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The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby ramana » 14 Apr 2017 05:06

SS, How credible is this ISIS in Afghanistan really?
700-1500 terrorists. Located in Nangarhar and Kunar Provinces.
Was this a TTP or Taliban stronghold?

US officials say intelligence suggests Islamic State is based overwhelmingly in Nangarhar and neighboring Kunar province.

Estimates of its strength in Afghanistan vary. US officials have said they believe the movement has only 700 fighters but Afghan officials estimate it has about 1,500.

The Afghan Taliban, which is trying to overthrow the US-backed government in Kabul, are fiercely opposed to Islamic State and the two group have clashed as they seek to expand territory and influence.


Or breakaway Taliban?
In which case it another instance of choosing sides and helping the Taliban.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby ramana » 14 Apr 2017 06:12

X-Posting for completeness....

Rudradev wrote:Wait wait wait.

We have no idea who "ISIS" really means in Afghanistan.

All parties have realized that "ISIS" is a buzzword these days, a shorthand for "really, really BAD terrorist, in my opinion".

For example Pakistanis have started referring to all the splinter groups of TTP, who did not come back into Islamabad's fold following the Zarb-e-Azb operation, as "ISIS".

Are these groups any worse from an objective point of view than the Quetta Shura or Haqqani Network... the Taliban factions which remain loyal to Islamabad's agenda? Of course not.

But by calling these groups "ISIS", Pakistan can evoke sympathy and assistance from other countries who take Islamabad's word for who is a good terrorist vs. who is a bad terrorist.

Today there are militant groups who are essentially fighting for Pashtun freedom south of the Durand Line, with Kabul's support. Pakistan has been screaming to everyone in the international community that these groups are actually "ISIS-Khorasan", when in fact they are no such thing. China has been lending its weight to bolster the credibility of Pakistan's claim that these groups are, in fact, ISIS.

That is what the China-Russia-Pak talks are about. Thanks to Islampasand scumbags like Zamir Kabulov, Russia has been roped in to support the pro-Islamabad Taliban factions in Afghanistan, because the pro-Islamabad Taliban factions are fighting the NATO-supported Kabul regime as well as the so-called "ISIS" factions (who are actually anti-Islamabad Pashtun freedom fighters).

So who exactly got a MOAB dropped on them?


Given Trump's willingness to believe the US deep state on Assad having a hand in the chemical weapons attack last month, it is clear that the US deep state is now dictating the terms of who is a "good terrorist" vs. who is a "bad terrorist" in Washington.

Given the new-found bonhomie between Washington and China, it is virtually guaranteed that China's version of who is "ISIS" in Afghanistan is being fed directly to Trump. This is exactly equal to the Paki version.

So most likely, Pashtun freedom fighters who were supported by Kabul, and fighting against Pakistan's illegal occupation of FATA and Khyber Pakhtunkwa, got bombed by the Americans in Tora Bora. Altogether a net negative for Indian interests.


Not so fast.
The MC-130 took off from Afghanistan.

The attack is in Afghanistan Nangarhar area.
The governor of that province claimed many Pakistanis (upto 400) were killed.
Hamid Karzai is asking why Afghan areas are being used as target practice?

The TTP is not in Tora Bora as far as this thread knows.

It could be the Taliban who are attacking Kabul govt. forces like ANA and ALC.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby Tuan » 14 Apr 2017 06:38

The long term strategic 1000 Kg "message" is aimed at Moscow and Tehran, who according to analysts, are covertly aiding and advising Afghan Taliban, whereas the US has a long term strategic interest in Central Asia, particularly in the Siberian Lands. Thus, it is just another post-Cold War proxy war between the US and Russia in multiple fronts, which is part and parcel of "The New Great Game".

Iran and Russia Team up with Taliban to Undermine U.S.-led Mission in Afghanistan

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby SSridhar » 14 Apr 2017 08:02

In any case, I hope the 22 terrorists from Kerala who are supposed to have joined the IS in Nangarhar are wiped out now.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby SSridhar » 14 Apr 2017 08:05

I think it is too early to say what really happened. We have to wait for the smog to clear.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby sum » 14 Apr 2017 12:19

How credible is this news?
Scores of ISI officials dead in US bombing at Afghanistan

The operation that was jointly coordinated by the 201 Selab Corps of the Afghanistan army targeted the caves and tunnels that were used as hiding places by the IS. It is now clear that the Pakistan army was backing these IS operatives in Afghanistan, official sources also confirmed.

