Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

Postby Rupesh » 10 Jul 2015 09:59

Link to last page of previous thread.



The following links are background material on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pak's Continuing War against Indian Civilisation - Tufail Ahmad, Director South Asia Project, MEMRI
http://www.newindianexpress.com/columns ... 949359.ece

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/publications/public ... 6-34.html#

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

A modest proposal from the Brigadier:

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/03/landesman.htm

"We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people......."


Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

Religion as the Foundation of a Nation: The Making and Unmaking of Pakistan - P.K. Upadhyay, IDSA
It probes the religious and sectarian fault-lines in Pakistan in depth to determine their impact on the future of Pakistan.
http://idsa.in/system/files/monograph36.pdf

Ms. Christine Fair's exposition on Pakistan military, society et al. A Must see.
Fighting to the End: Pakistan Army's Way of War

False Equivalency in the "Indo-Pakistan" Dispute - Ms. C. Fair, War on the Rocks, June, 2015

Shia-killing in Pakistan: Background and Predictions - A blog by Omar Ali


PAKISTAN and GENOCIDE:

Image Scan of article on 1971 East Pakistan Genocide by Antony Mascarenhas, Former Asst. Editor, Morning News, Karachi in Sunday Times, London, June 13, 1971

Text scan of the above article on 1971 Genocide

Bangladesh Genocide Archive

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica. ... _LeT_0.pdf


Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... nthrop.pdf

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

Putting Our Children in Line of Fire - The Nation, January 27, 2013
The above is an admission by Pakistan Army's Top General that it was the Pakistani Army at Kargil, not the mujahideen, and Musharraf was the Culprit

Debate between a Taliban Scholar and a Paki Army Officer


PAKISTAN and NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION:

Pakistani nuclear scientist's accounts tell of Chinese proliferation - R. Jeffrey Smith and Joby Warrick, Washington Post, Nov 13, 2009

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

MISCELLANEOUS

UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup


Christine Fair :Ten fictions that pakistani defense officials love to peddle

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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities


see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.

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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?
Quote:
Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.


Quote:
Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.


Youtube video: Bilatakalluf with Tahif Gora: Tarek Fateh dissects with Pakjabi society and shows how its war-impotent Army loots the common Pakistani (Jan 13, 2012)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Rupesh » 10 Jul 2015 10:05

From such Gup in TFT

Wall chalkings

Your average citizen is well-informed and intelligent, and if proof were needed that he also has a sense of humour, it’s right here in these wall chalkings across Pakistan:

1. “Roti, bijli, gas na pani,

Dil hai phhir bhi Pakistani”

2. “Pakistan ka matlab kya?

Haseena Beauty Parlour”

3. “Iss baar vote kissi insaan kay bachay ko dena,

Kuttay ya sher ko naheen”

4. “Rozaydaar! Iftar ko iftar samjho,

Valima naheen!”


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Rupesh » 10 Jul 2015 10:08

NEW YORK: Two Pakistanis are among 32 `young leaders’ named on Wednesday as Asia 21 Young Leader Class of 2015 by the Asia Society in New York.


why call it Asia 21 if there are 32. Hain ji

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Prem » 10 Jul 2015 10:34

Note Doval's presence
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby partha » 10 Jul 2015 10:51

Jhujar wrote:Note Doval's presence

Don't read too much into it. Doval accompanies PM on all foreign trips. He is like a right hand man.

Paki sniper pig killed a BSF jawan yesterday. Their strategy was probably to provoke India into canceling the meet or provoke India to give disproportionate response and then make a noise in SCO meet about it. Hopefully after the SCO meet, BSF will respond in such a way that this will happen again -

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby pankajs » 10 Jul 2015 10:56

The correct response to meet the Paki PM but ensure a reciprocal+ kill before or after the event.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby chetak » 10 Jul 2015 10:59

Jhujar wrote:Note Doval's presence
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So, that one to one cowboy nonsense like MMS used to do is over??

