Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Prem » 04 Dec 2015 03:06

San Bernardino: Shooter was in touch with terror subjects, officials believe
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-be ... bernardino

NN)Syed Rizwan Farook -- who along with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- apparently was radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.
Still, it wasn't necessarily the only driver behind the carnage, as workplace grievances might have also played a role. President Barack Obama hinted as much Thursday when he said that the attackers may have had "mixed motives."David Bowditch, assistant director in charge of the FBI's Los Angeles office, told reporters Thursday that Farook had traveled to Pakistan.And two government officials said no red flags were raised when he'd gone to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States in July 2014 on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.Officials had previously said neither Farook and Malik were known to the FBI or on a list of potentially radicalized people. Nor had they had any known interactions with police until Wednesday.Yet Farook himself had talked by phone and on social media with more than one person being investigated for terrorism, law enforcement officials said.The communications were "soft connections" in that they weren't frequent, one law enforcement official said. It had been a few months since Farook's last back-and-forth with these people, who officials said were not considered high priority.

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Postby Gagan » 04 Dec 2015 03:14

So the rustic terrorists that LeT uses as cannon fodder are usually drug addicts. Rustic criminals are not so easily taken in by suicide, so drug addiction, criminal background is a common finding in the LeT cannon fodder in J&K.
These educated Pakis are a different deal. Examples abound:
1. Omar Saeed Sheikh- killed Daniel Pearl, Kidnapped and killed several foreign tourists in J&K, tried to assassinate Mushy. Educated.
2. David Headley- Paki mil school education, broken home/divorced mother, drug addiction.
3.SaleemFaisal Shahzad- Pak mil school education, Pakistani Military family, misfit in western culture, so turned to religion and Jihad.
4. Sayed Rizwan Farook- Educated, Pakistani background. Still unclear if parents/family had a Pak Mil background. Father described as alcoholic (? Whiskey swilling RAPE ex fauji).

Point is, they are all educated, moderately enlightened, Pakistani Background/Indoctrination as a child or in the domestic environment.
IMHO the high school + educated Pakistani kids are more dangerous to the west, and for us too, & they get green cards very easily. The criminal-drug addict louts are what the IA pest-e-shaheeds in J&K.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Gagan » 04 Dec 2015 03:19

Another question.
Are these terrorists sub letting manufacture of IEDs to people who would be not usually be under suspicion? The guy had a factory to build IEDs in his house. Maybe he was a supplier of IEDs, and supplementing his income (maybe that's why his wife got on board too), and the couple burnt the midnight oil in their garage.

So if these guys supply ready made IEDs made in their little cottage industry, and the soosai bummer only has to go KaBoom, and not actually make his own bums, the that'll keep the bummer under the radar right?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby KLNMurthy » 04 Dec 2015 03:26

LokeshC wrote:
CRamS wrote: But this CA Jihadi and Faizal Shehzaad, what explains their mind? I would like to get to their piskology.


So do I. I have very limited piskological knowledge (most of it is limited to positive psychology and understanding Human Biases), and these cases seem to be outside my realm of piskological knowledge.

The statement: "They were insane", does not even begin to describe what might have been going on in those brains when they shot up that place.

Not knowing much about the present case, I'd suggest going through the Atlantic magazine link to the paki colonel's rant, on the starting page of the STFUP thread.

There's a need for acknowledgment of one's superiority and entitlement as. RAPE muslmaan, followed by aggrieved rage when the need is not met, followed by desperation and nihilism--I'll teach them to respect what I am, even if that means my own destruction. The last part they have in common with (usually ) wimpy whiteboys who can't get girls and deal with it by going on a killing spree.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby CRamS » 04 Dec 2015 03:31

Still no firm NO, but GoI is inching towrds a NO to kirket:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/g ... CR0ZJ.html

Lot of discussion here on policy Vs law, so this needs highlighting:


Board sources said IPL chief and Congress MP Rajeev Shukla’s remarks, that sports and politics should not be mixed, did not go down well with the Centre.

