Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Dec 2015 18:27

jash_p wrote:In Paki newspapers comments are coming as it is false story and says that it is planted by Uncle to malign good Paki name. I am sure on paki news channels expert will come out with same opinion.

Not sure why they are reporting it at all. They can pretend it never happened

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 18:34

These two had cameras on their dressess when they were killing people.
Wonder if those cameras recorded things, and wonder if the police will ever release the pictures.
The terrorists house is an IED factory ! These people were making bombs out of radio controlled toys.
The guy went to KSA about 6 months ago, came back with his wife, started growing a beard.

Possible ISIS angle?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 18:37

Or maybe the guy went to Pakistan and attended a daura-e-khas course, by ISI/LET

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 03 Dec 2015 18:49

What's happening to the intolerance now?

habal · Post by **habal** » 03 Dec 2015 18:57

they breed these snakes to bite others, sometimes the snakes bite he who feeds it.

meaning: yeh, ghar ka mamla hain
or
state dept mouthpiece:islam stands for peace, islam says killing 1 is like killing humanity.

hidden meaning: ab aur bahut kaam nikalwane hain ein mussalon se

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Dec 2015 19:04

So Gagan broke the news accurately

. I can't wait to see what the motive was. There was a lot of preparation and his wife was as p!ssed off as he was (or was she brainwashed?), so I have a feeling its not work place violence, i.e., it was not one of those losing temper because something happened yesterday.

Any implications of this on India-US-TSP triangle? I doubt it. First of all, other than having TSP terrorist genes, this guy was raised here. Plus, TSP will "condemn" this and offer any gubo cooperation US demands. So net effect will be zero on TSP. Like Faizal Shehzaad, had this guy been from TSP, and gone to TSP for indoctrination etc, we would have seen more focus on TSP.

I saw a report that he went to Saudi Arabia and grew a beard after coming back. So there may still be a "visit to TSP" connection unearthed.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 03 Dec 2015 19:32

CRamS wrote:So Gagan broke the news accurately . I can't wait to see what the motive was. There was a lot of preparation and his wife was as p!ssed off as he was (or was she brainwashed?), so I have a feeling its not work place violence, i.e., it was not one of those losing temper because something happened yesterday.

Any implications of this on India-US-TSP triangle? I doubt it. First of all, other than having TSP terrorist genes, this guy was raised here. Plus, TSP will "condemn" this and offer any gubo cooperation US demands. So net effect will be zero on TSP. Like Faizal Shehzaad, had this guy been from TSP, and gone to TSP for indoctrination etc, we would have seen more focus on TSP.

I saw a report that he went to Saudi Arabia and grew a beard after coming back. So there may still be a "visit to TSP" connection unearthed.

In the press conference the police chief said he was quite sure it was pre-planned, as it is unlikely that someone would go back after a workplace quarrel and come back with full tactical gear, IEDs, and multiple guns and so on.

There is no information as of Tuesday night PST about identity of victims, or testimony of survivors. Apparently law enforcers were too busy getting the IEDs in the conference room deactivated, to even take out the bodies.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 03 Dec 2015 19:33

Pakistan sends back plane with 30 'illegal deportees' from Greece
ISLAMABAD: Pakistani authorities on Thursday sent back an airplane with deported migrants from Greece after the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) found 30 passengers on board to have been illegally deported from the European country.

On the orders of Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, the FIA had stopped the 'unverified deportees' from disembarking from the plane after it landed at Islamabad's Benazir Bhutto International airport earlier today.

The interior ministry said that Greek authorities had not provided proper documented proof of the passengers on board the charter flight being Pakistani citizens, and that it would not allow them to enter the country if their citizenship could not be confirmed.

But after thorough verification of travel and citizenship documents, the FIA allowed 19 of the 49 passengers on board to disembark, sending the aircraft with the 30 illegally deported people back to Greece.

"Despite having settled all issues with the European Commissioner, Pakistani laws have been violated, which absolutely cannot be allowed," Khan said.

The EU mission in Pakistan had no immediate comment.

This is the first time that Pakistani authorities have refused entry to deportees sent to the country.

The incident comes a week after high-level talks with the European Union to settle a dispute over forced repatriations.

