Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Prem » 03 Sep 2015 21:26

http://www.dawn.com/news/1204696/army-t ... -body-told
Army to remain in tribal areas till 2019, NA body told

ISLAMABAD: Talking to media personnel after being briefed by military officials on the progress of operation Zarb-i-Azb Thursday, NA Standing Committee on Defence Chairman Rohail Asghar said Pakistan Army will remain in the country's tribal areas till 2019.He said some Taliban militants had fled to Afghanistan, while others had joined the self-styled Islamic State for material gains.Earlier during the briefing, military officials told the NA body that since the start of operation Zarb-i-Azb in June 2014, forces have killed more than 3,500 terrorists.More than 300 military men and officers have also lost their lives during the operation, said military officials.Briefing the NA committee about progress on the operation, military officials said the army was conducting the final phase of operation Zarb-i-Azb in Shawal Valley of North Waziristan.They added that forces had control over peaks in Shawal Valley, and now ground and air forces were targeting terrorists in their hideouts.The committee was told that over 1,000 intelligence-based operations conducted throughout the country have eliminated major terrorist networks. Officials said no area had been left alone by forces after it was cleared.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 03 Sep 2015 21:29

The wannabe-paki mofo Praveen "grandmother" Swami finds this bit by paki Ayesha Siddiqua "very reasonable", not too surprising. The lines of ex-MEA types of KC Singh's ilk are being repeated by both Swami and Siddiqua, and provides the pakis an excuse for their behavior.

@praveenswami Aug 28
Must we talk? Fab stuff from Ayesha Siddiqa on the India-Pakistan talks | http://bit.ly/1LDhoET


The failed National Security Advisers’ (NSA) talks indicate that Islamabad is now dealing with a different kind of government in New Delhi. It is unrelenting, unforgiving and cocky. Even Indians are surprised with its governance style in which institutions play second fiddle to the prime minister’s office and his small coterie.


Again the insinuation that NSA Doval did not have the wider support of governmental institutions to conduct these talks. Just repeating the exact words of the Indian media scum like Praveen Swami. Truly disgusting traitorous mofos, the ex-MEAs and the Praveen Swami -- speaking the language of a hostile enemy.

Siddiqua, as a true paki, has no problem with "proxy wars" and "terrorist groups", only with the paki attitude of doing so openly. Pakistan's only problem is the bad publicity from parading these government-run terrorist groups, apparently....glad pakis have such awesome strategerists of Siddiqua's ilk. What can possibly go wrong for them with such "thinkers".

But then realism and power politics is about increasing the cost for the other, not your own. Publicly parading those who are recognised internationally as terrorists or being seen as linked to these elements has negative implications. Some battles can become expensive even before reaching the actual battleground.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby svinayak » 03 Sep 2015 21:49

Tuvaluan wrote:
@praveenswami Aug 28
Must we talk? Fab stuff from Ayesha Siddiqa on the India-Pakistan talks | http://bit.ly/1LDhoET


The failed National Security Advisers’ (NSA) talks indicate that Islamabad is now dealing with a different kind of government in New Delhi. It is unrelenting, unforgiving and cocky. Even Indians are surprised with its governance style in which institutions play second fiddle to the prime minister’s office and his small coterie.



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This is just a suggestion. By what the author is saying, it seems, before having a dialog between the governments of Pakistan and India, it is far more important to have a dialog between the government of Pakistan and the Pakistan Army to discuss all “outstanding issues”.
The pattern is very clear, when things go right, the Army takes credit, when things go wrong, civilian prime minister gets the blame (to such an extent that many think the PM is a plain idiot). In fact, it is the Army which is holding the civilian government hostage along with the people, the country, the region and the world. There will be no progress until civilian supremacy is firmly established.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 03 Sep 2015 21:51

KC Singh repeats the "India must talk to pakistan ASAP" already, and again repeats the claim made by Siddiqua that the NSA is overriding the IFS/MEA types and does not have their support.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/breaking-the-india-pak-logjam/127877.html

This is absurd as CBMs are meant to create the environment for dispute resolution and must precede the latter. Special representatives must be appointed to deal with disputes, out of public view, via a back channel. Meanwhile, the Foreign Secretaries/Ministers can quickly finalise CBMs that are mature for delivery. Terror issues can be handed over to the intelligence chiefs of the two nations.

September-end, the two PMs will be in New York. They have an opportunity to break the logjam. PM Nawaz Sharif must refrain from playing to the international gallery. PM Modi needs to retrieve his Pakistan policy from the intelligence-security lobby for a safer South Asia.


