Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby vishvak » 22 Oct 2015 23:15

Hari Seldon wrote:>>Dhruva Jaishankar ‏@d_jaishankar 54m54 minutes ago
This paragraph from the U.S.-Pakistan joint statement is very, very interesting.

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Isn't Paki PM under threat of coup and consequences by the jihadi bunch (under label of RAA conspiracy), or something? It is almost a Paki miracle that he does not complain of sham democracy he has to mask, and still talks big about about Kashmir etc.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby Abhay_S » 22 Oct 2015 23:33

http://www.dawn.com/news/1214694/comment-is-pcb-out-to-sacrifice-it-all-for-cricket-revival-with-india

The fiasco at the BCCI headquarters in Mumbai which forced the cancellation of a scheduled meeting between the heads of the Pakistan and Indian cricket boards has shocked Pakistanis everywhere.

While I am sure that every Pakistani cricket fan would like to see the resumption of cricketing ties between the two countries, no one would agree to the sacrifice of national pride and self respect to achieve this end.

The visit and the events that followed have raised many issues and I am afraid none of these have been answered by the haughty interview given by head of the PCB executive committee Najam Sethi to a Pakistani TV channel.

One sees no reason why the senior most Pakistani officials should have gone to India to discuss a tour that is supposed to be played in Pakistan (or Pakistan’s current home venue the UAE) in the first place. The protocol is that officials of the touring side should visit the officials of the home side and these protocols have been put in with a purpose.

In case Mr Sethi does not know it, the purpose is to ensure that everyone is given the same consideration and everyone’s sense of national honour and prestige is looked after. India and Pakistan, after all, are not the names of two cricket clubs. When national sides play all national sensibilities on both sides have to be taken into account.

Secondly, after the cancellation of the Mumbai meeting, there was absolutely no reason for the PCB chief to stay on in Delhi to meet not the head of the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) but the vice-president or number two. If the BCCI chief could not find the time or the political will, or both, Mr Shahryar Khan should have returned to Pakistan after telling his Indian counterparts that they could come to meet him either at Lahore or Dubai whenever convenient. Staying on in Delhi for a meeting which was described by the BCCI vice president Rajeev Shukla as “informal” gives the impression that Pakistan is bending over backwards to get this series with India and no amount of financial gain justifies that.

Sethi’s contention that people who point out such things are “playing politics” is childish, even nonsensical, because it is entirely and totally pointless to think that a series between India and Pakistan can be a cricketing event and no more. The huge political baggage that comes with such a series cannot be ditched overnight.

I will not go into the issue of the response of the Indian and Pakistani governments to the Mumbai incident because that lies in the realm of pure politics. But the response of the ICC to the threat against Pakistani umpire Aleem Dar has been disgraceful. Aleem Dar was not there on a holiday. He was there as an official of the ICC, appointed by the ICC and in India on the instructions of the ICC. He was threatened on political grounds and was therefore unable to fulfill his duties as an ICC official.

The correct response would have been to withdraw all ICC officials till such time as conditions were appropriate for the appointed ICC team to continue with its duties and if that was not forthcoming, to tell the Indian board that the ICC had no alternative but to withdraw its officials and that as such this would henceforth be an unofficial cricket series between India and South Africa, played under the supervision of umpires privately appointed by the Indian and South African boards, if both boards agreed to such an arrangement. In simply replacing Aleem Dar, the ICC has shrunk away from doing the right thing and the reasons for that are quite obvious.

But the ICC has a thornier problem on its plate. Given the current situation in India, how can a Pakistani side be expected to take part in the forthcoming T20 World Cup to be held in India next year? The ICC should be telling India that if the political climate in India does not show a marked improvement - an improvement to be gauged not by the Indian board but by the ICC - the ICC will have no alternative but to withdraw the T20 World Cup from India.

But of course, nothing of the sort is going to happen and as such :mrgreen: , it will be the responsibility of the Pakistan Cricket Board to decide on a course of action.

This is an issue of security and much more. I have had the honour of leading a Pakistani side in India under conditions much more conducive than the current one and I know just how much pressure is put on a Pakistani side playing in India – something that Mr Sethi would not have a clue about. The PCB has to ask itself whether it is fair to tell its players to play in an environment as hostile as the one at present and one which is unlikely to improve given the credentials of the present India government – credentials which Sethi has himself explained at length on a Pakistani TV channel a couple of days before the incident in Mumbai.

Nobody is unaware of the financial benefits that accrue from a series against India. But there is just so far that Pakistan should go to play such a series. The PCB seems to be giving too much importance on India’s “contractual obligation” to play Pakistan, an obligation given by the Indians to buy Pakistani support before India, along with Australia and England, declared themselves elite cricketing nations.

That contract was never worth the paper it was written on because it is the Indian government, not the BCCI, that decides India’s foreign relations.

Najam Sethi and Shahryar Khan appear to have been entirely unable to read the situation in India and by going there when the situation did not call for it, they have caused grave embarrassment to Pakistan, its people and its cricket fans. And with news breaking through now that the chances of an Indian tour are somewhere between zilch and zero, there is precious little to show for it.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby Abhay_S » 22 Oct 2015 23:41

Hope our DDM sikulars read this and consider a move

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/30/pakistan-tops-worst-list-for-religious-freedom/?page=all

Religious freedom is under attack in Pakistan and the situation next door in Afghanistan is not that much better, despite an improvement since the country was ruled by the Taliban, a U.S. government advisory commission said in a report released Tuesday.

