Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Sep 2015 23:24

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... 633842.ece

Indo-Pak tensions hold back the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) from taking up greater regional integration and connectivity, said Abdul Basit, Pakistan High Commissioner to India.
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Stating that there is a lack of understanding of Pakistan in India, he said there is a general feeling that Pakistan is a failed state.

“I am not saying there that we do not have problems. We are doing fine,” he added

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 10 Sep 2015 00:20

Pakistan set to sign 40-year lease for Gwadar port with Chinese company: officials

KARACHI: Pakistan is set to sign a 40-year-lease with a Chinese company to develop a massive special economic zone in the deep sea port of Gwadar, officials said Wednesday.

The contract assigning the 923 hectare (2300 acre) swathe of tax-exempt land to China Overseas Port Holding Company (COPHC) is likely to be signed this month or October, Dostain Khan Jamaldini, chief of the Gwadar Port Authority (GPA) told AFP

Pakistan is also raising a special security force of between 10,000 and 25,000 men to protect the port, which lies in the restive southwestern province of Balochistan which since 2004 has been roiled by a separatist insurgency.

Gwadar port was built in 2007 with technical help from Beijing as well as Chinese financial assistance of some $248 million.Well, it has taken Cwapistan Eight Years to find a Port Operator!

Cheers

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 10 Sep 2015 01:19

it is a military base. 7 years and 1 ship went to Gwadar. It doesnt have industries or catchment area - for which karachi is near.

Actually Singapore was the earlier port operator, especially because US didnt like having China in its rear for the supplies to afghanistan. The saaga can be read on wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwadar_Port

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 10 Sep 2015 01:38

So the chinese wont pay any tax. And Pakis are responsible for security. And the control of the land including port and around it is to be given to the chinese.
Is Pakistan getting anything out of it or acting like a condom again?

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Sep 2015 02:07

Pakistan may poison water bodies in Rajasthan: Military intelligence.

Inspite of being dependent on India for the smooth operation of Indus water treaty the vermins are planning this. Imagine the situation had the topographical equation between us been the opposite and Pakistan was the upper riparian and india dependent on them for getting water.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 10 Sep 2015 02:23

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports ... nt-happen/

So the only right thing for the BCCI to do is to cancel all India-Pakistan series until Pakis behave themselves with India.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Sep 2015 02:39

This may belong in the psy-ops thread:
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 116_1.html

India’s hands and feet are, however, tied behind its back, thanks to nuclear tests by the previous NDA government headed by Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The blasts burnished the macho image of the Bharatiya Janta Party but also allowed Pakistan to go nuclear, forever limiting India’s geostrategic options in the region.....

...In geostrategic terms, Indian bore all the financial and non-financial cost for becoming a declared nuclear power but it is Pakistan that is reaping all the rewards.

...All through 1980s and 90s, Pakistan was spending around a third of its government budget and 5-6% of its GDP on defence, or about twice the corresponding ratios for India.

After going nuclear, Pakistan’s defence spending decelerated and its share in GDP is expected to be decline to around 2.5% in the current fiscal year, slightly ahead of India’s 2%.

This last is wrong:
http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/pakistan ... -spending/

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Sep 2015 02:46

PCB may fire its employees if series with India doesn't happen: Shahryar Khan.

Were't this people claiming just couple of days back that It is OK , pakistan can survive without playing India.

Also that they have more "raw talent" in cricket then india.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 10 Sep 2015 03:04

Strong earthquake jolts Islamabad, parts of K-P
An strong earthquake jolted Islamabad along with north-western parts of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa early on Thursday morning, Express News reported.

According to the meteorological department, the earthquake, measuring 5.5 on the Ricther scale, was felt in the federal capital Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Peshawar, Abbottabad, Chitral and other mountainous regions.

According to the United States Geological Survey (USGS), the epicentre of the earthquake was just 36 kilometers north east of Hindu Kush region, Afghanistan at a depth of 93km.

However, there was no immediate reports of any loss of life or property.
Cheers

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Sep 2015 03:16

Vipul wrote:PCB may fire its employees if series with India doesn't happen: Shahryar Khan.

Were't this people claiming just couple of days back that It is OK , pakistan can survive without playing India.
Also that they have more "raw talent" in cricket then india.