So KC Singh really thinks pakistan is interested in dialogue? Did they have advanced courses in Congenital Stupidity in the IFS school when KC Singh was in there? KC Singh must have aced that one, if so.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 03 Sep 2015 21:57

svinayak wrote:
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This is just a suggestion. By what the author is saying, it seems, before having a dialog between the governments of Pakistan and India, it is far more important to have a dialog between the government of Pakistan and the Pakistan Army to discuss all “outstanding issues”.
The pattern is very clear, when things go right, the Army takes credit, when things go wrong, civilian prime minister gets the blame (to such an extent that many think the PM is a plain idiot). In fact, it is the Army which is holding the civilian government hostage along with the people, the country, the region and the world. There will be no progress until civilian supremacy is firmly established.


Seriously, do we think the paki army is interested in "holding a dialog" with the pakis in the civilian establishment? What is in it for the paki army if they do that, other than reducing their own influence in pakistan? Why would they choose to do that? Sounds bogus.

In any case, it is very interesting to see the claims made about the Indian govt. by such pakis, and how those lines are repeated by the likes of Praveen Swami and KC Singh. What is the basis for the claims of Praveen Swami and KC Singh about how this govt. is functioning otherwise? Politically motivated seems to be the case.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Anujan » 03 Sep 2015 22:12

Pakistanis are also taken aback that Army is listening to the prime minister in India and this is destroying true democracy.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby sudhan » 03 Sep 2015 22:43

JE Menon wrote:Ok boys, even I'm getting confused now. Someone kindly confirm:

1. Musharaff = Oiseaule
2. Pakistan = TOIlet
3. Pakistaniyat = Shyte


Oph kourse. Why do you ask, Mullah JEM? Clearly joo are raa agint.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby JE Menon » 03 Sep 2015 22:48

^^Because people are using pakistan and pakistaniyat interchangeably nowadays and someone has to keep the religion here :D

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Amber G. » 03 Sep 2015 23:52

A_Gupta wrote:Meanwhile in Pakistan:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/0 ... an-india-s
Pakistan's missile and nuclear system are much advanced than that of India, said Dr Samar Mubrakmand – a veteran nuclear scientist.....He said that Pakistan was a peaceful country but if it wanted India can be eliminated from the world's map within a few seconds.

Oh Dr Samar Mubarakmand!!! The Paki's most celebrated (perhaps after AQ Khan) A Nishan-e-Imtiaz, Hilal-e-Imtiaz, and a Sitara-e-Imtiaz (No I am not making it up.. only in Pak a fraud like that can get the highest honors, and gets to stand next to army general - in brown dress--no I am not making it up, it is true- after the 1998 dhamaka )..Epitome of Jinn Thermodynamics (of the water car fame, no less) and one of the biggest laughing stock in physics world...

For those who do not know, he became laughing stock, even for a Paki frauds, among serious scientist when a TV anchor asked him in a popular interview, whether a car could run only on water.. (that one could still be on you-tube)
Our nuclear hero Dr Samar Mubarakmand replied without hesitation:
jee haan, bilkul ho sakta hai (yes, absolutely possible)
” .

To be fair the anchor asked Dr AQ Khan if there was any chance of this being a fraud. The response was clear: “
Main nay apnay level per investigate kiya hai aur koi fraud waraud nahi kiya hai” (I have investigated the matter and there is no fraud involved).


Of course, The then head of the Pakistan Council of Scientific and Industrial Research,Dr Shaukat Parvaiz, topped them both:
“hum nay bhi iss pay kam karaya tha” (we had some work done on this too).


Only in Pakistan..! A certified fraud can get a Nishan-e-emtiaz! (or in Pakistan,only a certified fraud can get a Nishan-e-emtiaz!)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2015 00:09

Tuavalan, Read the message. The guy Blackhat is being sarcastic and saying TSP needs to have talks between themselves before they want to have talks with India.

K.C. Singh type of sarkari babus who got in by influence in the UPSC are just that, They want pomp and pelf and no substance. An unlearning system will collapse.

I think Swami is US compromised just like Rajamohan and will sing to HMV like the kutta.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2015 00:13

Tuvaluan wrote:KC Singh repeats the "India must talk to pakistan ASAP" already, and again repeats the claim made by Siddiqua that the NSA is overriding the IFS/MEA types and does not have their support.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/breaking-the-india-pak-logjam/127877.html

This is absurd as CBMs are meant to create the environment for dispute resolution and must precede the latter. Special representatives must be appointed to deal with disputes, out of public view, via a back channel. Meanwhile, the Foreign Secretaries/Ministers can quickly finalise CBMs that are mature for delivery. Terror issues can be handed over to the intelligence chiefs of the two nations.

September-end, the two PMs will be in New York. They have an opportunity to break the logjam. PM Nawaz Sharif must refrain from playing to the international gallery. PM Modi needs to retrieve his Pakistan policy from the intelligence-security lobby for a safer South Asia.


Rudradev, Please deconstruct and rebut this idiot.