Government sources said “a view” on whether the time had come to de-link cricketing ties with Pakistan and the political situation was being discussed within the government and no final decision had been taken.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Vipul » 04 Dec 2015 03:49

The Sheer Chutzpah....

Fawad Chaudhry and Farrukh Saleem discussed on their talk show that these shooting incidents keep happening in America. This is the 350th incident this year.Why if the shooter is a black guy then it is related to Racism, if the shooter is a white guy the incident is dismissed as being done by a lone wolf but if it is done by a muslim why is it described as a terrorist incident. 95% of the shootings that happen in USA are all done by white Americans. America should reflect why so many shootings happening in their country and why there are 36 crore guns in a country of 32 crore population.
No discussion at all that this incident involved pakistanis.

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Postby Gagan » 04 Dec 2015 03:57

Vipul can u post a link please?

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Postby Vipul » 04 Dec 2015 04:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGri0UJ2Uyo.
Watch 18:30 onwards.

Just hear how the assh***s start it.Ek ajeebo-garib vaakya hua hai california mein

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Postby partha » 04 Dec 2015 04:12

Gagan wrote:3. Saleem Shahzad- Pak mil school education, Pakistani Military family, misfit in western culture, so turned to religion and Jihad.

Faisal Shahzad.

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Postby member_29001 » 04 Dec 2015 04:18

Sports and politics used to be mixed during apartheid days, why not now?

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Postby A_Gupta » 04 Dec 2015 04:24

https://krypt3ia.files.wordpress.com/20 ... ageman.pdf (PDF file)
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In fact, most of the global Salafi terrorists come from core Arab countries, immigrant communities in the West, Indonesia or Malaysia. They do not come from the poorest countries in the world, including Afghanistan. Surprisingly, there is no Afghan in my sample. In terms of socio-economic background, three-fourths come from upper and middle class families. Far from coming from broken families, they grew up in caring intact families, mildly religious and concerned about their communities. In terms of education, over 60% have some college education. Most are in the technical fields, such as engineering, architecture, computers, medicine, and business. This is all the more remarkable because college education is still relatively uncommon in the countries or immigrant communities they come from. Far from being immature teenagers, the men in my sample joined the terrorist organization at the age of twenty-six years, on average. Most of the terrorists have some occupational skills. Three-fourths are either professional (physicians, lawyers, architects, en
gineers, or teachers) or semi-professionals (businessmen, craftsmen, or computer specialists). They are solidly anchored in family responsibilities. Three-fourths are married and the majority have children. There was no indication of weak minds brainwashed by their family or education. About half of the sample grew up as religious children, but only 13% of the sample, almost all of them in
Southeast Asia, were madrassa educated. The entire sample from the North African region and the second generation Europeans went to secular schools. About ten percent were Catholic converts to Islam, who could not have been brainwashed into Islam as children.


Piskology:
The failure of mental illness as an explanation for terrorism is consistent with three decades of research that has been unable to detect any significant pattern of mental illness in terrorists. Indeed, these studies have indicated that terrorists are surprisingly normal in terms of mental health


One of the striking findings of this sample is that three-fourths of the terrorists joined the jihad as expatriates, mostly as upwardly mobile young men studying abroad. At the time, they were separated from their original environments. An additional 10% were second generation in the West, who felt a strong pull for the country of their parents. So a remarkable 84% were literally cut
off from their culture and social origins. They were homesick, lonely, and alienated. Although they were intellectually gifted, they were marginalized, underemployed and generally excluded from the highest status in the new societies. Although they were not religious, they drifted to mosques for companionship. There, they met friends or relatives, with whom they moved in together often for dietary reasons. As their friendship intensified, they became a “bunch of guys,” resenting society at large which excluded them, developing a common religious collective identity, egging each other on
into greater extremism. By the time they joined the jihad, there was a dramatic shift in devotion to their faith. About two-thirds of those who joined the jihad did so collectively with their friends or had a long time childhood friend already in the jihad. Another fifth had close relatives already in the jihad. These friendship or kinship bonds predated any ideological commitment. Once inside the social movement, they cemented their mutual bonds by marrying sisters and daughters of other terrorists. There was no evidence of “brainwashing”: the future terrorists simply acquired the beliefs of their friends.


