Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Chandragupta » 01 Sep 2015 22:47

That's 2 Billion PKR not USD.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Prem » 01 Sep 2015 22:50

Baab Al Jannat
Loud explosion heard in Karachi's Nazimabad, adjoining areas

KARACHI: A loud explosion was heard in various parts of Karachi Tuesday night around 10:30 pm. The explosion was so intense that the windows of many homes in North Nazimabad shook.The sound from the blast was heard in Nazimabad, North Karachi, Orangi Town, Lyari, Banaras and Manghopir's Mianwali Colony, while in some areas the air was reeking with dynamite odour, said residents.There are also reports of shattered windows in some adjoining areas. However, so far the exact location of the incident has not been determined.Sources say police and rescue officials are currently determining the exact site of the suspected blast.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Falijee » 01 Sep 2015 23:06

P.A.F. Chief Tells The Truth About 1965 War

ISLAMABAD, Sept 5: Air Marshal (retired) Nur Khan, the man who led the airforce achieve complete superiority over the three times bigger Indian airforce on the very first day of the 1965 war, had all but resigned the post :eek: the very day that he took command of Pakistan Air Force on July 23, 1965.


Air Marshal (retired) Asghar Khan while handing over the command to Nur Khan had not briefed him about any impending war because he was not aware of it himself.[*] So, in order to double check, Nur Khan called on the then Commander-in-Chief, General Musa Khan.

[*] When will these top honchos start telling the truth :shock:

A still incredulous Nur Khan was shocked when on further inquiry he found that except for a small coterie of top generals, very few in the armed forces knew about “Operation Gibraltar”. He asked himself how good, intelligent and professional people like Musa and Malik could be so naive, so irresponsible. :((


“The performance of the Army did not match that of the PAF mainly because the leadership was not as professional. They had planned the ‘Operation Gibraltar’ for self-glory rather than in the national interest. It was a wrong war. And they misled the nation with a big lie that India rather than Pakistan had provoked the war and that we were the victims of Indian aggression”, Air Marshal Khan said[*].

[*] Why is this all coming out after 50 years :!:

Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since, Ayub as its role model and therefore has continued to fight unwanted wars — the 1971 war and the Kargil fiasco in 1999, he said.[*]


[*] Can the 'fiction' taught to the Paki youngsters in the past, and still being preached to the impressionable minds, be undone :roll:

“Look at India. There a religious party comes in power and nobody cries foul and it goes out of power and nobody alleges rigging. We can also do this,” he added.[*]


[*] When an Oxford educated politician does not accept the election verdict, what hope is there for the Aam- Abdul :lol:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Prem » 01 Sep 2015 23:10

Chandragupta wrote:That's 2 Billion PKR not USD.

:lol:
PKR should not be mentioned in economic matters as it's not a real money issued by real country and government .

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Sep 2015 23:29

The following is excerpted from the Foreword to the book on the 1965 war by Pakistani Air Marshal Asghar Khan. He retired a few months before `Operation Gibraltar' was launched in August of 1965. The foreword is by Altaf Gauhar. The book, titled, `The First Round - Indo-Pakistan war" was published in 1978.

Asghar Khan's version is instructive in two other respects: his description of `Operation Gibraltar' and his evaluation of the role of the Generals and Brigadiers of the Pakistan Army.

`Operation Gibraltar' reflected the outlook and character of the late Major General A.H. Malik who was a bold and imaginative officer. Yet the plan collapsed on the launching pad. We are told that
the plan was acclaimed by `top civilian advisors' but their names are not given.

The whole plan was constructed on three assumptions:

(i) widespread support would be available within Occupied Kashmir.

(ii) India would restrict its offensive to the Azad Kashmir territory

(iii) there was no possibility of India crossing the international border

All three assumptions proved wrong.

The operation failed because in its formulation, apart from the element of Foreign Office conspiracy, the fundamental difference between commando raids and `guerrilla ' operations was never clearly recognized. Personnel were selected without taking into account that many of them "knew neither the area nor the language".

How could the poor villagers in Occupied Kashmir distinguish between a raider and a partisan ?

It was claimed at the time that `Operation Gibraltar' was foolproof; since everyone involved in it knew only his specific bit the enemy would never discover its full scope and objectives.

The truth is that the first four volunteers who were captured by the Indians described the whole plan in a broadcast on All India Radio on the 8th of August 1965, nearly a month before India crossed the
international boundary.


I mentioned this broadcast to Brigadier Irshad who was then Director, Military Intelligence. I still remember his sad comment:

"The blighters have spilled the beans !"

Asghar Khan attributes the failure of the operation to the fact that the stepping up of the tempo "was not gradual enough to give it the character of an internal uprising, nor was it controlled sufficiently
to keep it within the bounds of Indian political and military acceptability"

The escalation was inevitable and the operations were never related to the objective situation inside Kashmir. The Indians would never cross the international border, maintained the Foreign Office and the people of Jammu and Kashmir would rise as a man as soon as our volunteers go into Occupied Kashmir, believed the G.H.Q. These two assumptions provided the basis for an operation which was concieved in an atmosphere of intrigue and conducted with woeful negligence.