Thanks in advance.

ramana

So KC Singh really thinks pakistan is interested in dialogue? Did they have advanced courses in Congenital Stupidity in the IFS school when KC Singh was in there? KC Singh must have aced that one, if so.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 00:28

ramana wrote:Tuavalan, Read the message. The guy Blackhat is being sarcastic and saying TSP needs to have talks between themselves before they want to have talks with India.


Rji, don't this so. Check out the following sentence which reveals that this "blackhat" is pretty clueless and actually believes the following:

The pattern is very clear, when things go right, the Army takes credit, when things go wrong, civilian prime minister gets the blame (to such an extent that many think the PM is a plain idiot). In fact, it is the Army which is holding the civilian government hostage along with the people, the country, the region and the world.


Nawaz Sharif is no less hostile to India than the paki army --- this guy makes it seem as if NS and the paki civilian establishment will actually turn around 180 degrees. The reality is that NS disbursed 30+ crore paki rupees to the Lashkar-e-toiba after he became PM, and the paki civilian establishment is as pro-jihadi as the army...only difference is that the Army has more firepower and control over jihadi groups than the civilian establishment, and these civilians can pretend to be reasonable because they know they are stuck for ever in a subservient role.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Prem » 04 Sep 2015 01:21

PoK slams Pakistan: If Pakistan made for Muslims then why they are divided in Indian SubcontinentalPakistan was made by Brit and not granted Freedom. Iball's son claim Pakistan was made by Hindus Bkoz Muslims were not even capable of doing so. Give POK to India if India treat J&K as Bhutan.POK Muslims separated themselves from Khalistani brought in by ISI in UK.
No POK muslim fly Paki flag. POK leaders cannot step in G& Baltistan.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Dipanker » 04 Sep 2015 01:22

The good Sharif plays the role of a good sheriff in the good cop/bad cop game, many in India fall far it.

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ramana wrote:Tuavalan, Read the message. The guy Blackhat is being sarcastic and saying TSP needs to have talks between themselves before they want to have talks with India.

K.C. Singh type of sarkari babus who got in by influence in the UPSC are just that, They want pomp and pelf and no substance. An unlearning system will collapse.

I think Swami is US compromised just like Rajamohan and will sing to HMV like the kutta.


Looks like the small groups of WKK in the MEA and in Dilli were leaking the next plans of GOI. The Pak establishment and Pak ISI got these info and could keep the MEA in circles without India getting anything.

The new govt NSA team has figured out this leak and also used the info of the WKK inside Dilli and outside and created a new plan which others could not figure out (Uncle). The lady's article shows the surprise and confusion to react to the new establishment.

The old WKK hands (KC SIngh, sarkari babus) in the MEA have felt shock and despair to be overruled and their old process of 20 years being locked out.
So KC Singh really thinks pakistan is interested in dialogue? Did they have advanced courses in Congenital Stupidity in the IFS school when KC Singh was in there? KC Singh must have aced that one, if so.

But this changing old process may have given a wrong signal and hence the talk of war from the hawks in the Pak camp. Kutta needs to be patted.

Nawaz Sharif is no less hostile to India than the paki army --- this guy makes it seem as if NS and the paki civilian establishment will actually turn around 180 degrees. The reality is that NS disbursed 30+ crore paki rupees to the Lashkar-e-toiba after he became PM, and the paki civilian establishment is as pro-jihadi as the army...only difference is that the Army has more firepower and control over jihadi groups than the civilian establishment, and these civilians can pretend to be reasonable because they know they are stuck for ever in a subservient role.

NS is the new 'leader' who has established contact with NDA PM Vajpayee and BJP. He is the official leader who can make any NDA PM visit Pak. Mushy(PA) wanted this role but will not get it now. Hence NDA and Govt has to give special privileges to PM NS and establish the POC for India in the various power centers in Pak.

Modi govt has the ability to change this pattern
he pattern is very clear, when things go right, the Army takes credit, when things go wrong, civilian prime minister gets the blame (to such an extent that many think the PM is a plain idiot). In fact, it is the Army which is holding the civilian government hostage along with the people, the country, the region and the world.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 01:51

svinayak wrote:NS is the new 'leader' who has established contact with NDA PM Vajpayee and BJP. He is the official leader who can make any NDA PM visit Pak.


Err...no Indian PM should be visiting pak, especially not modi. The pakis can easily cause him deadly harm, and then what? India with throw a ten ton dossier on their head? Even the american leadership makes unannounced, secret visits to pakistan -- to even contemplate sending out the Indian PM and leaving his security at the mercy of the Paki army is beyond ridiculous. Pakis are swirling down the toilet bowl of reality -- they can face the consequences of harming the Indian PM and pretend it was all "non state actors"...what will India do then? Throw a WMD (Weapon of Massive Dossier) across the border and choke them in red tape?