“Pakistan represents the worst situation in the world for religious freedom for countries not currently designated as ‘countries of particular concern’ by the U.S. government,” the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom said in its annual report. “The government of Pakistan continues to engage in and tolerate systematic, ongoing, and egregious violations of freedom of religion or belief.”


The report found that violations reached unprecedented levels because of growing incidents of sectarian violence against Shiite Muslims. The government also failed to protect Christians, Ahmadis and Hindus, it said.

Knox Thames, the commission’s director of policy and research, said the situation in Pakistan is “reaching crisis proportions.”

The commission repeated a recommendation it has made since 2002 that Pakistan be designated a “country of particular concern.”

The U.S. naming Pakistan as a country of particular concern would bring these challenges to the forefront of the U.S.-Pakistani bilateral relationship and hopefully move Pakistan to make concrete improvements,” Mr. Thames said.

Because the commission’s role is advisory, the State Department is under no obligation to enforce its recommendations.

The report says Pakistan’s anti-blasphemy law is often used to intimidate religious minorities.

Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S., Sherry Rehman, is the subject of an anti-blasphemy lawsuit.

The law, which came into effect during the dictatorship of Gen. Zia ul Haq in the 1980s, prescribes the death penalty for those perceived to have insulted Islam or Prophet Muhammad.

While the government has not carried out any death sentences, extremists often take it upon themselves to execute those accused in blasphemy cases.

In 2011, two prominent Pakistanis — Shahbaz Bhatti, a Catholic and Cabinet minister for minorities, and Salmaan Taseer, governor of Pakistan’s Punjab province — were assassinated for their criticism of the blasphemy law.

A Pakistani Embassy spokesman in Washington did not comment on the report.

On Afghanistan, the commission noted that compared with the brutal rule of the Taliban from 1996 to 2001, conditions for religious freedom have improved markedly.

“However, comparisons to the abusive actions of the Taliban provide an incomplete and misleading picture,” the report says. “Dissenting members of the majority faith and minority religious communities continue to face significant restrictions on the free practice of religion. Governmental and non-state actors have taken action against individuals for activity deemed to be ‘un-Islamic.’”

“In addition, the Afghan government remains unable to protect citizens against violence and intimidation by the Taliban and other armed groups,” it adds.

Moreover, the report says, Afghan President Hamid Karzai undercut the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission when he dismissed three of its nine commissioners in December 2011.

Janan Mosazai, a Foreign Ministry spokesman in Kabul, said the Afghan government is “fully committed to ensuring religious freedom for followers of all religions in Afghanistan, something our constitution is very clear about.”

“We also need to compare conditions in Afghanistan today with the suffering and brutality that people of all faiths were subjected throughout the 1990s — first during the civil war and then under the Taliban regime,” Mr. Mosazai said in an email.

In light of the withdrawal of most coalition combat troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, the commission recommended that the U.S. government increase and strengthen diplomatic, development and military engagement to promote human rights, especially religious freedom in the country.

Afghanistan is at a critical junction, Mr. Thames said.

“President Karzai’s recent call to crack down on ‘un-Islamic’ television programming demonstrates the tenuous nature of freedom of thought, conscience and religion,” he said. “To ensure the government does not adopt a Talibanesque system repressing independent thought, the United States should increase its promotion of human rights, especially religious freedom.”

The report recommends that the secretary of State redesignate Myanmar, China, Eritrea, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Uzbekistan as countries of particular concern.

In addition to Pakistan, six other countries — Egypt, Iraq, Nigeria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Vietnam — should be designated as countries of particular concern, it says.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby Nandu » 23 Oct 2015 01:43


Aid money has to be brought back.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby A_Gupta » 23 Oct 2015 04:11

http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2015/10/22/pa ... hter-jets/
Alyssa Ayres writes:
Usually it is difficult to assess a “what might have been” scenario for a country, for every place has its own unique situation and history. But the fact that Bangladesh, the East Wing of Pakistan until 1971, has charted out a different course in human development over the past forty-plus years offers the best opportunity to see a “living counterfactual”—the policies Pakistan could have chosen but did not. Pakistan continues to overinvest in the military and underinvest in the human development areas so crucial for creating a strong, healthy, productive society—and the end result shows up in lower development indicators in crucial areas.

The UN Human Development Index (HDI) tallies a great deal of data, and the comparison across several indicators for Bangladesh and Pakistan is instructive. In the comprehensive overall measure, the HDI ranking, Bangladesh comes in at 142, ahead of Pakistan’s 146. Those four places in the ranking mean the difference between coming in at the tail end of what the UN considers “medium human development” versus “low human development.” Pakistan is in the “low” category. In addition, in the female-to-male HDI ratio, Bangladesh comes closer to parity with a 0.91 ratio, compared with Pakistan’s 0.75. Other countries with a female-to-male HDI ratio below 0.8 include Yemen, Mali, and Central African Republic.

The literacy rate in Bangladesh is 57.7 percent, and in Pakistan 54.9 percent. Bangladeshis have a life expectancy of 70.7 years, compared with Pakistan’s 66.6 years. Bangladesh’s annual population growth is slower at 1.1 percent than Pakistan’s at 1.8 percent. Bangladesh’s maternal mortality ratio is close to Pakistan’s, with 240 compared with Pakistan’s 260 deaths per 100,000 live births. But Bangladeshi children are far more likely to survive beyond age five: Bangladesh’s under-five mortality rate is forty-one per 1,000 live births, and Pakistan’s is eighty-six. Both countries have a similar metric on under-five child stunting, so there is not a great gap there.

