The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

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Postby JE Menon » 26 Nov 2015 09:03

It's hilarious. I think someone with skills should do a video on the many ways in which AoA can be said.

On an even lighter note, Germany is pulling its anti-missile batteries out of Turkey and ending its physical presence there as part of Turkey-Syria border security ops.

It has declared, rightly, that its mission there has been a success.

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Postby Sid » 26 Nov 2015 09:20

JE Menon wrote:It's hilarious. I think someone with skills should do a video on the many ways in which AoA can be said.

On an even lighter note, Germany is pulling its anti-missile batteries out of Turkey and ending its physical presence there as part of Turkey-Syria border security ops.

It has declared, rightly, that its mission there has been a success.


Excellent thought. I was thinking of a AoA rap but video should suffice :)

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 26 Nov 2015 09:24

Per news reports US and Germany pulled their Patriot missile batteries out of Turkey by late Aug (and physically by the time Putin started his ops on Sept 30). The Spanish ones are the only ones protecting Erdogan's ash.

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Postby Sid » 26 Nov 2015 09:34

At one point of time Turkey was poised to purchse S-300/HQ-9, instead its looking at pointed end of its superior cousins (s-400).

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Postby habal » 26 Nov 2015 09:36

the article posted by Paul in Indian Interests sums it up. Do not be misled by USA, Germany etc withdrawing patriot batteries, they fully intend to fight russia to the last turk. They are just removing any traces of their hand in all this in case turk get fried accidentaly and they just reset and keep playing cute.

this is the dharma-yuddh that was foreseen by ancients and allies can win by attacking source and not tools. We will see a big nuke conflict somewhere in middle of this war because history will not repeat exactly every time with win for axis powers. Russia is entity with maximum persecution complex, they will not let it slide like old. Most of west will be puffed out at some point. France has tactfully declined to take sides.

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Postby TSJones » 26 Nov 2015 09:39

patriots to begin withdraw in October......

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /31817279/

but could be back in one week's time......

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Postby deejay » 26 Nov 2015 09:42

Battlefield equipment innovations in the Syrian conflict has seen many local innovations as seen in the videos on YouTube etc. These include but not limited to:

> Enhanced barrel sniper rifles
> Remote video cam operated Sniper rifles
> Hell Cannons
> Gas Cylinder mortar rounds
> DIY rockets and MBRLs
> Catapult grenade launchers
> Local made grenades
> Barrel Bombs
> SVBIED (Mad Max trucks)

and I saw this interesting Tin Can Armoured car:


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Postby Yagnasri » 26 Nov 2015 09:45

Entire paper is posted here so that it does not get lost and makes interesting reading.
COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK

INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF HUMAN RIGHTS

Research Paper: ISIS-Turkey Links

By David L. Phillips

Introduction

Is Turkey collaborating with the Islamic State (ISIS)? Allegations range from military cooperation and weapons transfers to logistical support, financial assistance, and the provision of medical services. It is also alleged that Turkey turned a blind eye to ISIS attacks against Kobani.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu strongly deny complicity with ISIS. Erdogan visited the Council on Foreign Relations on September 22, 2014. He criticized "smear campaigns [and] attempts to distort perception about us." Erdogan decried, "A systematic attack on Turkey's international reputation, "complaining that "Turkey has been subject to very unjust and ill-intentioned news items from media organizations." Erdogan posited: "My request from our friends in the United States is to make your assessment about Turkey by basing your information on objective sources."

Columbia University's Program on Peace-building and Rights assigned a team of researchers in the United States, Europe, and Turkey to examine Turkish and international media, assessing the credibility of allegations. This report draws on a variety of international sources -- The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, BBC, Sky News, as well as Turkish sources, CNN Turk, Hurriyet Daily News, Taraf, Cumhuriyet, and Radikal among others.

Allegations

Turkey Provides Military Equipment to ISIS

• An ISIS commander told The Washington Post on August 12, 2014: "Most of the fighters who joined us in the beginning of the war came via Turkey, and so did our equipment and supplies."

