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http://www.emirates247.com/news/video-t ... 5-1.611712
The US military on Tuesday backed up Turkey's claim that Turkish pilots had warned a Russian jet 10 times -- but failed to get a response -- before shooting it down.

"We were able to hear everything that was going on, these (communications) were on open channels," Baghdad-based military spokesman Colonel Steve Warren said in a video call with reporters.

Asked if he could confirm reports 10 warnings were issued by Turkish pilots without response, Warren said: "I can confirm that, yes."

He added it was not immediately clear on which side of the Turkish-Syrian border the Russian jet had been flying, and it would take some time to analyze data before arriving at that determination.
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TSJones wrote:
nirav wrote:@TSJones: Nato countries already making noises about this being between Turkey and Russia.

I really dont see NATO picking a fight with Russia over some Trigger happy Turks.

Article 5 is more or less : "an attack on one Ally(USA) shall be considered an attack on all Allies"
I would point out that the US already has certain assets in Turkey for decades. This is not the Ukraine or Georgia. S-400 in Syria? Ok Patriots in Turkey. The sword cuts both ways. Go ahead, take a shot. I dare ya.
For all its lightning from mouth and thunder from ass, NATO has only meddled with Hapless Afghanistan, Iraq. They did diddly squat when Russia annexed Crimea. Sanctions iirc was all that they could come up with. Irrespective of all those B61s in Europe.

What happened with Iran ? From being on the famed 'Axis of evil' to suddenly nothing ! Even North Korea ! Its still on the Axis, but whats the mighty NATO doing about it ?

screw all that. Fact that Russians are bombing the crap out of the "moderates" and NATO with their patriots and "certain assets" in Turkey is plain sucking it up. What happened ?
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TS Jones. The size of fight in the Russians is not small. They gave up 20 million men out of a population of 130 million during ww2. Its an understated and uncomfortable fact that the rodina had a huge role to play in the US winning ww2.
There's that old saying about sizes of dogs and the fight in them.
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If turkey is peeved that Turkmen I. Syria and Iraq are at receiving end and therefore can do the "the right thing"
Then Russian is entitled to the "right thing" in Ukraine, and Baltic states as well because there quite a few Russians are there as well

Russian needs finances to continue this cleansing operations or alternatively increase the cost of it opponents exponentially so that sanity comes to all involved in green orange yellow revolutions shoe hanging yellow ribbon tying tamasha like in wag the dog.

Russian leaders sure must have learnt some lessons from 1979 ....world events

One game changing event would be to bring color revolution to KSA at minimu get women to drive..
That would be some rotation of policy
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Video on See Enn Enn:
Fmr. NATO Cmdr.: Turkey has funneled fighters to ISIS 03:13
(Gen. Wesley Clark)
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The other pilot from downed jet is safe and at Syrian air base, giving interviews.
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In all this halla gulla, where do we stand? Which side are we sticking to, West or Russia?

For once we should grow some spine stand for what we believe in. Even most of the NATOnations are not sticking up to Ankara for their BS.
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Guys I had read this article many years ago , below is the link. Today I just recalled it all of the sudden and thought to post it here. The 90 years old lady predicted the below way back in 1968.
1968 Prophecy by 90 Year Old Woman in Norway
before the Third World War breaks out there will be a ‘détente’ like we have never had before. There will be peace between the super powers in the east and the west, and there will be a long peace. (Remember, that this was in 1968 when the cold war was at its highest. E. Minos) In this period of peace there will be disarmament in many countries,
Churches and prayer houses will be emptier and emptier. Instead of the preaching we have been used to for generations -like, to take your cross up and follow Jesus, - entertainment, art and culture will invade the churches where there should have been gatherings for repentance and revival.
People will live together like married without being married. (I do not believe the concept ‘co-habitor’? existed in 1968 - E. Minos.) Much uncleanness before marriage, and much infidelity in marriage will become the natural
"TV will be filled with such horrible violence that it teaches people to murder and destroy each other, and it will be unsafe in our streets. People will copy what they see. There will not be only one ‘station’ on TV, it will be filled with ‘stations.’ (She did not know the word ‘channel’ which we use today. Therefore she called them stations. E. Minos.) TV will be just like the radio where we have many ‘stations,’ and it will be filled with violence. People will use it for entertainment. We will see terrible scenes of murder and destruction one of the other, and this will spread in society. Sex scenes will also be shown on the screen, the most intimate things that takes place in a marriage."
"People from poor countries will stream to Europe. (In 1968 there was no such thing as immigration. E. Minos.) They will also come to Scandinavia - and Norway. There will be so many of them that people will begin to dislike them and become hard with them. They will be treated like the Jews before the Second World War. Then the full measure of our sins will have been reached
"All that I have seen of war before is only child’s play compared to this one, and it will be ended with a nuclear atom bomb. The air will be so polluted that one cannot draw one’s breath. It will cover several continents, America, Japan, Australia and the wealthy nations. The water will be ruined (contaminated?). We can no longer till the soil. The result will be that only a remnant will remain. The remnant in the wealthy countries will try to flee to the poor countries, but they will be as hard on us as we were on them.
I hope admins wont object me posting this here.
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So
1. Russian navigator says no warning, total surprise attack.
2. Turkeys say yes TEN warnings spread out over a whole hour.
3. US says, sure, we heard the turkeys!