Apart from a couple similarities, all of these indicators paint a picture of Bangladesh as a country better educating its citizens, helping them live longer, helping ensure that children survive, and controlling population growth better.

Things become much more skewed in other metrics. Bangladesh devotes 3.7 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) to health, compared with Pakistan’s 2.5 percent. Alarmingly, Pakistan’s homicide rate, 7.8 per 100,000, is nearly triple Bangladesh’s 2.7. Pakistan’s homicide rate more closely resembles those of Bolivia or Zimbabwe, both at 7.7 per 100,000. Bangladeshi women are far more likely to bear children during the ages of fifteen to nineteen, with its adolescent birth rate at 88.7 percent compared with Pakistan’s 30.9 percent, but they are also far more likely to be in the workforce. Bangladesh’s female-to-male labor force participation rate is 0.681, compared with Pakistan’s 0.294.

Although its economy has been growing at or around 6 percent for much of the last twenty years, Bangladesh remains poorer on a per capita basis than Pakistan. GDP per capita in Bangladesh (2011 data in purchasing power parity terms) was $2,364 compared with Pakistan’s $4,360. This means that despite being poorer, Bangladesh has managed to notch up better development outcomes on most of the major metrics compared with Pakistan. Bangladesh started out far behind Pakistan, but has been closing the gap.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby jash_p » 23 Oct 2015 05:51

Is there is any Ganjobama official press release ?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby member_22733 » 23 Oct 2015 06:06

^^^ Based on the "we will give you F16 for urban combat against Taleeban" I think one possibility is the following:

Unkil does not want miniaturized low yield weapons that can be smaller than a car trunk (that is the ISIS + ISI smuggling nuke through Mexico threat).

So it can take two paths:
1) Ask Bakistan to stop it or to provide tracking data --- Ganja will be dead on arrival back in Bakistan if he ever signs that
2) So Massa will offer delivery platforms that will meet Bakistani "nukular" tactical calculus WITHOUT miniaturization.

Noises are pointing towards two, since there is no impact to Umrika if Bakistan nukes India. So they will sell Bakistan whatever they want in order to prevent them from miniaturizing.

Unkil, obviously, is dumb to think that they will not use this again and again... and also that they will no miniaturize because their requirements of being able to nuke India "on demand" have been met. Unkil has been taken for a ride, and will be taken for a ride again.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby Kashi » 23 Oct 2015 06:15

deejay wrote:My brother went there and spoke to some older gents who he thought would have seen the days under Pakistan. He specifically asked the following (not in exactly same words):
a) Do you remember the time Turtuk was with Pakistan?
- Yes.
b) Do you miss being with Pakistan?
- No.
c) Is the living situation better in India or was it better in Pakistan?
- Beta, relatives come from the other side to visit us. We give them our old woolens. Situation is very bad there. No one is happy there. No jobs, nothing. But a lot of trouble.


There is this article

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... nly-indian

Provides some interesting tid bits...

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby member_29172 » 23 Oct 2015 06:20

These are the pakis we need to pappi-jhappi with...

Balochistan: Community Leaders Call on Indian Government for Support

New Delhi: The demand for freedom of Balochistan from Pakistan is gaining momentum and the leaders of Baloch independence are looking up to the neighbouring India for moral and diplomatic support.

The leaders of Balochistan liberation movement, led by London based Hyrbyair Marri, have demanded that India should raise the brutality of Pakistan on international platforms such as United Nations the same way Pakistan has been raising Kashmir issue.

Talking to India TV correspondent Manish Jha, Baloch leader Balaach Purdili, who is currently in Delhi, said that if Pakistan can meet Kashmiri separatist leaders and endorse their demand, why can't India support Baloch leaders.

“Our request to India is for moral support and just like Pakistan meets Kashmiri separatist leaders India should also meet Baloch liberation movement leaders. Pakistan openly debates on Kashmir in its National Assembly. Why can India not do so about Balochistan?” Purduli said.

"India should raise human rights violations of Balochistan in UN. In operations since 2000, almost 19,000 people have been arrested or killed that include children and women,” Purduli said while pointing out gross basic human rights violations in Balochistan.

When asked if Baloch leaders want India to take up the cause of Balochistan, Purduli said that India should have a clear policy on Baluchistan just like Pakistan’s policy on Kashmir.

Baloch leaders hope that India will support their cause both morally and diplomatically. Purduli said that Baloch leaders based in London may try to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his upcoming UK visit and apprise him of the situation in the region.

Alleging that Pakistan is exploiting natural resources of Balochistan region and using it for the development of Punjab region while Baloch people are left to suffer, Purduli said, “Baloch does not get anything of its own resources. Anyone opposing the policy is being taken by the security forces and disposed off in desert or mountains.”


http://unpo.org/article/18649

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby Anujan » 23 Oct 2015 08:42

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/islamabad/ ... 63-outfits

Supreme Court (SC) of Pakistan has imposed a ban on 63 outfits and lift ban on Jamatud Dawa, Alkhter Trust and Al-Rashid Trust, says a report issued on Thursday in non-government organisation’s (NGOs) case.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... shid_Trust.

