The Islamic State, the Indian Sub-Continent & its Neighbourhood

[SSridhar]

Essential Material for Understanding the IS
(A placeholder for adding links and references)

• What ISIS Really Wants by Graeme Wood, The Atlantic, March 2015
• How ISIS Built the Machinery of Terror Under Europe’s Gaze - Rukmini Callimachi, NY Times, Mar 29, 2016
• The ISIS Correspondent

[SSridhar]

I am starting this thread to focus on the IS as increasingly its activities spread to other areas, especially in our neighbourhood. The first post will be similar to the one in the STFUP thread where we will keep adding links to understand this jihadi terror group more closely.

[SSridhar]

ISIS preparing to attack India: Report - PTI

WASHINGTON: The ISIS is preparing to attack India to provoke an Armageddon-like confrontation with the US, according to an internal recruitment document of the feared group which also seeks to unite the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban into a single army of terror.

An investigative story published on Tuesday by the USA Today and reported by American Media Institute refers to a 32-page Urdu document obtained from a Pakistani citizen with connections inside the Pakistani Taliban.

"The document warns that 'preparations' for an attack in India are underway and predicts that an attack will provoke an apocalyptic confrontation with America," the report said.

"Even if the US tries to attack with all its allies, which undoubtedly it will, the ummah (Muslims) will be united, resulting in the final battle," it added.

The document, according to the report, was independently translated into English by a Harvard scholar and verified by several serving and retired intelligence official.

Bruce Riedel, a retired CIA official and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, said striking in India would magnify the ISIS' stature and threaten the stability of the region.

"Attacking in India is the Holy Grail of South Asian jihadists," he was quoted as saying.

The undated document is titled 'A Brief History of the Islamic State Caliphate, The Caliphate According to the Prophet.'

It seeks to unite dozens of factions of the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban into a single army of terror, the daily said.

"It includes a never-before-seen history of the Islamic State, details chilling future battle plans, urges al-Qaida to join the group and says the Islamic State's leader should be recognized as the sole ruler of the world's 1 billion Muslims under a religious empire called a 'caliphate'," it said.

Aware of the ISIS' presence in Afghanistan, the White House said it is closely monitoring the situation.

ISIS' presence and its threat perception was also discussed in the past two months between senior officials of US and Pakistan.

"Instead of wasting energy in a direct confrontation with the US, we should focus on an armed uprising in the Arab world for the establishment of the caliphate," the document said.

The document was reviewed by three US intelligence officials, who said they believe the document is authentic based on its unique markings and the fact that language used to describe leaders, the writing style and religious wording match other documents from the ISIS, USA Today added.

[Altair]

We read BS before and it smells differently. This is definitely not BS.
We must immediately do
1. A National debate to accept that there is a need to recognize ISIS as a threat to our national integrity. Outcome: To form a high profile committee to come-up with a strategy to counter ISIS
2. Committee must come-up (within a time frame) with options to counter such a threat with what we have and any gaps we can fill in time we have left before we are attacked

[vijaykarthik]

there was one more thread on the IS which had about 7-8 pages, IIRC. Perhaps good to integrate both?

[yvijay]

According to Vicky Ninjappa on twitter, this was a sinister move by US to egg India to fight with ISIS, which India has been steadfastly avoiding until now. GOI rightly believes taht we have larger fish to fry with LET and napak army.

[Tuvaluan]

Other than american claims about ISIS, what evidence is there to show that this is not the americans covering for the paki army's terrorism in India like they have done so many times in the past. It seems entirely too easy for the americans to provide cover of plausible deniability to the pakistani army and pakistan by making such tall claims about ISIS. Where is the proof that this ISIS is the same one as the one operating in Turkey, and if it is another group of jihadis that do not have any organizational ties to the jihads in the middle east, why this is "ISIS terror" threat any different from that paki terrorism that is planned and executed from countries in the middle east? The US has explicitly supported paki terrorism against India and there is no reason to indicate that they have not stopped doing that.

[shiv]

A philosophical question: In what way are ISIS worse than the men who attacked Gurdaspur?

