Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

Postby Rupesh » 21 Nov 2015 09:32

Link to last post of previous thread

The following links are background material on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://pakistanfailedstate.blogspot.in/

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pak's Continuing War against Indian Civilisation - Tufail Ahmad, Director South Asia Project, MEMRI
http://www.newindianexpress.com/columns ... 949359.ece

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/publications/public ... 6-34.html#

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

A modest proposal from the Brigadier:

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/03/landesman.htm

"We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people......."


Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

Religion as the Foundation of a Nation: The Making and Unmaking of Pakistan - P.K. Upadhyay, IDSA
It probes the religious and sectarian fault-lines in Pakistan in depth to determine their impact on the future of Pakistan.
http://idsa.in/system/files/monograph36.pdf

Ms. Christine Fair's exposition on Pakistan military, society et al. A Must see.
Fighting to the End: Pakistan Army's Way of War

False Equivalency in the "Indo-Pakistan" Dispute - Ms. C. Fair, War on the Rocks, June, 2015

Shia-killing in Pakistan: Background and Predictions - A blog by Omar Ali


PAKISTAN and GENOCIDE:

Image Scan of article on 1971 East Pakistan Genocide by Antony Mascarenhas, Former Asst. Editor, Morning News, Karachi in Sunday Times, London, June 13, 1971

Text scan of the above article on 1971 Genocide

Bangladesh Genocide Archive

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

List of military arms supplied by US to Pakistan since 9/11
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/15/54/62/79/pakist10.jpg

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica. ... _LeT_0.pdf


Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... nthrop.pdf

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

Putting Our Children in Line of Fire - The Nation, January 27, 2013
The above is an admission by Pakistan Army's Top General that it was the Pakistani Army at Kargil, not the mujahideen, and Musharraf was the Culprit

Debate between a Taliban Scholar and a Paki Army Officer


PAKISTAN and NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION:

Pakistani nuclear scientist's accounts tell of Chinese proliferation - R. Jeffrey Smith and Joby Warrick, Washington Post, Nov 13, 2009

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

MISCELLANEOUS

UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup


Christine Fair :Ten fictions that pakistani defense officials love to peddle

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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities


see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.

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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?
Quote:
Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.



Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.


Youtube video: Bilatakalluf with Tahif Gora: Tarek Fateh dissects with Pakjabi society and shows how its war-impotent Army loots the common Pakistani (Jan 13, 2012)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby SSridhar » 21 Nov 2015 11:24

Let me be the first to post in this new incarnation.

Pak writers storm out of Indore Lit Fest - PTI
Enraged by Pakistani-origin Canadian writer Tarek Fatah’s critical remarks about their country, two Pakistani writers on Friday walked out of the inaugural session of the Indore Literary Festival here [Indore].

“Islamic extremism is a problem. If you (writers) have to deal with it, then learn to speak the truth. If you don’t have the courage to speak it, then better sit at your home and sell onions and tomatoes,” Fatah said, addressing the session on ‘Religious Extremism and Contemporary Times’.

“Why Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar stayed in Pakistan? Why Dawood Ibrahim stays in Pakistan? Why doesn’t he stay in Tunisia?” Fatah questioned.

The 65-year-old writer said that after Partition, Gujarati, Kacchi, Sindhi and Balochi languages were “killed” in Karachi.

“Today in this city (Karachi) neither a single Gujarati writer is present nor is there any (Gujarati) newspaper... Parsis and Bohras have left the city permanently,” he said.

“In India, States were created on the basis of language. But in our country, Pakistan, ban was imposed on Sindhi, Gujarati, Balochi and Pashto. Even a majority community language, Bengali, was banned,” he said.

Urdu, which was born in India and had nothing to do with Pakistan, was imposed on Pakistanis, Fatah said, adding that Punjabi writers in Pakistan are forced to write in English.

However, Fatah’s remarks did not go down well with Pakistani critic Mubin Mirza and poet Ambreen Haseeb, both of whom staged a walk-out from the venue.

“He (Fatah) came here to spread hatred against Pakistan. Just because of one Mullah Omar or Osama bin Laden, he cannot describe all the Pakistanis as terrorists :rotfl: . This is not fair. If he speaks against Pakistan, we will protest,” Mirza said.

Dismissing the charge of killing local languages, Mirza said: “Three Gujarati newspapers are published from Karachi. Sindhi and Punjabi newspapers too are published. The writers in Karachi are running a campaign to promote different mother tongues.”

Ambreen also expressed strong displeasure over Fatah’s speech. “Things will not be resolved by abusing each other. We have not arrived here to listen to abuse,” she said.

Both of them later agreed not to boycott the festival. The festival will continue till November 22. -- PTI

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby SSridhar » 21 Nov 2015 11:52

CRS, the below is of interest to you.