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby svinayak » 10 Jul 2015 11:07



LIVE: Pakistani PM Sharif meets Indian PM Modi on sidelines of SCO summit in Ufa

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby pankajs » 10 Jul 2015 11:09

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor 4m4 minutes ago

Big Namo-Nawaz take-aways:

1. Modi to attend SAARC in Pak.
2. Agree to expedite 26/11 trials w/ voice samples.
3. 2 NSAs to meet on terror.
4. Early meet between DG Rangers & DG BSF, followed by meet between DGMOs.
5. Decision to release fishermen on both sides & boats.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby partha » 10 Jul 2015 11:20

So no mention of Kashmir. Just talks on terrorism.

Modi going to Pak. hmm..a big security risk in my opinion.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby schinnas » 10 Jul 2015 11:40

partha wrote:So no mention of Kashmir. Just talks on terrorism.

Modi going to Pak. hmm..a big security risk in my opinion.


I wouldnt be surprised to see Modi sending Rajnath Singh or Sushma in his place citing security risks, but it has to happen just before the SAARC meet and not now.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Kashi » 10 Jul 2015 11:48

pankajs wrote:Big Namo-Nawaz take-aways:

1. Modi to attend SAARC in Pak.
2. Agree to expedite 26/11 trials w/ voice samples.
3. 2 NSAs to meet on terror.
4. Early meet between DG Rangers & DG BSF, followed by meet between DGMOs.
5. Decision to release fishermen on both sides & boats.


If this is the "final list" i.e. not likely to change when regurgitated by DDM or PDM,

No Kashmir, no IWT, no "roadmap" for future FS-level or bilateral talks, no visa-related moves...

So basically no takeaways...for the Paki side at least...

Dunno why, but I get a feeling that this was a cosmetic exercise for the benefit of the annoying buggers who have been bugging India for talks..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby sum » 10 Jul 2015 11:52

pankajs wrote:The correct response to meet the Paki PM but ensure a reciprocal+ kill before or after the event.

IIRC, the press release about the sniper hit yesterday itself mentioned that BSF had given back a bit and casualities were expected on other side.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 10 Jul 2015 12:09

It is still not clear what is meant by India & Pakistan expediting 26/11 trials. Last time was four years back when P.Chidambaram as Home Minister announced triumphally that voice samples would be available in a few days! Do we still need them? I believe that as usual, Pakistan means one thing and India understands a different thing. The Pakistani courts have repeatedly said that there is no case against Lakhvi, they are unwilling to accept Indian evidence (even after the great fanfare of the lawyers' visit to Mumbai and cross-examining even the Indian Magistrate) and the Pakistani Deep State is completely unwilling to lift its little finger in prosecuting (because that will be self-incriminating).

Let's wait for more clarity therefore on this particular agreement.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby habal » 10 Jul 2015 13:40

SSridhar wrote:It is still not clear what is meant by India & Pakistan expediting 26/11 trials. Last time was four years back when P.Chidambaram as Home Minister announced triumphally that voice samples would be available in a few days! Do we still need them? I believe that as usual, Pakistan means one thing and India understands a different thing. The Pakistani courts have repeatedly said that there is no case against Lakhvi, they are unwilling to accept Indian evidence (even after the great fanfare of the lawyers' visit to Mumbai and cross-examining even the Indian Magistrate) and the Pakistani Deep State is completely unwilling to lift its little finger in prosecuting (because that will be self-incriminating).

Let's wait for more clarity therefore on this particular agreement.


Sridharji, Nawaz Sharif is now as anti-Pak army as any jingo on the forum. He and other politicians are pretty much fed up of it. So 'expediting 26-11 trials' by Nawaz Sharif just means 'best wishes to you too' to TSPA.