I am an optimist. I think ALL are telling the truth.
1. Russian navigator was listening to usual military/civilian/ATC channels. Nothing heard there.
2. Turkeys and US were on same page, same script. US verifies that the Turkeys said EXACTLY what the US told them to say. But why were they heard only by the US and not, say, the French? Belgians? Germans? Saudis? Jordanians? All the NATO tribes and MUNNAs assembled to bomb the Kurds and Syrians in support of the Da'esh? Elementary, Emir Doktor bin Wat! The turkeys must have made the tape in a US-run studio!

Same Warning Procedure as that followed by Chicago Polis Akadummy!
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(I do not believe the concept ‘co-habitor’? existed in 1968 - E. Minos.)
AoA! It is still haraam onlee. Please look up the term "Hippie" on the Internet, kindly. Esp. in Sweden in summer in the 1960s (that is still in Scandalnavia, hain na?) In winter in Norway people don't even remove clothes to go "P", so 'live together' is just 'if u can stand each other's fragrance'.
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Putin says Turkey's leaders back 'Islamisation' of Turkish society
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/ ... VTxPt5c.97

Putin doesn't care about political correctness.
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http://www.armradio.am/en/2015/11/25/ru ... de-denial/

It happened a 100 years ago; but somebody still remembers.
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The blogging retd. US Army Col. writes:
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... -nato.html
What Turkey has managed to do with yesterday's attack on a Russian air force fighter is to solidify Russian determination to see Turkey's jihadist friends defeated.

"You can pay me now or you can pay me later" is an old American expression. The phrase transmits the thought that retribution for an offense WILL BE EXACTED eventually.
From the comments on that blog:
Booby said...
My experience is 25 years old & maybe outdated; but, in the old days Soviet tactical aircraft radios did not have a preset GUARD channel(the international emergency frequency). Normally intercept warnings are transmitted on GUARD. Even if the Turks transmitted a warning, it is possible that the Russian crew didn't have the ability to receive the warning.
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I would point out that the US already has certain assets in Turkey for decades. This is not the Ukraine or Georgia. S-400 in Syria? Ok Patriots in Turkey. The sword cuts both ways. Go ahead, take a shot. I dare ya.
Buddy, the Cuban crisis was "resolved" not because of JFK's "resolute" stand against the Soviets or whatever they show in the TV in the US that passes as history, but because, both sides did it as part of a deal and the deal basically said NO NATO nukes in Turkey and hence NO Soviet Nukes in Cuba.

And look at the 300 km coverage map of the S300 from Latakia. It basically covers the entire coastal ingress route into Syria, more importantly makes the Cypriot airbase in UK unviable for operations without Russian concurrence (good luck to the Franchise if they take up the Brit offer of Cyprus airbase, they will have to fly in over the coast and tangle with the Russian and Syrian air defence) . So what this means is that the entire Mediterranean route is out. So that leaves out only the Northern Turkish route or the eastern Iraqi route.