An arrangement gone awry - G.Viswanath, The Hindu
The quid pro quo arrangement between the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to resume cricketing ties, and nip in the bud a potential rival axis around the allegedly divisive controversial ICC revamp structure last year, has resulted in a shrill quarrel between the two Boards on the issue of where the teams will play.

While the PCB chairman Shahryar Khan has been screaming that the two-Test and five-ODI series has to be played in the United Arab Emirates, the BCCI president Shashank Manohar has sent feelers to his counterpart to revert with a clear answer of the readiness to play at venues in India that do not include cities in Western India, especially in Maharashtra. The two Boards are expected to meet in Dubai, thrash out differences and announce where the series will be played (if at all).

The give-and-take bargain happened because Pakistan was assumed to be part of a group in which South Africa was another significant player. Both were opposed to the proposed ICC reform of governance and financial models that gave executive powers to BCCI, Cricket Australia and England and Wales Cricket Board and a bigger share of ICC revenues for an eight-year period.

People, who followed the developments that took place last year, feel that the proposal to revive cricketing ties between the two countries was an offer PCB found hard to resist and it backed the BCCI, though N. Srinivasan was not discharging the duties of president.

This bargain enabled the BCCI, ECB and CA get the mandate and resolutions were passed at the ICC Board meeting in February 2014. Thereafter Srinivasan became the first chairman of the ICC at its annual conference at Melbourne.

But with the BCCI administration going out of Srinivasan’s control, the PCB is being forced to deal with Manohar
, who perhaps surprised everyone at the AGM recently by announcing his intention to go ahead with the series but not in the UAE. Not surprisingly, his counterpart has been harping on the point that the MoU, with UAE as the venue, should take precedence. Shahryar Khan has said there is no justification behind asking Pakistan to play in India and there is no security issue involved if the teams play in the UAE.

The MoU for 2015-23 is for six tours comprising 14 Test matches, 30 ODIs and 12 T20Is. The Pakistan Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan has said that Pakistan should not tour India at any cost but the final decision will be taken by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Cricketers like Javed Miandad and Shahid Afridi have also said that PCB should stop talking to the BCCI about the series. From the Indian side, the BCCI secretary has often said that the “time is not conducive” for a series.

When Atal Bihari Vajpayee was the Prime Minister, he told the then BCCI president Raj Singh Dungarpur that India must host a series against Pakistan in 1999, even if matches had to be played in an empty stadium. Many Indian players, then playing in New Zealand, were not keen on but the BCCI was ready to pick a team nonetheless. Shahryar Khan was the manager of the Pakistan team then.

In a couple of days time the BCCI and PCB will decide where the action will take place and the ICC chairman Manohar, who will be in Dubai from Friday, would have probably got the message from the Indian government.


Pakistan has England support: Shahryar - The Hindu
Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Shahryar Khan said on Friday that England supported the resumption of ties between India and Pakistan stalled for seven years due to strained relations.

Shahryar said the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) president Giles Clarke, too, supported the series. “Clarke believes that a Pakistan-India series is vital for the game and he is also talking to the BCCI chief. I have told him that he doesn’t need to convince us, only the BCCI.”

The PCB chief said there was no meeting scheduled with BCCI president Shashank Manohar, also the new chairman of the ICC, who has already landed here. “I have no meeting scheduled with him, but if he asks for one, then we can meet,” said Shahryar.


When the ECB President says that an India-Pakistan series is 'vital for the game', we do understand, don't we? So, it has nothing to do with nationalism, terrorsim, H&D etc. It is purely money, power and influence !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby partha » 21 Nov 2015 11:59

SSji,

2 WTFs in that Indore Lit Fest news:

1) Lit Fest (nothing to do with literature but everything to do with politics) disease is spreading to tier-2 cities like Indore.
2) Pakis are getting visas to visit cities like Indore. What next? A visa to freely travel anywhere in India? They will start demanding this soon.

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Postby SSridhar » 21 Nov 2015 12:06

partha, the Aman-ki-Asha American influence intrudes far and wide. Hence, the LitFests all over the country, invitations to Pakistanis and a forum where 'intolerance' and 'small heart' of certain people can be bandied about. Tarek Fatah has fired the first salvo in another direction. Let us wait for other salvos to appear.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby deejay » 21 Nov 2015 12:38

SSridhar wrote:...
An arrangement gone awry - G.Viswanath, The Hindu
The quid pro quo arrangement between the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to resume cricketing ties, and nip in the bud a potential rival axis around the allegedly divisive controversial ICC revamp structure last year, has resulted in a shrill quarrel between the two Boards on the issue of where the teams will play.