Indian agencies who are coordinating with their counterparts in Afghanistan have learnt that there are no civilians living in the area. There were a large number of stooges of the ISI who have been protecting the ISIS operatives in this area. The US action comes at a time when there was a huge build up of ISIS forces in Afghanistan.

Indian agencies say that the Pakistan army and ISI were nurturing these operatives. The entire area that was bombed was under the control of the ISI officials backing the ISIS, sources also said. The impact of the bomb was so huge that it blew up at least 500 Pakistanis and an equal number of ISIS operatives.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby Tuan » 14 Apr 2017 17:28

Video footage: GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb
KABUL, Afghanistan (April 13, 2017) - A GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb strikes ISIS-K cave and tunnel systems in the Achin district of the Nangarhar Province in eastern Afghanistan at 7:32 p.m. local time Thursday. The strike was designed to minimize risk to Afghan and U.S. Forces conducting clearing operations in the area while maximizing the destruction of ISIS-K fighters and facilities and eliminate any perceived safe haven for ISIS-K in Afghanistan.


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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby SSridhar » 14 Apr 2017 20:08

Mother of all bombs kills 36 Islamic State militants in Afghanistan - Reuters
As many as 36 suspected Islamic State militants were killed in Afghanistan when the United States dropped the “mother of all bombs”, one of the largest non-nuclear devices ever unleashed in combat, the Afghan Defence Ministry said on Friday.

Thursday's strike came as U.S. President Donald Trump dispatches his first high-level delegation to Kabul, amid uncertainty about his plans for the nearly 9,000 American troops stationed in Afghanistan.

The deaths have not been independently verified, but Ministry spokesman Dawlat Waziri said no civilians were harmed in the massive blast that targeted a network of caves and tunnels.

“No civilian has been hurt and only the base, which Daesh used to launch attacks in other parts of the province, was destroyed,” Mr. Waziri said in a statement.


He was using an Arabic term that refers to Islamic State, which has established a small stronghold in eastern Afghanistan and launched deadly attacks on the capital, Kabul.

“Last night's bomb was really huge, when it dropped, everywhere, it was shaking,” said a resident, Palstar Khan, adding that he believed no civilians were in the area hit.

Other residents said they saw militants climbing up and down the mountain every day, making occasional visits to the village.

“They were Arabs, Pakistanis, Chinese and local insurgents coming to buy from shops in the bazaar,” said resident Raz Mohammad.

On Friday, the village was swarming with Afghan and international troops, as helicopters and other aircraft flew overhead.

The strike was part of a joint operation by Afghan and international troops, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani's office said in a statement.

“Afghan and foreign troops closely coordinated this operation and were extra cautious to avoid any civilian casualties,” it said.

Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the use of the weapon on Afghan soil.

“This is not the war on terror, but the inhuman and most brutal misuse of our country as testing ground for new and dangerous weapons,” he tweeted.

The Taliban condemned the use of the bomb, saying in a statement, “Using this massive bomb cannot be justified and will leave a material and psychological impact on our people.”

American officials said the bomb had been positioned for possible use in Afghanistan for “some time” since the administration of former president Barack Obama.

The United States has steadily intensified its air campaign against Islamic State and Taliban militants in Afghanistan, with the Air Force deploying nearly 500 weapons in the first three months of 2017, up from 300 in the corresponding 2016 period.

Thursday's strike was not the first time Islamic State fighters have been targeted by heavy American bombardment in Nangarhar, where a U.S. special forces soldier was killed battling militants a week ago.

In March, U.S. forces conducted 79 “counter-terror strikes" against Islamic State targets in Nangarhar, killing as many as 200 militants, according to the U.S. military command in Kabul.

American military officials estimate there are around 600 to 800 Islamic State fighters in Afghanistan, mostly in Nangarhar, but also in the neighboring province of Kunar.


The United Nations has raised concerns that the American air campaign is swelling civilian casualties in Afghanistan.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby SSridhar » 14 Apr 2017 20:17

ramana wrote:SS, How credible is this ISIS in Afghanistan really?
700-1500 terrorists. Located in Nangarhar and Kunar Provinces.
Was this a TTP or Taliban stronghold?
Or breakaway Taliban?
In which case it another instance of choosing sides and helping the Taliban.


ramana, I re-post what I posted in the Afghanistan thread about a month back.