A top EU official said last week that Pakistan would stick to an agreement to take back citizens who are deported from mainland Europe, days after Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan said Islamabad was suspending a deal under which thousands per year are repatriated.

On Wednesday, Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan said deportation of any citizen on documents issued by any other country is a violation of international laws and human rights.

An estimated 50,000 Pakistanis travel legally to Europe for work each year. According to EU statistics, about 21,000 living there without permission were ordered to return to Pakistan last year.
Cheers

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 19:38

So I also know TWO Pakistani origin wimmens who studied and grew up in the middle east.
Rich parents, went to Islamic schools in UAE and KSA in these cases. Both very high strung, overly religious, one was even asking for money for a mosque to be set up !

These wanna-be araps, are dangerous, and crazy !!!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Dec 2015 20:04

The "dedication" of parents, and especially a mother, who would deliberately leave their 6-month old child an orphan is bone-chilling. The power of what it was that induced such a rage in them is blood curdling.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 03 Dec 2015 20:41

How can two person of Same Sunni religion lose the temper at the same time? Probably somebody said something at the Party about them.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 03 Dec 2015 20:51

Deadly Combination :

Saudi Wahabism Culture (imbibed by 2nd generation Pakis raised in S.A and migrated to Massaland)
+ US Gun Culture + inborn Pakistanyat = San Bernadino Horror.

Expect to see more of it in climate same states like California, Arizona, Texas; one good place for FBI to start investigation would be the "local masjid", probably funded by SA

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 03 Dec 2015 20:56

Aplogies if posted earlier:Pakistan court filing asks British queen to return Koh-i-Noor diamond

They also lay claim to the name "India". Earlier they tried claim Nizam's wealth as well.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 03 Dec 2015 21:14

Pakistan refusing to let 30 migrants deported from EU off plane

So, is it now confirmed that these "poor souls" are likely to be a "political football" between Pakhanistan and EU states - no one wants them,

- just like their Bihari brethen languishing in refugee camps and meeting the same fate even after 40 years.

PS. At least will be assured of "two square meals a day" - but no guarentee of halal though !

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 03 Dec 2015 21:19

venug wrote:Aplogies if posted earlier:Pakistan court filing asks British queen to return Koh-i-Noor diamond

They also lay claim to the name "India". Earlier they tried claim Nizam's wealth as well.

if we go down the route of what these buggers claim we will need a new forum not just a new thread.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 03 Dec 2015 21:22

Falijee wrote:Pakistan refusing to let 30 migrants deported from EU off plane

So, is it now confirmed that these "poor souls" are likely to be a "political football" between Pakhanistan and EU states - no one wants them, - just like their Bihari brethen languishing in refugee camps and meeting the same fate even after 40 years.

PS. At least will be assured of "two square meals a day" - but no guarentee of halal though !

One corollary to this now will be that no shitistani if caught on any EU country border trying to get in will not be allowed in even on a provisional entry.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 03 Dec 2015 21:32

Falijee wrote:Deadly Combination : Saudi Wahabism Culture (imbibed by 2nd generation Pakis raised in S.A and migrated to Massaland)
+ US Gun Culture + inborn Pakistanyat = San Bernadino Horror.

Expect to see more of it in climate same states like California, Arizona, Texas; one good place for FBI to start investigation would be the "local masjid", probably funded by SA

"Saudi Wahabism Culture": a pinch of salt
"US Gun Culture": a squeeze of lemon
"Inborn Pakistaniyat" is the whole substance of what made these people terrorist murderers. The tandoori chicken itself, and all the ingredients and procedures that went into making it.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 03 Dec 2015 21:44

'Pakistan was to deploy nuclear weapons against India during Kargil war'

Apologies if posted in the past; nothing new being reported over here; consistent with their threat of deploying their "family jewels"

Probably in the news due to the IBN lady's "new book"

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 03 Dec 2015 22:11

venug wrote:Aplogies if posted earlier:Pakistan court filing asks British queen to return Koh-i-Noor diamond

They also lay claim to the name "India". Earlier they tried claim Nizam's wealth as well.