While the PCB chairman Shahryar Khan has been screaming that the two-Test and five-ODI series has to be played in the United Arab Emirates, the BCCI president Shashank Manohar has sent feelers to his counterpart to revert with a clear answer of the readiness to play at venues in India that do not include cities in Western India, especially in Maharashtra. The two Boards are expected to meet in Dubai, thrash out differences and announce where the series will be played (if at all).

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Specific to this and also for other ulterior motives I suggest the following venues for Pakistan:
1) Patna 2) Muzaffarpur 3) Darbhanga 4) Bhagalpur 5) Gaya 6) Kishanganj 7) Siwan

I will not explain my reasons to avoid a permanent ban... From my side the Pakis are welcome to play at these venues. The GOI should insist on BCCI to take these venues seriously and apart from Patna at least construct a bamboo barrier to demarcate the ground from the fields.

P.S. Deep apologies for the post, I just couldn't resist.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby wig » 21 Nov 2015 13:41

Mob torches factory in Pakistan following blasphemy accusation
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 870784.cms
lahore: An angry mob in Pakistan's Punjab province torched a factory after one of its employees was accused of committing blasphemy, police officials said on Saturday. .
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Hundreds of people surrounded a chipboard factory in Jehlum city on Friday night and set the facility ablaze after reports surfaced that one employee had allegedly desecrated the Quran. .
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"The incident took place after we arrested the head of security at the factory, Qamar Ahmed Tahir, for complaints that he ordered the burning of Qurans," Adnan Malik, a senior police official in the area, said. .
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Blasphemy is a hugely sensitive issue in Pakistan, an Islamic republic of some 200 million, where even unproven allegations frequently stir mob violence and lynchings. .
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Critics including European governments say the country's blasphemy laws are often misused to settle personal scores. .
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According to police, another employee at the factory had reported that Tahir was overseeing the burning of Qurans in the facility's boiler and intervened to stop the act. .
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"We registered a blasphemy case against Tahir, who is Ahmadi by faith, and arrested him after confiscating the burnt material, which also included copies of the Quran," Malik said. .
Following the arrest, a mob reportedly descended on the factory, setting it alight.
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A spokesman for the local Ahmadi community said three of their members were arrested in the incident's wake.
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"Three members of our community have been arrested by police under the charges of blasphemy. There is an accusation of burning the pages of the Quran," Saleem Ud Din told AFP.
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Ahmadis were declared non-Muslims by the Pakistani government in 1974 because of their belief in a prophet after Muhammad. They are frequent victims of discrimination and violent assaults, but it is rare for suspects to be convicted for attacks against them.
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Eleven members of the sect were murdered for their faith in 2014 and authorities failed to apprehend any of the killers, a report said in April, highlighting growing intolerance toward the sect.


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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

Postby Peregrine » 21 Nov 2015 15:28

Enough PhD’s, thank you - PERVEZ HOODBHOY

The True face of the state of Higher Education in the Land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorist
Still more radical therapy may be needed. As with a driving licence, all PhD degrees (including my own) should be de-recognised every 10 years, and re-recognised only after passing a literacy test in that particular discipline. Administered by some trustable overseas organisation, the written test should be at the level of an undergraduate examination equivalent to that taken by students after their first year of studies at a good foreign university. Will this reduce our current PhD population by 50 per cent? Eighty per cent?

No country becomes wealthy by printing a mountain of paper currency. And no university system becomes better by dishing out substandard PhD degrees, or by accepting vacuous research papers as valid. Instead, the way forward lies in adhering to strict ethical standards, cultivating excellence, rejecting mediocrity, and nurturing a spirit of inquiry and intellectual excitement.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Gagan » 21 Nov 2015 16:00

deejay wrote:Specific to this and also for other ulterior motives I suggest the following venues for Pakistan:
1) Patna 2) Muzaffarpur 3) Darbhanga 4) Bhagalpur 5) Gaya 6) Kishanganj 7) Siwan

P.S. Deep apologies for the post, I just couldn't resist.

Wouldn't it be fun for them to catch the metre gauge train from Samastipur to Darbhanga? They'll feel right at home!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 21 Nov 2015 16:05

Eight including four terrorists killed in Karachi

from the same paper here is another one

Four Rangers personnel gunned down in Karachi

Looks like Karachi has turned into organized gang war between state sponsored and non state terrorists

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby SSridhar » 21 Nov 2015 16:07

Pakistan in no mood to grant MFN status to India yet - PTI
There is no proposal under consideration to give India the Most Favoured Nation status, Pakistan Commerce Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan has said.

The Minister said this in the National Assembly on Friday while responding to a question.


He said the “existence of a negative list was a clear indication that the MFN status had not been given to India”, Dawn reported.

Mr. Khan also said that since Modi government took over in 2014, no bilateral trade talks had taken place.

About non-tariff barriers, he said that these were dealt with on a case-to-case basis with India.

