Geopolitics/Geoeconomics Thread - June 2015

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TUan,
Para 2 you quoted is what the US has been doing low key since decades, and very actively since 2014. And look where it has got us. So whats the point ?
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Cyrano wrote:TUan,
Para 2 you quoted is what the U.S. has been doing low key since decades, and very actively since 2014. And look where it has got us. So whats the point ?
Over the last 20 years or even more, U.S. foreign policy and its military doctrine have been in parallel with and are defined by the "law of the hammer," commonly known as Maslow's hammer. Simply put, "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." This concept is relied on excessively in advancing U.S. foreign policy interests, with the hammer being military might.

I lean more towards Joseph Nye's concept that the U.S. and its allies must rely more on a "smart power" approach, which must be indeed supported by hard military might. However, the Western diplomatic community must craft a winning counternarrative that is NOT just Western liberal democratic values and morals. It must find connective diplomatic bridges with non-Western nations - bridges that legitimately give these countries, for instance, Belarus, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovak Republic, Georgia, and Croatia, which are all severely affected by the war - a leadership role and executive management of the narrative. This will allow both sides to portray a partnership that gives the East European nations dignity, soft power responsibility, and global legitimacy. This has so far been relatively absent from Western counternarrative strategies.
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lest we forget

Bombing for peace !


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These images never go away , the rampaging monstrous reality of America

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Watch how Latvia being diplomatic:
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biden has been called out for his hurried afghani bye bye and everyone knows the devastating blow that the amerikis suffered to their self image and how the global perception of the US's trustworthiness and reliability as an ally has has evaporated almost instantly


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Geo politics can go to hell
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drnayar wrote:These images never go away , the rampaging monstrous reality of America

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God! What a tragedy. And what an iconic image.
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This is too alarming ..

We need to ban or restrict all Social Media platforms. The internal traitors are coordinating their activities with US intelligence, SoreAss a

https://medium.com/dfrlab/the-dfrlab-re ... 19222b09af
The DFRLab responds to “Twitter Files” story
Taibbi reports that DFRLab contacted Twitter’s Trust and Safety Team to examine a dataset of 40,000 Twitter accounts in 2021. As Taibbi reported, Twitter found almost all of the accounts to be authentic users.

The dataset was part of an investigation into alleged coordinated disinformation and online harassment in India, conducted in parallel with the Indian outlet The Wire. One of their reporters at the time collected the dataset and shared it with our team; he attributed the tweets to the BJP, but his analysis failed to meet our research standards. The DFRLab therefore decided not to publish that investigation, terminating our collaboration with The Wire in October 2021.

When an investigation necessitates it, the DFRLab shares our findings with social media platforms to help ensure our research is accurate. This was the case with the alleged BJP dataset; we shared it with Twitter solely as part of our due diligence. As neither our internal research staff nor Twitter could find a connection between this particular dataset and the BJP, we decided to not move forward with the research. We stand by that decision. The Wire eventually published its own investigation in early 2022 but later retracted it after losing confidence in their report’s accuracy.
Actually they are lying here. The TekFog story was withdrawn not this ...

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Why Wire?
What disinformation?
What is the connection between DFR and Wire and how they are connected to Twitter?
Time to set up a serious investigation by Parliament and CBI to investigate this criminal activity?


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Heartburn!!!


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That’s cringeworthy. What is the Economist trying to do? Confirm that the lion needs to see a denturist. Please conduct yourself with some dignity, editor sahib.

India will not replace Britain in the security council. India will formulate a new global dominance architecture. Britain will not be on it. Given japan’s adolescent foreign policy, the natural candidate will not be on it either. Brazil is not powerful enough and does not have the depth of potential of Asian countries. Germany will never be permitted to be anything more than it is by Europeans themselves.
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sanjaykumar wrote:That’s cringeworthy. What is the Economist trying to do? Confirm that the lion needs to see a denturist. Please conduct yourself with some dignity, editor sahib.

India will not replace Britain in the security council. India will formulate a new global dominance architecture. Britain will not be on it. Given japan’s adolescent foreign policy, the natural candidate will not be on it either. Brazil is not powerful enough and does not have the depth of potential of Asian countries. Germany will never be permitted to be anything more than it is by Europeans themselves.
Sooner, rather than later, the britshits will anyway be out of the security council.

They have only managed to stagger from catastrophe to catastrophe and PM to PM, without managing to find any solution.

From a former britshit colony......to their unlamented and erstwhile masters

and from the heart of my bottom, well played, old boy.

and may misfortune be your constant companion, and dog you every step of the way, for evermore
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The economist is a hard right Eurocentric trash pile. Please do not extend their world view to all of Britain.
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yup give my 5 minutes back. Left reading it in the middle
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Much anticipated BRICS+ meeting will be held in South Africa in August 2023, and it is expected (hope) to either make announcements or seriously evaluate new directions in the world of money/currency/finance...