As far as Afghanistan goes, the Afghan NSA is correct at the moment when he says that the ISIS & Taliban have a symbiotic relationship. The ISIS in Nangarhar are actually defectors from the then tenuously monolithic TTP which fragmented in c. 2014 once Fazlullah was hoisted as the Emir after the killing of Hakeemullah Mehsud. The hardcore fighters of ISIS in Levant have *NOT* relocated to Afghanistan (or Khorasan). Who are the players in Khorasan currently? They are the Taliban, AQ, ISI, fragmented TTP, LeT, JeM, IMU, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Ismael Khan, Dostum and the Northern Alliance of the Sher-e-Panjshir. It is the same players who have aligned one way or another.

The Khorasan Unit of the IS & Taliban may not be fighting each other at present (but there were bloody clashes earlier) and may be concentrating on removing Ghani and democracy in order to establish a Shariah-based Emirate. Thet does not mean they are aligned. They are simply avoiding internecine war for the present. It may not even be by design. In the absence of any information to the contrary, one has to assume that the Afghan Taliban and the AQ are still joined at the hip. That is what the ISI would also want. However, on a global scale, the IS & AQ are certainly opposed to each other and have been so from the beginning. The January [2017] tirade by Zawahiri against the ISIS is a proof. They will fall apart at some point of time within Afghanistan also.


The Afghan situation is complex as far as ISIS is concerned. There is an IS unit announced with its Emir and the rest of the senior management. There are also a number of erstwhile Taliban commanders, warlords, mujahideen commanders who have announced support for ISIS. All of them have connections with the ISI going back several decades. The case is not as clear cut as in Syria, for example.

In any case, Nangarhar & Kunar are the strongholds of the ISIS-K unit.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby SSridhar » 14 Apr 2017 20:22

ramana, this is from a post of Dec, 2015, again from the Afghanistan thread. But, it largely holds good even today, IMHO.

How is the IS placed within Khorasan? On the Afghan side, Helmand, among the most extensive opium-growing sites in Afghanistan, was turning out to be a recruiting ground for IS as reports in January 2015 spoke of a certain Mullah Abdul Rauf doing the recruitment for the IS. Moreover IS flags have been hoisted at several places in Ghazni, Balkh and Zabul provinces. Reportedly, the IS Caliph, al-Baghdadi had ridiculed Mullah Omar calling him “a fool and illiterate warlord undeserving of a religious title.” On April 18, 2015, the IS announced its presence close to the Pakistani border when it detonated four bombs in Jalalabad of Nangarhar Province. The deadliest was a suicide bomb outside a bank. Government authorities said the bombs killed 35 people and injured 125. In clashes between IS and the Taliban in late May 2015 in the Farah province of Western Afghanistan, 27 were killed including 15 IS & 12 Taliban jihadists. There are also reports of other fights between the IS and the Afghan Taliban.

On the Pakistani side, the TTP has a four-way split and considerable leaders pledged their support to the IS. In mid-January 2015, the IS formally announced the leadership team of its Khorasan unit. This borrowed heavily from the split TTP. But, beyond that nothing has happened. Of course, Tahir Yuldashev's IMU also pledged support to IS and moved to the Afghan-Tajikitan borderlands as a result of Zerb-e-Azb operations. However, IMU's support to IS is doubtful at this point.

Therefore, as of now, the IS is *NOT* a serious threat to the Taliban either in Afghanistan or much less so in Pakistan. There is a concerted effort by the 3½ Friends as well as China to recognize the Afghan Taliban as a legitimate stakeholder in Afghanistan whose wishes need to be accommodated. This is an endorsement of the Pakistani position because the Americans and its allies are tired and want to exit. The Taliban/ISI combine is on a strong wicket. The only undoing could be the internecine war among the Taliban.

Therefore, I do not believe that the ISI is facing any danger from ISIS and therefore is planning to strike any truce with them. They will not do so unless they are about to be overrun by them. The fact is that the IS is so embattled in the Levant that it has no time for Khorasan. And, that is good news for the ISI. The same goes for the Afghan Taliban vis-a-vis the IS.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby SSridhar » 15 Apr 2017 17:42

'Number of IS fighters killed by US bomb crosses 90' - Agencies
An Afghan official says the number of militants killed in an attack by the largest non-nuclear weapon ever used in combat by the U.S. military has risen to 94.

Ataullah Khogyani, spokesman for the provincial governor in Nangarhar, said Saturday the number of Islamic State group dead was up from the 36 reported a day earlier.

A Ministry of Defense official had said Friday that the number of dead could rise as officials assessed the bomb site in Achin district.