We need to follow ISIS because we have faithfully followed Taliban and Al Qaeda - all chips off the old Islamic murderers block. But ultimately a man can get only so lethal and no more. Beyond a point it is his training, fitness, discipline, weapons and equipment that makes him more lethal. ISIS with Pakistani commando style training will be the same as LeT with Paki commando training will be the same as Paki SSG. But any of these backed by US tech in Paki hands is a problem. Let us not forget these basics while we enter into a new phase of US generated fear of one more Islamic groups. We have endured these hordes for centuries and don;t need the US to tell us unless its the ol' Amriki Maya bewitching us where we talk what the US tells us to talk about.

[shiv]

ISIS preparing to attack India: Report - PTI

What have I missed? 5 years ago, on this forum, we were told that the Taliban were going to attack India and we had a lot of American inputs and anxieties. What happened?

[Aditya_V]

A philosophical question in what way is ISIS different than the those who wiped out minorities in West Pakistan, 1971 murderers in Bangladesh and Kashmir Valley in 1989 or Pakistani behaviour throughout the 65 years or Jamaat behaviour in BD. Where everhis behaviour has they had weapons and numbers this behaviour has been exactly like ISIS

[rsingh]

Most probably,ISIS will try to capture/kidnap advance patrol party from border region and stage a yellow jumper beheading drama to make themselves relevant in India/kashmir/Pok. ISI or some non-state actors may copy this and pass the blame on ISiS.On other hand we have good relations with its financiers and promoters ( SA and other bandars). Even Israel is not clean on this. I think they have an understanding with Saudis.

[Tuvaluan]

Most probably,ISIS will try to capture/kidnap advance patrol party from border region and stage a yellow jumper beheading drama to make themselves relevant in India/kashmir/Pok.

Should we all conclude it is ISIS based on the lies being spread by the US State dept./CIA scumbags like Bruce Riedel and based on photos of these jihadis waving some stupid black flag and wearing "I is ISIS" T-shirts while they commit violence? The paki jihadis have already done this and worse, and any so-called ISIS mofos will suffer the same fate as these scum -- a well-placed bullet or 5 in their heads. India would be well-served to ignore the US-mofos and their ISIS scaremongering.

[shiv]

A philosophical question in what way is ISIS different than the those who wiped out minorities in West Pakistan, 1971 murderers in Bangladesh and Kashmir Valley in 1989 or Pakistani behaviour throughout the 65 years or Jamaat behaviour in BD. Where everhis behaviour has they had weapons and numbers this behaviour has been exactly like ISIS

+1

The truth is, when the same Islamic murderers are called Pakistan army LeT, HuM etc they are a "local IndiaPakistan" problem, even "secular", "moderate" and pro west

When they are fighting the mighty US the same Islamic murderers become a "global threat " like Al Qaeda, Taliban and ISIS

ISIS, Talban, Al Qaeda and Lashkar e Tayeba and Pakistani army genocide are all one and the same

It is only American fog in the mind that makes Taliban. Al Qaeda and ISIS "more dangerous" than Pakistani army or LeT. For Americans that is true. For Indians it is nonsense.

[svinayak]

A philosophical question: In what way are ISIS worse than the men who attacked Gurdaspur?

We need to follow ISIS because we have faithfully followed Taliban and Al Qaeda - all chips off the old Islamic murderers block. ISIS with Pakistani commando style training will be the same as LeT with Paki commando training will be the same as Paki SSG. But any of these backed by US tech in Paki hands is a problem. Let us not forget these basics while we enter into a new phase of US generated fear of one more Islamic groups. We have endured these hordes for centuries and don;t need the US to tell us unless its the ol' Amriki Maya bewitching us where we talk what the US tells us to talk about.

What they are saying that there is going to be ISIS army with tanks, guns, airplanes and navy ship
This army is going to attack India and bring in the 1 billion muslims of the world against India.
This was the original plan of the US during the 60s when Pak was egged to attack India in 1965 and they actually create ummah backed alliance for Pak army.

"Attacking in India is the Holy Grail of South Asian jihadists," he was quoted as saying.

Western analyst are propagating this BS

According to Vicky Ninjappa on twitter, this was a sinister move by US to egg India to fight with ISIS, which India has been steadfastly avoiding until now. GOI rightly believes taht we have larger fish to fry with LET and napak army.

India has not shown much action in the west asia till now. The pendulam will swing towards west asia and Indian hegemony will prevail. To prevent this hegemony they are creating this ISIS

[shiv]

What they are saying that there is going to be ISIS army with tanks, guns, airplanes and navy ship

I am also saying the same thing.

But I am saying that the name ISIS is just a new name for Pakistani army and we have been under attack for 68 years. But in India we pay attention only when Americans say things.

