Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

habal · Post by **habal** » 28 Aug 2015 19:38

Singha wrote:either way its none of our problem if the pakis stockpile 5000 ready weapons. we are joined at the hip and are screwed anyway where its 20 or 200 or 2000.

its for the west to worry where these weapons could be leaked or sold the moment a x-national org gets such weapons they will make a beeline for western capitals, not india, which is a dung heap in comparison and always available to be nuked....so sire the flame and prestige of going after a western capital will be too much to resist.

I have gamed this nuke thing in various combinations for a while. Pakis have only first strike capability. Second strike is absent because there will no launch pads for second strike to happen. So they have to maximise 'dividends' from first strike. Satellite imaging and intel will expose launchers and airfields on nuclear alert. I am predicting quite a few launches itself will be neutralized. BMD will neutralize the other half, so for success first strike has to be very large numbers. It's not going to work really, since India has to only target pakjab fauji establishment and pakistan crumbles away. It's a no-brainer that Pakistan will never use nukes and USA will never allow them to use it. Pakjab just doesn't have any land depth for nuke warfare.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 28 Aug 2015 19:40

^^ they obviously would not rely on missiles , if indeed that have a functional bum...

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 28 Aug 2015 19:49

Just a gentil reminder about Zia. He was pucca harami in his own right. Remmember from my jingostic college days. He used to toy with Mr Gandhi on monthly basis. He started kirkit diplomacy IIRC. Used to insult India and Indans on daily basis. In short harami gul and musharraf are nothing compared to him. He was on hype because CIA backed him and e thought he had personel contcts in Washington. He was given his 72 KGB and/or RAW......Imo.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Aug 2015 20:03

A_Gupta wrote:Former Foreign Secy. Romesh Bhandari: (2001)
http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jul/16spec.htm

Rajiv said he and Zia had come to some agreement over Kashmir. It could have solved the issue, but unfortunately Zia died in the 1988 plane crash and the hope of an Indo-Pak agreement got crushed. That solution was to keep talking on the border issue. In the meantime we would go ahead with our economical and cultural discussions, almost freezing the Kashmir issue and allowing a better life to Kashmiris.

So, both Rajiv and Zia were murdered. Hmmm...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Aug 2015 20:10

I don't know if its worth responding to such BS from TSPA, but a good response to this would be, that TSP need not fear India as there is nothing that India needs from TSP except that TSP stops sending terrorists into India, and if it does that, there is nothing to fear

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 85117.aspx

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 28 Aug 2015 20:14

@Saip India has kashmir ..pakistan has kashmir issue !!

reading the dawn report on 1965 makes it looks they killed the entire indian army !! god lord mayhem all over kashmir..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Aug 2015 20:16

zia was taken out by a shia airman in the PAF iirc. this after he or his forbears had launched the war on shias in northern areas.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Aug 2015 20:44

CRamS wrote:I don't know if its worth responding to such BS from TSPA, but a good response to this would be, that TSP need not fear India as there is nothing that India needs from TSP except that TSP stops sending terrorists into India, and if it does that, there is nothing to fear

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 85117.aspx

CRamS - Pakis, especially the army, are too far gone. They have to keep doing things that they can display to their own countrymen as action against India or strength vis a vis India simply to be able to survive without being ridiculed and swept aside by an even more radical party. Reassuring them, or communicating with them in any way other than shooting at them is a useless exercise. When you shoot at them they make comments like "India is the external threat". And we are a threat to them and long may it remain that way. It is when we are conciliatory that the topic becomes "Kashmir". When Pakis are having their asses shot out they are not complaining about all the injustices that india is accused of perpetrating.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Aug 2015 21:04

