The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

[Satya_anveshi]

Full text of joint communique on Syria talks in Vienna

TEXT:

Meeting in Vienna, on October 30, 2015, China, Egypt, the EU, France, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Jordan, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United Nations, and the United States [“the participants”] came together to discuss the grave situation in Syria and how to bring about an end to the violence as soon as possible.

The participants had a frank and constructive discussion, covering major issues. While substantial differences remain among the participants, they reached a mutual understanding on the following:

1. Syria’s unity, independence, territorial integrity, and secular character are fundamental. { This is a big dampner for Israeli/US/GCC plan of dissolving Syria and split the war booty}

2. State institutions will remain intact. { this is good if not managed properly will be used to isolate Assad within his current institutions. All institutions will remain intact is supposed to make the institutional leaders demotivated to support Assad and even support Assad's enemies

3. The rights of all Syrians, regardless of ethnicity or religious denomination, must be protected. { This is counter to #2 to provide leverage to Assad and bring rebels to the govt side }

4. It is imperative to accelerate all diplomatic efforts to end the war. {yeah it took a good whooping to remind everyone of the need to talk }

5. Humanitarian access will be ensured throughout the territory of Syria, and the participants will increase support for internally displaced persons, refugees, and their host countries.{ this will work in govt administered area and opens possibility for western spying. This will not work for terrorist controlled areas.}

6. Da’esh (Islamic State), and other terrorist groups, as designated by the U.N. Security Council, and further, as agreed by the participants, must be defeated. { you defeat, we promote, you keep busy }

7. Pursuant to the 2012 Geneva Communique and U.N. Security Council Resolution 2118, the participants invited the U.N. to convene representatives of the Government of Syria and the Syrian opposition for a political process leading to credible, inclusive, non-sectarian governance, followed by a new constitution and elections. These elections must be administered under U.N. supervision to the satisfaction of the governance and to the highest international standards of transparency and accountability, free and fair, with all Syrians, including the diaspora, eligible to participate. { 1948 plebiscite type tactic }

8. This political process will be Syrian led and Syrian owned, and the Syrian people will decide the future of Syria.{ conveniently pushed down to #8 of 9 points; shows how important it is; does it not contradict #7? }

9. The participants together with the United Nations will explore modalities for, and implementation of, a nationwide ceasefire to be initiated on a date certain and in parallel with this renewed political process. { To get to this, Putin needs to continue the whooping; given ISIL has 25-50k fighters it will take long }

[Frederic]

Satya Anveshi, thnks for the links. I am an avid follower of this thread.

[UlanBatori]

Now France to deploy aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle to Syria. Looks like return of Gun Boat diplomacy.

Supplies of Le Champagne might be running dry, plus they need fast access to their Pot de Chambre when they see the Russkies.

I hope they don't surrender Le Carrier d'avions Charles de Gaulle to the Da'esh.

[UlanBatori]

Update: La Marine Nationale goes to Le Guerre

Only two known strikes have been carried out by France in Syria, targeting an Islamic State training camp in the east of the country at the end of September.

The Charles de Gaulle carrier is usually accompanied by several frigates, a refuelling ship, 5 Cuisine ships, 12 Wine ships, an attack submarine, and a large supply of white flags, according to Reuters.

The aircraft carrier can hold up to 40 aircraft and support 100 flights a day - 1 towards the enemy and 99 away if they say "BOO!"

[UlanBatori]

Yahoo.com

Beirut (AFP) - Mustard gas was used during summer fighting in Syria but it was not clear by whom, the global chemical weapons watchdog said Thursday, while jihadists seized a key town from regime forces.
The deadly gas was used in the flashpoint town of Marea in the northern province of Aleppo on August 21, a source from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) told AFP.
"We have determined the facts, but we have not determined who was responsible," the source said. (IOW, it's either Turkey or Saudi Arabia or both)
Allegations that jihadist militants have been using chemical arms have been increasing in recent months in both Iraq and Syria.

Syrian rebels and aid groups said that, at the end of August, dozens of people were affected by a chemical attack on Marea, where moderate opposition rebels and militants from the Islamic State (IS) group were battling.