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

Postby Peregrine » 04 Sep 2015 02:00

Pakistan moves to pacify lenders, wants $1b loan

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and a trio of international lenders are slowly looking to bridge a trust deficit after both sides softened their positions, which may pave way for the approval of a $1-billion loan meant as budgetary support for the energy sector.

The World Bank, Asian Development Bank and Japan have withheld approval of $1 billion after they doubted the Pakistan government’s commitment to reform the ailing energy sector. The lenders had complained that officials at the Ministry of Finance and Water and Power were backtracking from their assurances on the energy sector, said sources.

The officials, accused of not delivering on their commitments, created an impression in front of economic managers that the World Bank was changing targets and putting forward new conditions after implementation of earlier ones, they added.

The accused

Economic Reforms Unit (ERU) Director General Najeeb Khaqan is said to have misled the economic managers on the issue of deliverables for the $1-billion lending. Khaqan denied that that he misinformed the ministry, insisting he did not give any commitment to global lenders without prior approval of the Finance Ministry.

Zargham E. Khan, a key official of the Ministry of Water and Power, was also accused of making over-commitments, an allegation Khan has denied, adding that he never committed anything without approval of the competent authorities.


The government’s inability to implement promised reforms has led to the delay in getting the loan approved, which was originally planned for April this year. Under the Development Policy Credit-II (DPC-II), the World Bank will approve $500 million, the ADB $400 million and Japan will co-finance the World Bank loan by providing an additional $100 million in grant.

Prior actions and reforms for the DPC-II had been finalised a long time ago and international lenders have not changed targets. Instead, they have sought progress on reform implementation before approving the loan.

Finance Minister Ishaq Dar took up the issue with World Bank’s managing director last month. He also raised the issue with the ADB director general on Tuesday. Dar is said to have told the ADB official that he has conveyed the deadline of September 4 to all government ministries to resolve outstanding issues, said officials who attended these meetings.

Resolving the matter

After growing differences with global lenders, Dar has taken it to himself to resolve outstanding issues. During numerous meetings held last month, the finance minister came to know that ministries’ claims of global lenders changing goalposts were not true, said the sources.

They said that these misgivings have now been addressed and the government was also in the process of implementing the remaining actions. During these meetings, representatives of international lenders also accepted the government’s point of view on certain outstanding issues.

However, the lenders would not move the case for board approval until the government implements all the agreed actions, said the sources.

One of the contentious issues is the initial functioning of the Central Power Purchasing Agency (CPPA) Guarantee Limited as an agent of power distribution companies for the purchase of power from public and private sector producers.

The World Bank and ADB are of the view that the financial viability of the power sector cannot be ensured without paying the full cost of power to its producers.

The CPPA operationalisation is overdue since 2009; the eventual purpose of the organisation is to set up competitive trading and bilateral contracts. This will eventually create a wholesale power market and, under the revised plan, it will be fully operational by 2020.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby abhijitm » 04 Sep 2015 02:20

Indian export to pakistan including illegal routes in my estimate is aboit 7 billion usd and growing with huge potential. It seems there is a strong indian lobby in Delhi who hires journos, run aman ka tamasha and practically push for every way to have a soft stand with pakis. ISI probably realised this and it allows these trades so to keep the leverage. It is very much possible some of these indian traders could be in touch with ISI and there is a wink wink here. Heard many paki army walas act as middleman via Dubai for trade between india and pakistan.

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Postby Prem » 04 Sep 2015 02:33

Afghanistan 's interior Minister Nur ul-Haq Ulumi and new Taliban Honcho in Pakistan after Mullah Omar are old enemies who have fought many battles with each others in past.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 05:45

abhijitm wrote:Heard many paki army walas act as middleman via Dubai for trade between india and pakistan.


Let's hope the security pact with UAE reveals and nails all these Indian mofos who are working with enemy for profit and are willing to do whatever it takes to protect their business interests in Pakistan. Surely involves a lot of politicians and babucracy.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 07:15

Kasuri giving details of the Kashmir solution that was negotiated by Pakistanis with congressi goons.

Kasuri has in the interview said that India agreed on all points that pakistan wanted:
a) First and foremost they wanted a change from the status quo, which India agreed to.
b) India agreed to demilitarization in kashmir valley.
c) Free movement of Pakistan occupied kashmiris (and pakistanis) into Jammu and Kashmir without passport/Visa.
d) India agreed to have international observers including pakistani officials to be in Kashmir in future elections.
e) Kasuri said that to make sure that India did not have the option of stopping water from flowing into pakistan, pakistan got India to agree to a committe of kashmiris from both sides to overlook water issues and new projects, pakistan would have gained as Kashmiris he said are trustworthy and would not stop water unlike the indians.