He said the positive list had been transformed into the negative list, adding that 150 Indian items were being imported through the Wagah border.

“There must be a debate in this House on whether we want to link trade with security issues of Pakistan.” {How many times would they debate the same issue?}

The Minister said that being a member of the World Trade Organisation, Pakistan raised its security concerns at international forums when it came to trade with India.

India granted the MFN status to Pakistan in 1996 but Pakistan is yet to reciprocate.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby SSridhar » 21 Nov 2015 17:20

Pakistan calls off meeting of Indo-Pak business forum on security grounds; jittery after anti-Pak protests - Pranab Dhal Samanta
Pakistan has called off the meeting of the Indo-Pak business forum later this month in Delhi on "security grounds", fearing that its high-profile business delegates could be targeted by right-wing groups. Officially, the Nawaz Sharif government has asked for a postponement for now, with fresh dates yet to be finalised, people aware of the matter told ET.

The business forum, which was to meet from November 30 to December 2, comprises 15 prominent business leaders from both countries.

The forum is headed by Hero Moto-Corp's Sunil Kant Munjal on the Indian side and Nestle's Syed Yawar Ali from the Pakistani side. This was to be the sixth meeting of the forum set up in 2012 by both governments to expand bilateral business ties.

The decision to call off the meeting comes in the backdrop of Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit's remark on Wednesday to the Federation of Indian Export Organisations that "economic ties are bound to hit snags perennially in an unpredictable political environment".

While neither side wanted to get drawn into making a public comment, government officials said that Pakistan has been gradually trying to build on a "perceived narrative of intolerance" as a response to India's diplomatic offensive on its lack of action against India-specific terror groups.

Pakistan, on the other hand, believes that the Indian government is making it difficult to progress on any bilateral agenda by repeatedly taking the hard line. India's recent decision against holding the Indo-Pak cricket series in the United Arab Emirates got Pakistan quite worked up since cricket boards on both sides had a written understanding.

While this quarrel is still on, Pakistan has extended an invitation to External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj to attend a regional conference on Afghanistan, which the Pakistan side feels is a gesture to show its willingness to take on board an Indian view on the future of Afghanistan. India, however, is yet to confirm Swaraj's participation.

On cricket, the Board of Control for Cricket in India is said to be willing to work out a compensation amount per match if Pakistan agrees to hold its home series on Indian soil. The Pakistan Cricket Board, on the other hand, has asked India to consider alternative countries as venue


India should scrap this arrangement permanently. While at it, GoI must cancel visas of all Pakistani artistes, workers, newsmen here and ask them to go back citing the 'security concerns' of their own government

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby deejay » 21 Nov 2015 18:04

Gagan wrote:
deejay wrote:Specific to this and also for other ulterior motives I suggest the following venues for Pakistan:
1) Patna 2) Muzaffarpur 3) Darbhanga 4) Bhagalpur 5) Gaya 6) Kishanganj 7) Siwan

P.S. Deep apologies for the post, I just couldn't resist.

Wouldn't it be fun for them to catch the metre gauge train from Samastipur to Darbhanga? They'll feel right at home!


Shite! That meter gauge is gone! Hard roller used. But it will be a home series anyways.

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Postby CRamS » 21 Nov 2015 19:45

SSridhar wrote:CRS, the below is of interest to you.

An arrangement gone awry - G.Viswanath, The Hindu

When the ECB President says that an India-Pakistan series is 'vital for the game', we do understand, don't we? So, it has nothing to do with nationalism, terrorsim, H&D etc. It is purely money, power and influence !


SSJi, this was exactly the line I was highlighting when the discussion turned ugly all because one piskologsgist with a lot of time on his hands and some gripe with me started ranting away that this whole thing is a lie, and I wanted to discuss cricket etc.

My question to you is this. Where is ModiJi in all this? To me, the most pernicious aspect of the kirket tamasha is that it sweeps all of TSP's crimes under the rug and it trivializes India's terror concerns visa vi TSP.

Last night I caught few mins of a love fest between Thappad, mad dog Aiyar, Satya Pal, and two Paki diplomats. I could not believe that there was unanimous agreement that "terror" is one of the issues to be discussed and should not be held hostage to "areas of mutual concern". And India seeking to discuss terror up and center is putting the cart before the horse. And hence ModiJi is an "extremist". And mind you, this was the position of the 3 "Indians". So you get the drift.

