Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby arun » 19 Aug 2015 16:13

Critical headline in the Hindu for an article penned by daughter of “Senior BJP Leader” Subramanian Swamy, Suhasini Haider.

With the Islamic Republic of Pakistan not only having thrown down the gauntlet challenging India but also before doing so administering a figurative slap on the face of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi whose Government called off Foreign Secretary level talks for precisely the reason that the Islamic Republic had the temerity to meet with Mohammadden separatists, I fervently hope to see a 56 inch chest response. I keep fingers and toes crossed that the earlier spark of pugnacity displayed by our PM has not become a fire extinguishing load of pusillanimity a’la the surrender at Sharm El Sheikh:

With Hurriyat invite, Pakistan challenges India’s ‘red lines’

Meanwhile I am not very sanguine that robust punitive retaliatory action against the Islamic Republic will take place despite leaks of anonymous Government officials. Reminds me of our Defence establishment’s reaction to shelling at the LoC/IB going by the comparative body count in the two countries with the higher number of Indian deaths sought to talked down by statement of “befitting reply” being made by our Defense Minister, Manohar Parrikkar.

A_Gupta wrote:http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/india-to-respond-appropriately-if-pak-nsa-sartaj-aziz-meets-kashmiri-separatists_1649509.html

India to respond 'appropriately' if Pak NSA Sartaj Aziz meets Kashmiri separatists

What that means is not spelled out.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Chinmayanand » 19 Aug 2015 16:14

Top court imposes ban on hunting of Houbara bustard

ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court imposed on Wednesday a ban on hunting of the endangered bird, Houbara bustard.

A three-judge bench of the SC headed by Chief Justice Justice Jawad S Khawaja ordered the cancellation of all licences issued by the federal government to Arab royals for the hunting of Houbara bustard.


Pakistan denies pleasure to its forefathers. :(( :(( :((

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Altair » 19 Aug 2015 16:37

RajeshA wrote:India is working on the larger plan to neutralize Pakistan.

Considering this, Paki insistence on some Hurriyat talks and talking about "Indian terrorism" and getting some media articles out there are all child tantrums and useless. They are playing to an international gallery out there that doesn't exist. All chairs are empty. Nobody is listening.

Pakistan is on the brink of a bloody war - mostly within! India on the other hand has secured our crease.


Pakistan knows its goose is cooked and is just doing what it does best. Declare victory in the face of defeat. Just like they declared victory when they pulled out of Kargil or when they lost Siachen, 71, 65 etc...I think NSA talks is a huge huge huge slap on Pakis. We would know the minutes when everyone knows. But Paki actions over the past few weeks suggest they already lost it. Sartaz Aziz does not want to be remembered as Niazi, hence all the nonsense of meeting Martian or Jovian separatists etc..

MEA wrote:NEW DELHI: India will not call off next week's talks with Pakistan's National Security Advisor Sartaj Aziz despite the fact that he will meet with Kashmiri separatist leaders in Delhi, government sources said today. They added that India "has a surprise for Pakistan in the talks" but did not elaborate.


UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan has once again raised the Kashmir issue at the UN Security Council, seeking mediation from the world body and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) to resolve the issue.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Altair » 19 Aug 2015 16:48

WTF is going on?
In the past 24 hours
Pakistan has approached United Nations to raise the Kashmir Issue
Pakistan has called separatists for talks on the same day of NSA talks in an attempt to piss off India
Pakistan has shelled all across the WB and LoC and harmed civilians
Pakistan has actually met Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) personally and asked him to call Ajit Kumar Doval to cancel the NSA level talks

Why so fati for TFTA Aziz?
and what is this NSA Invincible Pigeon ji telling media "We have a surprise for Pakistan?" hain ji? This is Tom and Jerry onlee

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Paul » 19 Aug 2015 17:01

Something is amiss here....Why are Paki commentators not commenting on Modi's visit to Dubai or UAE's perfidy with their fellow momeen state. Not a pipsqueak from Mosharaff Zaidi or Naseem Zehra.

