Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby johneeG » 29 Aug 2015 09:39

asgkhan wrote:What or who is the 'martyrdom' ? And why do abduls who have such magnetic personalities attracting bullets, always are in a hurry to embrace it ?


Some causes are so worthy, its glorious even to fail or die fighting. :P

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby KLNMurthy » 29 Aug 2015 10:03

Brad Goodman wrote:...Unless they are producing plutonium out of their Musharrafs there is no way they can crank it up.


bleddy bewakoof kafir. It is pakistan. What else will they produce but Pu?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby abhijitm » 29 Aug 2015 11:27

A_Gupta wrote:Is extracting uranium from phosphate fertilizer (52 milligrams/kg) as mentioned here feasible?
http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/archiv ... s-u-supply

Not that easy. Also you get too little.

Country like Jordan who has uranium in their mined phosphate has already racked up the rate and it is out of the reach of pakis in terms of affordability.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby chetak » 29 Aug 2015 11:37

KLNMurthy wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:...Unless they are producing plutonium out of their Musharrafs there is no way they can crank it up.


bleddy bewakoof kafir. It is pakistan. What else will they produce but Pu?


it is china onlee. creating an international bogeyman to scare the peepuls

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2015 15:55

Falijee wrote:Former Pakistani Diplomat accused of Blasphemy for speaking at Ahmadiyya convention
Legislators from both ruling and opposition benches in Pakistan’s Punjab Assembly on Thursday severely criticised the statement of former Pakistani diplomat to UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan[*] in which he said that the decision to declare Ahmadiyya Muslims a minority in Pakistan was wrong.

This ex-Ambassador's passport is liable to be revoked, unless he already has a Canadian one, for having violated one of the conditions for getting a passport in Pakistan. Then, a Qadri will get him.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2015 16:36

US to provide Ah-1Z Viper attack helicopters to Pakistan: Report
The US has decided to provide Ah-1Z Viper attack helicopters to Pakistan to sharpen up its counter-terrorism efforts, a media report said today.

The Department of Defence has already awarded nearly $58 million in contract to Bell Helicopter for providing the choppers to Pakistan as part of a larger $581 million deal, most of which goes to the American Navy, the Dawn reported.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2015 16:48

Pakistan accuses India of sabotaging peace efforts - PTI
Pakistan has accused India of sabotaging peace efforts and putting the regional security and stability at stake by objecting to include Kashmir issue in the bilateral dialogue.

Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan said that Pakistan was having clear view of peace in the region and having friendly relations with the neighbouring countries, but unfortunately the same had not been reciprocated from the other sides, according to a statement issued in Islamabad.

He said “the Indian government’s objection over consultation with Kashmiri leaders was unjustified”.

Last week, India-Pakistan ties hit a new low after Islamabad decided against sending National Security Adviser Sartaj Aziz to New Delhi to hold discussions with his Indian counterpart Ajit Doval.

The proposed talks were called off because of differences over the agenda proposed by Islamabad, and a planned meeting between Kashmiri separatists and Aziz.

India, Mr. Khan said, was trying to sabotage the efforts for peace on one pretext or the other and is putting regional security and stability at stake.

“The Kashmir issue was the major hurdle in the normalisation of relations between the two countries and establishment of peace in the region,” Khan said as he held talks with British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond in London on Friday.

Mr. Khan said India must understand that the dialogue process could not proceed further without discussion on the Kashmir issue.

He said Pakistan would continue its efforts for peace in the region, but it would never accept hegemony or dominance of any country.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2015 17:38

Conspiracy against Pakistan foiled - DT Op-ed
A section of the print media carried the news that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his recent visit to the UAE had told the authorities: “If all the Arab countries including Saudi Arabia show indifferent attitude to defence cooperation with Pakistan, then India will extend full cooperation to Arab countries on all defence-related matters including Yemen.” But India has miserably failed in using Muslim countries against Pakistan, as Saudi Arabia has rejected the Indian offer for defence cooperation, and Saudi king and Khadimul-Haramain Sharif said in categorical terms that Saudi Arabia would never allow any conspiracy against Pakistan to succeed. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia has informed formally the government of Pakistan and defence authorities with regard to the Indian move, besides holding out an assurance that no Arab country including Saudi Arabia will ever become part of any conspiracy against Pakistan. Rather, Saudi Arabia will fortify its ties with Pakistan more than ever before. :rotfl:

In March 2015, after statements from the Leader of the Opposition Syed Khursheed Shah and others demanding that the matter be discussed in parliament, Federal Defence Minister Khawaja Asif had told the National Assembly: “Pakistan has only pledged to safeguard the territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia on Saudi request. We will not take part in any conflict that could result in differences in the Muslim world, causing fault lines present in Pakistan to be disturbed and aggravated, which will have to be borne by Pakistan.”. However, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had made it clear that any threat to Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity would evoke a strong response from Pakistan. Of course, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are brotherly countries, and both countries have stood by each other in testing times. But Pakistan did not like the division of the Muslim world on sectarian lines.

Pakistan rather wished to contribute towards bringing them closer. However, UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Muhammad Garhash had warned Pakistan of having to pay a “heavy price” for taking what he called an “ambiguous stand”. “Pakistan should take a clear position in favour of its strategic relations with the six-nation Arab Gulf Cooperation Council. Though our economic and investment assets are inevitable, political support is missing at critical moments,” Gargash had added. Of course, there are a large number of skilled and unskilled workers working in Gulf countries, and they are not receiving dole but working hard and contributing towards their development. Though Pakistani expatriates’ remittances from the Gulf countries are substantial and help the economy, yet the foreign policy of Pakistan cannot be determined on this basis.

It appears that such statements were meant to push Pakistan to contribute troops to the coalition. During his visit to the UAE on August 16-17, India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi tried to capitalise on the misunderstanding between Pakistan and the UAE that had emanated from the statements of UAE officials. He tried to spoil relations between two Muslim countries by insinuating that Pakistan threatened the stability of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries because of religious extremism. It was reported that India and the UAE agreed to “coordinate efforts to counter radicalisation and misuse of religion by groups and countries for inciting hatred, perpetrating and justifying terrorism or pursuing political aims”. In a veiled reference to Pakistan, the joint statement said that both sides “denounce and oppose terrorism in all forms and manifestations, and call on all states to reject and abandon the use of terrorism against other countries.”

The UAE has had very close all-round ties with Pakistan. It was one of the three countries that had recognised the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The UAE and Saudi Arabia had in the past stood by Pakistan during wars with India. Both countries had expected Pakistan to join them in their military operations in Yemen. Narendra Modi during his visit to the UAE tried to stir up feelings by telling the Arab countries that they had been let down by Pakistan’s unwillingness to do so, in view of its relations with Iran. Narendra Modi was basking in the glow of perceived success in creating a breach between Pakistan and the Arab countries. Saudi Arabia remembers that Pakistan had sent more than a division of troops to Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War, when its security required it.

The question is whether India would send a few brigades of troops to fight against the Houthis in Yemen? Of course not, because India has institutionalised state-to-state relations with Iran, whereas with the Gulf countries it has only economic relations. There is much euphoria in India that the national security advisors of India and UAE would meet every six months, which is a part of establishing a comprehensive strategic partnership vis-a-vis fortifying defence relations, including organising regular exercises and training of naval, air, land and special forces, and working together in coastal defence. The UAE investment institutions will be encouraged to raise their investments in India through the establishment of a UAE-India infrastructure investment fund, with the aim of reaching a target of $ 75 billion to support investment in India's infrastructure. But these are only MoUs and one would not know for sure if any of them would materialise.

However, what is surprising is that the UAE extended support to India’s candidature for a permanent seat in the UN Security Council, as the two countries called for an expeditious reform of the UN body. The assurance came after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s talks with the UAE leadership, including Crown Prince Mohamed Bin Zayed Al Nahyan. Once again, this is an effort to put pressure on Pakistan to submit to the will of kings, autocrats and plutocrats. The ineptness of the rulers is evident from the fact that more than 1.3 billion people, one-fifth of humanity, live in the OIC states. All the 1.3 billion put together have an annual GDP of less than $ 1.5 trillion. The annual GDP of the US with a population of 290 million is around $ 18 trillion; and the European Union countries with a population of 500 million have a GDP of $ 18.5 billion. It is food for thought for the Muslim countries.