• Kemal Kiliçdaroglu, head of the Republican People's Party (CHP), produced a statement from the Adana Office of the Prosecutor on October 14, 2014 maintaining that Turkey supplied weapons to terror groups. He also produced interview transcripts from truck drivers who delivered weapons to the groups. According to Kiliçdaroglu, the Turkish government claims the trucks were for humanitarian aid to the Turkmen, but the Turkmen said no humanitarian aid was delivered.

• According to CHP Vice President Bulent Tezcan, three trucks were stopped in Adana for inspection on January 19, 2014. The trucks were loaded with weapons in Esenboga Airport in Ankara. The drivers drove the trucks to the border, where a MIT agent was supposed to take over and drive the trucks to Syria to deliver materials to ISIS and groups in Syria. This happened many times. When the trucks were stopped, MIT agents tried to keep the inspectors from looking inside the crates. The inspectors found rockets, arms, and ammunitions.

• Cumhuriyet reports that Fuat Avni, a preeminent Twitter user who reported on the December 17th corruption probe, that audio tapes confirm that Turkey provided financial and military aid to terrorist groups associated with Al Qaeda on October 12, 2014. On the tapes, Erdogan pressured the Turkish Armed Forces to go to war with Syria. Erdogan demanded that Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Agency (MIT), come up with a justification for attacking Syria.

• Hakan Fidan told Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Yasar Guler, a senior defense official, and Feridun Sinirlioglu, a senior foreign affairs official: "If need be, I'll send 4 men into Syria. I'll formulate a reason to go to war by shooting 8 rockets into Turkey; I'll have them attack the Tomb of Suleiman Shah."

• Documents surfaced on September 19th, 2014 showing that the Saudi Emir Bender Bin Sultan financed the transportation of arms to ISIS through Turkey. A flight leaving Germany dropped off arms in the Etimesgut airport in Turkey, which was then split into three containers, two of which were given to ISIS and one to Gaza.

Turkey Provided Transport and Logistical Assistance to ISIS Fighters

• According to Radikal on June 13, 2014, Interior Minister Muammar Guler signed a directive: "According to our regional gains, we will help al-Nusra militants against the branch of PKK terrorist organization, the PYD, within our borders...Hatay is a strategic location for the mujahideen crossing from within our borders to Syria. Logistical support for Islamist groups will be increased, and their training, hospital care, and safe passage will mostly take place in Hatay...MIT and the Religious Affairs Directorate will coordinate the placement of fighters in public accommodations."
• The Daily Mail reported on August 25, 2014 that many foreign militants joined ISIS in Syria and Iraq after traveling through Turkey, but Turkey did not try to stop them. This article describes how foreign militants, especially from the UK, go to Syria and Iraq through the Turkish border. They call the border the "Gateway to Jihad." Turkish army soldiers either turn a blind eye and let them pass, or the jihadists pay the border guards as little as $10 to facilitate their crossing.

• Britain's Sky News obtained documents showing that the Turkish government has stamped passports of foreign militants seeking to cross the Turkey border into Syria to join ISIS.

• The BBC interviewed villagers, who claim that buses travel at night, carrying jihadists to fight Kurdish forces in Syria and Iraq, not the Syrian Armed Forces.

• A senior Egyptian official indicated on October 9, 2014 that Turkish intelligence is passing satellite imagery and other data to ISIS.

Turkey Provided Training to ISIS Fighters

• CNN Turk reported on July 29, 2014 that in the heart of Istanbul, places like Duzce and Adapazari, have become gathering spots for terrorists. There are religious orders where ISIS militants are trained. Some of these training videos are posted on the Turkish ISIS propaganda website takvahaber.net. According to CNN Turk, Turkish security forces could have stopped these developments if they had wanted to.

• Turks who joined an affiliate of ISIS were recorded at a public gathering in Istanbul, which took place on July 28, 2014.