Now what this Erdogan business means, that the Northern route too will be under closure. So US using Incirlick bypassing Russia isn't going to happen. So, it will be back to Iraq then.
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UlanBatori wrote:Doesn't Turkey have a border with Russia? Or are they sheltered by the brave Georgia?
Also, just as a thought experiment .. I wonder what happens if Russia actually launches a bunch of missiles into downtown Ankara. Not nuclear, just big conventional ones. No warning, no nothing. Will the Patriots react? Will NATOBO launch against Moscow?
I think far better option is to simply provide humanitarian assistance to the Kurds and the Houthis
black sea is not turkey's own. so, sub-surface attack can be launched from as close as 50-150 miles.
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vina wrote:
I would point out that the US already has certain assets in Turkey for decades. This is not the Ukraine or Georgia. S-400 in Syria? Ok Patriots in Turkey. The sword cuts both ways. Go ahead, take a shot. I dare ya.
Buddy, the Cuban crisis was "resolved" not because of JFK's "resolute" stand against the Soviets or whatever they show in the TV in the US that passes as history, but because, both sides did it as part of a deal and the deal basically said NO NATO nukes in Turkey and hence NO Soviet Nukes in Cuba.

And look at the 300 km coverage map of the S300 from Latakia. It basically covers the entire coastal ingress route into Syria, more importantly makes the Cypriot airbase in UK unviable for operations without Russian concurrence (good luck to the Franchise if they take up the Brit offer of Cyprus airbase, they will have to fly in over the coast and tangle with the Russian and Syrian air defence) . So what this means is that the entire Mediterranean route is out. So that leaves out only the Northern Turkish route or the eastern Iraqi route.

Now what this Erdogan business means, that the Northern route too will be under closure. So US using Incirlick bypassing Russia isn't going to happen. So, it will be back to Iraq then.
it'll never happen because if it does then nobody flies. end of story.
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tsj you sound quite frustrated. like being well armed for a fight the enemy has bypassed lol
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Nato can do zilch, putin will sent more equipment (more lethal but no boots on ground yet). Already members are distancing themselves from turkey so alliance holds as an when master puppeteer needs it but it would be ookraine part deux.

Retrubition would be cold and served where least expected, aankara had too much of nato-tequila mix but hangover will be over soon. Get popcorn ready.
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Kerry is using that tired old NATO canard that Turkey "has a right to defend itself" At the US Press Secretary conference the Press Secretary was asked that if that applies to ALL nations. The idiot realized the potential hypocrisy and was caught off guard and said it obviously does not apply to the Assad "Regime".

Now countries need certificates from USA if they have right to defend themselves.
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Three top 'rebel', 'moderate', 'peaceloving', FSA, met their 72 yesterdin.

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1
Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1 now6 hours ago
#Syria #Latakia Three Militant #FSA/Jihadist Leader's/Commander's killed today so far by #SAA #NDF

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The first peaceful (oldish) is the FSA, First Coastal Division Leader, Abu Salim Julaq.
The moderate terrorist in uniform is Brigadier General Rashid, the highest FSA mil. to die. Died in a Turkey hospital.
The youngish, black beard is batallion commander of Maher Hajazi, Abbas Hijazi Abu Ali (Absi).

All three died North of Latakia. Russians have come down harder. The little game Turkey and US played in shooting down the Su 24 is causing the rats below a lot more pain.
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Aren't Turkomen Shia? THey were the footsoldiers for the Safavids IIRC against the Ottomans. Now Turkey is defending them?
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Fox News

Lt. Gen. McInerney: Turkey planned to shoot down Russian plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyIa4UvzWI

At the G20 summit, Obama approved a plan to destroy the plane Erdogan RF
This was stated by a source in government circles in Turkey.
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... &sandbox=1
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Russians have a sense of humor. Try imagining this from Kerry.
Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for President Vladimir Putin, said Russia’s air strikes against rebels in northern Syria would “without doubt” continue. “We would prefer the terrorists and militants to keep further away from the Turkish border, but unfortunately they tend to be located on Syrian territory close to the Turkish border,” he said.
Activists reporting for the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Russian warplanes on Wednesday carried out a dozen air strikes in the north of Latakia province where the Russian SU-24 aircraft crashed on Tuesday after being struck by Turkish fighter jets.