That's a threat! What he means is if India doesn't play with Pakistan, PCB will fire employees and the poor and unemployed former PCB employees (like retired military officials) will go rogue and hatch a plan in Arabian sea (international waters) to travel by boat to Mumbai packed with lots of dry fruits with the intention of joining BCCI.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Sep 2015 03:20

A_Gupta wrote:This may belong in the psy-ops thread:
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 116_1.html

India’s hands and feet are, however, tied behind its back, thanks to nuclear tests by the previous NDA government headed by Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The blasts burnished the macho image of the Bharatiya Janta Party but also allowed Pakistan to go nuclear, forever limiting India’s geostrategic options in the region.

Yes, India tested the bomb and Pakistan developed one and tested it within 7 days and went nuclear.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Sep 2015 03:33

A_Gupta wrote:This may belong in the psy-ops thread:
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 116_1.html

India’s hands and feet are, however, tied behind its back, thanks to nuclear tests by the previous NDA government headed by Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The blasts burnished the macho image of the Bharatiya Janta Party but also allowed Pakistan to go nuclear, forever limiting India’s geostrategic options in the region.....

...In geostrategic terms, Indian bore all the financial and non-financial cost for becoming a declared nuclear power but it is Pakistan that is reaping all the rewards.

...All through 1980s and 90s, Pakistan was spending around a third of its government budget and 5-6% of its GDP on defence, or about twice the corresponding ratios for India.

After going nuclear, Pakistan’s defence spending decelerated and its share in GDP is expected to be decline to around 2.5% in the current fiscal year, slightly ahead of India’s 2%.
This last is wrong:
http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/pakistan ... -spending/

The notion that India "provoked" pakistan into testing nukes in 1998, hence limiting its own strategic options, is nonsense of the kind that goes unquestioned only in Indian circles.

It would imply that Pakistan went from mere capacity or potential to a testable weapon in about 2 weeks.

There is historical record that strongly suggests that India's tests were a response to an overt nuke threat from pakistan in the early 1990s. This is also corroborated by Abdul Kalam's words after Pokhran 2:"the nuclear threat to India has been vacated."

Here is Shekhar Gupta's account of Pakistan's nuclear threat, mentioned as a part of his obituary of late PM I.K. Gujral. Mods may consider including it at thread-start, under "Understanding Pakistan."

(Here is the link to the Hersh article that Gupta references On the Nuclear Edge)

National Interest: Accidentally, in history

THERE was one significant and scary juncture in India's foreign policy under his charge that he has left unexplained. In fact, the eternal debate is about just how scary that moment was. It was during V.P. Singh's government in the summer of 1990, when India and Pakistan came close to war over Kashmir. Benazir Bhutto, feeling pressured by her army, was making speeches of the kind that would make Hafiz Saeed look relatively moderate. She was threatening to cut Jagmohan, then governor of Kashmir, into little pieces: jag-jag, mo-mo, han-han, she said making chopping motions from one hand on the other arm at a Muzaffarabad rally. She repeated her late father's favourite rant of waging a 1,000-year war against India. V.P. Singh responded in Parliament by asking if Pakistan would last 1,000 hours. It's an aside, but I made a semi-facetious calculation in India Today (in partnership with defence expert Ravi Rikhye) to show how expensive a 1,000-hour (nearly 45-day) war would be, and even if India won decisively, how little it would achieve. But this story really opened up much later.

First, Seymour Hersh claimed ("On the Nuclear Edge", The New Yorker, March 29, 1993) that Pakistan had indeed threatened to start that war with a nuclear attack against India and that threat had been conveyed to South Block by Bob Gates, then deputy national security advisor, who was the US president's emissary to the subcontinent. This was immediately denied. But a much more detailed description of those perilous days appeared in a subsequent book (Critical Mass: The Dangerous Race for Superweapons in a Fragmenting World, William E. Burrows and Robert Windrem, Simon & Schuster, 1994). Again, there were denials. But now they sounded thin.

The story, that Gates brought the warning to New Delhi, was never conclusively established. But at one point, many years later, after a great deal of cajoling and pleading, Gujral admitted to having had a curious conversation with his Pakistani counterpart Sahibzada Yakub Khan. Sahibzada had come to India ostensibly to defuse tensions. But he said, as they walked down the South Block corridor, "Gujral sahib, this will not be like any of the decent, clean wars we have fought in the past. Your rivers, mountains, cities, will all be on fire, a fire of the kind you cannot imagine, and on the first day itself." Gujral admitted he was taken aback. But he said he gathered his wits and replied: "Aisi baatein na karein toh achcha hai, Yakub sahib... kyunki humne bhi unheen daryaon ka paani piya hai jinka aapne..." The closest translation would be, keep these threats to yourself, because you will be paid back in kind.