SS, ji, Your belief that ZAB is the true destroyer/ villain is very true. In fact:
(1) he is the main architect of the breakup of the 'original' Pakistan (when egged on by the Army , he refused to accept defeat in the 1970 general elections, thus creating civil war conditions,leading to creation of BD)
(2) To give a more 'Islamic flavour'-he tried to save his own skin from the Aam Abduls-(a) by hosting the 1974 Islamic Summit (b) by declaring Ahmedis as non-Muslims (c)by changing the name of Lahore Stadium to Gadhaffi Stadium (d)by making Lyallpur into Faisalabad - and in the process got the much needed funds for the Islamic Bomb (e)by banning the sale of liquor, beer wines (f) prohibiting gambling. (g) introduce Friday as weekly holiday instead of Sunday (h)compulsory study of Islamyaat , as a subject in secondary school.

Unfortunately, all of these 'Islamic window-dressing' measures did not save him, from either clinging to power, or from the gallows, as he was basically using Islam, and secondly, he was authoritarian in nature, and never believed in democracy. But the legacy of Islamization, still lives on, with devastating effect.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 28 Aug 2015 21:11

Singha wrote:zia was taken out by a shia airman in the PAF iirc. this after he or his forbears had launched the war on shias in northern areas.

Looks like pakistan shias have become passive victims since those days

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Aug 2015 21:32

Pakistan Foreign Office In Damage Control Mode- Denies Reports of 'Fastest Growing Nuclear Arsenal'

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday strongly rejected a report published by a US think tank, which claimed that Pakistan has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world.

“The report is utterly baseless,” said Qazi Khalilullah, the spokesperson for the Foreign Office (FO).

Such reports have the effect of diverting attention from the exponential increase in India’s fissile material stockpiles,” added the spokesperson.

Read: Pakistan's nuclear stockpile could become world's third largest, says report

He also added that India’s stockpiles have grown as a result of deals with Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) countries which will have destabilising consequences for the region. [*]

[*] There has to be an India angle to the report

Earlier, the Washington Post had reported that Pakistan could become the third largest nuclear stock pile within the next five to ten years, behind only the United States and Russia, quoting reports published by two American think tanks.

The report was published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace [*]and the Stimson Center, said that Pakistan, out of its fear of India, was far outpacing its rival neighbour in the development of nuclear warheads and may be building 20 nuclear warheads annually.

[*] One reader has commented that Jews are 'in control' of this Think Tank, and therefore, there is the 'usual Jewish conspiracy' to malign Pakistan

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Aug 2015 21:52

From Shawal To Sialkot - Raheel Has His Hands Full

Gen Raheel visits working boundary, slams India's 'blatant violations'

ISLAMABAD: Army Chief General Raheel Sharif visited the working boundary and Rangers Headquarters in Sialkot and appreciated the high morale of troops deployed there against the India's 'blatant violations', DawnNews reported on Friday.

According to the details shared by the director general of Inter-Services Public Relations, Major General Asim Bajwa, the army chief lauded the efforts of troops deployed at the working boundary for replying to the Indian aggression in a befitting manner.

The army chief also visited the Combined Military Hospital in Sialkot to inquire about the health of civilians injured as a result of unprovoked by Indian border security forces.[*][/b]

[*][/b] Should not the task of 'inquiring about the health of civilians injured' be left to the Good Sharif, in the same way, as he enquired about the price of tamatar and piyaaz in the Pindi market, a few months ago, according to the concept of segregation of duties

“We can sense that there is definite linkage between terrorism being sponsored by India in various parts of Pakistan and belligerence along the working boundary and line of control,” the army chief asserted.

ISPR also released the figures of today’s casualties stating that eight people were martyred at the working boundary, including one woman and one child.

It further stated that “47 people were injured including 24 women and 11 children”.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 28 Aug 2015 21:55

I like it how the pakis are now calling the International Border, as a working boundary -- it just legitimizes India's case when take over Indian territory under paki occupation at some point.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 28 Aug 2015 21:57

^^^ Bakistan is a shower, not grower. Obviously they protest.