The author concedes that the UAE is slipping away from Pakistani hands, but hopes to somehow retain KSA. So, he proffers a lie with which he started the article.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 29 Aug 2015 17:42

COO of Sui Southern Gas Company in Rangers custody for 90 days - Dawn
The Pakistan Rangers informed an anti-terrorism court on Saturday that the Chief Operating Officer and Deputy Managing Director of the Sui Southern Gas Company's (SSGC) Shoaib Warsi and two other senior officials associated with the organisation, Zohair Siddique and Kamran Nagi, were under preventive detention for 90 days.

The personnel of the paramilitary force produced the three detainees in the chamber of ATC-I judge Bashir Ahmed Khoso.

Rangers officials contended that the SSGC officials had been detained for a 90-day preventive remand for inquiry under Section 11-EEEE of the Anti Terrorism Act (ATA), 1997. They said the measure was taken upon receiving credible information about the officials' involvement in offences that came within the ATA's ambit.

Rangers officials said the detainees were produced along with a detention order and a jail warrant for the court's information in accordance with Section 11-EEEE(3) of the ATA.

Today’s development comes a day after Sindh Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah said that interference by federal agencies in the provincial government’s affairs amounted to “invasion of Sindh” and that he had already lodged a protest with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

The uncharacteristic outburst of anger was the chief minister’s first reaction after the arrest of Dr Asim Hussain, former federal minister and Chairman of Sindh’s Higher Education Commission.

Dr Asim was placed under a 90-day preventive detention in Rangers custody earlier this week under Section 11-EEEE of the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997 for questioning.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Aug 2015 18:11

Another obituary for Hamid Gul, in the Huffington Post, this is a really good one.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mohammad- ... 45014.html

In his day, the late general had turned Pakistan virtually into a jihadist Noah's Ark ...


General Hamid Gul was the military equivalent of Osama bin Laden. He died with his boots on and blood of the innocents on his hands. One must never speak ill of the dead; it is the jihadist life and legacy of General Hamid Gul, however, which is impossible to ignore if further bloodshed and mayhem in Pakistan and the region is to be averted.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Falijee » 29 Aug 2015 18:19

Arrest of Gas Co. COO, custody of AAZ cronies and the public wailing of Sindh CM, Rangers MQM/ Karachi Operations, Army Actions in Frontier and Balochistan, action against Altaf Bhai, sending Delegation to DC for Release of Funds, are all indicators (some desperate) of P.A. rule under the guise of civilian rule to get around the Kerry- Lugar Act imposed by Massa and keep the Moolah coming for this rentier entity; my guess is that this will go on indefinitely, at least in the short term .

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby manjgu » 29 Aug 2015 18:31

for me the best part was

Gul, a former cavalryman, was never to win a set-piece military engagement in his life despite insisting to the then Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto that Jalalabad would "fall within a week."

in the glorious tradition of Pak fauj !!

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

Postby Peregrine » 29 Aug 2015 18:39

PCB chief says India series not end of the world
KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Shaharyar Khan has said Pakistan ‘can survive’ without playing cricket against India but hoped the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) would adhere to the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between the boards and improve the prospects of bilateral series in the future. “Given the present circumstance, the chances of a Pakistan-India series look bleak and we have to live with the fact that India are not going to play us,” Shaharyar said. “At the same time the BCCI hasn’t formally refused us, but we can’t wait long amid this uncertainty and have got to have an alternative plan. We will wait for another couple of months before forcing our plan B.