Russian warplanes also carried out raids on Azaz, a strategic border town further to the north, in Aleppo province, where Isis fighters are present.

Sergei Lavrov, Russian foreign minister, said Moscow had to respond to Turkey shooting down the Russian jet, describing the action as a “planned” move by Ankara.

“We will not wage war with Turkey and relations with the Turkish people have not changed, we just have questions about the acts of the current Turkish leadership,” he said.

Earlier Moscow said it was deploying advanced S-400 air defence missiles to its air base in Syria, in a sign of the risks of further military escalation.
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Turkish jets reportedly intruded into Iraqi airspace without warning in a fresh tide of airstrikes against Kurdish PKK fighters’ bases, local news reported Wednesday.

Several bases of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militant organization were hit during air raids by Turkish air forces in Iraqi Kurdistan, local news outlet Rudaw reported on Wednesday.

“Turkish F-16 warplanes are continually bombing PKK bases in the area of Barwari Balla and Kesta village in the town of Zakho,” a Rudaw reporter broadcast from the scene.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/2015112 ... z3sYmIiEJf
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turkey is what pakistan can aspire to be - strong, proud, straight-backed, sharp swords, NATO membership, gazillion high tech weapons, more strategic location on bosporus, better historical sites, better tourism, U-214 uber-subs, more F-solah(always a sore point for paks), westernized living in istanbul vs dodging TTP schemers in pindi, smashmouth response to russian aggression, no oil but good oil revenues via IS trading, better looking ladies.

TSP feels so downmarket and dull in comparison :mrgreen:
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Sid wrote:In all this halla gulla, where do we stand? Which side are we sticking to, West or Russia?

For once we should grow some spine stand for what we believe in. Even most of the NATOnations are not sticking up to Ankara for their BS.
We are on the side of secularism. We don't mix in shia sunni wars
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Singha wrote:turkey is what pakistan can aspire to be - strong, proud, straight-backed, sharp swords, NATO membership, gazillion high tech weapons, more strategic location on bosporus, better historical sites, better tourism.

TSP feels so downmarket in comparison :mrgreen:
If Pakis play their cards right and if they pay the right touts they can become Turks by slipping in along with Syrians. Maybe Pakistanis can set off a bomb in Moscow to please the Turks?
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Rus clusters at work on ghab plain which is on inland side of latakia after one range of N-S hills.
the observer nearly has a heart attack from AoA shouting.




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some big MLRS like uragan or smerch unloaded a lot of tubes onto a village sized area there. or the same munitions delivered by heavy bomber.

it might be the footage of a month ago uploaded again though. I think ghab plain is mostly in govt hands now.
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Singha wrote:turkey is what pakistan can aspire to be - strong, proud, straight-backed, sharp swords, NATO membership, gazillion high tech weapons, more strategic location on bosporus, better historical sites, better tourism, U-214 uber-subs, more F-solah(always a sore point for paks), westernized living in istanbul vs dodging TTP schemers in pindi, smashmouth response to russian aggression, no oil but good oil revenues via IS trading, better looking ladies.

TSP feels so downmarket and dull in comparison :mrgreen:
good one! :D
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Singha wrote:turkey is what pakistan can aspire to be - strong, proud, straight-backed, sharp swords, NATO membership, gazillion high tech weapons, more strategic location on bosporus, better historical sites, better tourism, U-214 uber-subs, more F-solah(always a sore point for paks), westernized living in istanbul vs dodging TTP schemers in pindi, smashmouth response to russian aggression, no oil but good oil revenues via IS trading, better looking ladies.