By the way, as bakistan is part of SAARC, why are the sundry afghans (all ethnicities), gurkhas, sinhalas, sikhs, nagas, and marathas not permitted to undertake bounty hunting not mention a rightful share of coalition support funds?

They are all victims of terririjm. Then how come the money only goes into baki kitty? It must be deposited (all of it, includin the past from day 1) into an interest earning escrow account until a suitable formula can be worked out. All equipment must be parked until its rightful owners can be designated under UN resolutions.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Aug 2015 22:08

I should have been informed about Dr Asim's arrest: Qaim Ali Shah, Chief Minister Of Sind

It seems that screws are slowly being tightened on the non-Punjabi (PPP, MQM) financial and political corruption elite of Pak society by the P.A.; for the time being, Dus Percenti, the shrewd political animal that he is, has left the sinking ship, for better climes; all this is being done under the guise of civilian cover to keep the moolah coming

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 28 Aug 2015 22:38

Former Pakistani Diplomat accused of Blasphemy for speaking at Ahmadiyya convention

Legislators from both ruling and opposition benches in Pakistan’s Punjab Assembly on Thursday severely criticised the statement of former Pakistani diplomat to UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan[*] in which he said that the decision to declare Ahmadiyya Muslims a minority in Pakistan was wrong.

[*] He can well afford to make these statements from the cooler climes of Londonistan ; in his own homeland, he has been declared Wajib-ul- Qatal

Contacted by phone, Mr Hassan told a local newspaper that he believed that Prophet Muhammad SAW is the last Prophet and a benefactor of all of humanity and that he never stated that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was a Prophet. Explaining the context his statement, he said that PPP-led National Assembly had taken the decision of declaring Ahmadis as non-Muslims “in-haste” and “under-pressure” [*][/b]He said he could not say Bhutto committed any wrong for he considered the late Prime Minister as his great leader.

[*] At that time, the Quaid- E- Awam,(ZAB) to save his own skin, was distributing Islamic goodies, left and right; this was one meat thrown, to keep the lions,(i.e. Aam Abduls) at bay

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 28 Aug 2015 23:01

gakakkad wrote:^^ they obviously would not rely on missiles , if indeed that have a functional bum...

Few years back (actually almost 10 years now) I had a conversation with Col Athale and he was of the opinion that paki nukes cannot be fitted on those NoKo ding dongs they are too heavy and bulky for that purpose. Only F16 was capable. I do not think anything has changed since NoKo hasn't done any more R&D in last many years

One question to learned members here. I am having a tough time swallowing this BS about paki arsenal growing. I mean does pak have lots of Uranium sources? If not then it will always be short. India is still having tough time sourcing it from Aussies and Kazaks. Pakis don't even have money to buy it in open for gray market. Plus its not like the number of reactors have gone up. Unless they are producing plutonium out of their Musharrafs there is no way they can crank it up.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 28 Aug 2015 23:18

Brad wrote: I mean does pak have lots of Uranium sources? If not then it will always be short. India is still having tough time sourcing it from Aussies and Kazaks. Pakis don't even have money to buy it in open for gray market. Plus its not like the number of reactors have gone up. Unless they are producing plutonium out of their Musharrafs there is no way they can crank it up.

Exactly, Bradji. Pakis needed Xerox Khan's non-working centrifuges to purify Uranium, and their local scientific capacity has only gone down since then. However, China is the new variable -- they pretend to grandfather new nuclear reactors in violation of the NSG and NPT committments -- and they have both the uranium and may just be handing pakis the uranium and producing Pu in the new plants they are constructing.