The Karachi based Al-Rashid Trust (ART) is one of the 27 groups and organisations listed by the US State Department on September 22, 2001, for involvement in financing and supporting a network of international Islamist terrorist groups. In response, the trust, on October 4, 2001, said that it would challenge the US decision in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at the Hague.

Al-Rashid Trust is reported to be one of Osama bin Laden’s many sources of income. It is closely linked with the Taliban as also with Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) and other terrorist outfits active in India’s J&K. The trust’s formation coincided with the Taliban capture of Afghanistan in 1996. Some of its members are alleged to have secured military training in Afghanistan. The ART and JeM are reported to share office spaces across Pakistan with a certain overlapping of cadre strength. Maulana Masood Azhar, JeM chief is a regular writer in the Zarb-e-Momin. The trust is reportedly incharge of the foreign funds of JeM. Mufti Rashid Ahmed is also reported to have appointed Masood Azhar as the Amir of Taliban in Jammu and Kashmir. Mufti Rashid was also instrumental in setting up JeM’s office near Usmani Masjid in Lahore and other places in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). The ART was initially linked with the Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA) before the formation of JeM. It is also reported to be linked to the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT). Al-Rashid is also suspected to have provided logistical support to the Taliban and the foreign mercenaries in Afghanistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby deejay » 23 Oct 2015 10:25

Kashi wrote:
There is this article

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... nly-indian

Provides some interesting tid bits...


Kashi ji, I will take this article with more than a pinch of salt:

People in Thang can’t help but envy the 24-hour electricity that lights the other side up, compared to their own rationed hours.


While the Pakis may have lit up the border for 24 hrs., it is a well known fact in Turtuk and adjoining areas that Indian Gov. has practically maintained the entire population in the area. 24 hrs electricity in border areas is a challenge for India, imagine Pakistan providing that with its electricity generation.

Similar doubts can be raised over issues like Visa difficulties etc mentioned because Visa difficulties change with political situation. They have certainly not been constant over 40 years.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby SSridhar » 23 Oct 2015 11:21

Anujan wrote:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/islamabad/16-Oct-2015/sc-imposes-ban-on-63-outfits
Supreme Court (SC) of Pakistan has imposed a ban on 63 outfits and lift ban on Jamatud Dawa, Alkhter Trust and Al-Rashid Trust, says a report issued on Thursday in non-government organisation’s (NGOs) case.

If this is indeed true, there can be and should be no peace dialogue between India and Pakistan. This flies directly in the face of the promise given by Nawaz Sharif to Obama last night.

The SC of Pakistan is legitimizing JuD and in turn LeT through its order. JuD is nothing but LeT. Period.

JuD was put on watch list by Govt. Of Pakistan in Nov. 2003. However, Pakistan has refused to freeze the bank accounts of JuD even under UN Resolution 1373 claiming it to be a charity organization. Finally, the UNSC banned JuD under resolution 1267 on Dec. 10, 2008. The earlier attempts to ban JuD at the UN were prevented by China at the instigation of Pakistan.

Al Rashed Trust was founded in circa 1996 by Mufti Rasheed Ahmed in Karachi. It was banned by the US for involvement in terror financing on Sep. 22, 2001. After January 12, 2002 ban by Musharraf, it moved its headquarteres to PoK because Musharraf's ban orders did not apply to PoK and FATA. This is now headed by Mufti Abdul Rahim. On April 15, 2010, the US State Deptt. imposed sanctions on Mufti Abdul Rahim. He was accused of supporting the Taliban. The trust was initially formed to help Muslims in Pakistan, but later expanded its activities to Kosovo, Chechenya and Afghanistan. The trust also acts as front end for Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM). It openly advertised for funds for the Mujahideen after the US bombings started in Oct. 2001. WSJ Journalist Daniel Pearl was incarcerated and murdered in a property belonging to Al Rasheed Trust in Karachi.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby SSridhar » 23 Oct 2015 11:45

Pakistan commits to act against LeT, Hafiz Saeed - Chidanand Rajghatta, ToI
Pakistan on Thursday committed to take "effective action against United Nations-designated terrorist individuals and entities, including Lashkar-e-Taiba and its affiliates, as per its international commitments and obligations," after Washington held its feet to the fire on the terrorism issue affecting India, while backing Islamabad's efforts to re-engage New Delhi.

The commitment, contained in a joint statement issued at the end of a meeting between President Obama and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, came after Islamabad persuaded Washington to press India for talks, including on border tensions. Any confidence-building measures and mechanisms to address these tensions should be on terms mutually acceptable to India and Pakistan, the statement said, effectively sticking to Washington's bilateral approach that abjures third party intervention or mediation. Pakistan has long been trying to internationalize the issue while seeking to blame India for the more recent incidents which New Delhi says is a result of Pakistan trying to infiltrate terrorists into India.

"The two leaders expressed concern over violence along the Line of Control, and noted their support for confidence-building measures and effective mechanisms that are acceptable to both parties," the joint statement said without adducing blame for the border tensions. In an oblique acknowledgement of Pakistan's allegations about Indian interference inside Pakistan, it added the two leaders "emphasized the importance of a sustained and resilient dialogue process between the two neighbours aimed at resolving all outstanding territorial and other disputes, including Kashmir, through peaceful means and working together to address mutual concerns of India and Pakistan regarding terrorism {This is different now in the wake of the Pakistani-supplied dossiers}."