...
...

A complete and accurate account of the 1948 Kashmir operations was never compiled. The result was that the mistakes of 1948 were repeated in 1965. And since Yahya Khan refused, despite
Ayub Khan's orders, to allow an authentic record of the 1965 war to be prepared, the mistakes of 1965 were repeated this time in a much more aggravated fashion, in 1971. The result was the disgrace and surrender of the armed forces in Dacca.

Asghar Khan is the first person who has offered a critical appraisal of the Pakistan Army at the command level, but unless all the facts of 1948, 1965 and 1971 are made public, our people will go on living in a false world, scoring imaginary victories against fictitious adversaries.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Falijee » 02 Sep 2015 00:14

Coalition Support Fund Report - Examples Of Pakistani Cheating And/Or Expense Padding

Details of how U.S. Government was being duped can be found on Page 7 of the Report :
-$ 45 Million Billed For Phantom Road And Bunker Construction !
-$ 200 Million For Air Defence Radar, out of 'thin air' !
-$19,000 per naval vehicle, per month for Pak Navy reimbursement claims !

Many such 'gems' can be found in the detailed reading of this GAO Report to US Congress :shock:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Amber G. » 02 Sep 2015 00:28

A_Gupta wrote:^^^
... and our walkout had a bigger impact on the UNSC. Stunned by our reaction to Bhutto’s speech, they lost interest in engaging with India and Pakistan on Kashmir.


Worth remembering: Not everything is aimed at Pakistan directly; some of it undercuts its potential audience.

I remember watching Bhutto and company (live in UN in 1971) imitating that (== revange ?). That is walking out after famously declaring
"I am not a rat and I am not ratting" :rotfl:


I don't think it had that impact to save H&D of Pakis. The clip was played (again and again) in most of news channels in US, making Bhutto a laughing stock..

(In spite of Nixon and Company (including Kissinger) support for TSP, news media, and most common people in US started having VERY bad impression of Pakistan))

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby abhijitm » 02 Sep 2015 02:12

So no word on CSF?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 02 Sep 2015 02:31

You kaafirs, Paaistan always has Tallel then mountains fliend China to buy all the textiles, garments and naptha if other countries refuse to buy them.

When is the GSP Plus status that was given to Pukistan up for renewal?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby sum » 02 Sep 2015 04:11

AjayKK wrote:Simmering Border Heat

Aug 28, 2015, by Ullekh NP, Open Magazine

NSA-level talks called off. LoC tensions on the rise. Non-state actors on a rampage. Is Pakistan’s military brass emboldened by an upcoming opportunity in Afghanistan?


http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... order-heat

Finally a article which seems to have been written by a Indian and with a Indian POV rather than the pieces of $hit which were passed as "analysis" all these days and which one would have mistaken for being a TSP official press release

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Falijee » 02 Sep 2015 05:18

Zardari Launches Personal Attack On Nawaz Sharif - From Londonistan :mrgreen:

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan People’s Party Co-Chairperson and former president Asif Ali Zardari said on Monday Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is “repeating the politics of 1990s”.


when Pakistan Army is fighting a decisive war against the terrorists and also fighting at our borders, Mian Nawaz Sharif, instead of challenging the real enemy, is targeting Pakistan People’s Party and his other political opponents.[*]

[*] who, co-incidentally are all non-pakjabis :cry:

The former president also said that in Punjab a video had surfaced in which provincial minister Rana Mushhood was seen receiving money allegedlly on behalf of Mian brothers, but he has not yet been arrested.[*]

[*] And most likely will not be !

“Pakistan People’s Party is a party of fearless followers who cannot be defeated by the threat of executions, lashing or imprisonment. It seems that Nawaz Sharif has not learnt any lessons from the past. We are not the ones who fled to Jeddah after seeking pardon. The nation knows very well that the ‘honor’ of applying :?: for pardon by any politician in the country only belongs to Mian Nawaz Sharif,” :mrgreen: Zardari stated. “Today Nawaz Sharif is the prime minister of the country and Shahbaz Sharif the chief minister of Punjab only because of PPP, :roll: ” Zardari asserted while adding that it was PPP which lifted the ban on becoming prime minister or chief minister for the third time, “although it was evident to us that it will only serve the interests of Mian brothers”.[*]

[*] Dus- Percenti is now hitting below Ganja's belt shalwar :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby arun » 02 Sep 2015 05:42

Indian origin Aparna Pande, Director of the India Initiative at the US think tank, the Hudson Institute writes an article titled “U.S. Should Stop Reinforcing Pakistan's Delusions” in the Huffington Post:

The Pakistani assumption is that America protests but does not really care about its nuclear proliferation or support for terrorism as long as Pakistan's target is India or Afghanistan.