TSPA has set an organization called NAB after Sharif, Zardari and other Pakistani politicians. NAB was filled by ISI, military staffers during era of Musharraf. NAB was created during time of Musharraf, earlier it used to be 'Ehtesaab bureau' (ehtesaab standing for accountability). It used to be civilian organizations before Musharraf with staffers being cronies of then political figures. The ex-ISI, ex-TSPA staffers currently employed in NAB obviously do not follow civilian orders when they are given directions by their erstwhile organizations like ISI or TSPA, they ignore their civilian chain of command and do as their mentors bidding. Now using corruption bogey, the Pakistani Army is trying to Neutralize all the political forces in the country and leave alone just PTI and some new political combination. Supposedly it will help them roll out PCEC in more timely fashion or whatever their fancy is.

TSPA ofcourse conveniently forgets that they have used and abused political parties and organizations in Pakistan whenever it suits them, and the resultant order is never as they completely planned. We are once again going back to Zia-Ul-Haq era when he neutralized political platform by hanging Bhutto and bringing in new players. But did that arrangement last long.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby arun » 10 Jul 2015 14:31

Climbdown by the Modi Government. Talks upgraded from Foreign Secretary level in Multilateral SAARC related format to National Security Adviser level in Bilateral format with opportunity to the terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan to talk of Indian fomented terrorism involving Baloch, Mohajir and Pathan Taliban.

Statement read out by Foreign Secretaries of India and Pakistan in Ufa, Russia (July 10, 2015)

July 10, 2015

The Prime Ministers of Pakistan and India met today on the sidelines of the SCO Summit in Ufa.The meeting was held in a cordial atmosphere.The two leaders exchanged views on issues of bilateral and regional interest.

They agreed that India and Pakistan have a collective responsibility to ensure peace and promote development.To do so, they are prepared to discuss all outstanding issues.

Both leaders condemned terrorism in all its forms and agreed to cooperate with each other to eliminate this menace from South Asia.

They also agreed on the following steps to be taken by the two sides:

1.A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.
2.Early meetings of DG BSF and DG Pakistan Rangers followed by that of DGMOs.
3.Decision for release of fishermen in each other’s custody, along with their boats, within a period of 15 days.
4.Mechanism for facilitating religious tourism.
5.Both sides agreed to discuss ways and means to expedite the Mumbai case trial, including additional information like providing voice samples.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif reiterated his invitation to Prime Minister Modi to visit Pakistan for the SAARC Summit in 2016.Prime Minister Modi accepted the invitation.

Ufa, Russia
July 10, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby habal » 10 Jul 2015 14:43

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/07 ... ist-to-sc/

bad sharif strategy is this:

1. bad sharif is unlike past jernails who came into power. He doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't party. Goes early to bed, has no social life. He is just ideological motivated soldier and lives in shadow of his elder brother Shabbir Sharif.

2. he is interested in cleansing pakistan a la nana patekar in para mode. So in that interest, he has started on a campaign starting with focus on cleansing Sindh.

3. he has targeted MQM and when MQM squeals that it is being singled out as community of mohajirs, he will target Zardari and PPP.

4. when PPP squeals that it is getting singled out and unfairly targeted since it is Sindhi party. he will get after good Sharif and PML(N).

5. after PML(N) makes sounds about being unfairly targeted and singled out since they are popular choice in Punjab and they point fingers at PTI and religious parties, he can get alibi for going after them.

as a result parties have started taking into account the time left for bad sharif as army chief after which a new chief can take over. The term of Pakistani army chief is 3 years. The last year is lame duck year for chief since there are more attention devoted and interested generated on who new chief would be.

to prevent that from undermining his operations, he has already used army-supported journalists through casual hints in news networks that he is also aware of this, but still he is coming after them.

in this process he intends to clean pakistan of all dirt and mirth and corruption and vice. Truly devoted soldier and patriotic pakistani he is.

but like a simple-minded fauji, he doesn't understand that the slip between cup and lip is due to other factors in consideration as well.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Anujan » 10 Jul 2015 15:36

This fellow is bull cutlet.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/918101/clea ... -pakistan/

Turning away from what usually becomes a back-and-forth blame game, Pakistan’s water regulator has come out defending India, saying the neighbours are not responsible for water shortage on this side of the border.