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) said it had treated four civilians from one family. Patients at an MSF hospital in Aleppo said a mortar round hit their house and "after the explosion a yellow gas filled the living room".
Meanwhile, bolstered by a Russian air campaign launched in September, President Bashar al-Assad's forces have been fighting to retake territory lost to rebels in the country's brutal four-year war but have failed to score significant gains.

- Seizing Morek -

On Thursday a jihadist faction, Jund al-Aqsa, was reported to have seized the last government-held town on the main highway between Syria's second city Aleppo to the north and the city of Hama to the south.

They "seized full control of the town of Morek after a fierce offensive", said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Britain-based monitoring group.

The setback for Damascus came as France announced it would deploy an aircraft carrier to boost its forces in the fight against the Islamic State group, which has seized control of large parts of Iraq and Syria.
Jund al-Aqsa boasted of victory in Morek on its Twitter account but a Syrian security source insisted fighting was ongoing and denied a major setback.
Opposition fighters in the area "are being dealt with by the Syrian and Russian air force," the source said.
Morek has changed hands several times in the conflict, with government troops last retaking it in October 2014.
Last month, Syrian troops launched a major fightback in Hama province with Russian air support, with the main Aleppo highway a main objective.
It was one of a number of counter-offensives the Damascus regime has launched since Moscow intervened.
Regime forces scored a rare win Wednesday, recapturing from IS an alternative route further east that provides the government's sole link to neighbourhoods of Aleppo under its control.
Advancing IS forces had severed the road last month, cutting off food and supplies to tens of thousands of civilians in the west of Aleppo city.
For the first time since IS had cut the road, trucks of fruits and vegetables arrived in regime neighbourhoods of the city, residents said.
- IS advances -
IS has continued advancing its various parts of Syria, despite the Russian strikes and more than a year of air raids targeting the group by a US-led coalition.
On Thursday the Observatory said that at least 22 civilians were killed along with several IS fighters in air raids on the Syrian town of Bukamal, near the Iraqi border, but did not say which nation carried out the strikes.
Russia said its air force carried out strikes near the IS-held ancient city of Palmyra, bringing to 263 the number of targets Russian jets have hit in the past two days.
On Thursday, six people were killed in a suicide attack at a meeting of Muslim clerics in the Lebanese town of Arsal, a security source told AFP.
Arsal is a Sunni Muslim enclave in mainly Shiite eastern Lebanon and hosts many Syrian refugees as well as rebel fighters in the surrounding countryside.
It was not immediately clear who carried out the attack.

The US's new coordinator on anti-anti-IS efforts, Brett McGurk, said on Twitter Thursday he was in Ankara "for consultations with senior Turkish officials".

[Satya_anveshi]

chor ki daadi me tinka??
UK Suspends Flights to Sharm El-Sheikh After Uncovering Terrorist Bomb Plot - Nov 06, 2015

The UK intelligence services uncovered messages showing the Islamic State (ISIL) militant group planned on carrying out an attack around the same time a Russian A321 passenger plane crashed in the Sinai Peninsula, according to The Telegraph.

[Satya_anveshi]

There is something absolutely stinking about this whole refugee/migrant crisis in Europe. Some of it was earlier deciphered here on this thread (that Nicolai Starikov's video I posted) but there is something more to it.
My CT is that it has something to do with helping EU's anemic economy in a most shitty way in exchange for depopulation of critical areas of Syria so Israel can conveniently digest/absorb those within it. It will be important to know where exactly most of these migrants/refugees come from? If they come from areas near Israeli border, those near Golan Heights where oil discoveries were made, and other oil rich areas, then that data will bolster my theory.

We might very well be witnessing 1947 style population migration in 2015. Who would have thought there will be a repeat of that kind of evil happening (and permitted) again but I suspect it is happening right in front of our own eyes.


Migrant crisis: Three million expected to reach EU by 2017 - PeePeeSee - Nov 05, 2015

Three million migrants are likely to arrive in Europe by 2017 as the record influx via the Mediterranean continues, the European Commission says.
The EU's executive arm said the influx would have a "small but positive" effect on EU economic output, raising GDP by 0.2-0.3%.
The influx will raise the EU population by 0.4%, the Commission forecasts, taking account of failed asylum claims.
The flow of Syrian refugees to Europe shows no sign of abating, the UN says.
The weather in the Aegean Sea has got rougher with the onset of winter. But Peter Sutherland, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's special representative on migration, said Syrians were not put off by that.
The Syrian war "is driving people to desperation in terms of leaving and it will continue in its effects", he told the BBC.
"This is now a global responsibility, but it is a particular European responsibility," he said.