American policy makers have consistently ignored, even when internal intelligence and staff memos said otherwise, the harsh reality of Pakistan never sharing American goals. When the Americans turned to Pakistan to fight international communism, Pakistan saw Hinduism as the threat. Now, despite being America's nominal allies in the fight against international terrorism, Pakistan still sees 'Hindu India' as the principal threat. Jihadi groups, such as the Haqqani Network, are Pakistan's instruments in its own war with India for influence over Afghanistan.


Washington has known -and ignored -- Pakistan's security fears (and paranoia) about India and Afghanistan for decades.


High-level visits by American officials to Pakistan do not help change Pakistan's strategic mindset. They only reinforce the belief of Pakistani leaders in the centrality of their country to global order. The belief that Pakistan is indispensable to the United States and is the pivot of the world for other major powers has encouraged Pakistan's irresponsible behavior.


From here:

U.S. Should Stop Reinforcing Pakistan's Delusions

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby arun » 02 Sep 2015 05:46

Falijee wrote:Coalition Support Fund Report - Examples Of Pakistani Cheating And/Or Expense Padding

Details of how U.S. Government was being duped can be found on Page 7 of the Report :
-$ 45 Million Billed For Phantom Road And Bunker Construction !
-$ 200 Million For Air Defence Radar, out of 'thin air' !
-$19,000 per naval vehicle, per month for Pak Navy reimbursement claims !

Many such 'gems' can be found in the detailed reading of this GAO Report to US Congress :shock:



$ 200 Million For Air Defence Radar ............... Since when has the Afghan or Pakistani Taliban had an Air Force? Seems like nothing but a deliberate India centric reimbursement by the US .

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2015 05:57

Falijee wrote:P.A.F. Chief Tells The Truth About 1965 War
When will these top honchos start telling the truth
Why is this all coming out after 50 years

No, it is not coming out now. I quote from a 2007 DT report below (may not be available now online)
Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan said on Tuesday {July 3, 2007} Pakistan should scrap its nuclear weapons and reduce its army strength to achieve domestic progress and peace with its neighbours. “We should not be jubilant at calling ourselves an atomic power because it is a big threat to Pakistan’s existence and there is no need to keep a huge army because it’s just a waste of money,” Khan said at a two-day conference arranged by non-government organisation the Sungi Development Foundation. Khan claimed that Pakistan had initiated five wars with India without provocation from the other side. “Our rulers and generals have always threatened us by saying that not having a big army will encourage India to attack Pakistan, but it is just rhetoric,” he said. Khan said that he was the air force chief in 1965 but was kept in the dark about the war. “On September 3, I met President Ayub Khan and expressed fear about the war, but he told me that there was no danger of it,” he said, adding that Pakistan had also initiated the Kargil “misadventure”.

On Apr 22, 2009, DT reported another instance
Speaking at a ceremony for the launching of the second edition of the Jinnah Anthology in Karachi {On April 20, 2009} , Air Marshal (retd) Asghar Khan said: “India has not been hostile towards Pakistan unless provoked or until we created such conditions, as we did in 1971 in East Pakistan, for India to interfere militarily”.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2015 06:15

arun wrote:Since when has the Afghan or Pakistani Taliban had an Air Force? Seems like nothing but a deliberate India centric reimbursement by the US .

Since when did Afghanistan have a navy with submarines? Why was a Perry class frigate upgraded with anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capability transferred to PN? Ostensibly, to fight drugs trade by Afghanistan on high seas!

“We must continue to reassure Pakistan that as it combats the terrorist threat, it is not exposing itself to increased risk along its eastern border,” said Under Secretary of Defence for Policy Michele Flournoy in May 2010 while explaining why the United States needed to strengthen Islamabad’s conventional defence systems as well. “Although extremist attacks have led to the repositioning of substantial Pakistani forces, Pakistan’s strategic concerns about India remain pre-eminent.”

The import of these statements was revealed by the WikiLeaksa when it exposed cable dated Aug. 2009 wherein the US Ambassador in Pakistan, Ms. Anne W Patterson justified another USD 1.5 Billion to Pakistan to provide for its ‘national defense’ against the ‘threat from India’ In October 2010, the US decided to grant USD 2 Billion worth of arms to Pakistan, spread over a five year period.