What am I missing here?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby member_29119 » 19 Aug 2015 17:39

May be we are withdrawing kashmir raga from UN and blocking all other avenues for TSP to do shor sharaba?? Gurus can express their thoughts about this?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Pulikeshi » 19 Aug 2015 17:41

^^^^surprise :rotfl:

Pakis don't know what hit them, more to come -
So busy getting Kanadian Bisa and transferring phunds outta UAE :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby manjgu » 19 Aug 2015 18:28

flood pakistan with dossiers on hurriyat? = appropraite response.

The only appropriate response is for India to capture some part of POK ...and then only talks should be held.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 19 Aug 2015 18:31

A_Gupta wrote:http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/india-to-respond-appropriately-if-pak-nsa-sartaj-aziz-meets-kashmiri-separatists_1649509.html

India to respond 'appropriately' if Pak NSA Sartaj Aziz meets Kashmiri separatists

What that means is not spelled out.


Yesterday, true to his form as an ISI spokesman, thappad demanded that P.R.Chari, BJP spokesman, explain what Doval meant by TSP losing Baluchistan should they attempt another 26/11. P.R. Chari handled himself well, but it could very well be that ModiJi could invite a few Baluch leaders in retaliation, or at least warn TSP that India could play the Baluch card.

Questions though are, like the aggressive defense and hitting TSP hard for their LoC violations, will India threatening to play the Baluch card deter TSP from its Kashmir obsession? I would any day welcome India to show some spine and support Baluchis in their quest for self determination from Pakijabi Nazis. And there is no comparison, none whatsoever, betwene the papmemered treatment that Kashmiri Muslims get with the sorry plight of the Baluchis, not to mention all the legal angles.

But assuming India does use the Baluch card, and assuming TSP really the feels the heat, and agrees to to lay off Kashmir if India lays off Baluchis, while it will be fine in real-politick terms for India, it will be sad IMO for India to use the Baluchis and then dump them when India's objectives are met (this is US/UK style of betrayal). But then again, in international relations, there is no morality, so I am torn.

In any case all this moot, I am not sure how much of Baluch lever India really has over TSP as Doval claims compared to the Kashmir card that TSP (and its 3.5) has over India.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby saip » 19 Aug 2015 18:32

Once these rats land in Delhi, arrest them and leave it to Mr Aziz to decide about the talks.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby RamaY » 19 Aug 2015 18:34

Nothing to worry! All separatists who go to Pakistan can stay there.

That ban on Houbara hunting is Pakis showing UAE, who is the boss. Hope to see next move from UAE. Will they hunt few Paki ISI in the deserts of Arabia? Allah works in mysterious ways only!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 19 Aug 2015 18:52

A_Gupta wrote:http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/india-to-respond-appropriately-if-pak-nsa-sartaj-aziz-meets-kashmiri-separatists_1649509.html

India to respond 'appropriately' if Pak NSA Sartaj Aziz meets Kashmiri separatists

What that means is not spelled out.

It should mean only one thing. CANCELLATION.

Anything else will be incorrect and lead to valid criticism of the Modi-Doval approach earlier on the FS-level talks that were called off.

The MEA source has also talked of 'some elements in Pakistan interested in scuttling the talks' etc. This is nothing new and this excuse cannot be offered now.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby rsingh » 19 Aug 2015 18:56

Bakistani may do some explosion in Pindi or some dhamaka in Lahore and then sing for 5 years about the surprise promised by GOI. Only God knows what is hidden in dark corridors of MEA. I hope they ask Bakisatani to vacate that plot in Chanakypuri and turn it into Sulabh Sauchalya.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby rsingh » 19 Aug 2015 18:58

SSridhar wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/india-to-respond-appropriately-if-pak-nsa-sartaj-aziz-meets-kashmiri-separatists_1649509.html

India to respond 'appropriately' if Pak NSA Sartaj Aziz meets Kashmiri separatists

What that means is not spelled out.

It should mean only one thing. CANCELLATION.

Anything else will be incorrect and lead to valid criticism of the Modi-Doval approach earlier on the FS-level talks that were called off.

The MEA source has also talked of 'some elements in Pakistan interested in scuttling the talks' etc. This is nothing new and this excuse cannot be offered now.



CANCELLATION is NOT a surprise. That is what Baki's are expecting. It has to be out of box approach.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 19 Aug 2015 19:14

rsingh wrote:CANCELLATION is NOT a surprise. That is what Baki's are expecting. It has to be out of box approach.