With Kirket resuming and hordes of Indian Bhjrangi Bhaijaan eunuchs going berserk, and DDM harping on India TSP love fest, the entire edifice that ModiJi has been building to put TSP on the dock on terror will collapse in a heart beat. TSPA/ISI will be the big winner. Remember, they are in it for the long haul. They may temporarily and opportunistically hold back pigLeTs given their current predicament while kirket goes on, but they have not shown any indication of eschewing terror as an instrument of state policy. Thus at some opportune moment, they will strike, and when tensions rise thereafter, all the frauds pushing this kirket will then cite the very same theme, and we are back to square one.
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Postby jash_p » 21 Nov 2015 19:47

CRS, the below is of interest to you.

An arrangement gone awry - G.Viswanath, The Hindu
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The quid pro quo arrangement between the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to resume cricketing ties, and nip in the bud a potential rival axis around the allegedly divisive controversial ICC revamp structure last year, has resulted in a shrill quarrel between the two Boards on the issue of where the teams will play.

While the PCB chairman Shahryar Khan has been screaming that the two-Test and five-ODI series has to be played in the United Arab Emirates, the BCCI president Shashank Manohar has sent feelers to his counterpart to revert with a clear answer of the readiness to play at venues in India that do not include cities in Western India, especially in Maharashtra. The two Boards are expected to meet in Dubai, thrash out differences and announce where the series will be played (if at all).

The give-and-take bargain happened because Pakistan was assumed to be part of a group in which South Africa was another significant player. Both were opposed to the proposed ICC reform of governance and financial models that gave executive powers to BCCI, Cricket Australia and England and Wales Cricket Board and a bigger share of ICC revenues for an eight-year period.

People, who followed the developments that took place last year, feel that the proposal to revive cricketing ties between the two countries was an offer PCB found hard to resist and it backed the BCCI, though N. Srinivasan was not discharging the duties of president.

This bargain enabled the BCCI, ECB and CA get the mandate and resolutions were passed at the ICC Board meeting in February 2014. Thereafter Srinivasan became the first chairman of the ICC at its annual conference at Melbourne.

But with the BCCI administration going out of Srinivasan’s control, the PCB is being forced to deal with Manohar, who perhaps surprised everyone at the AGM recently by announcing his intention to go ahead with the series but not in the UAE. Not surprisingly, his counterpart has been harping on the point that the MoU, with UAE as the venue, should take precedence. Shahryar Khan has said there is no justification behind asking Pakistan to play in India and there is no security issue involved if the teams play in the UAE.

The MoU for 2015-23 is for six tours comprising 14 Test matches, 30 ODIs and 12 T20Is. The Pakistan Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan has said that Pakistan should not tour India at any cost but the final decision will be taken by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Cricketers like Javed Miandad and Shahid Afridi have also said that PCB should stop talking to the BCCI about the series. From the Indian side, the BCCI secretary has often said that the “time is not conducive” for a series.

When Atal Bihari Vajpayee was the Prime Minister, he told the then BCCI president Raj Singh Dungarpur that India must host a series against Pakistan in 1999, even if matches had to be played in an empty stadium. Many Indian players, then playing in New Zealand, were not keen on but the BCCI was ready to pick a team nonetheless. Shahryar Khan was the manager of the Pakistan team then.

In a couple of days time the BCCI and PCB will decide where the action will take place and the ICC chairman Manohar, who will be in Dubai from Friday, would have probably got the message from the Indian government.


Pakistan has England support: Shahryar - The Hindu
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Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Shahryar Khan said on Friday that England supported the resumption of ties between India and Pakistan stalled for seven years due to strained relations.

Shahryar said the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) president Giles Clarke, too, supported the series. “Clarke believes that a Pakistan-India series is vital for the game and he is also talking to the BCCI chief. I have told him that he doesn’t need to convince us, only the BCCI.”

The PCB chief said there was no meeting scheduled with BCCI president Shashank Manohar, also the new chairman of the ICC, who has already landed here. “I have no meeting scheduled with him, but if he asks for one, then we can meet,” said Shahryar.


When the ECB President says that an India-Pakistan series is 'vital for the game', we do understand, don't we? So, it has nothing to do with nationalism, terrorsim, H&D etc. It is purely money, power and influence !





A paki told me that after ganja met Obama and complained that India even don't play innocent games like cricket so uncle asked Modi to talk and strategy was choke out where Pakis will play cricket in India and Ganja will come to watch and cricket diplomacy will start.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Gagan » 21 Nov 2015 19:47

The pakistanis are laying sullen victims with India these days. There is a notable change in their behavior with India.
They do this with their four-fathers, play the victim, to try and extract more concessions.

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Postby CRamS » 21 Nov 2015 19:49

jash_p wrote:

A paki told me that after ganja met Obama and complained that India even don't play innocent games like cricket so uncle asked Modi to talk sand strategy was choke out where Pakis will play cricket in India and Ganja will come to watch and cricket diplomacy will start.