Venug-ji : Dont miss the significance of the following :

In the last half century Jafree has written 786 (why exactly this number hain-ji ) to Queen Elizebeth and various Pakistani officials asking for the diamond's return

PS: If he has "written 786 letters", he must be "very busy" in his legal practice

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 03 Dec 2015 22:19

Gagan wrote:So I also know TWO Pakistani origin wimmens who studied and grew up in the middle east.
Rich parents, went to Islamic schools in UAE and KSA in these cases. Both very high strung, overly religious, one was even asking for money for a mosque to be set up !

These wanna-be araps, are dangerous, and crazy !!!

Gagan-ji :
Not to forget, Hillary Clinton's protege ( and South Asia expert) Huma Abedin, (raised in S.A ) outwardly a moderate maybe, but whose parents (teaching in Saudi Universities ) are alleged to be out-and -out Islamists

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 03 Dec 2015 22:30

SBajwa wrote:How can two person of Same Sunni religion lose the temper at the same time? Probably somebody said something at the Party about them.

Maybe somebody said "Merry Christmas".
I suppose the reason for the altercation will eventually come out.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 03 Dec 2015 22:40

Any info about secularism in Saudi - say on scale of 0 - 10?

One can clearly see paki claims that baniya heart < paki heart < ISIL heart < Saudi heart; so on this thread it is pertinent to enquire about how Saudis measure on secular scale.

Disclaimer: Not that Hindoos have given anyone rights to gas against baniya heart, secularism, but probably important to have measure of secularism in Saudi Arabia.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 22:46

Kafir,
How dare you say ISIS heart < Saudi heart hain?
ISIS is the greenest of the green!
It should actually be Saudi Heart << ISIS heart onlee

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 03 Dec 2015 22:52

My understanding is this : in scale of 0-10, not one of Saudi, ISIL, pakis, Turks will cross one.
So,
0 < ISIL==Paki==Turks < Saudi < 1
But not too sure considering propaganda, shifting of center to the left etc to prove that baniya heart is not as secular etc.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 03 Dec 2015 23:04

Falijee wrote:
Gagan wrote:So I also know TWO Pakistani origin wimmens who studied and grew up in the middle east.
Rich parents, went to Islamic schools in UAE and KSA in these cases. Both very high strung, overly religious, one was even asking for money for a mosque to be set up !

These wanna-be araps, are dangerous, and crazy !!!
Gagan-ji :
Not to forget, Hillary Clinton's protege ( and South Asia expert) Huma Abedin, (raised in S.A ) outwardly a moderate maybe, but whose parents (teaching in Saudi Universities ) are alleged to be out-and -out Islamists

Imagine these people penetrating highest levels of state secrecy thanks to corrupted scoundrels who refuse to listen

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 03 Dec 2015 23:07

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-be ... index.html

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime, which didn't raise red flags, said two government officials. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 03 Dec 2015 23:12

Nandu wrote:
SBajwa wrote:How can two person of Same Sunni religion lose the temper at the same time? Probably somebody said something at the Party about them.
Maybe somebody said "Merry Christmas".
I suppose the reason for the altercation will eventually come out.

Somebody, should have been politically correct and said " Happy Holidays" (secular) instead of Merry Christmas (religious) and maybe, just maybe, this would have been a "normal" party, instead of the "international horror story", it has been

PS: By the way, are these Wahabi Islamists allowed such Kaffir "entertainment" as a Christmas party? is it sharia compliant ?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Dec 2015 23:21

I knew a RAPE paki guy working here in Massa land. TFTA Pakjabi with air of superiority would come and chat as if he was some VP and taking to low level tech coolies with baniya folks. He was just a contractor coolie like most folks with a jacked up resume and irrelevant education. Was chasing Punjabi desi chicks. One sikh girl fell in love with him and after few months of courtship was dumped by this guy saying she was kafir. The lady was heartbroken chased him around in office. Even went to local mosque and got converted and started wearing hijab. Any ways that affair did not work out. The guy went on with his philandering for a while and then when I saw him after a couple of years had a huge beard. Once our VP had a celebration Pizza lunch for the team and this was in middle of Ramzan and the dude was furious complaining that VP was doing this purposefully in middle of fasting month and this was conspiracy against ROP yada yada we tried to reason with him saying he has no clue about fasting and team celebrations cannot be put off for one for two folks. Long story short just coz you see some one as playboy, clean shaven, movie loving Roper today does not mean he wont become jihadi tomorrow it is not a question of If but when the time bomb will set off

saip · Post by **saip** » 03 Dec 2015 23:22

In all this the first to talk about religion was the President of Criminal Association of Islamic Radicals (CAIR). He said 'Please do not Implicate Islam or Muslims' in this. Everyone else was steering clear of religion,

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 03 Dec 2015 23:40

guys ... the Pakistani acooection is revealed ....