The list goes on.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Prem » 02 Sep 2015 07:41

Indian army chief says military ready for short, swift war
Big Cat Playing With Chicken Rat

NEW DELHI: India is prepared to face offensive military action on its borders should the need arise, Army Chief General Dalbir Singh said here on Tuesday, adding that any future conflict was expected to be short and swift.The Hindu quoted him as referring to the ceasefire violations along the borders in Jammu and Kashmir, which have put relations between India and Pakistan under a strain. This had made New Delhi aware of the need to remain prepared, General Singh said.According to The Hindu, the general was speaking at a tri-service seminar on the 1965 Indo-Pak War. “The army chief said a very high level of operational preparedness at all times has become part of India’s strategy as there is recognition that the swift, short nature of future wars is likely to offer limited warning time,” according to the paper.It said the comments came against the backdrop of alleged ceasefire violations by Pakistan which had put India on alert. “As we look ahead we can see that our threats and challenges become more complex. As a result the commitments of the Indian Army have increased manifold in scope and intensity in past few years. The frequent ceasefire violations and infiltration bids by our western neighbour always remain live and active,” he pointed out.Without naming names, the army chief accused Pakistan of employing “new methods to create unrest in Jammu and Kashmir” and said the recent instances of terrorist violence are “clear pointers to extend this arc of violence to other areas”.The Hindu recalled that General Singh’s comments followed Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif’s statement blaming India for trying to “impose war on Pakistan”. The Pakistani minister also cautioned India on Sunday that it would suffer “heavy losses” if it tries to “impose” a war on his country.While India claims 192 ceasefire violations by Pakistan along the international border in Jammu and Kashmir till July 29 this year, Islamabad has countered it by asserting that the Indian forces have committed 37 and 24 unprovoked ceasefire violations on the LoC and the Working Boundary in July and August respectively, The Hindu said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 02 Sep 2015 07:54

Guys, could any of the guys whose names listed in this diverted SW flight be Pakis :-)? No surprise if thats indeed the case

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/2015 ... arillo.ece

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Dipanker » 02 Sep 2015 08:39

Only one name sounds Paki, the rest like African muslims, could be African American muslims too, more likely the latter.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby shiv » 02 Sep 2015 08:45

CRamS wrote:Guys, could any of the guys whose names listed in this diverted SW flight be Pakis :-)? No surprise if thats indeed the case

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/2015 ... arillo.ece

Here are the names of the passengers
Khalid Yohana, 19; Wasim Imad Shaker, 23; Essa Solaqa, 20; Ghazwan Assad Shaba, 21; Jonathan Khalid Petras, 20; and Saiman Hermez, 19


Even if there is a Paki connection the media will not make it. But we an make the Islamic connection. And Pakistan has positioned itself as the upholder of Islamic pride. If any Paki denies this - please point out the denial to me so I can learn.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby JE Menon » 02 Sep 2015 08:47

A second terrorist has been arrested for the Erawan attack on the Thai-Cambodia border. Judging from his looks he could be of Pak origin from Sindh/Pakjab. Reportedly he was carrying a Chinese passport, and there are suspicions of an Uighur connection - though he looks anything but. Body structure suggests Pak link.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2015 09:26

JE Menon wrote: Body structure suggests Pak link.

When the blast was reported here and somebody raised a Paki connection that was the most prudent assumption to make and proceed with the investigation on that basis. There are a lot of Pakistani fake passport makers also in Thailand apart from Thailand being a huge safe-house of the ISI. Of course, Thailand is also used by the ISI as a transit point to send Fake Indian Currency Notes(FICN) into India.

Let us recall some Pakistani jihadi terror involvement with Thailand.

  • On July 5, 2003, Saifullah Paracha (father of Uzair Paracha) was arrested in Thailand on terror related charges. He has been formally charged with trying to export nuclear weapons under the guise of his textile import-export business. He has also been charged with trying to get Majid Khan (On Mar. 5, 2003, Majid Khan, a relative of convicted Al-Qaeda operative Lyman Faris was arrested in Pakistan for planning to detonate US gas stations. He also provided funds to Jemmah Islamiyah of Indonesia ) a visa to enter the US and indulge in terrorist activities
  • On Oct. 13, 2010, the Thailand police arrested 15 Pakistanis on money transfer from the Islamist-insurgency hit southern Thailand to international terror suspects overseas
  • On Dec. 01, 2010, the Spanish police arrested six Pakistanis who were helping the LeT and Al Qaeda organizations with forged documents such as passports and ID cards for their terror activities. The mastermind was a Pakistani, Muhammad Ather Butt, operating out of Thailand who was also simultaneously arrested there along with another Pakistani accomplice, Zezan Azzan Butt

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2015 09:31

Pakistan has lost international support on Kashmir: Ex Pakistan envoy - PTI
Pakistan no longer enjoys international support on Kashmir and is unlikely to get an approval for a referendum in the region from the UN Security Council, a former Pakistani envoy to the US has said.

"Kashmir is an emotive issue in Pakistan because of the failure of its leaders to inform their people that Pakistan no longer enjoys international support on the matter," said Husain Haqqani, former Pakistani Ambassador to the US.


Haqqani, who is currently director of South and Central Asia at the Hudson Institute, said for years Pakistan has sought international support for its position that Kashmir's future must be resolved through dialogue with India and a plebiscite among the Kashmiri people.

India does not even want to discuss the dispute without the end of Pakistan-sponsored terror, he added.