It was only the Indian army that stopped this nonsense from being formalised.

Question here is how could Manmohan Singh and S K Lambah so blatantly act against India's interests? Can they be tried under anti-national laws?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 07:24

^^^ Pakistan was concerned that India was getting very sophisticated arms and technology from Israel. Kasuri thought just by reaching out to them and asking them to stop arming India would suffice and Israel would agree not to to sell arms to india.
Pakistan asked Turkey to help establish talks with Israel. He says i went and told them not to act in an anti-pakistan manner by selling sophisticated arms to India. Israel must have of course told him to take a hike.

Kasuri then follows the pakistani tradition of declaring victory when defeated by saying i rejected Israel offer to give us "sophisticated technology" (Which unlike India was not arms but agriculture related know-how) if pakistan was to recognise Israel. I said to them Pakistan will not recognize Israel and Pakistan can also take some action against Israel :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Kashi » 04 Sep 2015 08:21

CRamS wrote:Well I am not sure. I have interacted with a fair number of SKs, and it does it does not seem to me that at the pee-pee level, SKs and NKs harbor any deep rooted hatred or ill will and vice versa. Furthermore, it seems to me that NKs and SKs are pretty much the same people. This, unlike TSPians who have irreversible hatred for anything Hindu, and despite the colonial propaganda, WKK cowardly talk, Bollywood Bhajrangi Bhaijaan garbage, Indians and TSPians are not the same people. Completely different and on different glide paths.


Since this is going OT, it will be mast last post on the topic.

You'll be surprised at the striking parallels between the two. RoK citizens have no stomach or appetite for Korean reunification. Yet quite a few of their films and dramas carry WKK-like stuff with characters from North and South coming together to fight a bigger enemy- Japanese, Chinese or the West.

NK defectors face a torrid time resettling in SK, despite the affinities. The language is the same, but the dialectical differences make it a nightmare for many. There may not be deep-rooted hatred (though every attempt is made to indoctrinate NK citizens to that effect), but there is plenty of condescension and derision against defectors who manage to settle in SK. There are scores of articles on this. For citizens of RoK, they prefer the status quo, keep those unwashed, uncouth peasants on the other side of the DMZ and let us get on with our lives.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

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Postby partha » 04 Sep 2015 08:29

Amber G. wrote:Oh Dr Samar Mubarakmand!!! The Paki's most celebrated

Didn't he also claim long back that there are trillions of tons of coal in Thar region of Pakistan and that it will inshallah taala solve all energy problems of Pakistan forever and got funds allocated for the project which is still going on(?) after so many years? The energy problem of course has gotten worse and is now at the mercy of Chinese.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 08:32

One striking non-parallel is that the NoKo citizens do not harbour enemity for SoKo citizens, it is only the leadership, quite unlike the jihadi scum that populate the craphole of the planet in our neighbourhood -- we already know that they are indoctrinated to hate India and hindus from a young age, and such mental conditioning has to be taken seriously by those who are targeted with such indoctrination. Even if the Paki army magically disappeared, the rest of jihadi scum and suave RAPEs that populate pakistan will not turn around and start being reasonable -- they already reveal their mindset on social media on a daily bases.

The other non parallel is that NoKo military dictatorship is run by a cabal that makes no bones about it being in control -- Kim Jong Un executing his subordinates on a regular basis on a whim is different from the "democratic" paki army that shares the loot and spreads the risk among a larger section of the paki populace (civilian and military) than the NoKo leadership.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 04 Sep 2015 10:25

Vipul wrote:Question here is how could Manmohan Singh and S K Lambah so blatantly act against India's interests? Can they be tried under anti-national laws?

Vipul, first of all, it is coming from Kasuri, a Paki. Then, I doubt if GoI would have been so dense when everything seemed to be stacked in favour of Pakistan and nothing at all for us. Let us therefore wait for a response from people involved.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby JE Menon » 04 Sep 2015 11:27

^^Hameen

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Falijee » 04 Sep 2015 13:37

Wife Of Pakistan President Refuses To Shake Hands With Chinese P.M. :rotfl:

Mrs Mamnoon Hussein makes the meeting with the Chinese premier very awkward :mrgreen: [*]

Full Pakistaniyat On Display :D

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby uddu » 04 Sep 2015 14:34

lol. Is it halal to visit a Kufr country and meet Kufr people like this? :eek: Sharam Saharam. :rotfl: Where is the Burkha? :evil:
This must be an eye opening to the Chinese to really understand to whom they are dealing with and the ideology of those people. Samajhdaar Ko Ishara Kafi Hai

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 15:15

SSridhar wrote:Vipul, first of all, it is coming from Kasuri, a Paki. Then, I doubt if GoI would have been so dense when everything seemed to be stacked in favour of Pakistan and nothing at all for us. Let us therefore wait for a response from people involved.