'5,000 daily'

Conflicts and abuses in Iraq, Afghanistan, Eritrea and Somalia are also pushing people towards Europe.
The flow of refugees and other migrants from Turkey to Greece is expected to continue at a rate of 5,000 daily this winter, the UN refugee agency UNHCR says.

UN refugee officials say more than 750,000 migrants have arrived in the EU by sea this year, up from 282,000 in total in 2014.
The vast majority have arrived in Greece (608,000), which has become the most common destination. Some 140,000 have arrived in Italy in 2015.
Most of the migrants head for Germany, hoping to get asylum there. German officials say their country is likely to host at least 800,000 new migrants this year, and the total could reach 1.5 million.
Sweden has the highest share of refugees per head of population in the EU. The extra cost in public spending is likely to be nearly 0.5% of GDP this year, the Commission says, adding that "the corresponding positive effects on growth would be somewhat smaller".

[Singha]

imo rather than hastily lashing out, the best chess move for Russia would be to accept an invitation by the govt of north yemen (the houthi part) to setup two permanent tartus type bases there.
Al hudaydah - the red sea port
Sanaa - the capital

that would checkmate the mercenary army right there. Rus would declare any ongoing blocade of the Yemeni coastline as illegal under international law and threaten to use klubs on them....the emirati and saudi FFGs would slink away like wet cats asap.

with a permanent naval and air base in the red sea they start a american style "Africa command" and pursue their interests

I think India should also join and co-develop such base as we are in need of a strong presence in that region. the americans and british are already in Djibouti. if we dont make a move now, china will claim that space...they are pouring money into africa and will certainly find some despot in somalia and sudan to offer them permanent bases.

yemen would be partitioned like it was before and houthistan would be the new north yemeni democratic peoples republic. south yemen would be the holy kingdom of asuric AQ republic.

with russia onsite and unlimited access to kornets and tochkas, imagine the havoc the houthis could case to saudi border provinces if the mercenary army does not withdraw to the south ....

[habal]

Russia Dispatches Missile Systems to Syria
Local Editor
Russia: Commander of Air Force General Victor BondarevCommander of the Russian Air Force said on Thursday that Moscow has sent missile systems to Syria to protect its forces stationed in the area.

Colonel General Victor Bondarev stated that the fighter jets may be hijacked in a neighboring country of Syria and be used to attack the Russian forces.

"We considered every possible threat. We have not only sent fighter jets, bombers and helicopters only, but missile systems as well," Bondarev told the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.

Russia has launched a massive military campaign in Syria since more than a month that aims to eliminate all terrorist groups operating against the Syrian national army.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adeta ... id=45&s1=1

[habal]

In the Wake of RUSSIAN A321 Disaster, Sharm El-Sheikh Airport Chief Gets Promotion

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151 ... z3qfX5j6zx

[bhalluka]

Interesting that Russian airlines are still flying to Sharm El Sheik as normal.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... -still-fly

Russia sends the most tourists to Sharm it seems, followed closely by Britain. Russian tour operators continuing their tours on schedule per BBC radio report. Looks like Russia does not want to get on with the western agenda when it comes to Egypt. Brave people!

[Philip]

Pres. Putin,send your tourists to Goa instead! No combat zone here,pork and beef ,plus gorgeous seafood very much on the menu!

Brit. intel.To paraphrase Gandhiji ,"it may be a good idea".Brit intel's track record in the MEast is controversial. None can forget the lie with a capital L about Saddam's ability to strike Britain with missiles in "15 mts"! Western intel swore on their grandmother's souls that Saddam had enough WMDs to blow up Western Europe. A posse was formed of Western bounty hunters to eliminate Saddam and relieve him and Iraq of its wealth. Bush Sr. now reveals to us the machinations of "Dick-the-Pr*ck" Cheney,whose warmongering policies was described by one western politician as utterly "corrosive".