[shaun]

Pakistan is the nerve center of global terrorism and they will remain the same until they get destroyed. For India , it hardly matters whether its ISI or ISIS , we have to prepare for the worse . Porkis have played the victim card well and with uncle's and chinese help they will survive few more years.

[svinayak]

But I am saying that the name ISIS is just a new name for Pakistani army and we have been under attack for 68 years. But in India we pay attention only when Americans say things.

Yes, this is correct.
They want to attach rest of the muslims wih the Pak army and call it ISIS

[shiv]

But I am saying that the name ISIS is just a new name for Pakistani army and we have been under attack for 68 years. But in India we pay attention only when Americans say things.

Yes, this is correct.
They want to attach rest of the muslims wih the Pak army and call it ISIS

If the west can instigate Indian Muslims to join ISIS then they stand to gain as ISIS moves east. That appears to be what is being hoped for.

But I think Indians, Hindus and Muslims need to fight the west's game plan

[Tuvaluan]

This bogus American ISIS scaremongering has been peddled in the recent past by jokers in the Indian "strategeric thinking" crowd. Some one with the Handle Tuan tried to "Raise ISIS awareness" on BRF not too long ago out here.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/indias-blind-spot-on-isis/

and been further amplified by the tools who claim they are master strategeric analysts at Indian thinktanks like Takshashila and at ORF and Brookings India, who peddle the US line in India consistently.

[shiv]

Just finished reading Patrick Cockburns "islamic State" book. Cockburn points out how the US botched the Iraq war and how Turkey too is botching things because they don't want ISIS but they don't like Kurds either.

I am currently reading late Saleem Shehzad's "Inside Al Qaeda and Taliban". That is a much better book. ISIS do see Afgh/Central Asia as "Khorasan" and do have ideas of getting into India. But they have to dominate Pakistan first. ISIS are no worse than Pakistani army. Their butchery is no worse than the massacres that have taken place in India time and again.

It would be interesting to see ISIS getting Pakistani nuclear weapons and then watch as they decide whom to nuke first, the west or India.

[deejay]

there was one more thread on the IS which had about 7-8 pages, IIRC. Perhaps good to integrate both?

Yes, either that should come here or this gets merged to that. Otherwise 02 silos for one set of information and analysis.

[shiv]

I'm guessing most people did not actually read that thread. I would ignore it and stay on this one. With Sridhar staring this thread it will not go the particular route that thread went.

[habal]

make no mistake ISIS is natural threat to pak army which has large percentage of shias, christians, some have ismaeli and ahmadiya wives in officer ranks. Pak Army is deathly afraid of what will happen in event of large, directed concerted ISIS strike against them.

Bruce Riedel, Anatol Lieven, et al are paki sympathetic and are trying to spin it for their friends. Indian Army and USSR trained Saddam's intelligence wing which forms mainstay of ISIS brainbank.

[shiv]

At its core ISIS is hardly a pan-Islamic force. It is a Sunni organization

Back in the 90s the Taliban were totally brutal and their brutality combined with US , Paki and saudi aid made them rise to power. But they played host to Al Qaeda - which is simply a cooked up name for a general anti-west Islamic sentiment. That led to 9-11 and the US attack on the wrong target - first Afghanistan - stopping their attacks briefly for the Kunduz airlift while Paki advisers escaped US attacks, the that insufferable moron Dubya attacked Iraq and upset the Shia- Sunni balance. The Shia leadrs who was placed after Saddam was brutal against Sunnis and that allowed ISIS to grow.

ISIS could, in theory come into Afghanistan and Pakistan as well - but it's not going to be that easy. If Pakistan destabilises Afghanistan, ISIS will have an easier time. ISIS is, by all accounts replacing Al Qaeda and poaching fighters from LeT and Taliban - both Afghan Taliban and Paki Taliban. The US by backing the Paki army has put ISIS on the warpath against the Paki army. But the Paki army is rotten and Islamized at its core and it may be a matter of time before the Pakis army's Islamist core gains ascendancy. Need to see if that happens. I would be happy to see that because then the pretence of supporting the US will end and Islam - Sunni Islam will have nukes aimed against the west.

[disha]

Bakis without the civilian mask of plausible respectability is ISIS.