.... While Mr. Farook is an American citizen, Mr. Bowdich said he had traveled abroad and that the couple came to the United States in July 2014 when they were not yet married. She is here on a K-1 visa on a Pakistani passport. Mr. Bowdich said he did not know all of the countries they visited but that Mr. Farook did go to Pakistan at one point.

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/us/sa ... .html?_r=0

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Dec 2015 23:41

They just orphaned their 6 month old kid. That is beyond effed up. I feel sick just thinking about that kid.

They were only biologically human, what was in their brain was certainly not Human by any measure.

Baki lurkers, you produce inhumane animals like this one:

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EDIT: Got the WRONG Syed Farooq again!!!! Why in the world would you name two brothers with the same first and last names.

Apologies.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Dec 2015 23:46

Falijee wrote:PS: By the way, are these Wahabi Islamists allowed such Kaffir "entertainment" as a Christmas party? is it sharia compliant ?

It is quite irrelevant to the Indian strategic outlook w.r.t. Pakistan, but since this has been brought up, I should mention: "San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook’s parents had acrimonious divorce"

Divorce papers from the parents of one of the San Bernardino attackers reveal an acrimonious split in which the wife accused her husband of being an abusive alcoholic.

The records obtained Thursday by The Associated Press show that Syed Farook’s mother, Rafia, described her husband in 2006 as “irresponsible, negligent and an alcoholic.”

http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20151 ... us-divorce

Perhaps the son became a Wahabbi Islamist as a reaction to the excesses of the father.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 04 Dec 2015 00:06

"Frequent Flyer" Reham Back In Pakiland :
Reham Khan returns to Pakistan 'to fulfill responsibility to media'

Video is interesting : 'Mae huu Pathan '!

PS: Ex (first) hubby has slapped a multi-million law suit against her for slander; just wondering if that is the reason for London-La-whore commute !

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Dec 2015 00:23

LokeshC wrote:EDIT: Got the WRONG Syed Farooq again!!!! Why in the world would you name two brothers with the same first and last names.

IMO, "Syed" is a honorific, so it is as though you are complaining about Mister Charles Smith and Mister Robert Smith being two brothers with the same first and last names.

PS: e.g., see the question posed here:
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234 ... -or-syeda/

I am very happy to announce that InshAllah me and my wife are expecting a daughter InshAllah in a month. We will inshAllah give her the name Syeda Fatima Zahra

I just wanted to ask anyone living in the west if they actually write "Syed" or "Syeda" on birth certificates and how and where on the certificate. Because my parents have been really pressuring me not to do so as my daughter will always be referred to as "Syeda" as her first name everywhere she goes etc.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 04 Dec 2015 00:24

Multinational Pharma Denies Exit ‘Rumours’

KARACHI: After the exit of four multinational pharmaceuticals companies from Pakistan in the last two years, the market is abuzz with rumours about departure of another foreign drug giant.

When contacted people who follow drug market closely said US-based company Pfizer has already started offloading employees, trimming marketing drive and has suspended introduction of new drugs in Pakistan.
Sources said that under cost-cutting measures, the company has shed 200 to 300 employees in the last two years owing to declining sales.

So, the plans to make Pakiland a "mini-sooper power" by 2025 will now have to be put on hold?

However, a spokesman for Pfizer Pakistan Ltd mailed their response to Dawn queries. The company asserted: “is fully committed to maintaining its operations in Pakistan”.

“Unfortunately due to the several challenges we face in the market, our sales and growth figures have declined compared to last year,” he said, without disclosing any figures.

Pakis will have to find alternate source for their "****" dosage

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 04 Dec 2015 00:40

California shooting suspect was devout Muslim: father

LOS ANGELES: California’s Muslim community expressed its horror on Wednesday at the mass shooting that killed at least 14 in San Bernardino, after a local Muslim man was widely identified as a suspect.