However,if the intel is accurate,it beggars the Q,was the bomb part of a wider conspiracy to strike at Russia,not neccessarily a purely ISIS outrage? ISIS may have as they say,"pulled the trigger,but who pointed the gun?" There could be other players antagonistic to Russia who could've pulled the strings.The Saudi threat to Putin/Russia made in person not too long ago,threatening to use terrorism against Russia needs to be kept in mind.After all ISIS is the second coming of an Al Q outfit created by external forces.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... n-jet.html
Baggage handler at Sharm el-Sheikh 'could have smuggled bomb on board doomed Russian jet'
British and American intelligence officers believe Metrojet flight 9268 was downed by a bomb in its luggage hold as suspicion turns on staff at the Egyptian airport .

Baggage handler at Sharm el-Sheikh 'could have smuggled bomb on board doomed Russian jet'
British and American intelligence officers believe Metrojet flight 9268 was downed by a bomb in its luggage hold as suspicion turns on staff at the Egyptian airport

Part of the wreckage of the Metrojet Airbus A321 that British and US intelligence officials now believe was brought down by a bomb

By Gordon Rayner, and Magdy Samaan in Sharm el-Sheikh
6:54PM GMT 05 Nov 2015

A baggage handler at Sharm el-Sheikh airport may have smuggled a bomb on board the downed Russian passenger jet, investigators suspect.

British passengers preparing to return home have been told they cannot put any luggage in the hold of their aircraft, which is being treated as the weak link in the airport’s security. Instead their luggage will be sent on in a separate cargo plane.

US officials have said intelligence suggests the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) or another terrorist group may have had “an assist from someone at the airport” and the British security services have discovered evidence of a plot to carry out a major atrocity.

Latest photographs of the wreckage of flight 9268 appear to show holes in the fuselage punched from the inside out, suggesting an explosion inside the Airbus A321.

Internal components including part of a door also appear to have been peppered with shrapnel from inside the cabin.

An internal panel in this door appears to have peppered with shrapnel from insideAn internal panel in this door appears to have peppered with shrapnel from inside Photo: TASS/Corbis

Baggage handlers, catering staff and other airport workers are being interrogated to determine whether one of them may have been given a bomb to place on board the aircraft.

However, investigators have not ruled out the possibility that if a bomb was the cause of Saturday’s crash, it could have been placed on board in Russia.

Sharm el-Sheikh airport has metal detectors and x-ray scanners, meaning anyone hoping to plant a bomb on an aircraft would run a high risk of being caught if they were a passenger.

But unlike in the UK, airport staff have not previously been required to go through security, making them ideal candidates to smuggle bombs or other items onto aircraft. Problems with the airport’s perimeter were also exposed in June when a man got through a fence between the airport and a hotel and spent four hours vandalising an aircraft before he was finally caught. The incident led to the head of police at the airport being moved after guards were accused of gross negligence.

Isil is known to have the capability to make bombs of the type that would bring down an aircraft, either through a timer or a barometric trigger device, and MI5 has been warning for months that Isil has been planning major atrocities against the West.

This hole in the fuselage appears to have been punched through from the inside outThis hole in the fuselage appears to have been punched through from the inside out Photo: EPA

Norman Shanks, former head of security for the British airport owner BAA, said airport workers were the most obvious way of getting a bomb on board.

He said: “It could be that a bomb has been put into passengers’ checked baggage after it has cleared security, it could be that a cleaner has put a device under a seat or even one of the catering staff could have smuggled something on board.

“Investigators will be looking at the possibility that a member of airport staff was coerced into doing it by being threatened or their family being taken hostage; it could be that a member of staff is secretly an Isil sympathiser, or a member of Isil could have got a job at the airport somehow.”

EasyJet passengers expecting to fly home on Friday were emailed by the company to say that: “Unfortunately due to the circumstances no checked baggage will be taken onto the flight, this will follow on to your destination airport at a later date.”

David Cameron held talks with Egypt's President Sisi at Downing Street todayDavid Cameron held talks with Egypt's President Sisi at Downing Street today Photo: EPA

Abdel-Waheb Ali, the head of Sharm el-Sheikh International Airport, was sacked on Thursday, as British passengers complained that staff manning the airport scanners were playing games on their mobile phones rather than doing their jobs.

He was one of eight senior airport officials questioned by the local state prosecutor. Also among those questioned was Hani Hagag Hussein, the manager of SS Air, the company that serviced the aircraft and its catering trollies.

