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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 06:40
by svinayak
Tuvaluan wrote:
Tuvaluan, I have always been suspicious of her intentions. I simply do not feel comfortable with her extended stay in India at all.


Totally agree, saar. She seems to focus on Punjab and the North East, and does not care much about the south. She claims to have done her Ph.D. on Punjab, so this North East "research" is what may be a future topic of interest for her. Not to mention, her line is "I love pakis, just not the pakistani army"...so..

The thing is, if Robin Raphael was just following govt. policy, then that policy was run by the Clintons, as it during Clinton's presidency, but CFair also tries to sell the Clintons as some sort of pro-India chums, and then makes random claims about how the clintons were the ones who worked hard to get the US close to India, which is all utter BS to anyone who has been watching. Maybe she is just a clueless academic, but somehow I doubt that...something quite devious about her.


All of them are from different dept of GOTUS. Cfair represents the pro Pak team of the analyst group in GOTUS. Raphael is from the same team.
There is the pro India group in GOTUS which has less influence. They play against each other in games.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 06:42
by A_Gupta
This thread has reached its 72!

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 07:00
by SSridhar
Govt in no hurry to initiate Pak talks - ToI
A few days before the ill-fated talks between national security advisor A K Doval and his counterpart Sartaj Aziz, the Pakistanis started peddling the latest conspiracy theory from their spin factory: that they would corner New Delhi with proof of complicity of Indian agencies in the gruesome massacre of 126 schoolchildren from military families in Peshawar in December 2014.

True to their reputation, they would repeat it with a solemnity designed to carry credibility with those who insist on drawing equivalence between the two countries, as well as with the swagger of someone confident of the prowess {We always see this in Pakistanis} of their stealth weapon.

There was a little problem, though. A military tribunal which sentenced seven terrorists for carrying out the horrific slaughter of innocent children was never presented with the arsenal of evidence of "Indian hand" that Aziz was supposed to unleash on Doval.

In a statement, Pakistan army said that five of the terrorists belonged to Tawhid wal-Jihad, a jihadi outfit founded by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi who commanded the Iraqi branch of al-Qaida and was the source of inspiration for the formation of the brutal Islamic State. The other terrorists belonged to Pakistani Taliban and Jaish-e-Mohammad, the latter responsible for a number of terror atrocities against India, including the traumatic hijacking of IC-814.

The allegation was of a piece with the tricks that Pakistan had tried since its Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif committed the mistake of agreeing to a "terror-only" talk between the two NSAs in Ufa in July. Sharif, always prone to misread the military mind, had grossly underestimated the resolve of his army and the ISI not to pause their terror campaign against India. {While that may be so, Nawaz could not have embarked on an initiative with India without the concurrence of the Army even during normal times. Nowadays it is even extraordinary in Islamabad with Nawaz having ceded space everywhere to the Army and feeling completely besieged by it and the political developments.} The moves were aimed to wriggle out of the commitment between Sharif and Prime Minister Narendra Modi to get their NSAs to focus on "terrorism and all related issues".

Of course, Pakistan would claim that while it was being faithful to the Ufa spirit, India was out to wreck it by saying it would not let the two NSAs discuss Kashmir. Faced with the charge that Sharif had undermined the cause of J&K by acquiescing to India's insistence on prioritizing terrorism over other issues of bilateral concern, Pakistan argued that Kashmir being the "core issue" was part of the agenda for NSA talks.

Simultaneously, terror attacks against India increased with jihadis belonging to ISI's protege Lashkar-e-Toiba venturing beyond their traditional sphere of depredations to strike in Gurdaspur and Udhampur, a spike the government is convinced was meant to provoke India into calling off the talks.

The tactic failed to work with India refusing to enlarge the scope of the "terror only" format, leading Pakistan to cry off. But that Pakistan has not given up yet is confirmed by its high commissioner Abdul Basit's claim that Islamabad never insisted the NSA talks to cover Kashmir. The hollowness of the charge is borne out by the spate of accusations right up to the day Aziz called off his trip that India was deliberately misinterpreting the Ufa declaration to keep him from broaching the K-word with Doval.

Highly-placed sources contradicted Basit's claim that Pakistan would have been content with letting the two NSAs focus exclusively on terrorism, leaving J&K and other parts of the composite dialogue to be addressed by foreign secretaries.

"They have tied themselves in knots because they are victims of two miscalculations, one by Sharif who thought that Pakistan army, for the sake of its fight against terrorists, would relent on its hostile posture against India, and another by the military-ISI nexus that the unfolding scenario in Afghanistan has enhanced their leverage with foreign powers who would be compelled to indulge them," a senior source said.

That the generals and the spymasters were taking a lot for granted is indicated by Afghanistan scrapping the pact between its intelligence agency and the ISI. The US's tough stand on the release of coalition support fund, in lieu of the logistical support for international troops in Afghanistan, and the reluctance of President Barack Obama to host Sharif are other signs which show that Pakistan prematurely overplayed its hand.

The recognition that Pakistan is in an uncomfortable place is just one of the reasons why India would not rush into any fresh talks unless its concerns about terrorism are addressed upfront and its sensitivities about Hurriyat being unwelcome in the bilateral engagement are appreciated.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 07:05
by Tuvaluan
svinayak wrote:There is the pro India group in GOTUS which has less influence. They play against each other in games.


There is no such pro-India group. The US State dept. gets exberts from US universities to testify that US policy in the region is worthless without pakistan's help, and these morons are still in the cold war -- the real enemy is Russia apparently. The US is playing Checkers while the rest of the planet is playing scrabble. What can possibly go wrong. All of this seems to be some sort of ploy to justify large defence budgets decade after decade -- create large strawmen and then pretend that only a 700 Terawatt laser beam can burn them down. Idiot US taxpayers could care less even as they strip down to their undies to get on an airplane these days.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 07:26
by Shreeman
I would never say no to free raisins, even if its just 72 of them.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 07:30
by Tuvaluan
If there is anyone who cannot say no to raisins, it is a raisin-dieter.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 07:36
by Shreeman
You have touched my juguar vein with your thoughtful statement!

ps -- let us discuss the core issue in the new thread. With hurriyut as a third party of course!

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 08:02
by A_Gupta
Are you going to becturbate only, or is a new thread on its way?

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 08:14
by Satya_anveshi
Please begin becturbating here.

BRedators, pliz to klose the old dhaga.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 08:23
by gakakkad
lets stop having a TSP /STFUP thread.... that in itself will trigger several "Pakee is a nukular powder" statements from ISI/ terror army..

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 05 Sep 2015 09:29
by SSridhar
This thread has successfully reached its jahannum. Please post away in the new thread