So far, the account of the global Salafi jihad seems to be a pure male story of heroic warriors fighting the evil West. Yet, women also play a critical role in this process. They provide the invisible infrastructure of the jihad. As influential parts of the social environment, they often encourage their relatives and friends to join the jihad. Many Christian converts or secular Muslims joined because of marriage to a committed wife.


But the most troubling aspect of this group of terrorists is their willingness to kill innocent civilians and themselves in the process. How does this process take place? This is where the role of
religion comes into play.


For that read from page 9 of the article.

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Postby Gagan » 04 Dec 2015 05:29

Amber G. wrote:Sorry again, as this was posted earlier (in 2013 in brf Kargil thread) but this old post is worth reading if one has not seen it earlier .. Mush was told by his generals that his Gauri missiles are not going to work..
North Korea's missiles tied to Musharraf blunder
“I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. Merely exploding a bomb does not mean that you are operationally capable of deploying nuclear force in the field and delivering a bomb across the border over a selected target,” he wrote.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby MurthyB » 04 Dec 2015 05:59

LokeshC wrote:
CRamS wrote: But this CA Jihadi and Faizal Shehzaad, what explains their mind? I would like to get to their piskology.


So do I. I have very limited piskological knowledge (most of it is limited to positive psychology and understanding Human Biases), and these cases seem to be outside my realm of piskological knowledge.

The statement: "They were insane", does not even begin to describe what might have been going on in those brains when they shot up that place.


Why do Muslims Blow Stuff Up?

But here is the point I really wanted to make:
I heard (more than 10 years ago) from an Islamist historian (PhD U Chicago) that the correct way of looking at lack of Hindu or African Pagan blowback is to regard them as weaker civilizations, unable/unwilling to contend for world-beater status (Hindutvadis are trying, with limited success, to alter this perception btw). His point was that Islamists sending terrorists and throwing bombs maybe wrong (in his opinion, it was wrong) because it may be tactically harmful to their cause or it may be morally unsound (he was not in favor of indiscriminate slaughter), but on the general point of fighting against the West, he thought the crucial difference is that the Islamic world represents real civiliazational competition; challengers who think they can and SHOULD fight in the big leagues...while Hindus and Africans are just waiting to be converted to more successful ideologies and are "not even invited to the party".
In short, that Muslims are different, but not in the way you think: they are not different in being more bloodthirsty (he believed, as a historian, that ALL great powers and dominant civilizations have been blood thirsty) but in thinking of themselves as a potential world power, not just "subalterns".


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Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2015 06:59

America is too secular to study Islamic upbringing as an explanation. They will beat about the bush and compare themselves with terrorists and say "We are rich. We are innovative. they are not. That makes them angry"

Any person with a clear mind would look at what is perfectly well known. An Islamic upbringing lays very clear borders from childhood. Muslims are good. Non Muslims are bad. Non Muslims ill treat Muslims '. When they do that they can be punished. When this is the basic information a person has in his head - he can carry on with life under certain circumstances - mostly when he is surrounded by fellow Muslims in an oil droplet or among others as long as he is not reminded of all the injustices being done by dar ul harb. If you do that and give him a weapon, he wiill kill.

This information has been available in India for centuries. But the problem is American piskology because they think they know it all and have it all and think that people who get an American life have no reason to be upset except when tornadoes come. The US will never pin the blame on Islam because the "diagnosis" is too close to what Christianity also says and American Christians can be just as humane as Islamists

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Postby A_Gupta » 04 Dec 2015 07:41

MurthyB wrote:
Why do Muslims Blow Stuff Up?