India’s refusal to play Pakistan in recent years has cost the PCB over $80 million in terms of broadcasting and other commercial deals. “We understand the BCCI is financially very sound and we are the ones who have suffered a lot in all this,” Shaharyar said. “It’s not that we can’t survive without playing them. We are surviving, and can survive, but our position is that the game shouldn’t be mixed up with the politics.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Shreeman » 29 Aug 2015 19:00

JE Menon wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGQjD0MvW8Y

die laughing


You can not die laughing without a discussion of the core issue between posters and moderators. JEM must understand this. The whole forum is being prevented from dying laughing due admin sabotage. The posters are having a clear view of peace on the fprum and having friendly relations with neighboring posters. Unfortunately the same has not been reciprocated from the other sides. We say "the admins objection over posting uncle related nonsense in military forums was unjustified" in a statement. The ties are taking a hit. There are no talks between counterparts and week long bans are being issued left and right.The refusal to discuss this in the bskistan thread puts thread stability atrisk and and military sub fprum at the stake. By simply not discussing whether US related nonsense is in fact "non sense".

Also, no hegemony or dominance. This is a family forum.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Aug 2015 19:34

^^^ This cannot be resolved without PakTeaHouse participation. They are not a third party, they are essential in this poster-moderator conflict.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Karan M » 29 Aug 2015 20:26

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan accuses India of sabotaging peace efforts - PTI
Pakistan has accused India of sabotaging peace efforts and putting the regional security and stability at stake by objecting to include Kashmir issue in the bilateral dialogue.

Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan said that Pakistan was having clear view of peace in the region and having friendly relations with the neighbouring countries, but unfortunately the same had not been reciprocated from the other sides, according to a statement issued in Islamabad.

He said “the Indian government’s objection over consultation with Kashmiri leaders was unjustified”.

Last week, India-Pakistan ties hit a new low after Islamabad decided against sending National Security Adviser Sartaj Aziz to New Delhi to hold discussions with his Indian counterpart Ajit Doval.

The proposed talks were called off because of differences over the agenda proposed by Islamabad, and a planned meeting between Kashmiri separatists and Aziz.

India, Mr. Khan said, was trying to sabotage the efforts for peace on one pretext or the other and is putting regional security and stability at stake.

“The Kashmir issue was the major hurdle in the normalisation of relations between the two countries and establishment of peace in the region,” Khan said as he held talks with British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond in London on Friday.

Mr. Khan said India must understand that the dialogue process could not proceed further without discussion on the Kashmir issue.

He said Pakistan would continue its efforts for peace in the region, but it would never accept hegemony or dominance of any country.
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Criminals accuse the homeowners association of violating peace and prosperity in the neighbourhood by refusing to discuss how thieves may enter each of their houses every day. Grave violation of rights and indicative of need for hegemony and dominance by the home owners.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby JE Menon » 29 Aug 2015 22:49

Shreeman wrote:
JE Menon wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGQjD0MvW8Y

die laughing


You can not die laughing without a discussion of the core issue between posters and moderators. JEM must understand this. The whole forum is being prevented from dying laughing due admin sabotage. The posters are having a clear view of peace on the fprum and having friendly relations with neighboring posters. Unfortunately the same has not been reciprocated from the other sides. We say "the admins objection over posting uncle related nonsense in military forums was unjustified" in a statement. The ties are taking a hit. There are no talks between counterparts and week long bans are being issued left and right.The refusal to discuss this in the bskistan thread puts thread stability atrisk and and military sub fprum at the stake. By simply not discussing whether US related nonsense is in fact "non sense".

Also, no hegemony or dominance. This is a family forum.


??? - is there a message here? I don't get it...

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Shreeman » 29 Aug 2015 22:52

It is a simple joke on the state of india bakistan talks, cancellations, recriminations, ... Its not like the rest of the news or commentary is any more meaningful or insightful than this.

No, no message. But I do think Arun Gupta is not qualified to introduced new participants as he lacks the requisite 2 feet 7 inch beard. That too after jumma has passed. He might be a RAA agint trying to destabilize the situation.

edit -- ps, the language was directly from the bakistani lament posted and quoted.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Rahul M » 29 Aug 2015 22:56

JE Menon wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGQjD0MvW8Y

die laughing

oh dear god. that walking up with the pink panther theme in background. :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby JE Menon » 29 Aug 2015 23:01

^^I know.. It looks like there's some chap calling himself "Gurudev" who's systematically putting up youtube clips showing Pakistan in a positive light. There's a ton of them... Incredible shite. There's one at a Bhutto rally where the participants end up fighting over cake and can be seen shouting Bhutto zindabad with cake all over their faces... Some truly primal stuff.