• A video shows an ISIS affiliate holding a prayer/gathering in Omerli, a district of Istanbul. In response to the video, CHP Vice President, MP Tanrikulu submitted parliamentary questions to the Minister of the Interior, Efkan Ala, asking questions such as, "Is it true that a camp or camps have been allocated to an affiliate of ISIS in Istanbul? What is this affiliate? Who is it made up of? Is the rumor true that the same area allocated for the camp is also used for military exercises?"

• Kemal Kiliçdaroglu warned the AKP government not to provide money and training to terror groups on October 14, 2014. He said, "It isn't right for armed groups to be trained on Turkish soil. You bring foreign fighters to Turkey, put money in their pockets, guns in their hands, and you ask them to kill Muslims in Syria. We told them to stop helping ISIS. Ahmet Davutoglu asked us to show proof. Everyone knows that they're helping ISIS." (See HERE and HERE.)

• According to Jordanian intelligence, Turkey trained ISIS militants for special operations.

Turkey Offers Medical Care to ISIS Fighters

• An ISIS commander told the Washington Post on August 12, 2014, "We used to have some fighters -- even high-level members of the Islamic State -- getting treated in Turkish hospitals."

• Taraf reported on October 12, 2014 that Dengir Mir Mehmet Fırat, a founder of the AKP, said that Turkey supported terrorist groups and still supports them and treats them in hospitals. "In order to weaken the developments in Rojova (Syrian Kurdistan), the government gave concessions and arms to extreme religious groups...the government was helping the wounded. The Minister of Health said something such as, it's a human obligation to care for the ISIS wounded."

• According to Taraf, Ahmet El H, one of the top commanders at ISIS and Al Baghdadi's right hand man, was treated at a hospital in Sanliurfa, Turkey, along with other ISIS militants. The Turkish state paid for their treatment. According to Taraf's sources, ISIS militants are being treated in hospitals all across southeastern Turkey. More and more militants have been coming in to be treated since the start of airstrikes in August. To be more specific, eight ISIS militants were transported through the Sanliurfa border crossing; these are their names: "Mustafa A., Yusuf El R., Mustafa H., Halil El M., Muhammet El H., Ahmet El S., Hasan H., [and] Salim El D."

Turkey Supports ISIS Financially Through Purchase of Oil

• On September 13, 2014, The New York Times reported on the Obama administration's efforts to pressure Turkey to crack down on ISIS extensive sales network for oil. James Phillips, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, argues that Turkey has not fully cracked down on ISIS's sales network because it benefits from a lower price for oil, and that there might even be Turks and government officials who benefit from the trade.

• Fehim Taştekin wrote in Radikal on September 13, 2014 about illegal pipelines transporting oil from Syria to nearby border towns in Turkey. The oil is sold for as little as 1.25 liras per liter. Taştekin indicated that many of these illegal pipelines were dismantled after operating for 3 years, once his article was published.

• According to Diken and OdaTV, David Cohen, a Justice Department official, says that there are Turkish individuals acting as middlemen to help sell ISIS's oil through Turkey.

• On October 14, 2014, a German Parliamentarian from the Green Party accused Turkey of allowing the transportation of arms to ISIS over its territory, as well as the sale of oil.

Turkey Assists ISIS Recruitment

• Kemal Kiliçdaroğlu claimed on October 14, 2014 that ISIS offices in Istanbul and Gaziantep are used to recruit fighters. On October 10, 2014, the mufti of Konya said that 100 people from Konya joined ISIS 4 days ago. (See HERE and HERE.)

• OdaTV reports that Takva Haber serves as a propaganda outlet for ISIS to recruit Turkish-speaking individuals in Turkey and Germany. The address where this propaganda website is registered corresponds to the address of a school called Irfan Koleji, which was established by Ilim Yayma Vakfi, a foundation that was created by Erdogan and Davutoglu, among others. It is thus claimed that the propaganda site is operated from the school of the foundation started by AKP members.

• Minister of Sports, Suat Kilic, an AKP member, visited Salafi jihadists who are ISIS supporters in Germany. The group is known for reaching out to supporters via free Quran distributions and raising funds to sponsor suicide attacks in Syria and Iraq by raising money.

• OdaTV released a video allegedly showing ISIS militants riding a bus in Istanbul.