SSridharji it has been more than a month now that Kasuri has been on an overdrive promoting his book and giving these tid-bits to all the Abduls and there has been no clarification from the Indian side.
Till the Indian army put its foot down in 2007 the 4 point "Kashmir solution" has been in and out of the news.At that time i remember pakistanis had commented that Indian army was not in the control of Indian government when it refused to vacate and pull out from Siachen.
Kasuri has also stated that all these points were negotiated for 3 years in the back channel through US, Britain and EU intermediaries and they have a record of all the documents that were exchanged. All these years there have never been any denial from the Indian side.

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Peregrine » 04 Sep 2015 15:59

Tuvaluan wrote:The wannabe-paki mofo Praveen "grandmother" Swami finds this bit by paki Ayesha Siddiqua "very reasonable", not too surprising. The lines of ex-MEA types of KC Singh's ilk are being repeated by both Swami and Siddiqua, and provides the pakis an excuse for their behavior.


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Must we talk? Fab stuff from Ayesha Siddiqa on the India-Pakistan talks | http://bit.ly/1LDhoET


Tuvaluan Ji :

Methinks P. S. & A. S. are from King's College London
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 16:02

partha wrote:
Amber G. wrote:Oh Dr Samar Mubarakmand!!! The Paki's most celebrated

Didn't he also claim long back that there are trillions of tons of coal in Thar region of Pakistan and that it will inshallah taala solve all energy problems of Pakistan forever and got funds allocated for the project which is still going on(?) after so many years? The energy problem of course has gotten worse and is now at the mercy of Chinese.


Samar Mubarakmand has since the last many years been selling a dream to pakis of unlimited energy through gasification of thar coal. He has even put up pilot plant (which flopped) to keep the aam abduls hooked on this.

When a Pakistani talk show ran a programme showing that the plant was not viable (energy produced was not enough and not commercially viable). He went to the Producer/Anchors office with his entourage of SSG commandos and told (threatened) him that he should not be doing such program's if he knew nothing about science :mrgreen:

Samar Mubarakmand was upset that the government of Pakistan would be forced to curtail/stop funding his program (requires 110 cr pakistani rupees a year :D ) which he wanted to protect and hence wanted this info not to come into the public domain. These figures were given by the same channel in its telecast.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Sep 2015 17:26

^^^ Kasuri's stuff is a matter of degree & detail, not a matter of outline. As a reminder:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/ ... ck-channel
The New Yorker, 2009:
The most recent version of the non-paper, drafted in early 2007, laid out several principles for a settlement, according to people who have seen the draft or have participated in the discussions about it. Kashmiris would be given special rights to move and trade freely on both sides of the Line of Control. Each of the former princely state’s distinct regions would receive a measure of autonomy—details would be negotiated later. Providing that violence declined, each side would gradually withdraw its troops from the region. At some point, the Line of Control might be acknowledged by both governments as an international border. It is not clear how firm a commitment on a final border the negotiators were prepared to make, or how long it would all take; one person involved suggested a time line of about ten to fifteen years.

One of the most difficult issues involved a plan to establish a joint body, made up of local Kashmiri leaders, Indians, and Pakistanis, to oversee issues that affected populations on both sides of the Line of Control, such as water rights. Pakistan sought something close to shared governance, with the Kashmiris taking a leading role; India, fearing a loss of sovereignty, wanted much less power-sharing. The envoys wrestled intensively over what language to use to describe the scope of this new body; the last draft termed it a “joint mechanism.”

Manmohan Singh’s government feared that successor Pakistani regimes would repudiate any Kashmir bargain forged by Musharraf, who had, after all, come to power in a coup. The Indians were not sure that a provisional peace deal could be protected “from the men of violence—on both sides,” the senior Indian official who was involved recalled. And they wondered whether the Pakistan Army had really embraced the non-paper framework or merely saw the talks as a ploy to buy time and win favor in Washington while continuing to support the jihadis. “I remember asking Tariq Aziz, ‘Is the Army on board? Right now?’ ” the senior official recalled. “As long as Musharraf was the chief, had the uniform, I think he had a valid answer. He said, ‘Yes, the chief is doing this.’ ”

As the peace talks stalled and Musharraf’s power waned during the first half of 2008, the I.S.I., or sections of it, appeared to be reënlisting jihadi groups. On July 7th, a suicide bomber rammed a car loaded with explosives into the gates of India’s Embassy in Kabul, killing fifty-four people, including the Indian defense attaché. The United States intercepted communications between active I.S.I. personnel and the Taliban-aligned network of Jalaluddin Haqqani, which is believed by U.S. military and intelligence officials to have carried out the Kabul Embassy attack. Haqqani has a long history of collaboration and contact with the I.S.I.; he was also a paid client of the Central Intelligence Agency during the late nineteen-eighties. On September 4th, less than three weeks after Musharraf’s resignation as Pakistan’s President, Kashmiri militant groups, including Lashkar-e-Taiba, appeared at a large open rally in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan-held Kashmir; the Pakistan Army has a heavy presence in this city, and it is unlikely that such an event could have taken place without the I.S.I.’s sanction. The rally seemed designed to send a message across the Line of Control: Musharraf is gone, but the Kashmir war is alive.