"What most Pakistanis do not know is that the last United Nations Security Council resolution on Kashmir was passed in 1957 and Pakistan could not win support for a referendum in Kashmir today if it asked for a new vote at the United Nations," Haqqani said in an op-ed published on the website of the Hudson Institute, a US-think tank.

"Instead of accepting that it might be better for India and Pakistan to normalise relations by expanding trade and cross-border travel, Pakistani hardliners have stuck to a 'Kashmir first' mantra, which they know is unrealistic," said Haqqani, who was at the loggerheads with the powerful Army when in office.

Posturing on Kashmir gets Pakistan nowhere but its leaders feel they need to do it any way to maintain support from Islamists and the military at home, he said.

According to Haqqani, hardliners in an increasingly self-confident India play on Indians' frustration with Pakistani state support for jihadis, such as those responsible for terrorist attacks in Mumbai in 2008.

"There is empty talk of 'teaching Pakistan a lesson' without acknowledging that teaching military lessons to nations armed with nuclear weapons is never easy. Indians could learn from the United States' frustrations with North Korea," he said.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2015 13:42

Is a ‘normal’ nuclear Pakistan even possible? - Seema Sirohi, Economic Times
If you thought that Washington’s rationalisation of Pakistani behaviour would have reached its limit by now with thousands of American soldiers dying in Afghanistan at the hands of ISI-supported terrorists, think again.

And hard. There are so many people within the US bureaucracy and outside who have Pakistan’s back that the generals needn’t worry about nothing. These rationalisers knowingly complicate India’s relations with the US, often with the precise motive of blocking progress.


Last week two major think tanks — Carnegie Endowment and The Stimson Center — released a report titled A Normal Nuclear Pakistan, arguing that an “open-ended nuclear arms race in South Asia” can only be avoided if Islamabad gets the same nuclear status as India. It was old logic: reward Pakistan or it will behave worse. It is Pakistan’s rope trick and works every time.

But how would “mainstreaming” Pakistan end this supposed arms race if only one country is racing? Even the authors admit that India remains “profoundly ambivalent” about building on its minimum, credible deterrent. And didn’t the same experts loudly oppose mainstreaming India 2005 onwards when it was negotiating the nuclear deal with the Bush administration? A case of double standards?

The authors ignore the fact that Pakistan’s vertical proliferation is aimed more at the US, its mentor, for blackmail purposes. The arsenal is insurance against US drones targeting the Haqqani Network, Taliban protégés and assorted terrorists inside Pakistan. Their analytical prism remains India.

Michael Krepon and Toby Dalton plead something be done to help Pakistan become a “normal” nuclear state or “at least as normal as India” since it is building 20 nuclear warheads a year and within a decade could have the world’s third-largest arsenal at 350 bombs.

Pakistan should be allowed to enter the global nuclear order provided it meets five conditions — shrink from “full spectrum” to “strategic” deterrence, limit production of shortrange missiles and tactical nukes, stop blocking negotiations on the Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty, separate its military and civilian nuclear facilities, and sign the CTBT without waiting for India.

To make those five demands, which there is no hope Pakistan will meet, the 45-page report goes through unbelievable rationalisations, deliberate mitigation of Pakistan’s terrorist-loving behaviour, and above all, gives a big nod to hyphenation between India and Pakistan
, a disease that US administrations have tried to jettison. But some, especially the old South Asia hands, keep returning to it. This report is hyphenation with a bang. It is also a barely hidden apology for the Pakistani army and its continued sponsorship of terrorism.

It repeats the views of known hawks (Munir Akram and co.) and appears to buy Pakistani arguments with the gentlest of criticisms and the mildest of complaints. The authors refuse to take a clear stand on Pakistan’s use of terrorists. They think that it is merely a “widely held belief in India and elsewhere” that LeT is a “necessary asset” to be used against India. They seem to have missed evidence collected by their own intelligence agencies.

The report faithfully parrots Pakistan’s narrative on being a victim of terrorism and not getting “sufficient credit” for at least going after some groups and on and on.

But should a country get praise for first creating a monster, then unleashing it on the neighbourhood and the wider world, then selectively slaying a couple of its limbs and then crying? A self-goal as gigantic as this deserves no sympathy.

The report’s underlying objective and timing of release are clearly aimed at complicating India’s bid to enter the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

The authors support Pakistan’s position that NSG should follow a “criteria-based” approach and not make an exception for India. Instead both countries should get in simultaneously because “if India gains a seat at the NSG — which makes decisions by consensus — it could block Pakistani membership, forever consigning Islamabad to remain an outsider.”

And the Obama administration seems to buy this view. It supports efforts to “integrate Pakistan into the international non-proliferation regime,” according to a joint statement by Rose Gottemoeller of the state department and Pakistan’s foreign secretary.