While dismissing widespread reports blaming the neighbours, Indus River System Authority (Irsa) Chairman Rao Irshad Ali said India was using less than its allocated share under the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) signed between the two countries.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby habal » 10 Jul 2015 15:47

Ya Ali Maula
Haq Ali Maula

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Anujan » 10 Jul 2015 15:56

The previous Indus water commissioner in Pakistan had to go hide and seek asylum after he made some sensible statements vis a vis water sharing. Hope that fate doesn't befall this gentleman as well.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 10 Jul 2015 16:10

Neither the latest PIC (Permanent Indus Commissioner) nor his predecessor who had to seek asylum were the only Pakistani PICs to defend the Indian position. It is obvious to everyone that it is the extremely poor management of its waters that lies at the bottom of the Pakistani water issue. For politicians and jihadists, it is both easy and a necessity to blame India. As the NE (Baglihar) and CoA (Kishenganga) proved, India was not in the wrong.

I am afraid that this PIC could end up being the first one to seek asylum in Canada while still being in power if he continues in this vein. He said, "...it is all propaganada"? Unbelievable. May be a RAW Agent? Did they do the usual check on him?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby habal » 10 Jul 2015 16:13

see it this way .. this is his canadian vija application.

pakistan se zinda bhaag.

must be a long time karachi resident.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby JE Menon » 10 Jul 2015 16:25

Bwoys...looks like something is changing. Y'all know what I mean.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 10 Jul 2015 16:32

Headline: Pak forex surges to $19.71bn

Text: The total liquid foreign reserves of the country have increased to $18.71406 billion, says State Bank of Pakistan (SBP).

Source:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/business/1 ... to-19-71bn

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 10 Jul 2015 16:37

SAARC Charter:
http://saarc-sec.org/saarc-charter/5/
Article III MEETINGS OF THE HEADS OF STATE OR GOVERNMENT

The Heads of State or Government shall meet once a year or more often as and when considered necessary by the Member States.


Article IV

COUNCIL OF MINISTERS

1.A Council of Ministers consisting of the Foreign Ministers of the Member States shall be established with the following functions:

a) formulation of the policies of the ASSOCIATION; b) review of the progress of cooperation under the ASSOCIATION; c) decision on new areas of cooperation; d) establishment of additional mechanism under the ASSOCIATION as deemed necessary; e) decision on other matters of general interest to the ASSOCIATION.

2. The Council of Ministers shall meet twice a year. Extraordinary session of the Council may be held by agreement among the Member States.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby arun » 10 Jul 2015 16:50

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hua Chunying's Regular Press Conference on July 9, 2015 ……………

Q: Yesterday, Chinese President Xi Jinping met with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Ufa. Is there any update on this meeting? Some Indian official said after the meeting that Prime Minister Modi expressed concerns about the technical hold placed by China on India's move to ask the UNSC 1267 committee to review Pakistan’s release on bail of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, the suspect of the Mumbai terrorist attacks. What's your comment on this?

A: Yesterday, President Xi Jinping met with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Ufa. Relevant information has already been released. Both leaders commented positively on the sound momentum of growth of bilateral relations and further identified the key areas and future direction to enhance bilateral cooperation.

President Xi Jinping noted that in Xi'an last May, he and Prime Minister Modi reached important consensus on enriching the bilateral strategic partnership and forging a closer partnership for development. This sends a positive signal of China-India cooperation and common development to our two peoples as well as the international community. With concerted efforts by both sides, the consensus reached between the two leaders are now being translated into steady progress in bilateral cooperation on legislative institutions, railways, industrial parks and smart cities. Our two sides should make joint efforts to maintain the sound momentum of growth for bilateral relations and break new ground in pursuing win-win cooperation. Two sides should also continue to maintain frequent high-level exchanges, enhance strategic communication on all levels, complete feasibility studies on major cooperation projects as planned and develop flagship programs for China-India cooperation. Efforts shall also be made to implement the China-India cultural exchange program, step up think-tank, media and local cooperation, properly manage the differences and join hands to maintain peace and tranquility in the border areas. China and India should work together to push forward the development of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), the BRICS New Development Bank (NDB) and the Bangladesh-China-India-Myanmar Economic Corridor (BCIM), and explore ways to effectively connect China's Belt and Road initiatives with India's relevant development plans, in a bid to achieve mutually beneficial cooperation and common development.