“We asked them specifically, ‘How is all this going on if you say the Army’s on board?’ ” the senior Indian official recalled. “They kept saying, ‘Give us a chance. We need time. Yes, yes, the Army’s on board.’ ”

In October, Durrani, who was then Pakistan’s national-security adviser, travelled to New Delhi and met with members of India’s National Security Advisory Board. Indian Army officers presented “some very nice colored charts,” as Durrani put it, documenting recent increases in ceasefire violations and jihadi infiltrations along the Line of Control. Durrani found the charts “a bit one-sided,” but when he returned to Islamabad he sought explanations about the violations from Pakistan Army commanders. In January, Durrani was fired after making public statements that were seen in Pakistan as too accommodating of India.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 17:28

Peregrine wrote:Methinks P. S. & A. S. are from King's College London


Peregrine saar, A.S. is from KC. I cannot find any reference to PS being from KC....doesn't explain Praveen Swami being full of Pakistaniyat at all times...a virtual walking commode if you will.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Sep 2015 17:31

Kasuri has also stated that all these points were negotiated for 3 years in the back channel through US, Britain and EU intermediaries and they have a record of all the documents that were exchanged.


From the New Yorker:

To refine the non-paper, Musharraf relied intuitively on his college friend Tariq Aziz, a civil servant who had made his career in Pakistan’s federal tax department, a bridge enthusiast who seems to some of his colleagues to live precariously on tobacco and adrenaline. Aziz’s Indian counterparts—J. N. Dixit, Singh’s national-security adviser, followed by Satinder Lambah—worked more formally. The Indians typically brought note-takers to the secret hotel sessions overseas, whereas Aziz travelled alone, rarely carried a briefcase, and often had to scribble his notes on hotel stationery. Altogether, there were about two dozen of these hotel sessions between 2004 and early 2007, according to people familiar with them.


Not sure about intermediaries, and so on.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 17:35

Here is Hussain Haqqani writing utter self-serving shyte as usual, i.e., being a paki RAPE as usual. Of course, Praveen "Grandmother" Swami finds all this very reasonable too.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/28/pakistani-hate-indian-disdain/

Certainly amusing that this wanker HH who is PNG-ed from Pakistan chooses to advice Indians on how to treat pakis and pakistan.

Indians, on the other hand, could choose to engage with Pakistan without appearing to be bent on rubbing their neighbor’s nose in the ground. So far, there is little sign that rationality will overcome Pakistan’s hate towards India and India’s disdain for Pakistan.


HH should know that Indian disdain is a result of interacting with the lying paki scum for decades, and is in fact a result of rational response to pakistaniyat in all its forms -- it is not "irrational" as Shytehead Swami and HH would like to pretend.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Sep 2015 17:53

More Kasuri - towards the end, predicts Modi will be a dove, maybe in his second term.
http://www.awaztoday.tv/News-Talk-Shows ... -2015.aspx

IMO, these back channel negotiations convince the Pakistani Army that if they can get so much by unforced negotiations, India will yield much more with their jihadi pressure.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 17:56

Every donkey and its grandmother seems to advice India on how to make peace with pakistan -- what is of concern is that the likes of Vikram Sood actually find this piece reasonable.

http://brownpundits.blogspot.in/2015/08/pakistan-and-indiathe-long-view.html

The peacenik case:
And finally, the security establishment and it's fear of irrelevancy and demotion: no such luck. This is not a valid fear at all. Guess who will get all the Amul franchises when peace breaks out? Yes, cousin Jimmy and retired Brigadier uncle! Money can be made in many ways. You can make it in peace rather than war. Collect tolls. Distribute movies. Arrange concerts. Set up businesses.You know you can do it. And security? it will be an even bigger headache after we betray the two-nation theory and try to hold Pakistan together for Chinese transit companies and Qingchi makers. Endless Islamist, Baloch and Mohajir insurgencies loom on the horizon. Maybe even a Maoist one will break out if poor people get shafted extra-hard. Your jobs are safe.


Question is, Omar Ali, what are the priorities of the paki army ya think? Your assumption seems to be that they will be in a position to enrich themselves and that is a good thing for India. Seriously, a bunch of guys who have run their entire country into debt to destroy India are now going to step back and let peace reign for a few bucks? Also, once they get rich, what is their incentive to continue enriching themselves instead of nursing delusions of screwing India...what are the litmus tests here to demonstrate that these pakis have indeed not being the usual lying scum and have actually changed (short of telepathy that is)?