'It is more likely than not that it was a terrorist bomb'
David Cameron

Despite the British government asking Egypt to increase security at the airport at the start of this year, passengers who travelled home on Tuesday, four days after the crash, said they were still able to take scissors, liquids and aerosols on board in their hand luggage, in contravention of international standards, because security staff “didn’t seem to care”.

Following the arrival of a team of British security experts, staff at the airport are now being made to go through metal detectors, remove their shoes and submit themselves to pat downs before being allowed air side.

PS:Cheney,a "rogue Veep". He would've been a very prominent figure in the Nazi party!
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... nyone-knew
George Bush Sr book reveals a more dangerous Dick Cheney than anyone knew
Destiny and Power shows a VP with more authority than almost all his predecessors, making plain Bush Jr’s administration could have been even worse

[bhalluka]

Here is I am guessing an Iranian version of what happened to Metrojet 9268.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/03 ... -probable/

http://ppia.wikia.com/wiki/Veterans_Today

The gist seems to be that Saudi Intelligence did it in cooperation with others. The other interesting claim seems to be that the filming of the video was synchronized with the explosion.

[Singha]

the level of treachery and double crossing is hard to believe but probably true.

makes me wonder if people within deep state in the west knew that 9/11 was coming and chose to let it happen to get a fait accompli to set the whole upend middle east projects in motion.

[bhalluka]

It is sad that deciders and intelligence agencies signal intentions and capabilities using life of innocents!

[bhalluka]

the level of treachery and double crossing is hard to believe but probably true.

makes me wonder if people within deep state in the west knew that 9/11 was coming and chose to let it happen to get a fait accompli to set the whole upend middle east projects in motion.

Satyameva Jayate! Usually not immediately but eventually.

[Austin]

Pres. Putin,send your tourists to Goa instead! No combat zone here,pork and beef ,plus gorgeous seafood very much on the menu!

Been there last month , Business is badly Down , Russian tourist is not visiting Goa due to Rouble Devaluation , Goans prefer Russians over EU people as they says the European will order one beer and sit half a day enjoying his drink , while the Russia would just drink and get out in an hour and spend more

[habal]

It is sad that deciders and intelligence agencies signal intentions and capabilities using life of innocents!

when they can't strike directly.

[Austin]

Russians and Egyptians are not taking the Bomb Angle yet , Waiting for Investigation and proof of explosive if that is true , Western Intel just trying to prove a point we have intel its bomb and even Obama has joined the party.

Russian Intel would be monitoring intercepts and reports and wait for 100 % confirmation on bomb theory , Once they zero on the state intel which did it that state can expect a nice Memo from SVR.

Although I hope they dont respond with another bomb on civilian aircraft and play with the life 100 others

[Austin]

Putin is holding meeting of National Security Council today seems terrorism is the agenda

Putin will hold a meeting of the Russian Security Council

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151106/1314625408.html

MOSCOW, November 6 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday will hold a meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council, as well as meet with the head of Adygea Aslan Tkhakushinov, he told the press secretary of the head of state, Dmitry Peskov.

"The president is scheduled operational meeting with the permanent members of the Security Council" - Peskov said.

According to him, also held a working meeting with the head of Adygea.

Traditionally, the operational meetings of the Security Council are taking part, including Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin, Chairman of the Federation Council Valentina Matviyenko, Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev, the FSB director Alexander Bortnikov, head of the Kremlin administration, Sergei Ivanov, Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, director of the Foreign Intelligence Service Mikhail Fradkov.

In recent years, topics of discussion are the issues of international policy and the fight against terrorism.

[bhalluka]

Looks like the Saudis and Turks will be pumping in manpads into Syria.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-allies- ... 1446682624

Quoting relevant portion for those that don't have access.

The U.S. and its regional allies agreed to increase shipments of weapons and other supplies to help moderate Syrian rebels hold their ground and challenge the intervention of Russia and Iran on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, U.S. officials and their counterparts in the region said.

The deliveries from the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Arabia and other allied spy services deepen the fight between the forces battling in Syria, despite President Barack Obama’s public pledge to not let the conflict become a U.S.-Russia proxy war.

Saudi officials not only pushed for the White House to keep the arms pipeline open, but also warned the administration against backing away from a longstanding demand that Mr. Assad must leave office.