And ModiJi will fall for this crap? I hope not.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Gagan » 21 Nov 2015 19:58

We have to edit the four-father diagnosis of the Pakistanis.
We have to add the Congress I as a four-father of Pakistan. They are giving that artificial entity, political, moral support, the oxygen to not just survive, but flourish!
Congress probably also gives them economic support by using dawood's hawala channels. Cricket with them and sharing revenues with them is also an economic lifeline to them.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 21 Nov 2015 20:05

Well cricket fans will always win in India, whether India wins or not...Cricket with Pakistan is a big money puller because some Cricket fans believe that Cricket is an important international issue between India and Pakistan.

And CRamS believes that Pakistan will get pauper-ed by not coming to India to play cricket. So Cricket is an important geopolitical issue that has to be dealt with by Modi himself. Modi must answer! Oh I am sure we will have an answer soon and we can wait for Pakistan to collapse because of the control India has over the country.

Waiting. Bored by cricket and angry fans. But waiting..

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Postby shiv » 21 Nov 2015 20:23

Indian Cricket fans do feel that a match win over Pakistan proves Indian superiority over Pakistan in all respects. And Pakistanis see a win over India as proof of their superiority. The people who make money out of cricket (which I hope does not include the current government) are quite happy with this situation and ensure that cricket is seen and heard in every public space, forum and medium so that Cricket fans can keep up their agonizing tension relating to their favourite sport.

Of course all it does is equal equal. Indian golfers, shooters and badminton players, and even tennis where "our" star is married to a Paki does not appear on here. Sports in which Pakistan comes nowhere near India are not discussed on here, and cultural events where Pakistanis come to India are largely not even reported in the media because there is no money in them. But cricket? It disgusts me to see the media calling cricket a "religion" in India, but I have to swallow my disgust because the proof is there for everyone to see. The death of a colonel featured prominently in the media but found passing mention in the military forum on BRF. Cricket fans do not give a damn - and their needs are fulfilled by the media who have a hand in cricket fans pockets.

So we are discussing cricket here, brought into prominence by CRamS whose main contribution to this thread other than cricket was whining about why India can't be like the US, able to twirl Pakistan around its little finger and make Pakistan do what it wants. Now cricket is mainstream. Over here

Why? Because India has the power to make pakis paupers by not playing cricket. And it is so important that Modi neds to step in. And is this a rant? Yes. Is CRamS referring to me as "piskologist"? Possibly. But he does not seem to have the guts to refer to me directly if it is me that he is referring to. Boss. Thanks for taking the trouble to post a few token non cricket non whining posts. i would like to see more. Being angry with me for calling out your proclivities is your prerogative and I cannot advise you on that count. But you are a die hard cricket fan trying to make cricket an important issue on this forum by some fake extrapolations. Sadly you have the support of other Indian cricket fans when you talk about cricket. But not my support.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby deejay » 21 Nov 2015 20:47

There was a time in the mid - late 80's when I heard the names of Jahangir Khan and Jansher Khan, the great Paki squash players. I also knew the entire Paki team in hockey right up till the time of Shahbaz Ahmed. Paki fast swing bowlers were major point of discussion in the cricket fan groups.

Today, I am not sure of the Paki cricket team, often confusing as to who is retired, who is in jail, who converted, who bit the ball or who defected to UK.

Pakistan, as a country has stopped the pursuit of excellence in all creative / value addition to society area. Their pursuits of excellence in Bum Baazi / Baccha Baazi / Coup Baazi / Donkey - Goat meat and meet etc gets little global attention.

Cricket is the only thing (to my knowledge) where the hangover of excellence (to whatever levels) remains for them to announce to the world. Cricket with India is definitely not just about money to them but their last claim in the international world of being a society which is part of 'civilized' world.

It is in our interest to ignore them and show absolutely no interest in that skill. It is in their interest that we keep talking about their legendary Swing Bowling.

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Postby CRamS » 21 Nov 2015 21:11

deejay wrote:
It is in our interest to ignore them and show absolutely no interest in that skill. It is in their interest that we keep talking about their legendary Swing Bowling.


Another good reason to shun the MoFos.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 21 Nov 2015 21:27

CRamS wrote:Another good reason to shun the MoFos.

Appreciate the emotion, even if faux. But not talking about Pakis at all except to highlight their negative points would help that cause more than drawing attention to negotiations between cricket boards and whining about mistakes being made by Indian cricket authorities while demanding that the Indian PM must intervene.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby ArmenT » 21 Nov 2015 22:50

Gagan wrote:
deejay wrote:Specific to this and also for other ulterior motives I suggest the following venues for Pakistan:
1) Patna 2) Muzaffarpur 3) Darbhanga 4) Bhagalpur 5) Gaya 6) Kishanganj 7) Siwan

P.S. Deep apologies for the post, I just couldn't resist.