Financial crime watchdog adds South Africa to 'grey list'
International financial crime watchdog the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on Friday added South Africa to its "grey list" of countries under special scrutiny to implement standards to prevent money laundering and terrorism financing
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The punishment for conducting naval exercises with Russia and China.
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Agree, although this (Mosi II) exercise was preceded by Mosi-I joint naval military exercise near South Africa in 2019. May be the Russ-Ukie waar may have exacerbated the differences. In Aug 2022, minister Naledi Mandisa Pandor did not mince words while hosting Blinky.

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https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status ... 1072208896
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#China is selling their #US Treasuries at a fast rate

Meanwhile, the People's Bank of China has added over 102 tons of #gold in the past 4 months. Total gold reserves are now 2,050 tons.

China is clearly trying to limit their counterparty risk in a conflict with the US.
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Treasury data over last 12 months

Country 2021 2022 % Growth
Dec Dec
Japan 1300.8 1076.3 -17%
China 1040.3 867.1 -17%
United Kingdom 649.3 654.5 1%
Belgium 271.6 354.3 30%
Taiwan 249.5 225.5 -10%
India 198.9 224.1 13%
Hong Kong 225.2 221 -2%
Brazil 240.6 217.4 -10%
France 223.9 189 -16%
Singapore 193.6 178.9 -8%
Saudi Arabia 119 119.7 1%
Korea 130.7 102.9 -21%
Germany 83.4 100.7 21%
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The USA Threatens Africa to Sanction Russia
Should the United States government be forcing poor countries to abide by U.S. sanctions against Russia?

https://debraray.medium.com/the-usa-thr ... 700640e901
Economic sanctions impose a heavy toll on people all over the world. Like we are seeing with the sanctions against Russia, consumers and businesses experience inflation in impacted industries as a result of sanctions. For poor countries, the decision to sanction another country has serious consequences for an already struggling population.

The United States government has told African countries that if they buy anything other than fertilizer and food from Russia, the United States will retaliate against them. Some of these African leaders are saying that the United States has no right to threaten them if they decide to ignore U.S. policy. They believe that the U.S. undermines their sovereignty by trying to force them to choose sides in conflicts, and they can remain neutral if that is what is best for their country.
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How did these countries complaining now vote on the UN resolutions against Russia?

Several African leaders are taking the west on publicly. SA, Namibia, Congo, Kenya... the list keeps growing. Africa is truly in a post colonial era now, entering a phase of decolonisation. Much like India actually.
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vijayk wrote:The USA Threatens Africa to Sanction Russia
Should the United States government be forcing poor countries to abide by U.S. sanctions against Russia?
Well, let us see:

* Did I tell you that we (the world) are going through a change in polarity? And, at the same time, establishing a new world order? And, when that happens it is VIOLENT? As in loss of potentially millions of lives, but certainly crashes in every other area (markets, housing, etc)(expect 60-80% decline)?

So, what did the US, the current unipolar leader do in the past 1 year:

* Russia: Start a war with Russia (a potential pole). Since we have TWO threads on that I will say nothing more than 300,000 and 500,000 are dead, disabled, or whatever. Today I heard Ritter say that the population of Ukraine is down from 37 million to some 20 million.
* China has issued two papers, one very specifically on US Hegemony and Its Perils dated Feb 20, 2023. Very recent. Followed by their foreign minister warning ... warns of conflict with the US, defends Russia ties. Even more recent.
* India: After Jaishankar said Europe needs to reexamine Europe's problems as are world's problems, but not the other way around, Europe sent the PM of Italy to tell India specifically, IN INDIA, ‘Europe’s Problem Has Become World’s Problem’, Italian PM

The whole thing about NSF funds for India, the NSA meet, the whole holi shebang with some promise for some chip industry, etc - is silly at best.

* Europe via European Union: Has been hollowed out. German pipelines have been destroyed. France has been neutered. UK is a lap dog. Belgium, Norway, and Sweden participated in destroying the pipeline. The rest - who cares? Living standards in Europe - as far as I can tell - are declining fairly rapidly
* WRT Japan, Australia, SK, NZ: NATO-Pacific meet: June 29, 2022:
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I think Saudi Arabia will reverse course and listen to the US (sorry BRICS). Same with Turkey.

BRICS better not think of their own currency.

ASEAN will follow.

South America will follow.

Unless nations have an appetite for huge losses - lives, and material, the status quo will continue. And, the pole will make those that opened their mouths pay.

That is how it has always worked - for about 3000 years.
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Next leg down perhaps? This bank stock is down 83% in 1 day!