Turkish Forces Are Fighting Alongside ISIS

• On October 7, 2014, IBDA-C, a militant Islamic organization in Turkey, pledged support to ISIS. A Turkish friend who is a commander in ISIS suggests that Turkey is "involved in all of this" and that "10,000 ISIS members will come to Turkey." A Huda-Par member at the meeting claims that officials criticize ISIS but in fact sympathize with the group (Huda-Par, the "Free Cause Party", is a Kurdish Sunni fundamentalist political party). BBP member claims that National Action Party (MHP) officials are close to embracing ISIS. In the meeting, it is asserted that ISIS militants come to Turkey frequently to rest, as though they are taking a break from military service. They claim that Turkey will experience an Islamic revolution, and Turks should be ready for jihad. (See HERE and HERE.)

• Seymour Hersh maintains in the London Review of Books that ISIS conducted sarin attacks in Syria, and that Turkey was informed. "For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria's neighbors, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdogan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. 'We knew there were some in the Turkish government,' a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, 'who believed they could get Assad's nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria - and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat."

• On September 20, 2014, Demir Celik, a Member of Parliament with the people's democratic party (HDP) claimed that Turkish Special Forces fight with ISIS.

Turkey Helped ISIS in Battle for Kobani

• Anwar Moslem, Mayor of Kobani, said on September 19, 2014: "Based on the intelligence we got two days before the breakout of the current war, trains full of forces and ammunition, which were passing by north of Kobane, had an-hour-and-ten-to-twenty-minute-long stops in these villages: Salib Qaran, Gire Sor, Moshrefat Ezzo. There are evidences, witnesses, and videos about this. Why is ISIS strong only in Kobane's east? Why is it not strong either in its south or west? Since these trains stopped in villages located in the east of Kobane, we guess they had brought ammunition and additional force for the ISIS." In the second article on September 30, 2014, a CHP delegation visited Kobani, where locals claimed that everything from the clothes ISIS militants wear to their guns comes from Turkey. (See HERE and HERE.)

• Released by Nuhaber, a video shows Turkish military convoys carrying tanks and ammunition moving freely under ISIS flags in the Cerablus region and Karkamis border crossing (September 25, 2014). There are writings in Turkish on the trucks.

• Salih Muslim, PYD head, claims that 120 militants crossed into Syria from Turkey between October 20th and 24th, 2014.

• According to an op-ed written by a YPG commander in The New York Times on October 29, 2014, Turkey allows ISIS militants and their equipment to pass freely over the border.

• Diken reported, "ISIS fighters crossed the border from Turkey into Syria, over the Turkish train tracks that delineate the border, in full view of Turkish soldiers. They were met there by PYD fighters and stopped."

• A Kurdish commander in Kobani claims that ISIS militants have Turkish entry stamps on their passports.

• Kurds trying to join the battle in Kobani are turned away by Turkish police at the Turkey-Syrian border.

• OdaTV released a photograph of a Turkish soldier befriending ISIS militants.

Turkey and ISIS Share a Worldview

• RT reports on Vice President Joe Biden's remarks detailing Turkish support to ISIS.

• According to the Hurriyet Daily News on September 26, 2014, "The feelings of the AKP's heavyweights are not limited to Ankara. I was shocked to hear words of admiration for ISIL from some high-level civil servants even in Şanliurfa. 'They are like us, fighting against seven great powers in the War of Independence,' one said." "Rather than the [Kurdistan Workers' Party] PKK on the other side, I would rather have ISIL as a neighbor," said another."

• Cengiz Candar, a well-respected Turkish journalist, maintained that MIT helped "midwife" the Islamic state in Iraq and Syria, as well as other Jihadi groups.

• An AKP council member posted on his Facebook page: "Thankfully ISIS exists... May you never run out of ammunition..."

• A Turkish Social Security Institution supervisor uses the ISIS logo in internal correspondences.

• Bilal Erdogan and Turkish officials meet alleged ISIS fighters.

Mr. Phillips is Director of the Program on Peace-building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights. He served as a Senior Adviser and Foreign Affairs Expert for the U.S. Department of State.