But all the numbers thrown out of Non-Prol Ayotollahs and Arms control wonks are clearly bogus, not least because they do not have any more special sources to such information more than any other civilian entity. Outside of extrapolating based on 1 data point (the amount of U pakis had at some point and using assumptions about the rate of production of Pu) How exactly did those NPAs figure out how much more material pakis are creating, and even more importantly how exactly are pakis going to transform all of the generate Pu to bombs? I mean, these nookes are not exactly like a block of C4 to require some low-tech trigger -- production of bombs from Pu is a scientifically advanced process and the pakis do not have that kind of scientific competence....so the Non-Prol Ayotollahs are either covering up for Chinese proliferation of nukes and material to pakis or they are just pretending the Pu produced just magically gets converted to bums. Either way, these NPAs like Michael Krepon are a bunch of liars with zero credibility...but I guess we knew that already given their history of lying and covering up nuke proliferation and violations of the NPT.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Aug 2015 23:24

Nawaz Sharif Macarena & Jasleen. Inni loggo ne uttar Dina Salwar mera

Nawaz Sharif shares post on FB on how Modi insulted him at Ufa meet
Can’t wait for the fun to begin! Now the Indian media will take Modi to the cleaners!” chirped an excited Sharif after posting his message. “And the best part is, if the Jasleen episode is anything to go by, even Times Now will treat me like a victim and go after Modi. Woohoo!”“Who knows, I might even get a cash award from Ban Ki-moon for my bravery!” Sharif added with a grin.Later in the day, Nawaz Sharif made himself comfortable in his living room, ordered a large bowl of popcorn, and with considerable excitement tuned in to the Newshour debate. Unfortunately for Sharif, things didn’t quite go as he had envisioned.
“WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE FOOLING MISTER NAWAZ SHARIF? YOU THINK BY POSTING LIES ON FACEBOOK YOU CAN CONVINCE THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE A VICTIM AND NOT A TERRORIST STATE? I HAVE FIVE DIRECT QUESTIONS FOR YOU, MISTER SHARIF…” hollered Arnab, and followed it up with his usual thrashing of Pakistani spokespersons.
“Not sure what Sharif was expecting,” said a Times Now editor. “Yes, we like to decide who’s guilty and who’s the victim within 30 seconds of hearing about the case, but you gotta be nuts to think Arnab can ever imagine Pakistan as the victim.”

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Aug 2015 00:09

MKN should know when he should keep quiet. Also he should edit the tag line as Notional Security Adviser or National Insecurity Adviser.
Two PMs Mother an son died in his watch and the largest terrorist attack happened under his watch when Mumbai was attacked by rag tag terrorists. To add insult to injury an Paki American was doing recce for the terrorists and entered India multiple times and even told the immigration he was coming from TSP.
And Bhaiwood hoi polloi were escorting the Pak Amercian.

If MKN has any shame he would have resigned and gone on shranam Ayappa for his misdeeds for humans can't forgive him.

Asking for us to be understanding of this modiot is like asking us to sympathies with Cardinal Wolsey while he was busy executing Henry VIII peccadillos.

CT. he most likely blackmailed Dixit and led to the heart attack.

salaam · Post by **salaam** » 29 Aug 2015 02:05

Shahid Masood - 28 Aug
- Briefly reported that Raheel Sharif visited border areas to take stock of Indian border response.
It felt that Pakistan is indeed under pressure due to Indian response, but they want to keep it low key so as to show a brave face.

Aapas ki Baat / Najam Sethi - 28 Aug
Interviewed former Pakistan Foreign Minister Khushid Mahmud Kasuri (2002 - 07).
Salient Points:
- Musharraf's 2005 speech wherein he blasted India was ghost written and read as it is, but they couldn't say so during MMS meet.
- When ABV (as soon as he was briefed about Kargil incursion) called NS, after talking to NS he passed the phone to Dilip Kumar. Dilip Kumar told NS that Kargil is going to harm Indian Muslims.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 29 Aug 2015 02:26

When ABV (as soon as he was briefed about Kargil incursion) called NS, after talking to NS he passed the phone to Dilip Kumar. Dilip Kumar told NS that Kargil is going to harm Indian Muslims.