[shiv]

Either some of us, including me are too old, or we collectively have short memories.

or maybe YouTube and LiveLeak had not yet come into existence back then

Anyone recall the video of the Taliban execution of a woman (Blue niqab) in a field. The Kalashnikov bullet from point blank range passes right through her head and kicks up dirt on the ground before she topples.

Remember the other one - I got told off by a a fellow admin for describing it. it was the live video of a Russian soldier having his throat cut. The screams turn into a sort of bubbly noise as the windpipe was cut and blood bubbles through.

The difference now is that everyone has access to videos and anyone can make and upload videos. Video editors are a dime a dozen. Back then I had to pay 1 dollar for a pirated Chinese copy of a 200 dollar Adobe Premier pro Video editing software. Better stuff is now free.

Because of all this ISIS seems more brutal. They are not . They are just the same ol' same ol'. They are seen much more, that's all

[disha]

^^ Saar,

It is a generational change. Some of us only heard of razaakars., while other saw or read the savagery East Bengal/Bangladesh and in Kashmir. The new generation had fewer opportunities to hear about it and even fewer opportunities to read about it. Now they are seeing the razaakars or the pigs in action - sometimes live and sometimes almost immediate and hence the generation thinks that the same old razaakars is ISIS and hence is a new crisis.

[SBajwa]

Not only you can see the gruesome videos but you can share them across the world on your tablets and phones! gone are the days of the PCs.

[Anantha]

Th goal is to morph anti India terror grps in pakiland, into another form to fight India, nothing more. Another try by unkils and aunties

[shiv]

By all accounts - 99.9% from the western media ISIS is rich. Funding for groups who represent ISIS comes from wealthy Saudis and Kuwaitis and probably other rich sheeks.

Their access to arms has multiplied because of Iraqi army desertions that dropped US arms into ISIS hands. The fundamental issue in Iraq was the replacement of bad bad Saddam with a "democratic" US puppet leader who was basically sympathetic to shias more than sunnis. They actually ended up massacring Iraqi sunnis, making the latter sympathetic to ISIS. Eventually in the uprising Iraqi soldiers were told to remove their uniforms, drop their weapons and flee - which they did in large numbers.

The Syria confusion is worse. The West tried to topple Assad and ISIS took his place. ISIS were massacring everyone including Kurds so Kurds began fighting ISIS. Turkey wants to fight ISIS but they don't wants Kurds either. And they are on the West's side when it comes to Assad.

it's a right royal mess.

So what has all this got to do with India. Not a lot actually. It was the semi-mythical Al Qaeda that lifted the Quranic concept of "Khorasan" which is supposed to predict the second coming of Islam. Khorasan is supposed to be Central Asia and taking India is only one part of the process. Dominating the entire middle east and defeating Europe is also an important part. To some extent this Khorasan business is like my long standing close association with Angelina Jolie that forum members have known about for over a decade. You have seen my success in that department. It is one thing to killkillkillkillkillkillkill. It is a different matter to simply take over stably governed nations. Iraq and Syria were stably governed until guess who destabilized them? Uncle America.

Can ISIS enter India? To answer that question first we need to tie our dhotis real tight so we stop shivering every time some half-with western author says "ISIS is coming". Those same haploid spermatozoons had told us that Taliban is coming and if we are going to base our knowledge on that then we deserve to dhoti shiver.

First of all what the fuk is ISIS? ISIS is a loose coalition of sunni Islamist forces who are indoctrinating Muslims who are willing to listen into joining the battle against injustice to Muslims.

Now where is this injustice to Muslims? Those of us who have been reading Islamist material for the last 15 years will know that "injustice to Muslims" is the mere existence of non Muslims who are not in a state of subjugation. This particular grievance is not going to go far. But yes there has been some injustice to Muslims in Muslim lands and in the west which serve as the seed for a rebellion.

Among the worst injustice to Muslims have come from the rich oil sheeks. Anyone who knows Indian Muslims will know that a woman riding a scooter or allowing the hijab to drop accidentally in public are not crimes. Going to a class where non Muslims study is also not a crime and does not mean that the class is for sexual intercourse. These are criminal acts in Saudi Arabia and opposing this invites punishment. And guess what? KSA is an ally of the US. The US bitterly opposes Islamic restrictions like hijab and claims to promote liberalism, but at the same time ensures the survival of despotic gulf sheeks.