Wouldn't it be fun for them to catch the metre gauge train from Samastipur to Darbhanga? They'll feel right at home!

Been there, done that. Brought back a lot of good memories of that trip. Are you guys from that area then?

/I'm not from that area, but I have family in Darbhanga town

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Postby CRamS » 21 Nov 2015 22:54

Even the evil reveal immutable truths

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/isl ... MBNcI.html

Interesting interplay between Pakis and ISIS. Wonder how far this will go. Of course, ISI is too smart to let ISIS get any headway in Kashmir or in TSP, because that will invite western wrath and will be the end of their terrorist trump card against India, unless of course TSP manages ISIS only to be a target against India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Karan M » 21 Nov 2015 23:03

wig wrote:Mob torches factory in Pakistan following blasphemy accusation
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 870784.cms
lahore: An angry mob in Pakistan's Punjab province torched a factory after one of its employees was accused of committing blasphemy, police officials said on Saturday. .


I am told the Holy Quran is being desecrated daily at PAC Kamra. Is anyone listening. :eek:

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Postby CRamS » 22 Nov 2015 03:20

Guys, there are elements in this report that I sort of laughed it, with BCCI hitting out at TSP's H&D and questioning its 3.5 like UK. But I am still mystified at why BCCI is so keen on resumption of kirket and where ModiJi and Indian govt stand in all this. After all, Indian govt's stand has been no kirket till TSP address terror, and so if India's govt has given the go ahead which is a reasonable guess given BCCI's brazenness to resume kirket, then govt of India must clarify what TSP has done on the terror front to address India's concerns to warrant this largess. Awaiting dorky's show on TimesNow to get some answers :-)

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/in ... 151121.htm


"If PCB makes Lahore a safe venue by constructing a team hotel near it and by providing adequate security than India will have no objection to playing in Lahore," he said.

But Shukla than clarified that India would be willing to play in Lahore if Pakistan gave the International Cricket Council proper security assurances and other member boards also had no objections to play there.


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Postby A_Gupta » 22 Nov 2015 04:40

^^^₹ ₹ ₹ ₹ ₹ ₹ ₹ ₹

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby nachiket » 22 Nov 2015 04:56

CRamS wrote:Guys, there are elements in this report that I sort of laughed it, with BCCI hitting out at TSP's H&D and questioning its 3.5 like UK. But I am still mystified at why BCCI is so keen on resumption of kirket and where ModiJi and Indian govt stand in all this. After all, Indian govt's stand has been no kirket till TSP address terror, and so if India's govt has given the go ahead which is a reasonable guess given BCCI's brazenness to resume kirket, then govt of India must clarify what TSP has done on the terror front to address India's concerns to warrant this largess. Awaiting dorky's show on TimesNow to get some answers :-)

Seriously? Beyond, $$$$, what more reason do they need? They aren't a govt. department. They are no different from any other Indian company doing business in/with pakistan. Besides, the buck stops with cricket fans. If BCCI didn't think there would be enough people who'd pay to watch the series, they wouldn't be interested.

As for Modi ji and Indian govt., they don;t come into the picture till the BCCI officially asks for their permission. Till then why would they even speak about this issue? They have better things to do.

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Postby CRamS » 22 Nov 2015 05:08

nachiketJi, I respectfully disagree. If a company doing business with a country X is not in country's national security interests, govt should step in. There is that Lakshman Rekha is it not? So govt of India can and should step in and ask BCCI to stop this kirket nonsense, assuming of course all this circus is BCCI's autonomous decision. And furthermore, govt should take people into confidence and explain its decision. And if it does that, it will garner more support besides its core base. I am sure there have been instances where Indian companies are barred from doing business if national security interests are at risk. In US, govt issues a list of countries, Iran, NK etc, with whom doing business is restricted.

But I completely and overwhelmingly agree with you that the buck stops with the fans, and I am not one of them even though I am a kirket fan in general. In fact, if there is kirket with TSP, I will tell my family that the India package that we subscribe to that includes WillowTV kirket will be cancelled, period. I can do that much.

A_GuptaJi, what is your point?

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Postby A_Gupta » 22 Nov 2015 05:23

Same as Nachiket's.

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Postby Gagan » 22 Nov 2015 05:29

AoA everyone
But India playing in Lawhore will mean rehabilitating the haramzada terrorists in the cricketing world.
This after ISPR has instructed their media to disparage the Prime Minister of India in the most brazen, uncouth way.
This after the terrorists ran away from the NSA level talks, after their dossier haramigiri bulshit, after continued terrorist incidents in J&K, and now acting smart and showing their pakistaniyat in general at every available oppertunity when visiting India.

I will be very surprised if there is any cricket with in this atmosphere. Badmash's 4 point piss plan was dismissed away by ther FM the next day.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Gagan » 22 Nov 2015 05:32

GoI needs to ignore the scumbags. GoI has a hazaar better and more important things to do!