It was in this context that Sharif apprised Obama of Pakistan's resolve to act against United Nations-designated terrorist individuals and entities, including Lashkar-e-Taiba and its affiliates, "as per its international commitments and obligations under UN Security Council resolutions and the Financial Action Task Force." India does not have any UN designated terrorists, and the commitment puts the spotlight squarely on LeT supremo Hafiz Saeed, a protege of the Pakistani military establishment. There has been no acknowledgement so far from Washington about the dossier Pakistan has reportedly given to the administration alleging Indian subversive activity inside Pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby RajeshA » 23 Oct 2015 12:57

There are some normally intelligent Indians who still like to differentiate between the Pakistani State and the Pakistani public, as if all the Jihadis and Faujis that Pakistan produces are all Somalian expats working as mercenaries in Pakistan.

If Pakistani public wants an environment of peace and dialogue and people-to-people contacts, they have to force the state not to sponsor terrorism in India. Period. Otherwise they too should be treated like pests and kept out of India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby Paul » 23 Oct 2015 14:08

Thanks for highlighting this; I have unfollowed him.

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Postby Kashi » 23 Oct 2015 14:20

deejay wrote:Kashi ji, I will take this article with more than a pinch of salt:

While the Pakis may have lit up the border for 24 hrs., it is a well known fact in Turtuk and adjoining areas that Indian Gov. has practically maintained the entire population in the area. 24 hrs electricity in border areas is a challenge for India, imagine Pakistan providing that with its electricity generation


Yes that was one of the flags for me..the article is part fact, part-fiction with plenty of exaggeration thrown in.

The part about 24 hour electricity was dead give away. When PoK (the visible region across Jammu) itself barely has any electricity, where would Turtuk region get any? Pakis have trouble lighting up Pakjab, let alone PoK.

Also that bit about universal education programme- given the abysmal literacy rates in Pakiland, the "success" if there for all to see.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby SSridhar » 23 Oct 2015 16:25

ISI attempt to stoke Khalistan embers? - Bharti Jain, ToI
As the Centre awaits a report from Punjab on the foreign linkages behind recent cases of desecration of Guru Granth Sahib, there are credible inputs with the intelligence agencies here to suggest that Pakistan's ISI may be plotting such incidents in its bid to revive the Khalistan insurgency in the state.

The "foreign hand" theory gained ground after the Punjab police, during their investigations, traced calls to Australia by two suspects arrested in the Faridkot sacrilege - Jaswinder Singh and Rupinder Singh. The police believes the funding for desecration incidents may have come from Australia and Dubai, which only confirms the agencies' long-held suspicion that ISI is working with pro-Khalistan elements in the Sikh diaspora to revive militancy in Punjab.

In fact, intelligence inputs generated less than a month ago indicated ISI officials in Pakistan had met terrorists from jihadi outfits like Lashkar-e-Taiba together with Sikh militants associated with Babbar Khalsa International (BKI) and Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF) remnants, to plot strikes in Punjab, Jammu & Kashmir and Delhi.

Nearly 15-20 terrorists who were trained by ISI, which also issued funds for the anti-India strikes, were acquainted with Sikh traditions and Gurmukhi script at Kartarpur Sahib, a gurudwara in Pakistan, with the help of KZF's Ranjit Singh. They were also briefed on the topography of Punjab.

Even the commemoration of Operation Bluestar anniversary earlier this year by hardline Sikh elements across the UK, France, Canada, Germany, Pakistan and Malaysia, etc, was noted with concern by Indian agencies. More recently, ISI officials had reportedly visited a gurudwara in Southall, London, to incite trouble ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's recent visit there

A senior intelligence official claimed that [b]ISI's mission to rekindle the embers of militancy in Punjab has been encouraged by the weakness of the state leadership and the churn in Punjab society
. An aging Parkash Singh Badal has slowed down, but Badal Junior, though an undisputed heir, is yet to emerge as an effective alternative. Also, the eight years of incumbency for the Badal regime, which also faces allegations of corruption, is a problem.

Observers say the Badals' "soft" attitude towards incarcerated Sikh militants, including those on the death row, has only emboldened radical elements.

On the larger societal plane, there has been a disarray among Jat Sikhs who have been the mainstay of Shiromani Akali Dal's support. As against this, the majhabis have been assertive and have been challenging the power structure. This is possibly giving an opening to trouble makers like ISI.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby manjgu » 23 Oct 2015 17:26

there is no 24 hr electricity in turtuk..i have stayed in turtuk for 3 weeks last year...there is elecrticity in the evening hours only... i know many folks in turtuk village including many elders who were born in pakistani turtuk... people are generally happy with india ...though what goes inside their hearts is hard to know...

the schoool kids did a awesome aug 15 independence day parade etc but the dance was done by boys only...

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby arun » 23 Oct 2015 19:48

X Posted from the “Oppression of Minorities In Pakistan” thread.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion based sectarian violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan sees demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan in a Mosque used by the minority Mohammadden Shia sect.

Looks like the “Strategic Asset” Non-State Actors created by the State Actors of the Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of the Islamic Republic to oppress the Baloch people have as it were gone off reservation for some private sport:

Ten killed as suicide bomber strikes imambargah in Balochistan

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby M Joshi » 23 Oct 2015 20:14

Ganja booed & heckled by Baloch freedom fighters in US.

Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif heckled during speech in United States

RAA agent spotted.
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Postby arun » 23 Oct 2015 20:21

manjgu wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1215087/bomb-targeting-muharram-procession-kills-ten-in-jacobabad



Death toll in this Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion based sectarian violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan targeting a religious procession taken out by members of minority Shia Mohammadden sect on the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday, has climbed to 16.

Further it is now being reported that this attack was a not merely a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan but rather a demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan:

16 mourners killed, 30 injured in Jacobabad suicide blast

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Postby member_26255 » 23 Oct 2015 20:26

arun wrote:
manjgu wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1215087/bomb-targeting-muharram-procession-kills-ten-in-jacobabad



Death toll in this Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion based sectarian violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan targeting a religious procession taken out by members of minority Shia Mohammadden sect on the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday, has climbed to 16.

Further it is now being reported that this attack was a not merely a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan but rather a demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan:

16 mourners killed, 30 injured in Jacobabad suicide blast



The count is 25+ as of now.

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Postby Falijee » 23 Oct 2015 21:25

M Joshi wrote:Ganja booed & heckled by Baloch freedom fighters in US.
Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif heckled during speech in United States
A man in the audience at the US Institute of Peace stood up and shouted "Free, Free Balochistan!" and accused the Pakistani prime minister of being "friends" with late al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, just as Sharif was starting a speech.
The Paki press,in the past, have carried news reports that OBL was financing Ganja Sharif's election campaign to oust late BB, with help from the Deep State , as NS was looked upon as being more sympathetic to the "Islamic cause" as compared to Benazir, who has always been suspected of being an "American agent ".

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Postby Falijee » 23 Oct 2015 21:42

Shiv Sena asks Pakistan to take the first step towards better ties with India
Dismissing Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's statement that Islamabad will take 'effective action' against terror groups, the Shiv Sena on Friday said it was a customary fake promise while asserting that if Pakistan wants to fix ties with India, then they will have to take the first step.
"They have been saying forever that terrorism including the LeT will be stopped and action will be taken on Hafeez Saeed and Dawood, but nothing has happened. This is because nothing is in Nawaz Sharif's hands. He is the Prime Minister but someone else in running the country. The government has no control over their military and the terrorist groups," Shiv Sena leader Sanjay Raut told ANI.
Expressed the sentiments of many in BRF
The Shiv Sena has been vehemently protesting against Pakistan by boycotting the entry of their nationals into the country saying that until Islamabad mends its terrorist activities and stops attacking India, there can be no ties between the nations in any way.
The United States had clearly mentioned earlier that Pakistan's relationship with India is critical to Islamabad's future while emphasised on trying to mend the hostile relations between the two countries.
Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is in the United States of America for a three day visit.

Message from Massa- in diplomatic language, NS is being told that they wont play the role of a third party broker as "begged" by Pakis.
What I dont understand , is that the "Deep State" who is pulling the levers re: India, Afghanistan, China, US policy, but ironically it is Ganja Sharif (dirty) job to " influence" US/ world public opinion in favour of Pakistan; I guess, he knows the realty, but he has no other choice, but to "pretend to be PM of Pakisatan" :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby Avinash R » 23 Oct 2015 22:14

AAP Hawala party has started a twitter trend #ProfileForPeace supporting bakistan

Some of the dhimmis who support the mawalis

https://twitter.com/CtrlShiftF5
https://twitter.com/VishalDadlani
https://twitter.com/rahis28
https://twitter.com/vikaskyogi

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Postby arun » 23 Oct 2015 22:16



Chidanand Rajghatta reports that the US has turned down the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s plea for intervening in India-Pakistan affairs rather promptly in a press briefing specifically for correspondents of India-based or India-centric media on the topic of the Islamic Republic’ Prime Minister's visit to the US:

Won't interfere, sort out issues with India bilaterally: US to Pakistan


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05,

Postby arun » 23 Oct 2015 22:28

The Islamic Republic Of Pakistan violates ceasefire, kills an Indian and injures 2 others.

I do hope our Security Forces will give the Islamic Republic a disproportionately robust responce which will be reflected in the body count, to this provocation :

One killed, 2 injured as Pakistan violates border ceasefire

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Postby Abhay_S » 23 Oct 2015 22:44

An Odd Tale of U.S.-Pakistani Ties - Mohammed Hanif, NY Times

KARACHI, Pakistan — When Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of Pakistan met President Obama this week, and both reaffirmed and reiterated everything that had been reaffirmed and reiterated many times before, I was reminded of America’s first attempt to win friends and influence people in Pakistan. In 1951, when Pakistan was merely four years old, some bright star in the United States Information Service got in touch with Saadat Hasan Manto, the legendary Pakistani short story writer and chronicler of partition with India. The officer proposed that Manto write something for the service. In past writings Manto had made fun of communists — including his own mentor, the seasonal revolutionary Bari Sahib — and that might have given the Americans the idea that he would be an ideal recruit for the cold war of ideas that was just beginning.


Manto, who was struggling to find his feet in the new country after a traumatic exit from a somewhat glamorous life in Bombay, said he could only write in Urdu. He was told that was not a problem. He said he would only write whatever he felt like writing. That too wasn’t an issue. They talked money. Manto was offered 500 rupees per piece. He was in considerable financial distress at the time, hounded by the censors and surviving on short stories he was selling for 25 rupees each. But he said the fees being offered were too high. They settled on 300 rupees per piece.