Prime Minister Modi pointed out that now China and India enjoy sound growth of bilateral relations and enhanced mutual trust. High-level officials from two sides maintain close communication. Bilateral trade and economic cooperation continue to deepen in various areas as science and technology, outer space and infrastructure. India welcomes investment by more Chinese enterprises and stands ready to enhance strategic communication and coordination to properly handle the boundary question and other differences between the two countries.

As for your specific question, I’d like to say that China opposes terrorism of all forms, supports the central coordinating role of the UN in global efforts against terrorism, and actively participates in international anti-terrorist cooperation. As a permanent member of the UN Security Council, China always addresses issues related with the UNSC 1267 Committee based on facts with a fair and objective position. China has maintained close communication with all parties concerned, including India, on issues related with the UNSC 1267 Committee.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 10 Jul 2015 16:52

CCFair on Modi-Sharif meet:
https://soundcloud.com/gateway-house-in ... eakthrough

"The first terror attack that happens after this meeting, this government is going to look very foolish".

Paraphrase - if India is involved in Baluchistan, it is not aiding terrorism, it is aiding insurgency - in the Pakistani spirit of splitting hairs.

Re: NSA meetings "If I were India, I wouldn't have these meetings."

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby JE Menon » 10 Jul 2015 17:09

She knows Pakistan. She does not know India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Pratyush » 10 Jul 2015 17:14

JE Menon wrote:Bwoys...looks like something is changing. Y'all know what I mean.


Time to get ready for a terror attack. :evil:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Altair » 10 Jul 2015 17:23

Statement read out by Foreign Secretaries of India and Pakistan in Ufa, Russia (July 10, 2015)

July 10, 2015

The Prime Ministers of Pakistan and India met today on the sidelines of the SCO Summit in Ufa.The meeting was held in a cordial atmosphere.The two leaders exchanged views on issues of bilateral and regional interest.

They agreed that India and Pakistan have a collective responsibility to ensure peace and promote development.To do so, they are prepared to discuss all outstanding issues.

Both leaders condemned terrorism in all its forms and agreed to cooperate with each other to eliminate this menace from South Asia.

They also agreed on the following steps to be taken by the two sides:

1.A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.
2.Early meetings of DG BSF and DG Pakistan Rangers followed by that of DGMOs.
3.Decision for release of fishermen in each other’s custody, along with their boats, within a period of 15 days.
4.Mechanism for facilitating religious tourism.
5.Both sides agreed to discuss ways and means to expedite the Mumbai case trial, including additional information like providing voice samples.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif reiterated his invitation to Prime Minister Modi to visit Pakistan for the SAARC Summit in 2016.Prime Minister Modi accepted the invitation.

Ufa, Russia
July 10, 2015

Well, we cannot ignore Pakis for ever. This is the first such possible engagement at the highest political levels.
Please observe the well put 1st point in the joint statement.
1.A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.

Something tells me,This will NOT be a chai-biskoot session. No Paki NSA would want to sit in same room with Invincible Pigeon. The Paki Military Brass would be shivering in their salwars. R&AW will be all over the Pakis and God knows where else!

This wording CANNOT be from Pakistan. This must have been drafted by someone from Doval sir's team.