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Postby CRamS » 22 Nov 2015 06:13

Gagan wrote:GoI needs to ignore the scumbags. GoI has a hazaar better and more important things to do!


They should definitely ignore the Paki scum bags, no doubt about it, but BCCI, they should not ignore, especially if BCCI is acting autonomously on resuming kirket, and govt of India continues to feel that TSP has not done enough on addressing India's concerns on the terror front.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby habal » 22 Nov 2015 07:20

already one page has gone by on 'how We should ignore pakistan'.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 22 Nov 2015 07:37

CRamS wrote:nachiketJi, I respectfully disagree. If a company doing business with a country X is not in country's national security interests, govt should step in. There is that Lakshman Rekha is it not?

This is CRamS tired old excuse to talk about cricket. The logic he has used time and again is that the US government steps in to prevents private American companies from doing business with countries like Iran and NoKo so GoI must be like US. CRamS has repeatedly pointed out that the US, because of such robust practices, controls Pakistan and directs Pakistan to do whatever the US wants, and that India should be like the US. And, to continue the arguments made in the last few pages of the old thread - CRamS himself, living in the US feels so secure and sees no threat at all from IS and they only threat they felt was the risk of a tornado so they had to hide in their basements out of fear of mother nature rather than IS.

CRamS's viewpoint is that his country, the USA, is safe because of the way the US government prevents any dealings with enemy states and controls rogue states and that Indian incompetence shows when Indians fail to deal with Pakistan the way the US efficiently deals with its foes and problem states - making bad weather the only real risk faced by Americans such as himself. So unless the Prime Minister of India intervenes with a private sports body to scotch all talk of cricket with Pakistan, it is a "puzzling" (to CRamS) indicator of how Indian entities are not ruthless and efficient like America. Modi (that tinpot leader of a turd world state) will have to be accounatble for cricket played with Pakistan - the real reason for the terror that India faces.

[SNIP - this part sent to pakistan]
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 22 Nov 2015 07:42

CRamS wrote:
Gagan wrote:GoI needs to ignore the scumbags. GoI has a hazaar better and more important things to do!


They should definitely ignore the Paki scum bags, no doubt about it, but BCCI, they should not ignore, especially if BCCI is acting autonomously on resuming kirket, and govt of India continues to feel that TSP has not done enough on addressing India's concerns on the terror front.

This comes from living in the US and maintaining a peripheral interest in India because of cricket - <SNIP>.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Prem » 22 Nov 2015 07:43

http://www.dawn.com/news/1221359/signal ... washington
Signals from Washington

The official White House readout on Gen Sharif’s meeting with US Vice President Joe Biden referred to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s breakfast meeting with Mr Biden on Oct 22 and seemed to suggest that this week’s visit was a follow-up. But such elliptical messages can only go so far. A far more powerful signal would have been sent if the two trips had been merged and the prime minister and army chief travelled to the US together. While there may be problems of protocol with a joint trip and Gen Sharif has specialised military issues to discuss with his American counterparts, a joint set of meetings would have signalled that the civilian set-up is not considered peripheral to national security and foreign policy it is likely that the results of the discussions will start to be felt in the weeks and months ahead. Most obviously, given the uptick in activity surrounding the resumption of stalled talks in Afghanistan, there could be some kind of fresh push for peace negotiations. With the Pakistani state having demonstrated its bona fides when it comes to making talks a possibility, perhaps it is time for the outside powers to take Pakistan’s concerns more seriously. While Afghan President Ashraf Ghani still appears to be a potentially credible peace partner, Pakistan has legitimate complaints when it comes to the actions and rhetoric of the more hawkish elements in the Afghan state apparatus. From better border management to curbing the activities of anti-Pakistan militants in Afghanistan.


(IMHO, Just Four MI35 Chopper to Afghan forces by India have taken the air out of Gasbag Mucchar Sharief. He is aware that Indians will rebuild Afghan Air, land force etc very fast under Modi administration)


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Prem » 22 Nov 2015 08:26

ISLAMABAD: Inferior Minister, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Saturday said that the procedure being followed to deport Pakistanis is tantamount to degrading humanity and an insult for Pakistani nationals.In a statement, Chaudhry Nisar expressed his dismay over the way Pakistanis were being deported, saying the relevant laws and agreements were not being followed in this regard.“Performance of some of the embassies is very disappointing viz a viz deportation of Pakistanis,” he amented.Chaudhry Nisar said the Interior Ministry has dispatched a communiqué to IOM, asking them to get clearance from the Interior Ministry before deporting Pakistanis.He said Pakistanis were deported from European countries in the past week without any advance information.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-20493 ... aws:-Nisar


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