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Looks like this moron is the only journalist in Delhi that missed the MEA's press conference.

Either that, or he does not think that the press briefing counts as speaking to the press.

Either way he has made a complete idiot of himself by writing this article.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 30 Aug 2015 01:22

Guys, any speculation on what could possibly be cooking?

http://www.voanews.com/content/rice-in- ... 37604.html

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Amber G. » 30 Aug 2015 02:16

Per WSJ reporting - per white house it is about
.. "get government to step up efforts to prevent terrorists from using its territory for attacks on its neighbors" and is "unrelated to India-Pak tension" (explicitly mentioned by white house

Rice to Press Pakistan on Antiterror Vigilance

Afghan civil society members hold national flags Saturday as they condemn recent attacks in Kabul. The Haqqani network, which the U.s. says is based in Pakistan, is blamed by U.S. and Afghan intelligence for a series of bombings in Kabul earlier in August.
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—U.S. national security adviser Susan Rice is set to arrive in Pakistan on Sunday to press the country’s government to do more to prevent terrorists from using its territory as a base for attacks on its neighboring states, an American official said.

Washington has warned Pakistan that its stands to lose $300 million in military aid if it doesn’t step up efforts to combat the Haqqani network, an Afghan insurgent group that U.S. officials says is based in Pakistan and has close ties to Islamabad’s military intelligence agency.

The Haqqani network is blamed by U.S. and Afghan intelligence for a series of bombings in Kabul earlier in August.

Ms. Rice is due to meet with Pakistan’s top civilian and military leadership for discussion that will include “terrorist and militant attacks emanating from Pakistani soil,” the U.S. official said.

The visit also comes amid rising tension between India and Pakistan, in the wake of a canceled meeting between the two countries’ national security advisers. Each side blamed the other for derailing the talks, which had been set for last Monday.

Nine civilians were killed Friday by cross-border firing between the estranged neighbors, authorities on the two sides said. The U.S. official, however, said that the trip, planned for weeks, wasn’t in response to the India-Pakistan strains.

Pakistan denies that Afghan insurgent leaders are based in the country. Islamabad also complains bitterly that the U.S. wants Pakistan both to fight the Taliban and bring them to the negotiating table. Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the military didn't respond to requests for comment on Saturday.

In tentative peace talks held in early July outside Islamabad, a senior U.S. diplomat was present during a meeting between representatives of the Afghan government and the Taliban, including at least one member of the Haqqani network, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials. The Haqqani network is designated as a foreign terrorist organization by the U.S., unlike the Taliban.

Following the belated revelation late last month that Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar had died two years ago, the leadership of the group met in the western Pakistani city of Quetta, according to the Taliban. The head of the Haqqani network, Sirajuddin Haqqani, was made the new deputy leader of the Taliban at the meeting, further blurring the lines between the two groups.

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is due to meet President Barack Obama at the White House in October. U.S. officials say that no decision has been made yet on whether to punish Pakistan financially over the Haqqani network, saying that Islamabad still has time to act against the group.

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Postby Karan M » 30 Aug 2015 03:53

JE Menon wrote:^^I know.. It looks like there's some chap calling himself "Gurudev" who's systematically putting up youtube clips showing Pakistan in a positive light. There's a ton of them... Incredible shite. There's one at a Bhutto rally where the participants end up fighting over cake and can be seen shouting Bhutto zindabad with cake all over their faces... Some truly primal stuff.



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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby member_28442 » 30 Aug 2015 03:53

^^ you tull?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby sanjaykumar » 30 Aug 2015 04:15

These are the crazed Islamists India needs to nuke?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Anujan » 30 Aug 2015 04:16

About the Susan Rice visit: I had posted this earlier:
Anujan wrote:Part of the reason why Pakis are going hysterical about India is to distract everyone from whats going on in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has lost even the fig leaf that it provided no support to the Taliban. Taliban worthies are traveling by road from Quetta to Murree to hold "peace process" in Murree. Now they are openly holding Jirgas in Quetta to rally support for Mullah Mansoor. Pakis cannot deny that they dont know where the taliban are: Just go to the largest "AoA Jeeeeeeehaaaaaarrrrrrrrddddddd!!!!!!" chanting crowd in Quetta.