Please ignore the next 4 points as they are just marketing material for our stupid media consumption.
For example:
2.Early meetings of DG BSF and DG Pakistan Rangers followed by that of DGMOs. This happens anyways, whats so new about that?
3.Decision for release of fishermen in each other’s custody, along with their boats, within a period of 15 days. Ok, So there is a timeline for release of fishermen. They have cut it down from 3 months. Good Job! This was initial demanded by PMOIndia almost 1 year ago but lost in the shelling and other nautanki by Pakis
4.Mechanism for facilitating religious tourism. WTF does that mean?
5.Both sides agreed to discuss ways and means to expedite the Mumbai case trial, including additional information like providing voice samples. What else is there to discuss which has not been discussed in past 7 years? This is just BS

As I said, the NSA meeting is the only one of any substance. I dont subscribe to the idea that Doval would ask PM to invite Pakis to India unless he feels there is something India will gain. This is Doval show onlee.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Gagan » 10 Jul 2015 18:12

Bakis are dying to meet superstar Doval.
Plain and simple

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Altair » 10 Jul 2015 18:18

Gagan wrote:Bakis are dying to meet superstar Doval.
Plain and simple


The only plan and simple thing here is "Bakis will die, literally!!" :rotfl:
As someone said here a long time ago!! The only Good Paki is a Dead Paki,

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 10 Jul 2015 18:29

Guys, pillory me if you want, but I completely agree with Fair didi. This was a cave in by ModiJi after all his tough talk. Even the definition of terrorism is a concession by India. Pakis can claim India accepted its (TSP's) definition of terrorism and they will raise India's involvement in Baluchistan. There was simply no need for this crappy meeting other than ModiJi trying to appease US and God knows who else. The seminal point Fair didi makes, and should have come from a Hindu nationalist govt, is that Itis joint statement speciously suggests that India and TSP are "both" culpable for the security situation in the region. (Equal equal on terrorism will galore from now on). India is the victim, and TSP the perpetrator. ModiJi has given that away. Lets not spin this Doval magic, I haven't seen much from him except for the retaliatory firing last year, and his boast that TSP will lose Baluchistan should they do another Mumbai.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Gagan » 10 Jul 2015 18:38

habal wrote:Ya Ali Maula
Haq Ali Maula
Eggjactly right, just my thoughts.

Yet another fautline...

Also notice the name, RAW Irshad Ali :mrgreen:
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby pankajs » 10 Jul 2015 18:39

he he Modi is an ISI agent ....

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Gagan » 10 Jul 2015 18:45

CRamS is dhoti shivering.

Of course there has to be gobernment to gobernment contact onlee.
If MMS did chai biskoot onlee, does anyone really think that modi-doval will do the same?

Doval is testing the waters with Pakistan, to see if these guys are willing to look at things from a fresh prespective.
If the Pakistanis go back to doing Pakistaniyat in place of diplomacy, it is going to be back to the same old from this side too.

The question is, is Raheel Sharif going to order a terror strike on India outside of J&K? He has revived haramigiri in the valley, the odd LET incident, but does he have the ball$ to strike the rest of India?
He seems to be concentrating more on prolonging his life beyond the next 1.5 years, focusing the ISI's haramkhori domestically thus far.

(PS: The Pak Fauj takes budget from the civilian GOPakistan, ie takes its salt from them. Then goes about cutting its roots. That is classic haram, haramigiri, haramkhori, whatever...)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Gagan » 10 Jul 2015 18:52

Ultimately a government has to have contact with another government, even a terrorist government.

Things happen, and sometimes these contacts will save lives

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Gagan » 10 Jul 2015 18:55

The question is: Is pakistan going to stop being a terrorist nation? NO
Is pakistan going to develop, unless it stops being a terror sponsor? NO

Why worry onlee?
Pakis must be happy.
After all, Nawaz did meet Modi and Doval and spoke to them "Aakhon mein Aankh dalke" no? :rotfl:
Let them be happy at the equal equal symbolism onlee!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby arun » 10 Jul 2015 19:16

Sole Mohammadden Nuclear Power, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, does not have a World Health Organisation (WHO) recognised drug regulatory authority as the Islamic Republic has not been able to establish “a credible drug testing laboratory which is mandatory for recognition” :lol: .

What a Mickey Mouse country the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is :roll: :

Pakistan’s drug regulatory authority not recognised by WHO


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