ISIS is doing to the gulf kingdoms exactly what the TTP was doing to Pakistan. They are saying - "You buggers are only half-islamic. If you want Islam you need to impose it fully. You can't have pretend sharia and then get support from western countries. You are frauds"

Note that the whisky swilling Pakistani army behaves exactly like the gulf sheeks. The have pretend Islam that allows sops for western tendencies. This is a perfect situation for radical Islam to rear it's head. Just like TTP is exactly what the Pakistani army needs, ISIS is exactly what the gulf sheeks and the west need.

ISIS is no worse than Paki army. We need to fear ISIS as much as we fear and respect the Paki army (I do think the Paki army deserves some respect as a fighting force). But just like I would be happy to see "more islam" in Pakistan, it would be good to see "more Islam" in KSA. Let ISIS play havoc. And ISIS is Sunni after all. If they have a problem with shias, that's of no concern to us.

inside India shia and sunnis and everyone else will live in peace -by coercion if necessary. Let the religion of peace fight it out along with their book brothers in West Asia and Europe

[RajeshA]

May be Indians should ask ISIS, what help do they need in taking out the Pakjabi kammandus?

One could say that this sounds like an apparently failed bid by Israel to undermine Arafat and his PLO by covertly giving support to Hamas, and that later on Israelis ended up with more intransigent Hamas in Gaza, who continued to throw missiles over into Israel.

The difference with Pakistan is that Pakistani society is actually quite "Hindu" with a lot of feudal and "caste" hierarchy, as well as a heady mix of ethnic and sectarian differences. Also Hamas supplanted PLO but both were from the same "classless" society. Also Hamas remained a Palestinian organisation, centered on Palestine.

Whatever one may say about Pakistanis, including that they love to prostitute themselves to the superpowers, one thing one needs to grudgingly accept. At least they have a "deep state", an establishment, catering to its own interests and using others to survive and empower itself.

The problem with ISIS Khalifas is exactly that - it demands centralization of ultimate authority with the Khalifa. The Pakistani elite would cease to be their own masters and would have to serve at the whims of a Khalifah living somewhere far off. The Pakjabi establishment loses its independence, including the independence to prostitute, independence to pimp itself.

Whereas the Taliban were more or less fringe groups trying to have a share of the pie, and Pakistani Army resisting or coopting them, the Army did not really give much to the Taliban and in fact remained to a large extent Taliban's paymaster and taskmaster. ISIS is a different fish. If ISIS wins, then the Jernails serve at the pleasure of ISIS High Command. The Pakjabi establishment ends up a loser.

So one can be sure that the Pakjabi Establishment would resist ISIS as far as it can. Sure it again may serve the Pakis to scare others with the ISIS tag, but ISIS is not in their interest.

That means ISIS can be used to undermine Pakjabi Establishment and I can't really foresee ISIS being able to push through some central command structure which bypasses the empowered groups in Pakistan.

What if the Pakistani Army itself pledges support to ISIS pro forma? Does it change anything? Yes, it does change, especially internally for the Pakistani Army. It can then kiss its structures and processes goodbye. Would Pakjabis want ISIS sitting in Baghdad appointing Pakistan's COAS?

Pakistani Army is the status quo power. ISIS means an overthrow of that power. India's job should simply be to afford ISIS to weaken Pakistani Army. An ISIS-managed Pakistan is unlikely simply because of the heterogeneity of Pakistan society. Bangladesh did not want to be controlled from elsewhere. Neither would Pakistan want it so.

So if it is unfeasible for ISIS to control Pakistan, all ISIS can do is to weaken the current regime there, and that is welcome.

[kmkraoind]

AIDS spread among ISIS militants who raped infected Yezidi girl

Damascus, Syria – An Indonesian fighter in the ranks of the Islamic State group (IS/ISIS) passed AIDS on to his Yezidi sex slave. The same slave has been later sold to other members of the radical group, causing a state of panic in the ranks of IS in Shaddadi city, northeast Syria.

On Wednesday, Syrian human rights activist group ‘Sound and Picture’ reported the spread of AIDS among a group of IS militants in Shaddadi city in Hasakah province.

“The infected Indonesian militant passed the disease on to his 15-year-old Yezidi sex slave, who brought it further to other militants after being repeatedly sold,” a Syrian local activist told ARA News on the condition of anonymity.

The Indonesian militant has also donated blood at an IS-held hospital in Shaddadi, before being tested positive with AIDS, which raised the group’s concerns about possible infection of dozens other militants.