I did persist with researching this over the years. That the Pakistanis threatened to begin the war with a nuclear attack is a fact. It is, truly, the first example of a nuclear blackmail. Did it work? That question is not fully answered yet. The one key witness who was most directly in the picture, Air Chief Marshal S.K. "Polly" Mehra, was the most forthcoming. He confirmed the threat and recounted how he was called by V.P. Singh and nervously asked, in front of Gujral, if he could prevent a Pakistani plane from delivering that "bomb". Mehra said no air force could guarantee that. He could reasonably make sure, though, that the intruder wouldn't go back. But, if such a thing happened, we need to retaliate, he said, and then asked an important question: "If the IAF has to deliver something in retaliation, can we at least see what it looks like? We can then figure out on which platform to put it, and how to deliver it. What are its aerodynamics, and so on." Mehra said while this conversation was on, he saw Gujral in some sort of a panic, almost sprinting in and out of the room carrying fresh sheets of paper, obviously cables of some kind, and showing them to V.P. Singh. This much I was able to confirm with V.P. Singh himself, on the record. The implicit, and shocking story is, that if India did have a credible, deliverable deterrent then, its armed forces had not even seen it. More likely, India did not. We can say with certainty that this is when India finally dropped all notions of nuclear ambiguity and embarked on full-fledged weaponisation. Whether the Pakistani nuclear blackmail then worked, whether it intimidated V.P. Singh's truly weak government, and if so, into what, is what we do not yet know. It is one of the most important questions Gujral has left unanswered.

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Sep 2015 03:45

Kuldip Nayar's account of his interview with AQ Khan:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 726051.cms

NEW DELHI: Pakistan may have had a nuclear bomb well before it was thought to have until now. Pakistan's nuclear scientist and father of the bomb A Q Khan had admitted before senior Indian journalist Kuldip Nayar in 1987 that Islamabad already had the bomb.

Nayar has now made the disclosure in his autobiography, Beyond The Lines, saying that he tricked Khan into admitting it. Perhaps more importantly, Khan also told Nayar that Pakistan did not need to explode a nuclear device to test its bomb and that it had carried out the test in a laboratory.

``Tell them we have it, we have it,'' a furious Khan told Nayar pounding his hand on the table, says the book. Beyond The Lines recounts that the author tricked Khan into admitting it by concocting a story that, before coming to Pakistan, he ran into Dr Homi Sethna, the father of India's nuclear bomb, who asked Nayar why he was wasting time by going to meet him because Pakistan had neither the human resource nor the material to make such a weapon. Khan even claimed in the meeting that Pakistan's bomb was larger than the one India had exploded in Rajasthan on May 18, 1974.

Nayar says he followed up Khan's disclosure with the remark that it was easy to make such a claim, but it needed to be corroborated. Khan said that they had already tested the bomb in their laboratory. "Haven't you heard of a prototype plane flying with the help of a simulator? We do not have to explode a nuclear bomb to ascertain its potency. Sensitive and advanced instruments in a laboratory can show the scale of the explosion. We are satisfied with the results,'' Khan had responded. Officially at least, Pakistan had carried out its first nuclear test in 1998, immediately after India tested nuclear device for the second time in Pokhran.

When prodded further about Pakistan's secrecy about the bomb, Khan had retorted, "Is it necessary? America has threatened to cut off all its aid.''

"The US is aware that Pakistan has a nuclear bomb," he had said, adding, "and what the CIA has been saying about our possessing a nuclear bomb is correct as are the speculations in the foreign media."

Nayar recalls that Khan made no pretence that Pakistan's nuclear programme was for peaceful purposes. "The word 'peaceful' associated with the nuclear programme is humbug. There is no 'peaceful bomb'. Once you knew how to make reactors, how to produce the plutonium, all of which Pakistan has mastered, it became easy to produce a nuclear bomb."

The veteran journalist says that he met Khan through the editor of an Islamabad daily. Describing Khan, he says that he had heard that the nuclear scientist was full of himself, and after meeting him he realized the depiction fitted him to a tee.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Sep 2015 03:55

ACM SK Mehra saab was quite known to BRF bay Area members when he visited Stan madrassa and worked on his ides of Command and Control. Some of us interacted with him.