That would by itself not be a bad thing, but in the past month Taliban have orchestrated spectacular attacks, car bombs and such. Now they have completely overrun another district. They are not a "political party". Pakistan is now bound by UN resolution on terrorism to apprehend, arrest and take action against the Taliban leaders. But Pakistan is not doing any of that.

Understandably Afghanistan is upset and are questioning Pakistan's motives. Diplomatic relations is at a low, Paki diplomats have been ordered to cease all their movements. Now how can Pakistan act?

INDIAAAAA!!!! CASHMEEEREEEE!!!!!

SDREs should concentrate on exposing Paki perfidy in Afghanistan. "Worry of Indian influence" is no excuse to kill and maim innocent citizens of Afghanistan and to destroy its social fabric.


Pakistan afghanistan relations have nosedived. The latest taliban attacks in Afghanistan are actually quite frightening. Some of the recent attacks could have been much worse, if they had gone through as planned. This is actually quite puzzling to me:

The new Army Chief fella is actually quite serious in rooting out internal terrorism (obviously Pakis will never stop terror against India). He met with Ghani and worked out an arrangement of Afghanistan helping the Pakis with TTP in return for Pakis putting pressure on Taliban for talks. Afghans wanted Pakis to weaken the taliban by preventing them from openly meeting or holding jirgas. Grapevine has it that bad Sharif actually gave his word to Afghans on this.

Afghanistan delivered. They clamped down on TTP and attacks inside Pakistan have dramatically reduced. To the extent that TTP is not a viable fighting force anymore and are not capable of spectacular attacks that they did before. On top of that TTP sympathizers (like Taliban Khan) also have lost popular support.

Strangely Pakistan hasnt delivered on its side of the bargain. I say "strangely" because I do not doubt the intention of Bad Sharif when he made the personal promise to Afghanistan. Taliban are conducting deadly attacks, are conducting jirgas and more worryingly are seeing battlefield success and are overrunning several districts. If this continues, they are unlikely to enter into a peace process, they'd rather take over and hold territory. Ghani is losing support for his "talks with Pakistan" approach. Remember that Abdullah Abdullah is still a rival and Afghanistan has its own political dynamics.

Coming back to what I meant by "strangely". I do not believe that Bad Sharif was indulging in Taqiyya. What I do think is that Bad Sharif does not have complete control over the ISI and does not have complete consensus within his crore kammandus. They are all putting a unified front but I think that Bad Sharif has had to step back a bit from his ambitious goals of reining in Afghan Taliban. He used to make grand statements about them, these days he does talk once in a while against domestic terrorists but doesnt speak at all about Afghan Taliban. I think that he has had to do a quid pro quo with his Crore kammandus.

Susan Rice's visit should be seen in this content. Massa realizes that Afghan-Pakistan agreement is unraveling. Afghanistan is under tremendous domestic pressure to give back as good as it gets. Remember that they demonstrated that they could kill Naseruddin Haqqani (that too in Pindi) and train and shelter their own proxies for retaliatory action against Pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Aug 2015 04:17

This is the link to second part. But this guy Javed Akhtar - I know, I know he is the hubby of Shabana Azmi but bear with me - is just incredibly hilarious in this one and the first part of the video.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Aug 2015 04:22

sanjaykumar: I think we should develop a WMD (I mean a Weapon of Mass Diabetes). Nuc WMDs are too simplistic. At least people will die happy and fat with the first. There is no scorched earth left behind.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby svinayak » 30 Aug 2015 04:27

A_Gupta wrote:Another obituary for Hamid Gul, in the Huffington Post, this is a really good one.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mohammad- ... 45014.html

General Hamid Gul was the military equivalent of Osama bin Laden. He died with his boots on and blood of the innocents on his hands. One must never speak ill of the dead; it is the jihadist life and legacy of General Hamid Gul, however, which is impossible to ignore if further bloodshed and mayhem in Pakistan and the region is to be averted.