The source added that the Yezidi girl was sold to an Egyptian fighter, “who was also confirmed positive with AIDS”.

“IS executed the Indonesian fighter for spreading the diseases among the militants,” the source reported.

Medical sources in the IS-held province of Deir ez-Zor reported Wednesday that AIDS has spread to several other militants who raped the same Yezidi girl.

Among the infected militants are two Saudi nationals and an Egyptian.

Never thought of this angle. I think a few AIDS infected persons in each city can wipe out entire ISIS militants (of course there will be huge collateral damage in the form of sex slaves too getting infected). Since sex slaves are exchanged amongst a large pool, the chain reaction will be pretty devastating.

[gakakkad]

^^ misphortunately it is not that simplistic...
'a vaginal intercourse with infected female has 4 /10000 probability of infection..

And it has a 10 year lag period before which u ll remain asymptomatic...

However the virus is known to achieve very high prevalence rates in some countries ...like Sub -saharan Africa...so it has demonstrated its endemic potential...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... lence_rate

Many sub saharan african nations have a prevalence rates of 20-25%...


AoA ISIS will excel in this sphere of endeavor as well and show Swaziland , botswana ,lesotho , who the real mard-e momeen is and have a prevalence rate of 50%...

[Altair]

AIDS spread among ISIS militants who raped infected Yezidi girl
Never thought of this angle. I think a few AIDS infected persons in each city can wipe out entire ISIS militants (of course there will be huge collateral damage in the form of sex slaves too getting infected). Since sex slaves are exchanged amongst a large pool, the chain reaction will be pretty devastating.

This is the oldest trick in the book to demoralize an invading army. Having vishkanya prostitutes camp near army tracks and tempt soldiers and ministers is nothing new in our warfare. They probably didnt have AIDS but definitely much more potent poisons.

[shiv]

AIDS spread among ISIS militants who raped infected Yezidi girl

Damascus, Syria – An Indonesian fighter in the ranks of the Islamic State group (IS/ISIS) passed AIDS on to his Yezidi sex slave. The same slave has been later sold to other members of the radical group, causing a state of panic in the ranks of IS in Shaddadi city, northeast Syria.

On Wednesday, Syrian human rights activist group ‘Sound and Picture’ reported the spread of AIDS among a group of IS militants in Shaddadi city in Hasakah province.

“The infected Indonesian militant passed the disease on to his 15-year-old Yezidi sex slave, who brought it further to other militants after being repeatedly sold,” a Syrian local activist told ARA News on the condition of anonymity.

The Indonesian militant has also donated blood at an IS-held hospital in Shaddadi, before being tested positive with AIDS, which raised the group’s concerns about possible infection of dozens other militants.

The source added that the Yezidi girl was sold to an Egyptian fighter, “who was also confirmed positive with AIDS”.

“IS executed the Indonesian fighter for spreading the diseases among the militants,” the source reported.

Medical sources in the IS-held province of Deir ez-Zor reported Wednesday that AIDS has spread to several other militants who raped the same Yezidi girl.

Among the infected militants are two Saudi nationals and an Egyptian.

Never thought of this angle. I think a few AIDS infected persons in each city can wipe out entire ISIS militants (of course there will be huge collateral damage in the form of sex slaves too getting infected). Since sex slaves are exchanged amongst a large pool, the chain reaction will be pretty devastating.

Doc Gakakkad is right. It is not so easy to spread AIDS. Besides there are drugs that can be given to help prevent the infection even after contact occurs.

But the scare is a good thing.

In the old days men would get gonorrhoea - a disease that causes extreme pain on pissing and other problems - but antibiotics have pretty much made that a low risk. Syphilis, cured by penicillin was also common but did not cause acute suffering in the early days.

[shiv]

One of the things ISIS has done is that it has pretty much replaced Al qaeda as the prime Islamic force. For the west the difference is that while Al Qaeda was more of an ideological body, ISIS is an "actions speak louder" entity and they loot and kill brazenly. This is what worries the west because they are not doing the looting or killing which is always ethical and just when they do it. As far as India is concerned we have lovable Teddy bears that pay attention to us - like Paki army, LeT, etc. We are a heathen uncivilized race of polytheists and any entities that kill us don't matter. We don't count. It is for this reason that all media and opinions in the west do not see the Indian viewpoint at all and anyone absorbing the western view will advise India to be afraid, very very afraid of the ISIS while in India we wonder why we are being hit just like ISIS by someone completely different like Paki army and its bootlicking Islamic chelas like LeT