In the past month of intensifying Russian airstrikes, the CIA and its partners have increased the flow of military supplies to rebels in northern Syria, including of U.S.-made TOW antitank missiles, these officials said. Those supplies will continue to increase in coming weeks, replenishing stocks depleted by the regime’s expanded military offensive.

An Obama administration official said the military pressure is needed to push Mr. Assad from power.

“Assad is not going to feel any pressure to make concessions if there is no viable opposition that has the capacity, through the support of its partners, to put pressure on his regime,” the official said.

In addition to the arms the U.S. has agreed to provide, Saudi and Turkish officials have renewed talks with their American counterparts about allowing limited supplies of shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, to select rebels. Those weapons could help target regime aircraft, in particular those responsible for dropping barrel bombs, and could also help keep Russian air power at bay, the officials said.

Mr. Obama has long rebuffed such proposals, citing the risk to civilian aircraft and fears they could end up in the hands of terrorists. To reduce those dangers, U.S. allies have proposed retrofitting the equipment to add so-called kill switches and specialized software that would prevent the operator from using the weapon outside a designated area, said officials in the region briefed on the option.

U.S. intelligence agencies are concerned that a few older Manpads may already have been smuggled into Syria through supply channels the CIA doesn’t control.

Here is Mcain advocating the supply of manpads. He usually is a good reflection of the current thinking in some parts of the Pentagon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx6s4jO9xNY

[manju]

Russia sends plane carrying 'humanitarian aid' to Yemen

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-sends-plan ... 49303.html

[Austin]

Russian jet was 'avoiding SAM system' when it flew into Turkish airspace
Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

A Russian fighter jet that made an unauthorised incursion into Turkish airspace in October did so because the pilot was manoeuvring to break the lock of a surface-to-air missile (SAM) system, state media reported on 5 November.

The Sukhoi Su-30SM 'Flanker' was flying within Syrian airspace close to the Turkish border on 3 October when the pilot received onboard warnings that his aircraft was being targeted by an unidentified SAM system, the commander of the Russian Air Force (VVS), Colonel General Viktor Bondarev, was quoted by Komsomolskaya Pravda as saying. In manoeuvring to break the lock the pilot inadvertently strayed into Turkish airspace momentarily, the general added.

"Our fighter jet was on a combat mission in northern Syria in very dense cloud conditions. When the aircraft was passing along the Turkish border, the onboard equipment set off an alarm indicating the plane was being targeted by some kind of air defence system. The pilot had to take a split-second decision to perform an anti-missile manoeuvre. Well, [the aircraft] went a little bit into Turkish airspace. We acknowledged it frankly," Gen Bondarev is quoted as saying, adding: "This was a mistake, [our pilots] respect Turkey's borders and this will not happen again."

The incident occurred at the outset of Russia's military deployment to Syria, and prompted the Moscow's ambassador to Ankara to be summoned to the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs to explain after the country's air force scrambled two F-16 fighters to intercept the intruder. At the time, NATO officials said that they did not believe the airspace violation to have been an accident.

Although Russian officials expressed their apologies over the violation in October, Turkey complained again of a second similar event just two days later, although Russia denied that any further incursion had taken place.

[Singha]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/co ... story.html

british are evacuating 20,000 people from sharm al sheikh and stopping all fights to it . pax only allowed carry-on baggage on evac flight.

[Philip]

Ridiculous! I remember days when Indian airports made you identify your luggage just before boarding,that too after strenuous checking of both ckd in and hand luggage. So the luggage will come back in a cargo flight to avoid a passr. aircraft from being similarly "bombed".

If the Saudis and Yanquis start supplying "trusted" fighters with MANPADS,surely the Russians will do the same to their "trusted" rebel fighters elsewhere on the planet where Western/Saudi forces are engaged,even in Syria! As the Kissinger look-alike said in the Pink Panther Strikes Again,Peter Sellers Clouseau film classic, where world powers send their agents to kill Clouseau at the Oktoberfest,"it vill be a massacre"!

[Austin]

Russia to suspend flights to Egypt until causes of Sinai crash are clear

https://www.rt.com/news/321055-russia-h ... ght-egypt/

[Lalmohan]

russian tourists dominate sharm el sheikh by far. currently there are 20,000 british tourists there. they are starting to be flown back, but with extra precautions

net net, the tourism industry of the whole of north africa is now closed

[NRao]

russian tourists dominate sharm el sheikh by far. currently there are 20,000 british tourists there. they are starting to be flown back, but with extra precautions

net net, the tourism industry of the whole of north africa is now closed

The Russian suspension covers all of Egypt. While the British and Irish is only for that particular destination, so far.