I asked how he knew if the maal would work if it was dropped. He said he had good educated (Phd level) officers whom he sent over to go over the entire design and come back and tell him.

He was truly the first commanding officer of the deterrent and acted like one.

An aside he told me he was 17 when he joined the IAF by overstating his age. His first posting was to some remote training air strip near Warangal.....

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Sep 2015 04:12

sudhan wrote:The old blithering Asshat is at it again..

Ex-Indian minister urges Pakistan, India to hold talks

Barf worthy quotes:

“There are miscreants who use Pakistani soil for carrying out act of terrorism both inside and elsewhere. This should be recognised along with the fact that Pakistan had been the prime victim of terrorism in the region as thousands of its citizens have lost their lives in terrorism incidents,” said Mr Aiyar.

Scary to imagine the damage he caused to Indian interest and assets when posted in TSP embassy!!

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Sep 2015 05:29

Pakistan should accept that its soil is being used for terrorism.

What the asshole is indirectly saying is that the Pakistani soil is being used for terrorism by non-state actors and trying to hide the fact that terrorism is used actively/intentionally as a state policy by the ruling politicians/armed forces to wage cross border attacks on India.

Anti-dharmic and congressi chamcha of the gandhi family Aiyar said Foreign policy cannot be left to a policeman like Ajit Doval and The same thing is said by his Cambridge batch mate Kasuri - Watch 6:00 onwards).

So Aiyar in effect is drafting press statements for and guiding the pakistani foreign office to criticize India.

Interesting thing to note is when Aiyar was appointed as consul general in Karachi, he stayed in Kasuri's house for the first 2-3 months. Thing to research now will be to see if any of Madame Mazari's girls were employed in Kasauri's house as house or office staff or if Aiyar and Kasuri had different (and same) orientation.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Sep 2015 06:00

Former chai-wallah and former policeman are much, much, much better than these Congressi people.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 10 Sep 2015 06:03

^^ Scary to think how many of India's national interests were subverted by these jerks.

Pulikeshi · Post by **Pulikeshi** » 10 Sep 2015 06:10

A_Gupta wrote:Former chai-wallah and former policeman are much, much, much better than these Congressi people.

Many-Tinkle Aieeeyar should be induced to name more folks with 'tasteless' nicknames -
every one of them seem to be succeeding!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Sep 2015 06:12

A_Gupta wrote:This may belong in the psy-ops thread:
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 116_1.html

The guy who wrote the above article is a reporter who normally reports about performances of companies etc. One wonders why he suddenly got an urge to dive into the deep end of the swimming pool and make a complete fool of himself.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Sep 2015 06:29

^^^ SSridhar, I think that there is a concerted media campaign against the NaMo government and India, and favorable to Pakistan {may be two independent but simultaneous efforts} in the run up to PM Modi's visit to the US around September 25-27. Some examples are on the psy-ops thread. If this is not Krishna Kant's normal beat, then he must be a lifafa journalist, and that article belongs in the psy-ops thread, what else can one say?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Sep 2015 06:31

The army rules over Nawaz Sharif - G.Parthasarathy, BusinessLine

Nawaz Sharif seems fated to have an adversarial relationship with his army chiefs. He was first elected to office in 1990, heading an army/ISI-backed alliance of Islamist parties, but he was soon at loggerheads with his army chief, General Asif Nawaz, who died under mysterious circumstances. General Asif’s successor, General Waheed Kakar, duly sacked Sharif in 1993.

In his second term, Nawaz chose to force his soft-spoken and professionally respected army chief, General Jehangir Karamat, to quit. He then superseded several senior generals and appointed a ‘Muhajir’, Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf was joined by Sharif in leading Pakistan to disaster and diplomatic disgrace, following an ignominious defeat in the Kargil conflict. In the blame game and melodrama that followed, Musharraf overthrew, incarcerated and exiled Sharif.

The haunting persists

Sharif’s woes with the army and its chiefs continue to haunt him even in his third term. In November 2013, he bypassed and sidelined two senior and highly regarded officers including General Rashad Mehmood, whom he appointed to the largely ceremonial post of chairman of the joint chiefs of staff committee. He then appointed General Raheel Sharif, who had a pretty ordinary service record, as army chief.