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Postby Yagnasri » 26 Nov 2015 09:50

Slowly the sick man of Europe is back i think.

http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20151 ... ussia.html

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Postby Paul » 26 Nov 2015 09:51

It appears that drawing lessons from Swedish invasion of Russia, Napoleanic invasion and WWII vs. Afghania disaster starting 1979, bitter fighting in Caucasus in 90s west thinks Russian Bear can be defeated outside Russia in Muslim lands than in Eastern Europe.

Please read article posted in Indian interests thread, author is most perceptive observer of Anglo-Saxon tactics in twitter. Downing of SU24 is bait to draw Russia further into Syria.

So far Putin has done well not to respond to it.

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 09:54

All bombing mission will get aircover

http://ria.ru/syria_mission/20151126/1328599679.html

MOSCOW, November 26 - RIA Novosti. Russia is considering the possibility to send to the base "Hmeymim" in Syria further 10-12 aircraft and thereby provide cover each of the 24 Russian bombers, the newspaper "Kommersant" on Thursday, citing a source in the operational bodies of military administration.

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Postby Mort Walker » 26 Nov 2015 10:25

Austin wrote:All bombing mission will get aircover

http://ria.ru/syria_mission/20151126/1328599679.html

MOSCOW, November 26 - RIA Novosti. Russia is considering the possibility to send to the base "Hmeymim" in Syria further 10-12 aircraft and thereby provide cover each of the 24 Russian bombers, the newspaper "Kommersant" on Thursday, citing a source in the operational bodies of military administration.


The Russians will not stay in Syria for too long. It is an expensive deployment in the face of a contracting economy that will detract from protecting Mother Russia.

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 10:30

Mort Walker wrote:The Russians will not stay in Syria for too long. It is an expensive deployment in the face of a contracting economy that will detract from protecting Mother Russia.


As long as they dont deploy ground forces , they can continue the scale of deployment which is like less than 100 aircraft , Considering Russian Finance Minister said the deployment is not being funded from Defence Budget , its likely some of the funding is coming from Iran,Iraq and Syria.

Indeed Iraq would like Russians to get involved in ISIS bombing mission there if not for direct US threat to Iraq

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Postby Yagnasri » 26 Nov 2015 10:38

It may be true had their not been any Russian deaths. After the Su24 incident it would be difficult for Russians and Putin.

Advance sorry for a Mango question.

How costly is the forward deployment and use of some 30-40 ACs? All old stocks of bombs etc will be used and same goes to spare parts also. AC's being in use are all like Su24s which shall be having large stocks of spare parts etc. Fuel is no problem for Russians. So what costs are there?

In any even I am sure there are Shia funders somewhere who will bank role in case of any need.

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Postby habal » 26 Nov 2015 10:41

grey wolves in latakia yesterday

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 11:06

Yagnasri wrote:It may be true had their not been any Russian deaths. After the Su24 incident it would be difficult for Russians and Putin.

Advance sorry for a Mango question.

How costly is the forward deployment and use of some 30-40 ACs? All old stocks of bombs etc will be used and same goes to spare parts also. AC's being in use are all like Su24s which shall be having large stocks of spare parts etc. Fuel is no problem for Russians. So what costs are there?

In any even I am sure there are Shia funders somewhere who will bank role in case of any need.


Look at the cost of not doing this , Thousand of fighter from CIS joined in ISIS , they would eventually come back to Russia and CIS and indulge in terrorist act if you don't deal with them on their training ground , if any this else they would just grow in number if there is no deterrent , You cant Zero is out but you can mininimise it , the leekers being taken care by CIS intelligence co-operation.

GeoStrategically Russia is back into ME affair out of no where , Now every one including EU says Syria crisis settlement not possible without Russian involvement , How many countries really spoke of this before Russian involvement and Refugee Crisis in EU ? Recently Syrian Opposition had provided Intel to RuAF on ISIS and bombing mission confirmed by Putin , this was not there before

Iran , Iraq , Syria , Egypt now are very friendly and allies to Russia , Saudi King is visiting next year to Russia so they have a channel open with them and are in talking terms and not outright hostile.