Farook’s father, quoted by the New York Daily News tabloid, described his son as a devout Muslim.

So the Families of the "Slaughtered" can take comfort that the "Slaughterer" was a Devout Muslim

Cheers

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 Dec 2015 00:40

LokeshC wrote:They just orphaned their 6 month old kid. That is beyond effed up. I feel sick just thinking about that kid.

Purely from a piskological PoV, I'd like to understand what can possibly drive someone to such an extreme as to orhpan an infant. As much us these Jihadi punks think they are doing "service", in reality, they are a bunch of self-obsessed selfish scum bags to leave a 6 month old on its own. Also, if you compare the profiles of this guy and Faizal Shehzaad with Ajmal Kesab and the two other TSP pigLeTs that were recently apprehended in J&K, the latter do fit the possible theory of job-less, destitute kids being easy prey for suicidal Jihad. But this CA Jihadi and Faizal Shehzaad, what explains their mind? I would like to get to their piskology.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 04 Dec 2015 00:42

Falijee wrote:'Pakistan was to deploy nuclear weapons against India during Kargil war'

Apologies if posted in the past; nothing new being reported over here; consistent with their threat of deploying their "family jewels"

Probably in the news due to the IBN lady's "new book"

This is in the news again as Bruce Riedel's eulogy on Sandy Berger (Clinton's NSA) who passed away recently.
Farewell, Sandy Berger, the Clinton Man Who Stopped Armageddon

Sorry again, as this was posted earlier (in 2013 in brf Kargil thread) but this old post is worth reading if one has not seen it earlier .. Mush was told by his generals that his Gauri missiles are not going to work..
North Korea's missiles tied to Musharraf blunder

ISLAMABAD – A retired Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that former Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s 1999 military adventurism in the Kargil region of divided Kashmir failed in part because the North Korea-aided, nuclear-capable Ghauri missiles he wanted to deploy then had a faulty guidance system.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the scientist said that during the Kargil crisis of May-July 1999, Musharraf, who was then army chief, “wanted to deploy Ghauri missiles, but air went out of his balloon when the top general in charge of the missile program told him the missile had a faulty guidance system.”

Over a year earlier, on April 6, 1998, Pakistan had carried out what it described as a successful first test of the intermediate-range ballistic missile, developed by Khan Research Laboratory with North Korean assistance.

Even Musharraf, who witnessed that Ghauri launch as a local corps commander, had been led to believe it was a success then, according to the nuclear scientist, who until recently had long been closely associated with the country’s nuclear and missile programs.

The truth, he said, is that the ballistic missile failed to reach its predesignated impact point in Pakistan’s southwestern province of Baluchistan and its debris could not be found — something that would have undermined the missile’s deterrent effect if it were made public.

Military experts and strategists have pondered why Musharraf, immediately after he became chief of the army staff in October 1998, began planning the ill-fated incursions across the volatile Line of Control in disputed Kashmir, sparking the worst outbreak of fighting since the India-Pakistan war of 1971 even though he knew Pakistan could not prevail in an all-out conventional war with its neighbor.

During the May-July 1999 conflict, the two sides fought a two-month limited war in Kargil that led to over 1,200 fatalities and added to fears of a nuclear showdown before then-U.S. President Bill Clinton helped broker a ceasefire and Pakistani withdrawal.

Musharraf’s gamble in Kargil has since been interpreted by many as an effort by Pakistan, aside from gaining a tactical advantage by occupying dominating positions in the Kargil Heights, to test the deterrence value of its nuclear weapons.

The untold story, according to the scientist, is that Musharraf was unaware of the Ghauri missile’s faulty guidance system even as he oversaw the covert occupation by Pakistan troops and mujahedeen “freedom fighters” of the inhospitable, snowbound outposts in Kargil that the Indian Army had vacated for the winter.

He said Musharraf only learned the truth in March 1999 from Lt. Gen. Zulfikar Khan, who then commanded the army’s Combat Division.

Musharraf then ordered another Ghauri test, which took place on April 14, 1999, just three days after India tested its Agni-2 intermediate-range ballistic missile and several weeks before India detected the extent of the Pakistani side’s penetration in Kargil.