But for shitistanis the smell of ISIS should come as an enjoyable (for Pakis) aromatic fart of a man with a bellyful of Jackfruit. After all ISIS wants real sharia, just like Pakistanis. However they don't seem to be happy. For one thing - a lot of LeT types are sitting waiting to cross the border into India but that is not happening so easily. On the other hand going to Syria and doing your job of killing is much easier - so LeT and other Paki groups have lost men to ISIS. Even Paki Taliban have lost men to ISIS as has the LeJ. ISIS is by and large pleased with LeJ because they are anti shia - so that gives them added strength.

Difficult to predict which was shitistan will fall. The US and shitistan will want the cosy days when Pakistan fights US enemies and gets aid to fight India. Maybe the warning about ISIS in India is trying to get India involved to "help" Pakistan fight ISIS rather than oppose Pakistan. Most of us need to recall that the same brain dead trick was tried to get India to fight the Taliban

[shiv]

IS ‘Threat’ to India a Foreign Intelligence Propaganda: RAW

Indian security establishment on Wednesday rejected reports in the US media that IS terror outfit was planning to attack India.

“The alleged document, ‘A Brief History of the Islamic State Caliphate’ is illogical and poor propaganda by some foreign intelligence agencies,” a senior official said, hinting that it could be handiwork of Pakistan’s ISI and terror outfits sponsored by the Pak agency to trigger fear in South-East Asia.

“IS has some traction but to say an attack will lead to confrontation with the US and so on only shows poor drafting by an intelligence operative. We have all the reasons to believe that IS sympathisers in Pakistan’s tribal region are linked to Pak establishment and Pakistani terror outfits may carry out terror activities under the IS veil,” he further said.

After the report citing the 32-page Urdu-language document surfaced in the public domain, top security and intelligence officers analysed it in the light of recent inputs generated by the country’s external spy agency RAW.

A RAW note reviewed by Express makes it clear that ‘Wilayat Khurasan’, an Af-Pak-based group which was accorded the status of Wilayat by IS, has linkages of its leaders with the Pak establishment. The RAW has clearly stated that Pak link with Wilayat Khurasan is a matter of serious concern for India.

The RAW gave several reasons while arguing that Wilayat Khurasan unlike other Wilayats across MiddleEast and North Africa called upon recruits to join Jihad in Syria and Iraq.

The linkages with Pak establishment also became clear when Wilayat Khurasan appointed former Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) commander Hafiz Saeed Khan as chief of Khurasan and Abdur Rauf Khadim as the deputy chief.

A senior intelligence officer, while decoding the threat from IS, indicated that at least two Pakistani terrorists– Abdul Rahim Muslim Dost and Asmatullah Muawaiya– were roped in by Wilayat Khurasan.

[member_23365]

One thing we should remember is one of the first major crisis faced by Modi government is kidnapping of Nurses by ISIS in Iraq.Based on the info available in public we were able to get them back with our diplomacy.
When west says ISIS(Taliban or AlQ) is coming to India its is just a fantasy of their munna(pakis) to be Gawza be hind.

[SSridhar]

Four Indians kidnapped in Libya, ISIS hand suspected: Report - ToI

Four Indians have been kidnapped by militants in Libya, Times Now reported on Friday.

All four abducted Indians were teaching in Tripoli in Libya.

They were abducted in Sirte.

ISIS militants are reported to be behind kidnapping of Indians.

The ministry of external affairs to trying to ascertain more information about kidnapped Indian teachers.

Meanwhile, the suspense still continues over 39 Indians who were kidnapped in Mosul town of Iraq by ISIS militants over a year ago.

Union minister of state for external affairs V K Singh said government was in "close and regular" contact with relevant Iraqi government authorities to obtain information on their whereabouts and safety.

[SSridhar]

atmajeetsingh, nurses were indeed got back safely, but the 39 workers (see above post) are still with the ISIS. We must be very, very worried about their well-being and safety because most of them are Sikhs, I understand. They were taken by ISIS proper unlike the nurses who were taken by some Anbar tribes whom we could influence.

The munna (which is really the Pakistani Establishment) is extremely scared of ISIS because they cannot survive it unlike AlQ, AQIS, LeT etc. They will never be pliant like these outfits. After all,the Establishment wants to control the game and benefit from it