Manto’s first article, titled “Letter to Uncle Sam,” was a wildly irreverent account of the horrors of partition, the similarities between American and Pakistani censors and his admiration for American gangsters. The U.S. information officers didn’t know what to make of it and shelved it. But over the next three years Manto went on to write eight more letters.

Pakistan and the United States were on the verge of signing their first military agreement when Manto wrote his fourth letter in 1954. “India may grovel before you a million times,” he wrote, “but you will definitely make a military aid pact with Pakistan because you are really worried about the integrity of this largest Islamic sultanate of the world and why not, as our mullahs are the best antidote to Russia’s communism. If the military aid starts flowing, you should begin by arming the mullahs and dispatch vintage American (dry cleaning) stones, vintage American rosaries and vintage American prayer mats, with special attention to razors and scissors.” He added: “The purpose of military aid, as far as I understand it, is to arm these mullahs. I’m your Pakistani nephew, and I am aware of all your machinations. This heightened intelligence is all thanks to your politics. God save it from the evil eye.”

This was written more than 60 years ago. Since then U.S.-Pakistani military cooperation has armed more mullahs than Manto could have ever imagined.

When in the mid 1980s President Ronald Reagan feted Afghan mujahedeen leaders in the White House and praised them as defenders of liberty, Manto must have chuckled in his grave. In their quest to bring freedom to the world, the United States and Pakistani military establishments first armed the mujahedeen to fight the communists in Afghanistan. Then, Pakistan armed young mullahs to get rid of the older mujahedeen. Then, the United States and Pakistan bombed the mullahs into oblivion, only to find out there were always more. Now they accuse each other of arming the wrong mullahs. Meanwhile on the ground there is no one left to arm: A third generation of Afghans is growing up in refugee camps.


There is a slew of Pakistani generals who have gone to their graves claiming credit for the downfall of the Soviet Union and bringing freedom to the world. They never thought about bringing freedom to their own people. Hundreds of thousands of Pakistani tribals have been uprooted. By some accounts, every fourth child in the nation has never been to a school, and the children who have are not much better off.

The U.S.-Pakistan relationship has been as crudely transactional as can be. America has been saying, do more. Pakistan has been saying, pay more. And all those billions of dollars have only helped prop up the Pakistani military and a tiny elite that take America’s money while telling their people that America is enemy No. 1.

A few years ago the U.S. consulate in Karachi was planning to relocate near one of Karachi’s elite schools. Parents came out in the streets to protest, and the consulate had to move elsewhere. The parents’ desire to keep their children at a safe distance from something as hazardous as a U.S. government building is understandable. But they consider the school prestigious because so many of its students get into Ivy League universities. Some Pakistanis hate America so much they want to send their children there and want them never to come back.

Six decades ago, Manto wrote to Uncle Sam: “You will certainly ask me out of astonishment why my country is poor when it boasts of so many Packards, Buicks and Max Factor cosmetics. That is indeed so, uncle, but I will not answer your question because if you look into your heart, you will find the answer there (unless you have had your heart taken out by one of your brilliant surgeons).”

The latest U.S.-Pakistan talks reportedly were as much about democracy and infectious diseases as about which mullah to kill and which one to talk to. I hope Mr. Sharif bargained for less money. Like Manto. We remember Manto because of the stories he published, not because of what he was promised by America. There are no official records of his gig with U.S.I.S., but all the circumstantial evidence suggests he never even got his 300 rupees a letter.
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Postby Falijee » 23 Oct 2015 23:24

Maryam Sharif Milks Michell O. For $ 70 Million$70 million to be spent on Pakistani Girls’ Education-US
US to aid Pakistani Girl’s Education with $70 million – the official statement came on Thursday by States’ First Lady Michelle Obama.
“Building on Pakistan’s commitment to double education spending, the US will be investing $70 million to educate adolescent girls in Pakistan,”stated the First Lady at White House, Washington, D.C., while hosting an event for Kulsoom Nawaz, Prime Minister Nawaz Shareef’s wife. Maryum Nawaz, the premier’s daughter, also attended the occasion.

The American Elite also needs to be impressed.
The official statement specified that “Let Girls Learn in Pakistan”, the USAID’s programme, shall be providing $70 million to the on-going as well as the new USAID programmes. The programme aims at benefitting above 2 Lac young girls of age between 10 to 19 years.
“With this funding we’re going to be building more than a dozen schools and rehabilitating hundreds of others,” stated the first lady.
there were recent reports of "ghost schools" being erected in Pakiland; hope Ms Obama is aware of that
Mariam Nawaz extended her utmost appreciations to Michelle Obama for her constant backing in strongly building up Pakistan’s education sector.

The programme, Let Girls Learn, aims at supporting girl’s empowerment. This will promote girls opportunities in fostering public-private organization and cooperate with their partners in development. The programme objective is to provide with a social and political platform and thus a catalyst that will guarantee comprehensive commitments to strengthen young girl’s empowerment and education in Pakistan.
“Educated girls become women who strengthen their families, communities, and countries,” USAID Acting Administrator Alfonso E Lenhardt said.
How much of the amount will be skimmed of the top by Ganja and his cronies is anybody's guess :mrgreen:


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KARACHI: Governor House Sindh, located in Karachi, has received a threatening telephone call from India, sources said.According to sources, the caller threatened to blow up the Governor House with explosives.The officials have apprised the intelligence agencies regarding the situation, who have launched an investigation into the matter.Security has also been beefed up around the Governor House building, following the threatening call.