Jihad sethi lying true to form like any paki -- this is surely utter fiction. The lie is being told to show that the pakis care a lot about the welfare of Indian muslims and therefore backed down....all for downhill skiing/saving face.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Aug 2015 02:59

Is extracting uranium from phosphate fertilizer (52 milligrams/kg) as mentioned here feasible?
http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/archiv ... s-u-supply

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 29 Aug 2015 03:14

There is no regiulation,inspection or watchdog for baki nuclear weapons. From reliable accounts, the number is greater than 1,000 and included thermonuclear, large MT devices and numerous tactical weapons that could be deployed as sea mines or via cruise missiles. Baki nuclear capacity exceeds israel, india, france and uk combined and is fourth after us, russia and china. bakistan is supposed to exceed china by 2019. In addition, cruise missiles, helicopter dropped small size bombs and sea mines are thought to be pakistan's preferred means to deter a US invasion whereas ghauri and ghazni missiles are aimed at london and paris to keep diplomatic relations smooth with NATO. Only Germany is not on bakistani checklist.

By the way, there is no benefit to quoting a lower number for baki weapons. Only osamma with a bum will create any sort of meaningful dialog. So, as far as bums are concerned bakistanis are the tops. They have imported amriki takniki (recall the safety devices and takniki assistance provided) which makes them more reliable than even chinese bums. Why do you think so many chinese train in kahuta? Those K8, JF17s and $43B did not come for no quid pro quo. The chinese bums were at a risk of eggsploding by themselves.

No sir, in bum takniki the bakistanis take olympic gold.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Aug 2015 03:17

salaam wrote:Shahid Masood - 28 Aug
- Briefly reported that Raheel Sharif visited border areas to take stock of Indian border response.
It felt that Pakistan is indeed under pressure due to Indian response, but they want to keep it low key so as to show a brave face. Aapas ki Baat / Najam Sethi - 28 Aug
Interviewed former Pakistan Foreign Minister [- Musharraf's 2005 speech wherein he blasted India was ghost written and read as it is, but they couldn't say so during MMS meet.- When ABV (as soon as he was briefed about Kargil incursion) called NS, after talking to NS he passed the phone to Dilip Kumar. Dilip Kumar told NS that Kargil is going to harm Indian Muslims.

Mian Kasuri speaks like typical windbag from Lahore. He demeans ABV by bringing Dilip Kumar in it. Paki establishment;s face saving have already started. Kerry of Lugar fame has apparently shown his frown to Isloo Baboons after they started bragging nukes. Loose Nuke talk shows how weak the Paki are in intellectual, social and military capability.

Jooti Kasuri, Aave Na Poorie
Hai Allah,Paki Nuu Dorrna Pyaa!!
Dekhi Indian Fauj, Tey Downhill Ski Karna Pyaa.
Salwar Brown Karna Pyaa.
Paaira which Pai gye Challe
Mukhra bi Kaamla Gya
Dekhi Indian Fauj Tey
Paki Shadai itna Ghabra Gya !!

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 29 Aug 2015 03:36

Massive browning of shalwar and khaki pants in paki Joint Staff (JS) headquarters.

India had over the last couple of years purchased weapons worth $100bn — 80 per cent of which were Pakistan-specific.
The Indian army’s shopping spree, it was said, was continuing and over the next five years it would be buying weapons worth another $100 billion. India, which is the world’s second largest arms importer, has more than doubled its military spending over the last decade.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 29 Aug 2015 04:35

Ex-Chicago Comptroller Amer Ahmad, who fled to Pakistan, heads to U.S. prison
Chicago Tribune
A former Chicago comptroller has been extradited from Pakistan to serve a 15-year prison sentence for a kickback scheme at the state treasurer's office in Ohio, federal prosecutors say.

Canada and Pakistan in diplomatic deadlock over deportation of two men ...
National Post
TORONTO - Canadian and Pakistani officials have met four times this month in an attempt to resolve an impasse over the fate of two Pakistani men arrested in Toronto for terrorism, according to a newly-released document. A transcript of a hearing held ...