Nawaz again erred grievously in his assessment. He ignored the fact that General Sharif had been a long-term crony of his bête noire, Pervez Musharraf, against whom he had then initiated criminal charges. General Sharif’s elder brother, who was a highly decorated officer, was killed during the Bangladesh conflict in 1971. He was one of Musharraf’s closest buddies. Raheel Sharif received no end of patronage, to rise to highest ranks, largely thanks to Musharraf.

After assuming office, General Sharif has seriously undermined Nawaz Sharif’s image, credibility and power, both in domestic affairs, and in foreign and security policies. He started by sending word that the army would not tolerate any arrest, or detention of Musharraf. A terrified Supreme Court and a chastened Nawaz duly complied. This was followed by clear messages to Nawaz that he should not seek closer trade relations with India, or meet Pakistan’s desperate energy needs by getting electricity from India.

General Sharif also took charge of Afghanistan policy and even got the ever-obliging President Ashraf Ghani to call on him at the headquarters in Rawalpindi, during a state visit to Pakistan. Raheel Sharif deals with the Afghan president and others as though he is a parallel head of government.

State within a state

General Sharif has has totally marginalised the Nawaz government even within Pakistan. The army launched the Zarb-e-Azb operations against the Tehrik-i-Taliban, without formal government and parliamentary approval. These operations have rendered more than one million Pashtuns homeless and led to cross-border shootouts, across the Durand Line. It was Raheel Sharif who also turned down Saudi requests for assistance in Yemen and got the Pakistan parliament to rubber stamp what he wanted.

The army is now acting like a state within a state in Baluchistan, where it ignores the orders of the Supreme Court to produce the “missing” persons it had detained. In Karachi, it has become a law unto itself by getting the paramilitary Rangers to clamp down on the MQM. It has even launched an anti-corruption drive against the PPP by arresting a close Zardari confidante and aide, Asim Hussain. Worse still, the defence minister, Khawaja Asif, and former environment minister, Muhammad Ullah, openly accused former ISI chiefs Lt-Generals Shuja Pasha and Zaheer-ul Islam of attempting to undermine the Nawaz Sharif government by backing the anti-government agitation by Imran Khan’s Tehreek-e-Insaf party. Imran Khan’s former deputy, Javed Hashmi, has alleged that the then ISI chief, Shuja Nawaz, actually told Imran’s supporters in Islamabad to “surround and drag Nawaz Sharif out of his residence”.

It should have been obvious to New Delhi that the NSA level talks on terrorism were going to achieve nothing, as the Pakistan NSA has no say on the terror that the Pakistan army unleashes within and beyond Pakistan’s borders.

The strategy should, therefore, have been to not yield, either on the agenda of talks or on meetings with the Hurriyat, without giving Pakistan a chance to scuttle the talks and blame New Delhi. Pakistan’s policy, to which we have wrongly acquiesced in the past, is to tell the world that the Hurriyat Conference is the sole, authentic representative of the people of Jammu and Kashmir, and that the elected government in Srinagar is merely an unrepresentative puppet of India. Allowing Pakistan to use visits by its leaders to India to achieve this aim by their meeting the Hurriyat leadership and not the State’s elected leaders, was a grave folly.

India’s mistake

The fundamental mistake that New Delhi initially made in dealing with the meeting of NSAs was to seek an agenda from Pakistan, instead of just saying that talks would be held according to the provisions of the Ufa agreement. Sartaj Aziz would obviously have raised the issue of Jammu and Kashmir. He could have been told that we would not respond, as the item was not on the agenda.

We could have added that the whole of Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India, as enunciated in the unanimous parliamentary resolution of 1994. Likewise, after voicing our objections to a meeting of Sartaj Aziz with the Hurriyat, all that needed to be done was to slap detention orders on the Hurriyat leaders while they were in Delhi, after the arrival of Sartaj Aziz. He could surely have not called off talks after landing in New Delhi! {I do not agree with that. If the intention is to send a clear message that the Hurriyat is not recognized as the representative of Kashmiris and stop that vile practice once and for all, 'no meeting' must be made the central point, not merely arresting the Hurriyat leaders and somehow preventing their meeting. Second rung leaders would then have met Sartaj Aziz and claimed that the meeting took place}

Nawaz Sharif is today a “lame duck” prime minister, incapable of independent decision-making, not just on issues such as terrorism, infiltration and Jammu and Kashmir, but even on issues such as trade, energy, connectivity and economic cooperation. Serious issues like terrorism and cross-border infiltration can only be addressed by the Pakistan army, in meetings between DGMOs, at which officials of the ministry of external affairs and intelligence agencies would participate. The DGMO meetings should be institutionalised. General Raheel Sharif can then be reminded regularly of his mentor Pervez Musharraf’s assurance that “territory under Pakistan’s control” would not be used for “terrorism against India”.