Obviously, Islamabad’s constant complaints about the Indo-US nuclear deal have made a dent. Pakistani generals have done rest of the groundwork. They manipulate access to their nuclear secrets through visas for US experts who want to write and remain relevant in Washington’s policy world. And the circle continues.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 02 Sep 2015 15:20

^^^ the aforementioned joint statement : http://m.state.gov/md243127.htm

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Falijee » 02 Sep 2015 15:51

'Haram Meat' Being Sold In La-Whore

PFA seizes meat supply in Lahore on 'pork' suspicion

LAHORE: A Punjab Food Authority (PFA) team led by Director General Ayesha Mumtaz seized a large amount of suspected pig meat (pork) [*]during a raid conducted near Lahore Railway Station.


[*] Would it not make more sense to export this `haram`item and earn much needed phoren exchange :mrgreen:

The PFA DG Ayesha? Mumtaz while talking to Dawn said that the raid was conducted on a tip off [*]that pork is being supplied and sold in the city in the name of beef and mutton while pig fat was being used in the making of ice cream.

[*] Do they have the technical capabilities to conduct such an analysis; the tip-off was probably by a disgruntled competitor :mrgreen:

"The Chief Minister Punjab has ordered us to check the supply of carcass meat strictly after the previous instances of confiscation of donkey and horse meat. The supply has been seized and samples are sent to laboratory for a test to determine whether it is actually ‘pork’ or some other form of substandard meat," said the DG PFA.[*]


[*] So the delicious `food dishes`( nihara, shami kabab, biryani )being served in the famous `La Whore Food Street` to the very famous personalities, was obviously contaminated with `haram ingredients` :mrgreen:

The Punjab Food Authority (PFA) has been going around Lahore fining, warning and sealing any establishment dealing with food that are found in 'unsatisfactory' (read unhygienic) conditions – from high-end, expensive restaurants to low-end, small food businesses.

The authority claims it is doing this to create awareness not only about the food people were being served, but also about hygiene, sanitation and cleanliness at restaurants, food factories and cafes.[*]


[*] Some reports have mentioned that Ganja Sharif is a big food addict; is it possible that the paya that he may have consumed, under the impression that it is all halal , may indeed, being of the haram category :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Altair » 02 Sep 2015 15:58

Rumors in twitter that Tiger Memon caught in Pakistan sends tweeple into frenzy and then it was denied. There never was a single day in Pakistan which fails to amuse me. Pakistan must exist as long as India and Indians doesn't get hurt. Their comic quotient is irreplaceable!!

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Postby Peregrine » 02 Sep 2015 16:36

Three cops killed, six injured in Peshawar
PESHAWAR: At least three policemen were killed and six others injured on Wednesday when armed gunmen attacked a raiding police party during a search operation in Urmar Payan area of the provincial capital.

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Postby A_Gupta » 02 Sep 2015 16:37

The aforementioned Carnegie Endowment, Stimson Center "A Normal Nuclear Pakistan":
http://carnegieendowment.org/files/Norm ... kistan.pdf (PDF) file.
Looking forward to its careful dissection for the good, the bad and the ugly.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2015 17:21

'Pak stopped support to Harakat-ul-Ansar to avoid terror tag' - ToI
Pakistan backed away from supporting Harakat-ul-Ansar terror group which it used as a proxy against India in the late 90s fearing that its backing would land it on the US list of "State Sponsors of Terrorism", according to recently declassified CIA documents.

In its report of August 1996, the CIA acknowledges the role played by the Harakat-ul-Ansar (HUA) in a number of terrorist attacks inside Kashmir and other parts of India including the May 1996 blasts in Lajpat Nagar market in Delhi.

Referring to some diplomatic reports, CIA said the Pakistan's spy agency ISI provided "at least USD 30,000 - an possibly as much as USD 60,000 - per month" to HUA.

A redacted version of the report 'Harakat ul-Ansar: Increasing Threat to Western and Pakistani Interests' was posted by the CIA on its website in June under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which is similar to India's Right to Information Act.

Based on its intelligence information obtained by the US Embassy in New Delhi, the report said HUA was planning to undertake terrorist actions against civilian airliners. This was three years before the hijacking of the Indian Airlines Flight from Kathmandu to New Delhi in December 1999.

"Attacks on civilian aircraft in India could well involve Western casualties, given the numbers of Western tourists in that country," the CIA report said. Important sentences of this part of the report have been redacted by the CIA.

However, the CIA warned that sudden decline in Pakistani support to HUA could be detrimental to the security of Pakistan itself {So, Pakistan was advised not to withdraw the support to HuA completely? Loss of Indian lives was all right. Only Western & Pakistani lives were to be mourned. This is how the US operates}.

"Islamabad's compliance with US and UK demand to cease its support for the HUA and crack down on the group's activities could be costly to Islamabad," it said.

"Pakistan is unlikely to accede fully, but any strong actions aimed at stopping the group's activities might prompt the HUA to retaliate," CIA warned.


"Although the HUA's operations are primarily targeted against India {which is all right}, some of the group's rhetoric and past actions demonstrate a hostility toward Islamabad that could be fueled by a loss of Islamabad's patronage {which will not be all right}," said the report.