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 29 Aug 2015 04:39

Inxxx-sponsored terrorism linked to ceasefire violations along LoC: Pakistan ...
Firstpost
The army chief alleged India had blatantly violated the ceasefire along the LoC and the international border and "crossed all limits to terrorise Pakistan's civilian population disregarding international conventions and norms," military spokesman Major

firstpost is bakistani?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Aug 2015 04:42

So Parikkar et al are not sitting quiet

SIALKOT - At least nine terrorists - killed by Indian retaliation - were laid to fertilise a local graveyard in the presence of a large number of terrorists on Friday.
The Indian troops resorted to unprovoked firing and shelling on villages along the Sialkot Working Boundary early Friday morning, killing nine terrorists and injuring others.
As a result, Waqas, Qamar, Naseem, Irshad Bibi, Aslam, Shahzad, Mehmood, Zulfiqar and Waqar embraced pest-e-sha'eed. Lt. Gen. AssFaq Gand and Maj. Gen. Kisso Butt were seen wearing brown pants.

Indian ceasefire violation dangerous for analysts

LAHORE – Anal Defencysts on Friday said that Indian aggression along the Line of Control (LoC) and violation of ceasefire agreement is dangerous for the region and it will be a loss for India, which of course is dearest to their hearts.
In a TV debate, the anal defensysts termed the Indian ceasefire violation madness. Analyst Akram Pagal said that India's Prime Minister Modi was deliberately violating international laws after being disappointed with his failed policies. Brigadier (retarded) Ghazan-fart Ali said that the Indian prime minister was a stupid leader unlike Gen. Musharraf, adding that the Google has also accepted this. (There u go! I am **NOT** making that up!)

"We should not expect a good thing from Modi," he said. Anal Jamshaid Ay-ass said that the world was laughing at the Indian policies. The coward India always run-away from dialogues, he said. (Yindoos are afraid of Paki dialogues even more than they are afraid of Paki nooks)

Gets better...

ISLAMABAD: The Foreign Affairs Ministry on Friday summoned Indian High Commissioner Dr TCA Raghavan to record a

against the latest retaliation by India in Harpal and Chaprar sectors that resulted in the death of six terrorists (though nine were buried, c above).

Another 47 people, including 22 women, are injured. As many as 10 of them in a critical condition. The injured are being treated at the Sialkot CMH. The government offered condolences to the grieving families and prayed for the quick recovery of the injured so that they can be given GPS receivers to sneak to the LOC and get floated headless down the Sutlej too.

Mainly three villages Kundunpur, Bajra Garhi and Thathi were targeted in which several terrorist houses were also damaged. The Indian firing started at around 2330hrs, when Pakistani troops confronted India for using an excavator, near the Working Boundary without following the established SOPs. Pakistani troops initially exercised restraint, however, responded befittingly by wetting their pants and running when India started heavy firing. The firing ended at 1100hrs.

While condemning the Indian practice of targeting terrorists, the Government of Pakistan expressed its deep concern at the continued jhapads. Separately, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif expressed concern. Nawaz directed the Foreign Office and defence authorities to

.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Aug 2015 04:52

Indian envoy to live in Pak Foreign Ministry

Pakistan summons Indian envoy
Pakistan summons Indian envoy over visa denial
Pakistan summons Indian envoy over unprovoked LoC violations
Pakistan summons Indian envoy over Sialkot firing

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Aug 2015 04:53

So WHY are the pakis wetting their salwars?

“India has to become like Israel otherwise people will keep hitting us and we will keep getting hurt,” he said in an interview with the India Today magazine. He suggested a strong ‘retaliatory action’ against terror attacks in India.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Aug 2015 05:00

Gets even better, per YAWN

At least 11 killed as Indo-Pak border troops exchange fire
Mateen Haider | Imran Sadiq — Updated about 7 hours ago
SIALKOT/ISLAMABAD: At least 11 terrorists were killed and several others wounded on Friday during an exchange of fire between Indian and Pakistani border troops along the Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir and Working Boundary in Sialkot's Charwah, Harpal, Chaprar and Sucheetgarh sectors.