In the meantime, New Delhi’s response to infiltration and cross-border terrorism will have to be increasingly robust, as it was, prior to the ceasefire in 2003.

The writer is a former High Commissioner to Pakistan

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 10 Sep 2015 08:31

partha wrote:Kuldip Nayar's account of his interview with AQ Khan:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 726051.cms

... and in return, Xerox Khan tried to sell Kuldip Nayar a 'Made in Pakistan' white & black atim bum, with instructions!

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 10 Sep 2015 09:12

After the CPEC corridor, another corridor with their TFTA mai baap

Iqbal also proposed a United States (US)-Pakistan knowledge corridor, which would allow Pakistan to benefit from the high quality science and technology education available in US universities. {shameless Bakis only think of what they can take, and not what they can contribute}

“It is unfortunate that despite being a strategic partner, Pakistan was not given preferential treatment in terms of its students availing higher education opportunities in US universities,” he said.

Speakers at a subsequent panel at the conference discussed the reasons behind the stable economic growth enjoyed by countries such as Japan, South Korea, and Germany, despite the countries’ devastation due to war. (I guess SK and Germany don't keep emphasizing 'atimi takat',jihad and waging 1000 year wars}

The panel highlighted how, in the 1950s when the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of South Korea was less than Pakistan’s, their literacy rate was 62 per cent – something Pakistan has yet to achieve. {one more Pakistani urban myths propagated down generations of how Bakistan was more advanced than SK

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Sep 2015 10:09

Good News for Paki , India will use hundreds of these machines to dig canals and divert water from rivers in North flowing toward Paki wasteland. This machine does 3-5km a day and India has ordered hundreds of them to divert water from Kashmir to Bangalore Kerala within couple of months.

Nirantar · Post by **Nirantar** » 10 Sep 2015 10:28

Pakis, every other day, keep farting their Atim Bum claims. To call this bluff, Indian govt, if wants, can easily put these scum to their places:-
1. Increase our N stockpile to 1000 with 500 covering major strategic targets in TSP and ready to launch. The latter part should be publicized as much as possible.
2. The N doctorine to clearly state that, though No First Use, but the second strike will guarantee the complete annihilation of the first user from the face of the earth. No second thought.
3. Every now and then, Indian diplomats, Army gernails should keep raising their BP by giving 'ungli' just like Gen Suhag did. Each time they will parrot the same line that they have bum, will do this and that, the world and their own public / press will slowly stop taking these useless threats seriously. Will make them look like a joke on such childish statements. Also Indian press/diplomats should keep referring them to a weblink to our N Doctorine.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Sep 2015 10:29

Nicely timed article by Indian origin Sudarsan Raghavan who is the Washington Post’s Kabul Bureau Chief on the subject of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan forcibly driving away fellow Mohammadden Pathan / Pushtun refugees.

Instead of helping refugees, Pakistan is pushing them into a war zone

Nicely timed as just yesterday there was a news item in the Express Tribune about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Ambassador to the UN, the academic research plagiarising Maleeha Lodhi (Clicky), delivering a sanctimonious speech in the UN urging the global community not to do what the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is doing and “take immediate action to deal with the growing crisis of forced migration” :

Pakistan calls for urgent action to deal with forced migration

Meanwhile speaking of the gross hypocrisy of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the issue of “Forced Migration”, I am posting a July 2014 article by Express Tribune reporting on the military operation Zarb e Azb conducted by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic causing the forced migration of a million fellow Mohammadden Pathan’s from occupied North Waziristan Agency:

1 million IDPs and counting

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Sep 2015 10:36

Pakistan violates ceasefire in Poonch - PTI

This, while the DGMOs are meeting.

There was no let up in ceasefire violations by Pakistani troops as they once again resorted to unprovoked firing from across the Line of Control (LoC) along Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir, forcing Indian troops to retaliate.