Venture Firms Advise Companies to Pull Money From SVB
Panic spread across the startup world after a warning from Silicon Valley Bank, a major lender to fledgling companies, prompted Peter Thiel’s Founders Fund and other prominent venture capitalists to advise portfolio businesses to withdraw their money
Bill Ackman Says US Should Mull SVB Bailout as Possible Option
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NRao wrote:That is how it has always worked - for about 3000 years.
Sir you left out the biggest elephant in the room. US is at war with its own self. The US elites - wall street, foggy bottom, pentagon, langley, supported by academia, hollywood and even entrepreneurs - have decimated America. Cities are a mess, there is rampant poverty and drug use. Population is on a decline with immigration either halted or not enough willing and able working immigrants available to fill positions. Inflation is happening not because of fed tinkering but because there just aren't enough workers.

US public like paki awaam have blinders on. They need to wake up first and realize the state has been hijacked. This is not about a socialist revolution, far from that - it's about making America work for Americans. Will it happen? I don't count on it. But this is relevant because America's great power comes at a great cost to its own people. You need poverty if you want a large army.
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China has brokered a deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Both nations to restore diplomatic relations to start.
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NRao wrote:China has brokered a deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Both nations to restore diplomatic relations to start.
huge geopolitical implications., need for unkles military just went down several notches and china with its economic interests went up at least one ! West Asia might become a stable region only because Khan was distracted elsewhere.

Iran with Russian help will deploy nukes in months maybe a year, China will go full blast in upgrading its arsenal.
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^^^^^

HUGE implications:

Iran’s new underground air base seen preparing to host advanced Russian fighter jets
An analysis of images from a newly revealed underground air force base in Iran named “Eagle 44” reveals that the site is likely being prepared to host advanced Russian Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets
A blow to Israel, perhaps Turkey, and of course the US.

I think this is a good development for India, except for the Chinese involvement. Indian position in BRICS I think will diminish.

I am sure there will be a lot more to unpack.
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Unless we become an independent weapons manufacturer and supplier, certain types of influence will remain out of our reach. Cold hard reality.

Better find some alternative fields that we can weaponise in case of need. Because we still aren't serious about conquering some technological holy grails.
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We can’t even “conquer” infantry rifle technology.
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Trawling through the news sites and not a single news about Iran Saudi deal. All news channels filled with Ukraine, Gun control, Left Right nonsense.

Edit: US media
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vimal wrote:Trawling through the news sites and not a single news about Iran Saudi deal. All news channels filled with Ukraine, Gun control, Left Right nonsense.
vimal ji,

the amerikis are still (nominally) the top dog

the amerikis would have certainly torn the saudis a new one by now

so everyone is probably keeping their heads down, just in case there is any crossfire

A lot of gleaming and high tech ameriki and oiropean weapon systems are in saudi possession or in the hands of the allies of the saudis. This fact would have already hit home, knowing the marked proclivities of the hans to steal any technology that is not bolted down

have the amerikis managed to blunder into another afghan "aftermath" where they were forced to "abandon" so many hundreds of thousands of small arms, heavy weapons, and combat vehicles
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vimal wrote:Trawling through the news sites and not a single news about Iran Saudi deal. All news channels filled with Ukraine, Gun control, Left Right nonsense.

here you go, vimal ji.

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What would be the game plan for India? We are entering Pax Americana vs Pax Sinica neither suits us. And bring the largest weapons importer in the world makes us extremely vulnerable.
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Death of European Diplomacy - Former Austrian FM Karin Kreissl, Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen
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These guys are scary.


North Korea fires two "strategic cruise missiles" from a submarine


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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 023-03-12/
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vimal wrote:What would be the game plan for India? We are entering Pax Americana vs Pax Sinica neither suits us.
Pax Americana vs Pax Sinica and India remaining a neutral third pole might be the way forward.
We can have transactional relations with both sides, without being dragged into active conflicts.
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A Deshmukh wrote:
vimal wrote:What would be the game plan for India? We are entering Pax Americana vs Pax Sinica neither suits us.
Pax Americana vs Pax Sinica and India remaining a neutral third pole might be the way forward.
We can have transactional relations with both sides, without being dragged into active conflicts.
If I may, Russia too is a neutral pole imo.

I think the Chinese move to get closer to Russia is a huge sign of Chinese weakness. Russia does not need China. Imo China would never have tried to get close with Russia if Russia was losing in any shape or form.

And, I think India and Russia, per chance, are aligned perfectly - granted things could change.

Turkey is sidelined.

Saudi Arabia is trying to be a relevant player on the chess board.

South Africa and Brazil are dancing to their own tune - they are next in line for G-20 chair, so let us see what they have in store.

EU is drowning.
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