TSP feels so downmarket and dull in comparison :mrgreen:
only one difference, pakis have Indian gene so may well survive into next century and more tactical shrewd than Turkey can aspire to be.

will Turkey make it intact into next decade. Will Turkey be able to deal with inevitable loss of face once russia exacts it's retribution after all pieces are in place.
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Europeans are wary because this is not going to end well, if a small chitput like Turkey tries to browbeat russia, then russia feels tied down and unable to put them in place, then they will not go after Turkey, they will go after the big one, even at tremendous cost. First strike, first kill advantage.

inevitable doomsday scenario, whichever way you look at it. India may benefit though.
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Singha wrote:turkey is what pakistan can aspire to be - strong, proud, straight-backed, sharp swords, NATO membership, gazillion high tech weapons, more strategic location on bosporus, better historical sites, better tourism, U-214 uber-subs, more F-solah(always a sore point for paks), westernized living in istanbul vs dodging TTP schemers in pindi, smashmouth response to russian aggression, no oil but good oil revenues via IS trading, better looking ladies.

TSP feels so downmarket and dull in comparison :mrgreen:
So true!

Pakis are dull and downbeaten because of their own choice but their survival is about keeping our growth hindered...that is their destiny.

My Post on Oct 28, 2015
Satya_anveshi wrote:Turkey and Pukistan are most uniquely positioned for hafta wasooli. Turkey's moment has arrived. For them it will be either Saudis giving them discount or Russians to get their way (or sustain their way) to Europe.

Paki moment has not arrived yet thanks to their own hafta wasooli for delaying that arrival so idiots benefited from that too. Pak is gateway to Indian market as far as energy supplies are concerned.
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a convoy of terrorists attacked

Russians attack a Turkish convoy.
http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/duny ... 7_olu.html

Is it safe to say proud Turkey won't retaliate.
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NATO survived Cold War, but downed Russian jet provides biggest threat
The cool, calm, clear thinking that kept the NATO alliance intact as it weathered the Cold War with the Soviet Union has been shattered.

Decades of careful diplomacy and nail-biting inaction during the potentially world-annihilating nuclear arms race of the 1950s, 60s and 70s appears to have been sacrificed in a few brief seconds by Turkey.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has been trying to undermine the unity of NATO for years. Whether it's been Russian planes flying in Baltic airspace, aging bombers buzzing the coast of Britain, the destabilization of Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, he has needled NATO, testing its resolve and probing for division. The downing of Russia's fighter plane may help Putin reach his goal of destabilizing and dividing NATO.
But, already, German and Czech officials are expressing surprise at Turkey's action -- taken after the Russian plane was inside Turkish airspace for 30 seconds or less, according to U.S. calculations.
It was a rare moment in international diplomacy and some diplomats were beginning to think Russia's policy on Syria and its support for Bashar al-Assad could be changed. Not quickly, or easily, but the chance was there.

And Erdogan has squandered it.
The Europeans are fearful, they may now get another 1 million more refugees or more. So do the Germans back the NATO line and welcome another million or more Muslim refugees or do they work with Putin for any early end to the Syrian war on Putin's terms and pi*s off the US neocons?
I don't think they like Erdogan very much right now :)

Erdogan is like Musharaff, tactically brilliant and strategically stupid.
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It is now speculated that NATO member Turkey was covering up Al Qaeda Syria chief Al-Jawlaani who was also in jabal turkman when he was being tracked by the russians, most likely the Su-24 was getting in line to unload on his suspected hideout.

NATO member Turkey felt obliged to prevent this since their president himself had sought services of jawlaani in light of their turkomen terrorists being pounded. Something like this:
At his master´s Erdoghan´s command, Jawlaani had to interrupt his vacation with hookers in Istanbul and return to Syria.
"My Turkmen murderer gangs in Latakia get pounded badly, they need you with your experience. Do not fail me, my son."
will it not show proud Errdogan in poor light if he allows his chief ally in region to be obliterated without him lifting a finger to help him in time of crisis.
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Singha wrote:Rus clusters at work on ghab plain which is on inland side of latakia after one range of N-S hills.
the observer nearly has a heart attack from AoA shouting.




God, that constant firing of AoA was more devastating then firecrackers at distance. If only words could kill :-? :-?

Its a sad and funny video.
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Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Singha »

another distinctive tone is the religious chanting that ISIS uses on their VBIED videos...usually the suicide bomber is dressed in ritual white, hugs his bros and lets them take a few selfies before getting into the armoured truck and heading off for his lonely and final voyage....
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