Anything over and above cancellation is something else and welcome. But, talks cannot happen. We have to be consistent on that.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Rajdeep » 19 Aug 2015 19:15

Is that surprise something on the lines of neutralisation of some D-Bag ?

One can only wish.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby RajeshA » 19 Aug 2015 19:17

In order to give personal thappar, one needs to see the other face to face.

"To talk or not to talk" is not anymore the question. During MMS's time, the talks were a tamasha, and cancellation of talks also a tamasha. Both tamashas were useless and only used for posturing by Pakistan or to get something in return.

There are no more "comprehensive" talks. There is nothing offered to Pakistan on the table, that Pakistan relishes. Now it is more like "come over, sit in a nice chair, and eat thappar".

It is Pakistan that desires a lot of hullabaloo over talks. Somehow they see talks as something they can show around and claim they got the better of India, or India was forced to accept some Paki tantrum. Or Pakistan is an equal of India due to bilateral talks. Conceded. But that is simply monkey business. Pakistan is interested more in the monkey business AROUND the talks then the content of the talks.

If Modi and Co. have a script, and talks is part of the script, then nothing wrong in letting the talks go forward. If Modi & Co. think that the value of talks is MORE than the negatives of Pakistan's monkey business around the talks, then Modi should be allowed to proceed.

With Indians too, along with Pakis, making such a big thing out of some talks we actually help Pakis in their attempt to have a big hullabaloo around the talks. That way we only feed the monkey. If we call off the talks, again we are playing into the hands of Pakistanis, who would tell us, "Dar gaye" and laugh it off. Their need for drama would be fulfilled even with cancellation.

Best is for Indian media to ignore this tamasha.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Aug 2015 19:22

Times of India reports:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 544672.cms
SRINAGAR: The Hurriyat factions on Wednesday jumped at the invitation to meet Pakistan's national security advisor Sartaj Aziz before the NSA-level talks between India and Pakistan, scheduled for August 24.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Aug 2015 19:23

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-pa ... jp-2116141
BJP on Wednesday seemed to disapprove of the Pakistan High Commission's invite to Kashmir's separatist leaders for a meeting with Pakistan's NSA, saying it should take India's stand on the issue into account before taking such decisions.

"Pakistan knows our stand. If we want talks and if Pakistan wants it too, as it keeps telling world that India is not talking while they want it, then they should take a decision taking into account our stand. There is no need to clear the party's stand again and again," BJP spokesperson Shahnawaz Hussain told a press conference. He, however, declined to give a categorical reply to a question, asking if India should call off the NSA-level talks if the Pakistan NSA went ahead with his meeting with separatists.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 19 Aug 2015 19:24

RajeshA wrote:
Best is for Indian media to ignore this tamasha.


Good points, and indeed ModiJi does have a game plan. Problem is the "Indian" media, they will pounce on every little detail and complicate ModiJi's efforts.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Aug 2015 19:26

http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/n ... 53824.html
The article outlines the Becturbation planned at the NSA-level talks. (Am I misusing the term? Read the article and let me know.)
Article begins thusly:
At the upcoming NSA-level talks, India will hand over to Pakistan a list of 60 fugitives who have taken shelter in that country besides dismissing comparison between Samjhauta Express blast and Mumbai terror attack citing the role of state actors in the latter incident.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby member_29119 » 19 Aug 2015 19:28

But they want this tamasha fuels their distribution centre with TRP and which is further used as a bargaining chip to their intellectual sikular phoren studied saab

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 19 Aug 2015 19:32

At the upcoming NSA-level talks, India will hand over to Pakistan a list of 60 fugitives who have taken shelter in that country besides dismissing comparison between Samjhauta Express blast and Mumbai terror attack citing the role of state actors in the latter incident.


This is just another version of throwing the dossier at Pakistan, a terrorist state that just ignores "Evidence" provided by GoI. How is this any different from MMS regime's "strong response", seriously. Just like the pakis, the babucracy and political spectrum in India is boxed into "collecting evidence and presenting it to Pakistan", as if that makes any difference to anything. Effing farce being played over and over again.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby johneeG » 19 Aug 2015 19:34

SSridhar wrote:
rsingh wrote:CANCELLATION is NOT a surprise. That is what Baki's are expecting. It has to be out of box approach.