The only country that does not want Russian to be in Syria is the US thats due to obvious reason , They dont want Russia to be involved in CIS/Ukraine or Pacific or South American country , they dont want EU to take any Gas from Russia as far as possible ......the list goes on

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 11:32

Check this CNN numbers on who is bombing Syria.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/25/middl ... index.html

US has 150+ aircraft probably includes co-oilation
French has 38 and
Russia has 34

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 26 Nov 2015 12:41

source: https://www.rt.com/business/323391-isis ... ey-russia/

Turkish social media has posted photos of Turkish President Recep Erdogan’s son Necmettin Bilal having dinner in an Istambul restaurant with an alleged ISIS leader, who it is claimed participated in massacres in Syria’s Homs and Rojava, the Kurdish name for Syrian Kurdistan or Western Kurdistan.

There is speculation Bilal Erdogan is directly involved in the black market oil business with Islamic State.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 26 Nov 2015 12:47

A member of the expert council of the Russian Oil Industry Union Eldar Kasayev said Islamic State is selling oil at $15–25 per barrel, which is much cheaper than the Brent benchmark, trading at $45-50.


Perhaps some of that is coming to US too.

There was a report earlier that miles and miles long queue of oil tankers were stationed at US gulf port of Galveston, Tx.

As of now US ran out of storage space at on-land storage facilities as well as at sea.

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Postby deejay » 26 Nov 2015 12:58

Satya_anveshi wrote:source: https://www.rt.com/business/323391-isis ... ey-russia/

Turkish social media has posted photos of Turkish President Recep Erdogan’s son Necmettin Bilal having dinner in an Istambul restaurant with an alleged ISIS leader, who it is claimed participated in massacres in Syria’s Homs and Rojava, the Kurdish name for Syrian Kurdistan or Western Kurdistan.

There is speculation Bilal Erdogan is directly involved in the black market oil business with Islamic State.



There is another speculation SA ji.

Billal is no.2 of ISIS and the no. 1 fathered him. Baghdaddy is actually a myth with the real Daddy living in his caliphate palace in Ankara.

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 13:17

habal wrote:grey wolves in latakia yesterday

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Dont know if these are terrorist/jihadis or just ordinary people , In FOG of war the latter mostly takes the brunt.

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 13:19

BTW if Turkey goes inside Iraq to attack the Kurds , then what action have Iraqi airforce taken to stop the Turkey incursion unless they are part of ISIS , Not seem Iraqi making fuss out of it

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 13:24

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Seems like the internal fuel tank of Su-24 is on fire after hit , Thats a huge fireball on its tail

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Postby JTull » 26 Nov 2015 13:26

Mort Walker wrote:
Austin wrote:All bombing mission will get aircover

http://ria.ru/syria_mission/20151126/1328599679.html

MOSCOW, November 26 - RIA Novosti. Russia is considering the possibility to send to the base "Hmeymim" in Syria further 10-12 aircraft and thereby provide cover each of the 24 Russian bombers, the newspaper "Kommersant" on Thursday, citing a source in the operational bodies of military administration.


The Russians will not stay in Syria for too long. It is an expensive deployment in the face of a contracting economy that will detract from protecting Mother Russia.


Russia will not shy away from protracted conflict. They're getting to test and advertise their equipment. Eastern Ukraine is an example of stalemate that suits Russia.

Syria: The gains that Syrian forces are making are useless if they cannot hold onto it. It will not be logical to withdraw if it requires a second visit. Plus it would show a weakness to NATO of Russian inability to sustain a fight.

Mediterranean: Russian has bigger objectives to keep it's naval presence in the Mediterranean. Latakia is at the core of that aim.

Turkey: Controlling flow of oil/gas (stolen or otherwise) to Turkey is important too. It is to Russian's and all of Western Europe's advantage to seal Turkey's borders to south. Only strategic depth Turkey has is NATO. Russia can cause lot of problems for them to the north (Black Sea coastline). So sooner or later Turkey will have to de-escalate.

