screaming and violence from the losers. Figures.

Yes, Outsourcing has destructive effects, and American families have experienced some of those. Terrible, no? But it wasn't terrible when farmers in Andhra were driven to suicide, or weavers in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh starved to death, when famine killed millions in Bengal because food was taken away for export to England? When malls wiped out local businesses? When the railroad wiped out the Pony Express? When cheap imported petroleum derivatives wiped out the handloom cotton industry?

Suck it up. It's called progress. Fortunately it is not a zero-sum game. Americans will adapt and innovate, and move on to new things. It is disruptive, it destroys old grimy Hometowns, but perhaps it brings new and better realities in future.
On a personal level, it does indeed affect people terribly. But attacking others and degenerating into sneering and hate is not the way to deal with that.

I heard a debate the other day. Interest rates in the US are below 3 percent. In India for commercial loans they are like 12 percent. If India is to allow American companies that borrow money at 3 percent, to compete head-on with Indian businesses that have to pay 12 percent, then, logically, Indian companies that can obtain labor at $3/hr should be allowed to compete head-on in the US for contracts, with US companies that have to pay $15/hr. If that does not happen, then, hey, :P to American businesses.

How do I argue with that?


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