Anything over and above cancellation is something else and welcome. But, talks cannot happen. We have to be consistent on that.


These talks are not on Indo-pak issues. These talks are specifically on terrorism emanating from Pakistan particular 26/11. See, if its a regular talks, then why is pakistan desperate to cancel these talks? Moreover, if they were regular talks, they would be held by MEA, not NSA.

This seems to have something to do with putting Pakistan in dock in UN or some such org on terrorism issue.

You have to think, if Pakistan does not want talks, it can easily cancel the talks, no? But, no, it wants Bhaarath to cancel the talks and Bhaarath is not cancelling these talks. So, that tells you that there was some kind of agreement that these talks will not be cancelled and whosoever cancels will be the guilty party in the international eyes.

I think Bhaarath is seriously building the case against pakistan on 26/11. And all this seems to be part of that issue. Anyway, lets see what Doval saar does.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby rsingh » 19 Aug 2015 19:42

Rajdeep wrote:Is that surprise something on the lines of neutralisation of some D-Bag ?

One can only wish.


There are rumors Pardhan Mantri ji bringing D- bag in cargo hold from UAE. that is why it was organized so zaldi-zaldi. But these are rumors onlee. I heard that from local wafel seller who is learning to make Indian tea :mrgreen:

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

Postby Peregrine » 19 Aug 2015 19:54

‘Pakistan’s economy cannot survive on borrowed money’

*Former CJP Saeeduz Zaman Siddiqui says country cannot progress without addressing the grievances of peasants, labourers, the poor
KARACHI: Today is the age of economic rivalry and a country that makes it national budget on borrowed money can no longer maintain its will and liberty to play a role in international community.

Speaking on the occasion, he said that the country was passing through a critical phase and without addressing the grievances of peasants, labourers, the poor and people belonging to the lower middle class, the country would neither be able to protect itself adequately nor make progress. “The country’s circumstances are worsening day by day, so it is the duty of rulers to understand the gravity of the situation and act swiftly to redress it.”

He said that Pakistan’s foundation was laid on Islam, as it was created on the basis of the two-nation theory, and founder of Pakistan Muhammad Ali Jinnah had also made it clear while he was addressing the Karachi Bar Association in January 1948 and Sibbi Darbar in February 1948 that Pakistan’s future constitution would be based on Sharia. He also said that Quaid’s August 11, 1947 speech was a political statement
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He said that the country had a burden of $65 billion foreign loans, while the people did not pay taxes, corruption was rampant and there was no effective system of accountability in the country.

He was of the view that sect-based (fiqhi) Islam was the bone of contention in the country and killing the people of other sects was considered a right action, whereas killing of an innocent man was tantamount to murder of the whole of humanity, according to the teaching of the Holy Quran.

Dr Mirza Arshad Ali Beg, former director general of the Institute of Scientific and Industrial Pakistan, said that feudal system had been abolished in India, but 2,200 billionaires were born over there. He said that Pakistan was under a huge debt of foreign and domestic loans. “How can it become a welfare state?”

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Aug 2015 19:57

^^^ The difference is thus - PM Modi has a very pro-active foreign policy. It is not the passivity of the Manmohan Singh government. As most recent example, NaMo's visit to UAE. I don't think I need to list all the foreign policy initiatives that NaMo has undertaken starting with getting SAARC together at his inauguration.

I think NaMo is almost definitely working off a "grand strategy", its outlines and objectives are visible, its details are not.

We do not know, for instance, whether cutting Pakistan a little slack was necessary to sweeten the pot for the detractors in the UAE who might be reluctant to embrace PM Modi and India. I'm dead certain that what UAE did was not unanimous in UAE, there would have been some dissent and debate there.

The above paragraph is a hypothetical example only.

So I am quite certain that when PM Modi gives in somewhere, it is because he is getting something more somewhere else. Strategy should not be viewed at the individual two-body game level. In a crude quantitative way, assign some value number to each of India's important relationships. Each action India takes, adds or diminishes to each of these numbers. You want to keep increasing the sum total, without falling below certain thresholds on some relationships and so on.

I am sure the Congress government also understood all of this; but one never got the sense that if they gave a little here, they were getting something more back elsewhere. It seemed like a constant stream of one-sided give-aways.