Oil: Wider conflict will also be good for Russia (and it's friends in Iran) as they'd like higher oil prices. Saudi's will keep pumping even more to try keep it down and keep selling their overseas assets to sustain their expensive habits (no one would love more than Russia and Iran to see Saudi's suffer in the long run). US shale gas companies are going poof faster than ever, so US also would like the conflict to go on to achieve higher prices. Obama is not allowing pipelines from the arctic so Republicans will also keep up the rhetoric to help their friends at Oil companies/defense companies.

US: They're keen to keep Russia occupied at multiple fronts. They know that a lot of military modernisation has taken place in Russia and all fueled by Oil/gas revenues. Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, are all part of the game, besides their aim for Nordic NATO expansion.

This is not going away. I've heard WW3 being mentioned many times in European media. I sincerely hope India can stay neutral.

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 13:31

Deejay, Singha check the video of bomber crew getting rescued , got english subtitles


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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 13:37

I suspect one of the goal of hitting Su-24 was to stop the anti-ISIS campaign of Russia and focus on Turkey-Russia flareup that followed.
Distracting the Russian from their goal and allowing ISIS to regroup and reorganise.

Yesterday CNN Website was like WW3 in the making :lol:

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Postby Singha » 26 Nov 2015 14:09

I had a posted a small set of pix from twitter about bilal erdogan's dinner mates. one photo had a dinner guy sitting over a line of 5 beheaded people.

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Postby JTull » 26 Nov 2015 14:14

I don't think the anti-ISIS campaign is stopping anytime soon. French have joined the action too. But the only direction they can escape is deeper into Iraq (where they can't really hide on the flat lands) or north-west into Turkey (north-east is mostly Kurdish). Russians have been cutting that route out. Seems Erdogan personally has a stake in the ongoing smuggling of people, oil and weapons across that border. By showing his hand, this can end in only one way. Russians are very good at making an example out of those who target their individuals.

Egyptian foreign minister already seems to have thrown his weight behind de-escalation. Israelis have already started wooing Russian tourists.

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 14:17

Satya_anveshi wrote:Perhaps some of that is coming to US too.

There was a report earlier that miles and miles long queue of oil tankers were stationed at US gulf port of Galveston, Tx.

As of now US ran out of storage space at on-land storage facilities as well as at sea.


The Oil that Syria has and ISIS extracts and sells at $15 or $20 is good enough to earn them revenue and their middlemen.

They dont have Oil that can infulence the price of World Oil Market or even help any other country to even meet 10 % of their needs.

You need to be pumping 10 million barrel oil per day to make such infulence like the Saudis or Russia

Russian should just bomb those Oil Depots , Well and Tanker that would pinch ISIS hard slowly though

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Postby Lalmohan » 26 Nov 2015 14:25

the core baathists in daesh will melt away and resurface later for a political settlement, perhaps a new sunni-iraqia merged with sunni-syria into a modern day nabatean people's islamic republic

(alawite peoples republic, shiite peoples republic of iraqia, azad kurdistan, etc.)

all the yahoos will be hunted down on the desert plains and put to the sword as they deserve

ab tera kya hoga erdokalia?


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Postby deejay » 26 Nov 2015 14:29

JTull Ji, the ISIS held territory West of Kobani bordering Turkey is still attracting very little attention from any of the bombing parties. Most of the bombing by Russia is north of Latakia in 'other' rebel held areas though with important truck routes into Turkey. This is also Al Nusra, Al Sham, Jaish al Fateh coalition ,FSA groups territory where the SAA is advancing.

ISIS territory North of Aleppo, West of Kobani (Euphrates) is probably being left by all for the Kurds probably as and when they get green light from Turkey. Till this area is bombed / taken, ISIS support from Turkey goes on un - hindered.

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Austin saar, when looking at Syria / Libya / Yemen conflict videos look for the kind of dead bodies / casualties. If there are no women, children, old men etc, and all casualties are fighting age men, the casualties are most probably combatants either killed while fighting or executed post capture. You may look at other signs like bullet proof vests, ammo pouches, weapons on person etc. to determine if the dead were part of a warring party.