The U.S. attack on a tunnel complex in remote eastern Nangarhar province near the Pakistan border killed at least four IS group leaders, Khogyani said. He said a clearance operation was continuing.

There had been heavy fighting in the area in recent weeks between Afghan forces and IS militants.

The number of Islamic State fighters killed by a massive US bomb in eastern Afghanistan has nearly tripled to at least 90, Afghan officials said on Saturday.

The GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb -- dubbed the "Mother Of All Bombs" -- was unleashed in combat for the first time, hitting IS positions in eastern Nangarhar province on Thursday.

The bomb smashed their mountain hideouts, a tunnel-and-cave complex that had been mined against conventional ground attacks, engulfing the remote area in towering flames.

"At least 92 Daesh (IS) fighters were killed in the bombing," Achin district governor Esmail Shinwari told AFP on Saturday. Nangarhar provincial spokesman Attaullah Khogyani gave a toll of 90.

Afghan officials had earlier said the bombing had killed 36 IS fighters.

Mr. Shinwari insisted there were "no military and civilian casualties at all".

Security experts say IS had built their redoubts close to civilian homes, but the government said thousands of local families had already fled the area in recent months of fighting.

The massive bomb was dropped after fighting intensified over the past week and US-backed ground forces struggled to advance on the area. An American special forces soldier was killed last Saturday in Nangarhar while conducting anti-IS operations.

President Ashraf Ghani threw his support behind the bombardment.

But some officials close to him condemned the use of Afghanistan as what they called a testing ground for the weapon, and against a militant group that controls only a tiny sliver of territory and is not considered a huge threat.

IS, notorious for its reign of terror in Syria and Iraq, has made inroads into Afghanistan in recent years, attracting disaffected members of the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban as well as Uzbek Islamists.

But the group has been steadily losing ground in the face of heavy pressure both from US air strikes and a ground offensive led by Afghan forces.

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby SSridhar » 19 Apr 2017 08:11

13 Indians reported killed in U.S. MOAB bombing - The Hindu
An Afghanistan-based news agency said on Tuesday that 13 Indians were killed in the Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) attack by the U.S. military in Achin district of Nangarhar province last week.

The National Investigation Agency said it was not sure of the claims and was still verifying it.

Last year, as a well thought-out conspiracy, 21 men, women and children from Kerala had left for Afghanistan via Iran to live in the IS-controlled territory. Mainly comprising defectors from Tehrik-i-Taliban (TTP), the Wilayat Khorasan of Islamic State in Afghanistan came into existence in 2015.

National Investigation Agency investigating

The National Investigation Agency was investigating the case and over the past two months, at least two of them Mohammad Hafezuddin and Murshid Mohammad have been killed in drone attacks.

Quoting a credible source, the Afghanistan news agency said, “Thirteen Indian Daesh militants were also among those killed in the attack. Daesh commanders Mohammad and Allah Gupta :roll: were from India.” An National Investigation Agency official said they were in touch with the families of the missing Indians.

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Postby Garooda » 20 Apr 2017 19:44

Selectively remembering and reminding the constitution :lol:

What a sad state of affairs. :|

Cleric Syed Sha Atef Ali Al Quaderi today claimed that Bollywood singer Sonu Nigam had shown disrespect to the Constitution by his comment on use of loudspeakers in shrines and that the singer should consider leaving the country.

"Sonu (Nigam) has insulted the Constitution of the country.... I think such a person must consider leaving the country," Quaderi, the vice-president of West Bengal Minority United Council, said here.

"He has also hurt religious sentiments of many Indians by speaking against 'azaan' (Islamic call to worship). He must apologise as soon as possible admitting that he has done a mistake," the cleric told a press conference.

Else, Nigam should fulfil the rest of the conditions set down by me to get the reward of Rs 10 lakh, he said.

"Sonu has shaved off his head. But he still needs to do two more things I had mentioned about wearing a garland of old shoes and touring the country. Once he fulfils these two deeds, I will hold a press conference and hand over the cheque to him," he said.

On April 18, Quaderi had announced a Rs 10 lakh reward to anyone who would tonsure the singer's hair, put a garland of old torn shoes around his neck and parade him around the country.

The Bollywood singer had yesterday got his head tonsured at a press conference in Mumbai where he said that his tweets were against the use of loudspeakers in morning sermons and not aimed at any particular religion.
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Postby SSridhar » 21 Apr 2017 07:14

UP ATS busts ISIS-inspired terror module, three arrested - ToI
The Delhi Police special cell and Uttar Pradesh Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) today reportedly busted an ISIS-inspired terror module spanning five states.