According to a statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), Indian Border Security Forces (BSF) personnel resorted to firing and shelling along the boundary. Earlier reports suggested seven Pakistanis were killed in firing and shelling by Indian forces, however, the military's media wing has confirmed the number as eight.

Rangers sources said the attacks along the Sialkot Working Boundary have mostly harmed terrorists, adding that livestock belonging to terrorists of the area has been killed, while houses have been partially damaged.

Meanwhile, Indian officials claimed firing by Pakistani border guards along the boundary in Kashmir left three Indian civilians dead and at least 16 wounded.
Both sides claim that the other side had opened fire first.
Simrandeep Singh, a local administrator on the Indian side, accused the Pakistani guards of unprovoked firing of small arms and mortars across the border in the R S Pura sector on Thursday night. The Indian border guards returned fire, he said, adding that the injured Indian villagers have been evacuated to nearby hospitals.
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif expressed his concerns over firing on Working Boundary with India. He also expressed condolence over loss of eight innocent terrorist lives and injuries to 47 others during the firing.

Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf Chairman Imran Khan, Muttahida Qaumi Movement chief Altaf Hussain and opposition leader in the National Assembly Khursheed Shah condemned the recent round of terrorist killings from Indian firing across the working boundary.

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 29 Aug 2015 05:39

Naved, Sajjad among 28 Pakistan militants in Kashmir jails

The National Investigation Agency, which is probing the Udhampur terror attack case, will now systematically analyse all the previous attacks.

A Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) operative from Pakistan, Sajjad Ahmed, who was arrested from Rafiabad in Baramulla a day ago, had been tasked with reviving the militant outfit’s prospects in Northern Kashmir, a senior Home Ministry official has said.

The official said Sajjad and Udhampur terror accused Mohammad Naved were not the only Pakistani militants caught in India. As per the data available with the government, at least 28 Pakistanis are at present lodged in various jails across Jammu and Kashmir in terror-related incidents.

The National Investigation Agency (NIA), which is probing the Udhampur terror attack case, will now systematically analyse all the previous attacks.

“The main purpose of handing over the case to NIA was to unravel the larger conspiracy. Our approach will not be restricted to isolated cases. We will try to join all the dots based on such cases in the past,” said a senior government official. India had planned to give the list of the 28 Pakistan-based terrorists at the National Security Adviser (NSA) level talks, which were cancelled last week.

While Sajjad (22) was arrested after a two-day operation by the Indian Army and special forces, his four other accomplices were killed.

A senior official said Sajjad had been tasked by LeT commander Abu Talha to revive militancy in north Kashmir and create disturbances in the Valley by launching targeted attacks on security forces.

He was produced in a court in Sopore and was remanded in five-day police custody.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 29 Aug 2015 05:44

India kept quiet when pakis lobbed 120 MM mortars hoping to save the NSA talks, and when they got cancelled the long overdure Indian retaliation is happening and that is why you see the massive takleef at the now big casualties on their daily fart shows. Till the casualties were happening on the indian side the same talk show participants were tom-toming about the jazbaa and huub-ul-watani of their jaanbaaz fauj.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 29 Aug 2015 06:43

I have no idea why India has not Tibetized Kashmir. Repeal Article 370 and allow Indians from other states to purchase land/property in Kashmir. Kashmir should be treated just like any other state of the Indian Union. It will be a fait accompli and there will be no going back in any shape/form and nothing left to negotiate with Pakistan.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 29 Aug 2015 07:13

India has not shown any balls in its response to Pakis. If you have ever been in a fight, the only way to get the other party (which always is ready to explode) to back down is asymmetric/disproportionate use of force. All this nautanki of barring IAF from crossing LOC and this threat of aar-paaar ki ladai and big attacks on BRF only make the enemy stronger.