The comment section from a western guy and what the Uncle and UK govt did to support from behind to Gul

A great piece of post facto literature about a man whose evil, anti democratic, fanatical and expansionist tendencies the US denied in public even though it funded these activities from the time of William Casey and Ronald Reagan.

The British were no different. They too gave him what he wanted. It was a time they wanted to wound the Indians and to keep them from realizing their full potential as a deomcratic market oriented economic and political power.

The US and Britain and much of Europe favoured this man, Osama Ben Laden and many of the other despotic tyrants that ruled Pakistan and Afghanistan for decades. It came back to bite them in their proverbials. It will continue to haunt them for decades to come.

Today the west's investment in China, both financially and politically is in tatters. The results of that miscalculation will drag them further into an abyss they created for themselves along with Europe.

Pakistan was a satellite of both China and the US and the illegitimate child of their attempts at 'containing' an emergent India. Gul played the Arabs, the Americans and the Europeans at a game they thought they knew best. In the end one cannot deny that he largely achieved what he wanted to in the name of his religion and his political objectives.

The ISIS and other terror groups needless to say are the result of the seeds of Jihand he planted in Afghanistan from where it sprouted and expanded into the middle east where the US and the west 'softened the ground' for their entry and take over of these places.

Whilst Hamid Gul was a brilliant general in his field, he waged war against the west and India by way of deception. No doubt he knew the whereabouts of Osama Ben Laden as he did and supported Mullah Omar whilst he had the "whiskey chugging English speaking generals" of the Pakistani army seduce and deceive the west.

The War in Kashmir will now favour the Indians. He was a big influence in Pakistan's army politics and a morale booster they will find hard to replace. he was the director of the Kashmiri Jihad. The US and China funded him in that direction.

China is in no mood or position to wage war or to support it in Pakistan financially. The Indians may just take advantage of that situation and go for it.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 30 Aug 2015 05:13

eklavya wrote:


Looks like this moron is the only journalist in Delhi that missed the MEA's press conference.

Either that, or he does not think that the press briefing counts as speaking to the press.

Either way he has made a complete idiot of himself by writing this article.


Look at his orientation. Of all the negativism and evils he could have chosen from, chief among them TSP terror in Gurdaspr, Udampur, LoC firings, Lakshvi relase to name just a few, all that the creep could come out is glowing praise of a Paki liar, and bashing his own govt.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby jrjrao » 30 Aug 2015 06:10

Oooo. The Pakis say enough is enough, and no more being nice to India any no more. Time to go on an all out offensive. Time to make the dhoti shiver in his dhoti.

This oncoming Paki offensive, designed carefully to overwhelm India into submission, involves the following two shockingly powerful punches:

1. Pakis will now endlessly bleat, bleat as in outgoating all known goats, making the Kashmir issue very very "international".

2. Pakistan will demand and enforce that "India’s major arms suppliers — the US, Israel and France — cease and desist" in selling India any more arms.

First, the predictable wife-beater Munir Akram.

Next, the equally roused up I-am-ullu, Allah

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Gus » 30 Aug 2015 06:19

Err can some mod fix page width.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 30 Aug 2015 07:38

CRamS wrote:Guys, any speculation on what could possibly be cooking?

http://www.voanews.com/content/rice-in- ... 37604.html

I think that as usual Pakistan is blackmailing the US. Nawaz Sharif wants to have a meeting with Obama to force certain issues probably on India and Afghanistan. Obama is unwilling to meet him perhaps. Pakistan did some kite flying by unilaterally 'announcing' a meeting between the US President & Nawaz last week, which the White House denied ! After the split of the Afghan Taliban, the talks between High Peace Council and the Taliban fraction led by Mansour are held up. There have been series of serious attacks on Afghanistan as well. Probably, Ghani complained to the US too that the attacks are orchestrated by the ISI and the Mansour faction and peace talks are stalled. On the India front too, Pakistan was intransigent and also issued a nuclear blackmail to India. The Rice visit will involve all these aspects. Pakistan would insist on a meeting between Obama & Nawaz. It is a prestige issue as well because Modi will meet Obama on September 28.

The trouble with the Rice visit is she will also meet with Gen. Raheel.


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