Governor House Sindh receives threatening call from India

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Postby Prem » 24 Oct 2015 02:15

De-Hotti Dance In DC

M Nawaz went on to say that Pakistan-India relationship poses the most difficult and urgent challenge.“A close and enduring partnership between Pakistan and the United States is a strategic imperative for achieving lasting peace and stability in our region and beyond.” ( Kya China Tumko pasand Nahi Aaya, Maan Nahi Bhaya Yaan Rokra nahi Aayya)The prime minister further said he has made sincere efforts to improve relations with neighbouring India but his efforts have not been reciprocated.He said the National Security Advisers' (NSA) level talks were scuttled by India's attempts to limit the talks to one issue and to dictate the program of Pakistan’s NSA in New Delhi.He added that the cancellation of NSA talks has been followed by increased ceasefire violations by India across the Line of Control (LoC) and the Working Boundary as well as a stream of hostile statements by the Indian political and military leadership.“Meanwhile, anti-Pakistan actions by Hindu extremists are exacerbating the present tensions in the region.”He said while refusing talks, India is engaged in a major arms buildup, regrettably with the active assistance of several powers.“It has adopted dangerous military doctrines. This will compel Pakistan to take several counter measures to preserve credible deterrence.”PM Sharif further said that he had told Afghan President Ashraf Ghani that Pakistan was prepared to help revive the Taliban talks, however, adding that, "We cannot bring the Taliban to the table and be asked to kill them at the same time."

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Postby Gagan » 24 Oct 2015 04:29

Wow, $70 million as aid, for a visit.
First I suspect the NGO will skim off 30% in first class air travel, and five star hotel stays to assess where & how the money is to be disbursed. Then the Pakistani Muslim League seniors will teach Mariyam how to skim off the bulk. In the end they will do some thing for the women in the region of Raiwind and the Sharif family constituencies.

It seems that the Pakistani leedaran understand that every foreign visit may not result in any gain for Pakistan, but will surely result in at least some million dollar in baksheesh, which will be poorly monitored and they as a family can skim it off.

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Postby Falijee » 24 Oct 2015 04:44

Jhujar wrote:
KARACHI: Governor House Sindh, located in Karachi, has received a threatening telephone call from India, sources said.According to sources, the caller threatened to blow up the Governor House with explosives.The officials have apprised the intelligence agencies regarding the situation, who have launched an investigation into the matter.Security has also been beefed up around the Governor House building, following the threatening call.

Governor House Sindh receives threatening call from India

Is it possible that , Omar Saeed Sheikh, the "famous" double/triple ISI agent, in jail for Daniel Pearl's murder,and also for arranging the financing of 9-11 is responsible for this gig, in the same way, that post 26/11, he was fingered for making a fake phone either to Isloo or New Delhi ( from his jail cell !) impersonating someone, and stoking up the tensions between the two countries. :mrgreen:

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Postby Falijee » 24 Oct 2015 04:58

So, Mohamed Hanif, the famous Paki author of A Case Of Exploding Mangoes , (Zia related ) got some moolah from the leading paper of US (New York Times ) and decided to tell some "basic realities" of his nation and US policy towards Pakistan to his American Readers. :mrgreen:

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Postby Falijee » 24 Oct 2015 05:26

Nawaz urges US to side with Pakistan against Indian aggression :roll:
WASHINGTON: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif urged the United States to take Pakistan's side in its long-standing dispute with rival nuclear power India or run the risk of escalating conflict.
"reve up" production of tactical nuclear weapons?
Speaking in Washington on Friday, a day after talks with US President Barack Obama, Nawaz said Pakistan was ready to help Afghanistan revive peace talks with Taliban rebels.
But he made it clear that his main priority was seeking international support to compel India to negotiate over the future of the disputed province of Kashmir.
So he still is "seeking world intervention" in a bi-lateral dispute !
The premier charged India of stepping up ceasefire violations across the Line of Control and Working Boundary.
“While refusing dialogue, India is engaged in a major arms buildup, regrettably with the active assistance of several powers,” he said, in an address to the US Institute for Peace.
“It has adopted dangerous military doctrines. This will compel Pakistan to take several countermeasures to preserve credible deterrence.”
The Deep State, is obviously "pulling the strings", behind the scene, and making him do the "dirty work" ( the "impossible work" of portraying a positive image of Pakistan )
At the White House on Thursday, Nawaz and Obama had agreed to help Afghanistan re-start peace talks that broke off in early August when it emerged that Taliban leader Mullah Omar had been dead for two years.
Pakistan has been accused of covertly supporting the Afghan Taliban in its guerrilla campaign against Kabul and allied Nato forces.
Not only accused, but proven guilty, as shown in the investigation conducted after the ISI "supervised" Kunduz attack.
Of far more importance, he suggested, was Islamabad's relationship with India, pressuring Washington not to continue pursuing warmer ties with his giant neighbour.
“There is no alternative for the two countries but to resume a comprehensive dialogue to resolve all outstanding issues, including the core issue of Jammu and Kashmir,” he said. :((
First discuss terrorism as was agreed upon in UFA, and then India will discuss "other" issues; should also be reminded that per Shimla agreement, there is no scope for third party intervention :mrgreen:


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