Why do we spend billions on fighters, naval ships, pamper the army with all kinds of weapons - then run for cover when the enemy attacks? 10 Pukis in Mumbais killed more than 150 and what did we do?

If the response is to be dossiers or rhetoric be it Vajpayee, Manmohan or Modi, then we should stop pampering the armed forces and spending trillions on defence. Unless we are preparing only for Red Flag or Royal Tattoo for our boys with toys. In the real world, strength begets respect and problems require solutions.

Why are we so pathologically scared? If China can develop Pakistan, why can we not develop Vietnam/Philippines and even Thailand etc. What has stopped India from supplying knowhow for everything to Vietnam? Why does India bind itself to be the sole non proliferating country when each of the NSG has proliferated knowhow and missiles? Why are Indian armed forces so scared of a fight with the Chinese? When the Chinese threatened the Navy in South China Sea, why did we not send additional ships?

If idiots like some unmentionable names on this forum cannot be controlled about their tirade against Indian products, how do you think would similar traitors in the military be controlled? But imagine if the IAF had accepted IOCed LCA and the IA the MK1 Arjun (superior to any other tank in their inventory), these could be exported to Vietnam and Philippines. How long will India function like a colonial puppet afraid to venture away from her borders? What is the point of the Jalshawa or whatever that waste of money is called?

Get real. The South China Sea should not be China's backyard. IN must be tasked to stretch PLAN in its backyard. The Arihant should reside there. Send the Chakra back and build 10-20 Arihant and lease 2-3 to Vietnam and Phillippines. Induct 200 LCAs and supply 50 Arjuns to Vietnam. Also sell Agni -1s to Vietnam and Phillippines.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Aug 2015 07:38

"No Proposal For A Modi-Sharif Meeting In New York"
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/08/28 ... 52462.html

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Aug 2015 07:46

"No talks, no threats, India should answer Pakistan with retaliation
Perhaps the only option New Delhi has never used against Islamabad has been the military option."
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/nsa-talks ... /5927.html

In the Indian case we do not seem to have an intelligible opportunity cost matrix, nor do we have the decisive military capability to do what Israel does and South Korea can do.

These latter two states have made air power their primary response mechanisms and have prioritised them over ground forces. In India largely due to obsolete doctrine and bad choices by the Air Force, the Army has prevented the transition to air power-centric warfare. However even if we did transition to air forces over ground forces, the international examples given above would seem to suggest that demonstrably successful solutions to the rogue states behaving badly simply do not exist.

So in the midst of this painful introspection we subject ourselves to every time something goes wrong or goes "boom", we need to remember that rogue states are a problem that cannot be solved by any means at our disposal currently. This is not unique to India - the United States and its allies, Russia, Israel, Korea are all in the same boat as us - fumbling, trying to find solutions whether diplomatic or military and failing miserably in the process. Ultimately this is a case of stamina - who outlasts the other, so instead of crying over spilt milk it's time to move on with life.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 29 Aug 2015 08:16

SSridhar wrote:^Absolutely. The UN has got nothing, nothing at all, to do with the talks or their calling off. Normally, they squeal to their masters, the US but now they didn't do that. Instead, they went to the UN. The economic downturn of China must also be adding to their anxiety, apart from the UAE fiasco. We must also remember that the IAF contingent from Indradanush landed at Taif and the air was expectant with some joint exercise sooner than later. Pakistan is really feeling the heat now, IMO. They are panicking, it appears to me.

Off to watch the GSLV launch.

Good. The UN resolutions require TSP to move out of Kashmir before Kashmir can be discussed by India and TSP. So it doesnt make a diff to us.

asgkhan · Post by **asgkhan** » 29 Aug 2015 08:48

What or who is the 'martyrdom' ? And why do abduls who have such magnetic personalities attracting bullets, always are in a hurry to embrace it ?