"Pakistani troops resorted to unprovoked ceasefire violations in Bhimber Gali sector of Poonch district last evening," Jammu-based defence spokesperson Lt Col Manish Mehta said today, adding that "no casualty or damage was reported".

"The area witnessed ceasefire violations by Pakistan army between 7 PM and 9 PM," he added.

Forward posts maintained by Pakistan fired towards the Indian side using automatic weapons and heavy machine guns.

"Our side retaliated appropriately but no casualty or damage was reported," Mehta said.

Pakistani troops have already violated the ceasefire 10 times in September this year.

Unprovoked firing by Pakistani troops yesterday on Indian forward positions in the Nowgam sector of north Kashmir's Kupwara district had left two BSF jawans injured.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Sep 2015 10:38

^^^ DG's not DGMO's.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Sep 2015 11:57

arun, thanks for correcting. You are right.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 10 Sep 2015 15:23

Jhujar wrote:Good News for Paki , India will use hundreds of these machines to dig canals and divert water from rivers in North flowing toward Paki wasteland. This machine does 3-5km a day and India has ordered hundreds of them to divert water from Kashmir to Bangalore Kerala within couple of months.

Is it in India Saar? Never saw anything like that.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Sep 2015 15:43

The machines are American: GOMACO:
http://www.gomaco.com/index.html
Here's a story about its use in Turkey: http://www.supplypost.com/articles/2013 ... ern-turkey

GOMACO in Indore, 2008: https://www.gomaco.com/Resources/worlds ... goyal.html

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 10 Sep 2015 16:01

Pakstan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Shahryar Khan said on Thursday if India does not confirm the series, the board is likely to cut expenditures to remain financially stable.

You Kuffar Yindus you are culprit of increasing number of Jehadis. How can you say no to play murd a momin team. You see, so many poor are loosing jobs and they will take up arms with ISIS. UN, US, and ICJ should take notice of it.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Sep 2015 18:48

attention attention
Achtung bitte!

there have been complaints to the web hosting co of BRF about certain posts in this thread that have racist and sexual overtones.

so I would ask all users to go easy on the crude jokes, pingreji and stick to news of which there is anyways too much.

its very tough for mods to filter such huge threads for content, its better users exercise their good judgement

I have removed one or two that i could find

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Sep 2015 19:55

And to add to GD's achtung, please report such posts and help out mods.
Thanks, ramana

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Sep 2015 20:15

Good lord. Its going to be really really tough to observe restrain on this dhaga. This is practically a sanctuary for nationalist to vent out their anger.

Will try to cope.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Sep 2015 20:21

Not really. This is about TSP news and discussion. We have BENIS for humor and lot of other threads to vent.

All we are asking is to keep the language non-BENIS/Pingreji here.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 10 Sep 2015 21:07

I follow this thread quite religiously. But I know better than to interpret news developments with my own take on it. S.Sridhar knows a lot more than I do.Certainly not to the point that I can offer a comment. Just to lighten the mood, a joke from the autobiography of Rev Shepherd, the English Cricket test umpire. It was called the Parson's Tale. He recounts the tale where in a county match he was fielding at cover point. The batsman drove hard at a ball which Rev Shepherd let it go through between his legs for a four. Truman wasnt amused. Shepherd apologised saying, "Soory Fred, I should have closed my legs". Truman said, "Not you Father, Your Mother".

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 10 Sep 2015 21:08

‘Pakistan poised to rank among top 25 economies by 2025’

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Planning, Development and Reform Ahsan Iqbal said on Wednesday that Pakistan possessed the attributes of an advancing nation, and was well-positioned to rank among the world’s top 25 economies by 2025. [*]

[*] Note the quotation marks in the farticle's

headline; this is what passes for "serious news" in Pakiland; like similar "boasts", this too will be not be taken seriously and quietly forgotten (like Ganja Sharif's recent "innocent" disclosure, just the other day " that Paki nuclear deterrent not aimed at anyone "; as I have maintained before, the foundation of this artificial entity is based on deliberate lies and "boasting" )

The first step, if you want to join the ranks of the "top 25", is to get your own house in order and then get a proper census done, which on one pretext or the other is being avoided

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 10 Sep 2015 21:11

Qui Bono??
Did some grand old political party in India consider this forum to be a threat to "Idea of India"??