More often than not these videos do show dead combatants. It is anybodies guess if the dead really belong to the group they are being accused to be. Same videos are posted and claimed by multiple groups.

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Postby deejay » 26 Nov 2015 14:31

Lalmohan wrote:the core baathists in daesh will melt away and resurface later for a political settlement, perhaps a new sunni-iraqia merged with sunni-syria into a modern day nabatean people's islamic republic

(alawite peoples republic, shiite peoples republic of iraqia, azad kurdistan, etc.)

all the yahoos will be hunted down on the desert plains and put to the sword as they deserve

ab tera kya hoga erdokalia?


There are pure Baathists group holding territory in Eastern Iraq, sometimes even fighting ISIS but generally staying aloof. This is where the ISIS Baathists are most likely to flee and emerge when the time comes.

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Postby Lalmohan » 26 Nov 2015 14:33

and they'll happily find a new saddam amidst their ranks and rebuild the old model

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Postby Singha » 26 Nov 2015 14:57

the azaz truck hub bombed is the isis belt between kobani and Aleppo. one and only known rus attack in that area so far.

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Postby Multatuli » 26 Nov 2015 15:07

A video showing Tukmen terrorists firing with an MG on the Russian pilots while they come down in their parachutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVwIGVet54#t=84

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 15:09

Russian Deputy PM says Oil Sale to Turkey from Syria by ISIS is at industrial scale running into billions of dollar

Rogozin: revenues from oil supply IG in Syria have caused emergency with Su-24

http://ria.ru/world/20151126/1328884613.html

MOSCOW, November 26 - RIA Novosti. Proceeds from the supply of oil from controlled militants of the terrorist group "Islamic State" (IG) areas of Syria to Turkey accumulate in the accounts of those responsible for the destruction of the Russian Su-24 bombers, said on Thursday, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin during a meeting with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem.

"You know about the reaction of our management, our people in a terrorist act against our Armed Forces who carried out the operation (in Syria - Ed.). It is a sneaky hit in the back in the literal and figurative sense, in relation to our aircraft that participated in the operation on legal bases in Syria and strikes on terrorist group ", - said the deputy chairman of the Russian government.

Rogozin said that in Russia "do not believe in luck." "We see here a direct, vested interest in Turkey is to maintain the status quo, which was formed (in the form of - ed.) The control of" Islamic state "over significant regions, parts of Syria, especially oil-bearing", - said Deputy Prime Minister.

"And we see, in fact, today the supply of petroleum products from Syria to Turkey are already an industrial scale, it is billions of dollars that accumulate in the accounts of specific individuals who gave the order for the destruction of our aircraft,"
- stated Rogozin.

According to the Russian deputy prime minister, "the last few days have shown who is on which side is in this conflict - who only just said that he is involved in the fight against" Islamic state ", but in fact is a direct its patron and indulges his terrorist activities. "

Russian Su-24 crashed in Syria on November 24. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the plane was shot down by a rocket-type "air-air" to the Turkish F-16s over the Syrian territory in Syria and fell four kilometers from the border. The Russian leader called it a "stab in the back" by the accomplices of terrorists. Putin said that the tragedy with the aircraft will have serious consequences for relations between Moscow and Ankara.

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Postby Lalmohan » 26 Nov 2015 15:11

was just thinking of those two bosnian-austrian girls who were beaten to death, wonder how many 'martyred husbands' each of them had to take to jannat each night? wonder how many people they had to kill? never mind saw being killed

incidentally, boko-haram has killed more people than daesh this year...

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Postby Austin » 26 Nov 2015 15:12

So Turkey wants Access to Syrian Oil rather cheaply , So it funds ISIS to maintain control over it.

US does not bomb in one year any oil tanker or storage or oil wells to protect Turkeys interest and not to dilute main source of revenue for ISIS in return ISIS fights against Syrian Army and provide the foot soldiers.

turkey and US happy that its own interest is getting protected


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