The US perfidy glows brilliantly in the above.

Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA) also created 'Al Faran' which abducted five Western tourists in Kashmir in July 1995 and killed four of them while one escaped. That was why it was declared as a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the US in Oct., 1997.

Everyone knew that HuA was a creation of Ms. Bhutto's Interior Minister & former DG of Frontier Corps, Maj Gen. Naseerullah Babar, a close confidante of the Bhuttos. Harkat-ul-Jihadi-Islami (HuJI) and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HUM) were merged in Kashmir in 1993 by Gen. Naseerullah Babar for better coordination and to end factional fights between them (HUM was a breakaway faction of HuJI in c. 1984) and the new entity was called as Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA). Robin Raphel had just been appointed as the Asst. Secretary for South Asia etc.

Both HuJI & HUM come from the Binori mosque madrassah in Karachi. Before the merger, HUM was headed by Maulana Fazlur Rahman Khalil and HuJI by Qari Saifullah Akhtar (arrested in Dubai and extradited to Pakistan on Aug. 6, 2004) . When they were merged, Maulana Fazlur Rahman Khalil became the Amir and Qari Akhtar, Deputy Amir. One important member of this setup was Maulana Masood Azhar Alvi who was later caught in Kashmir and incarcerated there (to release whom, IC-814 flight was hijacked from Kathmandu in c. 1999). Another important member of HuA was Amjad Hussain Farooqi (aka ‘Bade Bhai’ he carried a USD 500,000 reward on his head and was killed in an encounter in Nawabshah, Sindh on Sep. 26, 2004 , when he was fleeing after being tipped off by federal Information Minister, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed.).

In c. 1994, HuA was involved in the dramatic capture of Srinagar’s Chrar-e-Sharif by the terrorists. The 1998 Tomahawk cruise missile attack on Afghanistan by the US actually hit two HUA terror training camps named, Khaled-bin-Waleed and Mu’awiya. After that, it dissolved itself and split into its original components, HuJI and HUM. Qari Saifullah Akhtar resumed the leadership of HuJI and made Amjad Farooqi as his deputy. Amjad Farooqi was involved in several high-profile incidents. Hijacking of IC-814 to Kandahar, Daniel Pearl's beheading, assassination attempts on Karachi corps commander & Musharraf in Dec. 2003, killing of the Army’s surgeon General at Islamabad in February 2008 etc. He was also involved in the bombing of a church in Islamabad. Amjad Farooqi’s handler from Al Qaeda was Abu Farraj Al-Libi who took over as Al Qaeda commander from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was arrested. Amjad Farooqi was closely associated with Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby K Mehta » 02 Sep 2015 17:40

Sshridhar ji your knowledge needs to spread wider.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 02 Sep 2015 18:06

SSridharJi, wasn't Harakat-ul-Ansar responsible for abducting and killing Israeli (western) tourists in the Kashmir valley? If so, that alone is sufficient to explain US reading out the riot act to TSP, and TSP's compliance.

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Postby CRamS » 02 Sep 2015 18:19

Guys, there must be something cooking behind the scenes. Or else TSP will be not be so brazen and that too after all the recent spats and terror, for them to ask for resumption of kirket. Are they simply toying with Indian sentiments, or is there a pro-TSP lobby in India behind this. And I feel like throwing a rock at my TV set in rage wondering how reporters can be so dumb to repeat this garbage that TSP murder of Indians is somehow "politics"

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/p ... ies/381289

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Postby kmkraoind » 02 Sep 2015 18:45

@ARG_AFG

Islamic Republic of Afghanistan- Press Release

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Postby member_23370 » 02 Sep 2015 18:46

Porkis had sent a request earlier and said they will wait till decmber for BCCI to reply. I don't see why you are getting upset. BCCI can simply say no.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby saip » 02 Sep 2015 18:51

Falijee wrote:[*] Do they have the technical capabilities to conduct such an analysis; the tip-off was probably by a disgruntled competitor :mrgreen:



They have far more advanced capability. Read the comment under this.

Forensics for justice

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2015 19:02

saip wrote:Forensics for justice

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Why do they need to develop forensic science, DNA analysis etc when 4 pious Muslim male witnesses are enough?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 02 Sep 2015 19:16

CRamS wrote:And I feel like throwing a rock at my TV set in rage ....


Please, please, please do!
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 02 Sep 2015 19:27

kmkraoind wrote:
@ARG_AFG

Islamic Republic of Afghanistan- Press Release

That is from the President's office.

This Press Release just stops with emphasizing the presence of the haqqani network & others in Pakistani territory. I would like to see the next press release directly accusing the PA & ISI of sheltering, funding, training and deploying them against the Afghan state.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby sudhan » 02 Sep 2015 20:17

Retaliation from Indian side must be hurting the pigs.. The cries are getting shriller by the min..