[NRao]

Keeping Assad in power not crucial, says Russia

[UlanBatori]

I hope Putin tracks that bomb to its origin - Turkey and/or Saudi Arabia - and sends a few bums of his own to them via Blackjacks and Bears, with a blunt announcement that

U r with us or aginst us

Is this why oil prices are rising again? Riyadh overdue for a parking-lot reconstruction?

[Satya_anveshi]

Canada wishing to play its best role?
Canada’s New FM: Era of Special Relationship with Israel Is Over - Nov 07 2015

"Israel understands that for Canada to be helpful, we need to strengthen our links with countries that are around Israel and should be part of the solution and not becoming completely dysfunctional as, unfortunately, Syria became."

[habal]

Christopher Bollyn: “Was Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot Used In Egyptian Plane Crash?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irjnjYEBBzc


Ulson Gunnar - West Secretly Elated Over Downed Russian Airliner

http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/05/west- ... -airliner/

John Bradley states:

Regarding Russia in particular, he states:

But it would also be the most unwelcome news possible for Vladimir Putin, who sold military intervention in Syria to the Russian people as a way of making them safer. In turn, opponents of Russian intervention – the US, Turkey and the Gulf Arab despots – would be privately elated. For does this not prove their argument that Russian intervention only complicates the situation on the ground while increasing the threat of terror attacks?

[Austin]

Seems Syrian Airforce uses Mig-21 and Mig-23 with Dumb Bomb , Check the video in the link

‘Strong & safe’: Syrian Air Force pilots say veteran Soviet fighter jets are effective against jihad

Never seen a Mig-21 in such a bad shape but still flying

[Lalmohan]

Esteemed yak herder Khan,
Travel restrictions apart, shootings in Morocco and Tunisia and the basket case of Libya - and simmering problems in Egypt... The euro hordes seeking sun and lager are no longer coming to the south med, soon they will start avoiding the Turkish beaches
Spain, Greece and Italy will gain

[UlanBatori]

There's always Sea, Sun N'Sand in Somalia

With no other implications, the old question leads to the same ol' answers.
Qui bono?
Wonder who sold stocks in Sharm-El-Sheikh SunNSand Rejorts about 2 weeks ago.

[UlanBatori]

And now this. (Oh! A Missile? Over SINAI? How Shocking!)

It said the jet came within 1,000 feet of a missile in its trajectory August 23, and went on to land safely. The paper said passengers were kept in the dark about the incident. .

Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry said Saturday that the international community had not heeded Egypt's calls to seriously deal with terrorism.
Other countries "did not show a level of cooperation and direct targeting of these organizations that we hoped for," Shoukry said. "I can say these calls were not heeded by many of the parties who are now working to protect the interests of their citizens."

[habal]

1. investigators haven't found any traces of explosives yet.

2.western media mouthpiece aren't tiring of mentioning 'bomb smuggled onboard'.

3. Israeli IDF electronics warfare unit is based just adjacent the sinai in negev desert. Unit 8200 can easily take over controls of commercial airliner if they have been given requisite tech by honeywell.

4. USA or European govt have lot to lose if Boeing and Airbus commercial airlines are found to be hackable.

with right reason Russia is keeping total radio silence of possible Israeli hand.

[vasu raya]

The Russian flight's 'video' shows a burning aft, tail piece found on the ground shows no burnt marks not even of the seats etc. the top side seems neatly cameoff at a joint, the bottom shows violent tearing off, the tail rudder/aileron is missing, maybe the fight was maneuvering a bit in the last secs but got overwhelmed

[habal]

if missile was launched by drone then more than 1 satellites would pick that up.

check out news reports from Indian news sources post immidiate post crash.They clearly mention plane climbed sharply and then fell. Also message from cockpit was that pilot wanted to land at Cairo because of erratic behaviour of plane. Later reports by bbc and cnn and assorted western media completely bypassed these initial reports

[habal]

receiving end of artillery shelling .. squealing is from cameraman