I suggest, at the end of each month, ask if India's standing overall gained or fell, and was the gain with the more important relationships or with the less important ones, and that is how you should judge it.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby member_29119 » 19 Aug 2015 19:59

Sorry gurus. but whats a d-bag?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby dnivas » 19 Aug 2015 20:10

Apurva wrote:Sorry gurus. but whats a d-bag?


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby menon s » 19 Aug 2015 20:12

the two recent trending themes in twitter hashtag in pakistan in the past 24 hrs has been #wakeupkabul and #wearbanglesnawazsharif....?

most profiles show young women, men. mostly from pti, their profiles common on "love & respect armed forces".........

the first one is about afghan army killing pakistani soldiers over durand line....it threatens afghanistan, saying amongst other things,, "that pak is a atami thakat" and that afgh would have a better destiby if it doesnt tow endian lines?

second is about , modiji, ridiculing nawaz as a mere bizinessman.. attracted to bania modi!!!!!


point i make, is that, within, pak, the army wants a civilian change of face to imran pti... from nawaz the bizinessman?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Paul » 19 Aug 2015 20:25

Interesting

Mohammad Taqi ‏@mazdaki 59m59 minutes ago
CIA's Bearden offered to have Hamid Gul's son educated in Texas "we did it for Gen Akthar's all kids" !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby rsingh » 19 Aug 2015 20:42

^^^
Saar please post link as well.

Question : Public beating in KSA are held in public on Jumadin. How come we see no youtube video of hazamaet-e-laltopi, heinji?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Aug 2015 21:00

http://twocircles.net/2015aug19/1439996379.html
Pakistan invite to Hurriyat aimed to scuttle talks: India
New Delhi : Pakistan's invite to Kashmiri separatist leaders ahead of the NSA talks was "designed to scuttle" the August 23-24 parley, and follows a typical pattern the Pakistani military-intelligence establishment has been following since the Ufa talks between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif to heighten tension, sources said on Wednesday.

The government was adopting a "wait and watch" mode and is keeping "all its options open" on the slated talks in New Delhi between India's National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and his Pakistani counterpart Sartaj Aziz.

The July 10 talks in Ufa, Russia, brought in a sense of bonhomie between the two neighbours, with a joint statement issued, which included the NSA talks in New Delhi to discuss the issue of terrorism.

But immediately after that, tension was ratcheted up by Pakistan over the Ufa meeting, with cross border firings, in which mortar shells were used, then the Gurdaspur and Udhampur attacks followed, and the latest was the invite to the Hurriyat on August 23 to meet Aziz.

"The game plan is very clear - to scuttle the talks from day one," said the sources, adding that they were watching to see how the situation evolves.

"We are monitoring the situation, and will respond appropriately," the sources said, but declined to elaborate on what it means by "appropriately".

Aziz also took "20 days" to confirm if he would attend the talks, adding to the atmosphere of uncertainty.

Since Kashmir is not to be discussed between the two NSAs, inviting the Kashmiri separatists does not really make sense.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby RamaY » 19 Aug 2015 21:02

rsingh wrote:Bakistani may do some explosion in Pindi or some dhamaka in Lahore and then sing for 5 years about the surprise promised by GOI. Only God knows what is hidden in dark corridors of MEA. I hope they ask Bakisatani to vacate that plot in Chanakypuri and turn it into Sulabh Sauchalya.


If Pakis can large enough Dhamaka that kills 4-5 crore commandus & few hundred uniform jihadis, I wouldn't mind them blaming evil Hindus for a month. They can repeat this as long as they want to blame evil Hindustan.
Last time evil Hindus did terrorism in Pakistan territory they held 93000 uniformed jihadis as POWs!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby johneeG » 19 Aug 2015 21:04

menon s wrote:the two recent trending themes in twitter hashtag in pakistan in the past 24 hrs has been #wakeupkabul and #wearbanglesnawazsharif....?

most profiles show young women, men. mostly from pti, their profiles common on "love & respect armed forces".........

the first one is about afghan army killing pakistani soldiers over durand line....it threatens afghanistan, saying amongst other things,, "that pak is a atami thakat" and that afgh would have a better destiby if it doesnt tow endian lines?

second is about , modiji, ridiculing nawaz as a mere bizinessman.. attracted to bania modi!!!!!


point i make, is that, within, pak, the army wants a civilian change of face to imran pti... from nawaz the bizinessman?