Now the Paki PM has spoken! Cower in your dirty Dhotis, you kaffirs!!

Indian firing along LoC is open aggression against Kashmiris: PM Nawaz

“Pakistan is continuously keeping the international community abreast of these provocations, ceasefire violations and trampling of human rights of Kashmiris by Indian troops.”


Spoken like a true Dehati Aurat..

“Elimination of terrorism will be Pakistan's gift to the international community,” said the premier.


Yep. Paki large heartedness on show..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby sukhish » 02 Sep 2015 22:33

SSridhar wrote:Is a ‘normal’ nuclear Pakistan even possible? - Seema Sirohi, Economic Times
If you thought that Washington’s rationalisation of Pakistani behaviour would have reached its limit by now with thousands of American soldiers dying in Afghanistan at the hands of ISI-supported terrorists, think again.

And hard. There are so many people within the US bureaucracy and outside who have Pakistan’s back that the generals needn’t worry about nothing. These rationalisers knowingly complicate India’s relations with the US, often with the precise motive of blocking progress.


Last week two major think tanks — Carnegie Endowment and The Stimson Center — released a report titled A Normal Nuclear Pakistan, arguing that an “open-ended nuclear arms race in South Asia” can only be avoided if Islamabad gets the same nuclear status as India. It was old logic: reward Pakistan or it will behave worse. It is Pakistan’s rope trick and works every time.

But how would “mainstreaming” Pakistan end this supposed arms race if only one country is racing? Even the authors admit that India remains “profoundly ambivalent” about building on its minimum, credible deterrent. And didn’t the same experts loudly oppose mainstreaming India 2005 onwards when it was negotiating the nuclear deal with the Bush administration? A case of double standards?

The authors ignore the fact that Pakistan’s vertical proliferation is aimed more at the US, its mentor, for blackmail purposes. The arsenal is insurance against US drones targeting the Haqqani Network, Taliban protégés and assorted terrorists inside Pakistan. Their analytical prism remains India.

Michael Krepon and Toby Dalton plead something be done to help Pakistan become a “normal” nuclear state or “at least as normal as India” since it is building 20 nuclear warheads a year and within a decade could have the world’s third-largest arsenal at 350 bombs.

Pakistan should be allowed to enter the global nuclear order provided it meets five conditions — shrink from “full spectrum” to “strategic” deterrence, limit production of shortrange missiles and tactical nukes, stop blocking negotiations on the Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty, separate its military and civilian nuclear facilities, and sign the CTBT without waiting for India.

To make those five demands, which there is no hope Pakistan will meet, the 45-page report goes through unbelievable rationalisations, deliberate mitigation of Pakistan’s terrorist-loving behaviour, and above all, gives a big nod to hyphenation between India and Pakistan
, a disease that US administrations have tried to jettison. But some, especially the old South Asia hands, keep returning to it. This report is hyphenation with a bang. It is also a barely hidden apology for the Pakistani army and its continued sponsorship of terrorism.

It repeats the views of known hawks (Munir Akram and co.) and appears to buy Pakistani arguments with the gentlest of criticisms and the mildest of complaints. The authors refuse to take a clear stand on Pakistan’s use of terrorists. They think that it is merely a “widely held belief in India and elsewhere” that LeT is a “necessary asset” to be used against India. They seem to have missed evidence collected by their own intelligence agencies.

The report faithfully parrots Pakistan’s narrative on being a victim of terrorism and not getting “sufficient credit” for at least going after some groups and on and on.

But should a country get praise for first creating a monster, then unleashing it on the neighbourhood and the wider world, then selectively slaying a couple of its limbs and then crying? A self-goal as gigantic as this deserves no sympathy.

The report’s underlying objective and timing of release are clearly aimed at complicating India’s bid to enter the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

The authors support Pakistan’s position that NSG should follow a “criteria-based” approach and not make an exception for India. Instead both countries should get in simultaneously because “if India gains a seat at the NSG — which makes decisions by consensus — it could block Pakistani membership, forever consigning Islamabad to remain an outsider.”

And the Obama administration seems to buy this view. It supports efforts to “integrate Pakistan into the international non-proliferation regime,” according to a joint statement by Rose Gottemoeller of the state department and Pakistan’s foreign secretary.

Obviously, Islamabad’s constant complaints about the Indo-US nuclear deal have made a dent. Pakistani generals have done rest of the groundwork. They manipulate access to their nuclear secrets through visas for US experts who want to write and remain relevant in Washington’s policy world. And the circle continues.


this is what I have been quite worried about. US will mainstream pakistan nuclear position , it will also blunt India's nuclear position, democrats presidents are very good at doing these kind of things. negotiating with taliban with pakistan as front and centre and again certifying its position as
chief mediator in afghan affiars. India has to be very careful, if NSG entry of india and pakistan happens simultaneously that would the great blunders
of this century. current GOI has be very careful in preserving the nuclear gain from the previous GOI.


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