This is the case for peace. What is the hardline case?

Note that the two sides do not have symmetrical aims. Pakistan's aim is to force India to make concessions using the threat of renewed support for Jihadis, Khalistanis, Maoists, NE Separatists etc, to force India to make concessions. India's aim is to prevent Pakistan from making such an attempt. In order to see decisive change in this respect, India also wants clear and decisive action against the Mumbai attackers. Such action is not just desirable because a heinous terrorist crime was committed and its perpetrators have not yet been punished (though I personally think that is a good aim in itself) but because such action would be the best evidence that Pakistan is no longer committed to the Jihadist option against India. If Pakistan does this, India will almost certainly be willing to make at least a cold peace. Thus, when I speak of an Indian hardline case, I do not mean the extreme Hindutvadi case of wishing to reabsorb Pakistan "with extreme prejudice".



So now it is not the pakistani army, but "Pakistan's aim to force India to make concessions"? your slip is showing. As for justice for mumbai, too little, too late, so don't bother -- India can do without another series of charades of paki "justice system" making a show of conducting a trial just for publicity, with no intention of convicting any one. So really, you paki mofos need to burn down to the ground -- that is the only way out of this, and you all seem to be quite capable of doing that yourself.

As for India making concessions, why should India do so at peace time when it did not do so during war? And no, "Indians" like Praveen Swami and KC Singh do not speak for the Indian public or the Indian govt. when they "advice" India to do exactly that.

But we all know, once a two-faced paki, always a two-faced paki. Omar Ali reveals his actual pakistaniyat in the last couple of paragraphs after a lot of reasonable sounding bullshyte.

1. There is another sense in which the Kashmir situation is asymmetrical, though you do allude to this indirectly. There is a real separatist movement in Indian Kashmir with real buy-in from a significant (possibly growing) segment of the population. There is no such separatist challenge on the Pakistani side. Thus, in real terms, Kashmir is a much more "actual" problem for India than for Pakistan. It is true that Pakistan has failed to change the status quo of the borders, but the price of that "failure" has been paid more by India than Pakistan - if we do not count the jihadi menace afflicting Pakistan now as part of that cost. As long as this calculus obtains, I don't see the true decision-makers on the Pakistani side budging. India may think it can counter this by supporting separatism elsewhere in Pakistan, but it just isn't the same.


So Omar Ali thinks pakis overrun by jihadis is not that much of a problem -- it is nice to see paki intellekchils of Omar Ali's go around making plans with this mindset. But I agree with omar ali, more jihadis and more islam is only going to pakistan better and destroy India once and for all.

2. The hysteria created by the Indian TV news media is truly a phenomenon in its own right. There is a corresponding process in Pakistan, but it pales in comparison. This may have gone into overdrive post-Mumbai, but is not caused by that horrific event. I have been watching the evolution of this ultra-hyper-super-duper-nationalist media in India with considerable horror for many years since long before Mumbai. Unlike the jingoism in the Pakistani media which is: a) mostly incompetent; and b) leavened by a fair amount of serious punditry, a lot (not all) of the TV news media on the Indian side is superficial and "Fox-y". The print media, in contrast, is much better - better than Pakistan's - but we all know that print is dead :-)


Isn't it nice to see this paki pretend that Indians have suffered no other "horrific events" outside of 26/11, and it is all "nationalism" that is causing Indians to look at pakistan with a jaundiced eye..the same sentiment as the paki RAPE scum of Hussain Haqqani, Mosharraf Zaidi, and Ejaz Haider's ilk....but as we know, pakis are all duplicitous lying scumbags, and Omar Ali is no exception.

And then finally, we get to the "India must be a responsible country even if pakis are a bunch of rabid violent scumbags" but certainly a new fresh spin on it.

The world can barely survive a dysfunctional Pakistan; it cannot survive a dysfunctional India. As such, India has a greater responsibility to remain serious, gracious and sagacious even in the face of provocation. When it too turns to provocation, I think it is time for everyone to get very nervous.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 18:12

@acorn
Now that the talk of "limited war" has rattled the Pakistanis, let's go back to restoring economic growth & social capital.


So we can't do both or many things at the same time, eh? This strategeric exbert must have trouble walking and breathing at the same time, and he writes this just after he tweets

‏@acorn
Nice to hear that [pakistan is ready for war]. But it doesn't make sense for India to go to war in the first place.


Well done, genius, admitting India will not go to war makes it unnecessary for pakis to call India's bluff about going to war, innit? Eejit. Certainly the right company for Praveen Swami, given their love for Hussain Haqqani's "moderate" pakistaniyat.


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