Najam Sethi floated the theory that Imran was just a bali ka bakra. The actual plan was coup only. Remember, Gen Shareef was going all over the world meeting everyone. Perhaps, he was getting feel of what would be the reaction if there is a coup. I think the chances of coup have increased tremendously from the time, Modi govt came. I wonder why that coup plan was not implemented. Maybe the other political parties were not ready to co-operate. That explains the change of track and going after every political party.

Already, MQM(Mohajirs) is being persecuted. PPP(Sindh) is being caged. That leaves the two Shareefs. Nawaz Shareef is being weakened slowly. So, the coup seems imminent.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Aug 2015 21:13

http://www.ifreepress.com/8709-ahead-of ... -party-of/
Aziz said that Pakistan would send its agenda to India with a confirmation letter for the coming talks so that there could be no misunderstanding “about what has to be discussed”

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Hari Seldon » 19 Aug 2015 21:39

Here's one clue for why the Bakis suddenly grew balls big enough to slap Saudi on the face (and base) in the Yemen hangama.

AMbrose Evans Pritchard (or blowhard) in the telegraph UK predicts that Saudi could go bankrupt by 2020 due to US shale capping pricing ability severely. Recommended read.

So the Bakis figured out the emperor is butt naked and bolted into PRC alms.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilp ... ckles.html

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Aug 2015 21:52

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/ltuc5j ... talks.html
Former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal was of the view that the invitation to Kashmiri separatists would have been anticipated by India. “For Pakistan, this is a prestige issue and a way to show their domestic audience that Kashmir is on the table of talks; not only terrorism. If the government calls off the talks, it will be going against India’s position that Hurriyat is peripheral to the India-Pakistan process. Calling off talks will only raise the stature,” he sad. India could detain these leaders in Kashmir, which will effectively send the message that “they can’t play games in our backyard.”


Meanwhile, news reports on Wednesday said Pakistan has sought mediation from the UN to resolve the Kashmir dispute. The country summoned the Indian deputy high commissioner J.P. Singh yet again to protest “unprovoked firing” by India along its borders that resulted in the death of one Pakistani national, a statement from the Pakistan foreign office forwarded by the Pakistan high commission in New Delhi said.


“Pakistani provocations—firing at the LoC and talking to Kashmiri separatists—are likely aimed at taking the focus off the terrorism issue,” said Lisa Curtis, senior research fellow at the Washington-based Heritage Foundation think tank, via email. “If India forges on with talks, it will have the opportunity to raise its demands on terrorism,” she said.

“Sticking to the talks could help India continue to make its case against Pakistan-sponsored terrorism on the international stage. India can keep the talks going with Pakistan and, at the same time, forge an international consensus that acknowledges Pakistan’s continued support for groups like the Laskhar-e-Taiba is contributing to the spread of global terrorism. Unless Pakistan takes serious steps to rein in terrorists that operate from within its borders against both Afghanistan and India, it will face continued instability and increasing international isolation,” Curtis added.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 19 Aug 2015 21:58

So I am quite certain that when PM Modi gives in somewhere, it is because he is getting something more somewhere else. Strategy should not be viewed at the individual two-body game level. In a crude quantitative way, assign some value number to each of India's important relationships. Each action India takes, adds or diminishes to each of these numbers.


That is all well and good. My point is that it is clear that the pakis have gamed India's reaction not least due to "8% economy will lift India's foreign policy too" rhetoric that is repeated by all politicians and babus. Pakis reaction is that "war is not good for business" -- push us and we will bring you war. That is a stalemate, and effectively moves us back to the mid 90s in terms of how pakistan deals with India -- granted all things are not the same in terms of context, which gives India more room. Summarily, the pakis have to be taught that they cannot game our behavior, which means behaving unpredictably to cause them pain without necessarily harming ourselves. Don't see that happening in the current context. Gen. Ata Hasnain's recent article points to people in the MoD who have leash on all the PR with respect to Pakistan, which needs to change for the Indian armed forces to move in a different direction than what has been gamed by the pakis.


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