Three persons were arrested on suspicion of terror-related activities in a massive operation carried out simultaneously in Mumbai, Jalandhar, Narkatiaganj in Bihar, Bijnor and Muzaffarnagar. Six suspects were also taken into custody for interrogation.


"UP ATS conducted joint anti-terror raids in Maharashtra, Punjab, Bihar, Andhra Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh in coordination with police of the five states," UP ATS Chief Asim Arun said.

In a joint operation by UP ATS and STF, two people were arrested after a raid was carried out at a mosque in Bijnor's Barhapur area. The ATS had received intelligence that some known terror suspects in West UP had become active and were recruiting new members in preparation to carry out a terror strike.

The operation was conducted with the help of the Special Cell of Delhi Police, Crime Investigation Cell of Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra ATS , Punjab Police and Bihar Police.

Early on Thursday morning, the raid team led by ATS arrested Muhammad Fauzan and Muhammad Tanveer, who were on their way to the mosque for morning prayers. Barhapur police station SO Mukesh Kumar confirmed the arrests.

SSP (Dehat) Dharamvir Singh said the police had been informed about the ATS raid, but had played no role in it.

Eyewitnesses said the ATS had left their vehicles some distance off and had approached the suspects on foot.

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Postby Sachin » 21 Apr 2017 12:17

IS commander from Kerala reportedly killed in US bombing......
Sajeer Mangalasseri, the head of Islamic State volunteers from Kerala, is suspected to have been killed in the US air raids in Nangarhar province in Afghanisthan, the national media reported quoting intelligence agencies...

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Re: The Islamic State and the Indian Sub-Continent

Postby SSridhar » 21 Apr 2017 13:16

After the MOAB burst, I wrote:
SSridhar wrote:In any case, I hope the 22 terrorists from Kerala who are supposed to have joined the IS in Nangarhar are wiped out now.


Slowly, we have started hearing good news from there . . .

Sachin wrote:IS commander from Kerala reportedly killed in US bombing......
Sajeer Mangalasseri, the head of Islamic State volunteers from Kerala, is suspected to have been killed in the US air raids in Nangarhar province in Afghanisthan, the national media reported quoting intelligence agencies...

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Postby SSridhar » 21 Apr 2017 15:01

2 men sentenced to 7 years in jail for recruiting, raising funds for ISIS - PTI
Special court today awarded seven-year jail term to two men after they pleaded guilty of criminally conspiring to raise funds and recruiting people for the terror outfit ISIS.

District judge Amar Nath convicted accused Azhar-ul- Islam (24) from Jammu and Kashmir and Mohammed Farhan Shaikh (25) from Maharashtra, following their U-turn more than a month after the court framed charges against them.

The accused had moved an application through advocate M S Khan saying they "are remorseful of the acts alleged against them. There is no prior criminal record against them and they want to join the mainstream and want to be productive for the society and want to rehabilitate themselves".

"The applicants are pleading guilty without any pressure, threat, coercion or undue influence," the plea had said.


The court had last month framed charges against both the accused and 36-year-old Adnan Hassan for allegedly hatching a criminal conspiracy to raise funds for the ISIS and recruiting people for the terror outfit. The trial against Hassan is continuing separately before the same court.

The court had framed the charges for alleged offences of criminal conspiracy under the IPC) and under provisions of the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act (UAPA).

The National Investigation Agency (NIA) had registered a case against the three accused on January 28 last year. They were arrested the next day on arrival here from Abu Dhabi.

According to the probe agency, Hassan and Shaikh had been frequently visiting the UAE in connection with jobs since 2008 and 2012 respectively, while Islam had gone to join them in the UAE in July, 2015.


Hassan was earlier allegedly affiliated to the Indian Mujahideen and later got inclined towards ISIS, it alleged.

The charge sheet filed by NIA had claimed that the accused persons, in connivance with other known and unknown associates, had hatched a criminal conspiracy to propagate the ideology, recruit persons, raise funds and facilitate the travel of those recruited to Syria to join the ISIS and further its activities.

The final report said that in furtherance of the conspiracy, the accused had created multiple email IDs, used multiple mobile numbers obtained from their associates from different countries, formed various online forums and groups on Facebook, WhatsApp, Kik, VKontakte, Viber and Skype, using the internet and invited and associated like-minded persons, residents of different countries.


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