But this test also failed, with the missile overflying its target and falling across the border in the Sistan region of southeastern Iran, the scientist said. It, too, was publicly declared a success, however.

The scientist’s remarks were corroborated by two other nuclear scientists and another knowledgeable source who confirmed that the two missiles tested in 1998 and 1999 both failed to impact at the predesignated points in Baluchistan.

While Pakistan claimed the Ghauri missiles were designed and produced indigenously, they were actually Nodong missiles supplied by North Korea and re-engineered in Pakistan to extend their strike range.

The scientist claimed that after the second test, North Koreans were invited to a meeting at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, where they were confronted with the fault in their technology.

“The North Koreans started talking left and right but were told to open their eyes and take care of the guidance system in their Nodong missiles,” said the scientist, who was privy to the meeting.

Musharraf, he said, initially wanted to return the Nodong missiles to North Korea, from which it had imported 40 in knocked down condition in the mid-1990s. But then the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission undertook to replace the guidance with that of the country’s Chinese-aided Shaheen missile, he said.

Last Nov. 28, the improved version of Ghauri was test-fired and the government — true to form — declared it a success. Soon afterward, however, it was found to have exploded in midair and rained metal debris over parts of Sindh Province.

Pakistan’s disgraced nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, whose laboratory develops nuclear warheads for Pakistan’s missiles, concedes there was a row about the Ghauri’s accuracy.

But he ridicules the assertion that Musharraf wanted to return them over their faulty guidance system, saying, “What difference does it make if a nuclear-tipped missile falls 1 km left or right of the predetermined impact point?”

Khan claims Musharraf merely sought to return them because Pakistan had insufficient funds to pay back what it owed for them.
The Kargil crisis happened in the wake of six nuclear tests carried out by Pakistan in May 1998, which triggered sanctions against the country and led a drastic fall in foreign exchange reserves.

Pakistan suffered a serious military and diplomatic setback after successful Indian military action and intense international pressure forced it to unconditionally pull back behind the Line of Control as part of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire.

In his autobiography, published in 2006, Musharraf called it a “myth” that the two sides had come to the brink of nuclear war during the conflict and dismissed as “preposterous” speculation that Pakistan was preparing for a possible nuclear strike on India then.

“I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. Merely exploding a bomb does not mean that you are operationally capable of deploying nuclear force in the field and delivering a bomb across the border over a selected target,” he wrote.

Critics of Musharraf’s action often refer to the Kargil conflict as a “misadventure,” saying it was badly conceived and executed, while he wrongly assumed the world would sit back idly.

Instead of considering the Kargil as a blunder, Musharraf, who has been living in exile since quitting politics in 2008, claims it actually brought the Kashmir issue back into international focus and helped pave the way for a solution.

However, tension between the nuclear-armed neighbors, which have fought three wars since partition in 1947, two of them over Kashmir, has remained high since the Kargil conflict.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Dec 2015 01:22

Najam Sethi:
http://www.najamsethi.com/liberal-pakistan/

Now, thankfully, positive change is in the air. Nawaz Sharif was handpicked and nurtured by the military three decades ago to do its bidding. He duly became the nemesis of the PPP, in the bargain getting into bed with the religious parties, passing Islamic laws and promoting jihad against India. Now he is all for peace with India, wants to stop all jihad across borders, is waking up to action against sectarian parties and religious terrorists and is embarrassed and hampered by the Islamic laws passed on his watch. The military, no less, sees the primary and immediate national security threat as emanating from internal religious extremism and not externally from archenemy India. Unfortunately, however, Imran Khan’s PTI is still muddying the waters by continuing to resist the development of a new national narrative of state and society based on modern notions of liberal and secular democracy.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 04 Dec 2015 02:54

CRamS wrote: But this CA Jihadi and Faizal Shehzaad, what explains their mind? I would like to get to their piskology.

So do I. I have very limited piskological knowledge (most of it is limited to positive psychology and understanding Human Biases), and these cases seem to be outside my realm of piskological knowledge.

The statement: "They were insane", does not even begin to describe what might have been going on in those brains when they shot up that place.