But here is the point I really wanted to make:
I heard (more than 10 years ago) from an Islamist historian (PhD U Chicago) that the correct way of l......, he thought the crucial difference is that the Islamic world represents real civiliazational competition; challengers who think they can and SHOULD fight in the big leagues[/b]...while Hindus and Africans are just waiting to be converted to more successful ideologies and are "not even invited to the party".


Dunno about Africans, but little do they know.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Gagan » 04 Dec 2015 07:57

I think that they had weapons, a poisonous virus ideology in their head, were already making bombs in their garage, and so decided to take matters into their hands.
I wonder if they paused to consider the magnitude of what they had done...
I wonder if they were on drugs?
Why? Why did they have to kill so many people?

The media needs to bring in the family on the airwaves to publically disown them. The mullahs need to come on TV to condemn what they did.

What a terrible act this was !!!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby ArmenT » 04 Dec 2015 08:47

Following up on my post in Nukkad:
ArmenT wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:ArmenT, hope you don't live anywhere close to the area of incident.

Nope, other end of town sir. Turns out one of my former colleagues went to the same high school as this schmuck, but a few years earlier.

My colleague did some follow-up and it turns out that the said schmuck graduated in the same year as one of his siblings. Here's the Paki in the yearbook picture:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Gus » 04 Dec 2015 09:00

What shiv says is true. There really is not much analysis into the why - beyond crude explanations like "they hate our freedom." And then the apologists step in with their "hush don't be islamophobic"

If you fill somebody with a strong sense of identity and also a deep grievance that his entire community has been wronged and victimized and it is ok to kill for this and not just ok, but heavenly rewards as well and even if such a person lives the "American Dream" - it is not impossible to "radicalize" that person..the basic dots are all there and somebody skilled in jihadi rhetoric can make him connect dots and come to the conclusion - kill kafirs

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby pgbhat » 04 Dec 2015 10:26

By the way "syed" is shia no?

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Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2015 10:29

Someone please correct me if you think I am wrong but I thought pipe bombs are classic ISI trained for India item.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2015 10:30

pgbhat wrote:By the way "syed" is shia no?

No. Syed means descended from Mohd and lots of people like to claim that

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Satya_anveshi » 04 Dec 2015 10:54

That is side effect of manufacturing soosai abdools on industrial scale...the indoctrination needs to be super heavy....society itself has to develop the victim complex way up to 75+ on a 100 scale and out of them some select few go all the way to 95-100 (soosai category), who are then exploited.

unless 50-75 broad category is addressed, you will keep getting 95-100 category folks out of it ready to be used. one just have to point to them towards the target that is the reason for their victimhood, these guys will be ready to press the button.

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Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2015 11:50

By definition the idea of Pakistan is an idea of victimhood of Muslims and a refuge for Muslims. Pakistan may be unlivable hell but non islamic places are murderous. Piety in being Muslim is the only protection. This is not mullah to mard info. It is parents to children info. Take such a guy and put him in America, he will thank Allah for his success there. He will know that he is living among bad people but his piety protects him. Give him access to social media that inform him that the US is killing Muslims, and he will be upset at the injustice.

Such a guy is ripe for recruitment. Money and US. luxuries are easy come easy go, but greatness is in wreaking revenge against those who kill Muslims. This theme is so common it makes me laugh to see the US struggling to see it. Or they do not want to see, so convinced are they that being American is being in heaven except for the occasional tornado. Too much is made of the joy and security of being American so people wonder how anyone can be upset inheaven. The answer is invariaby garbage. GIGO.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Dec 2015 13:15

People here may not like it but in 1990 till today, US has some Ugly relationships with Terrorists involved in Kashmir, with the US secretery of State - Madeline Albright claiming Chitisinghpura sikhs were killed by quote"Indian Intelligence Agencies". Even the Hurriyat is a SD creation. If no. of Pakis and Other Rackit Mards increase in USA and Europe, they can no longer play funny games like 1947 or 71, while Pakis got divided in 1971. There was significant decrease in Hindu population in BD in 71. More than a million women were raped and cut. These acts were supported by Nixon and US Govt.

My feeling is unless the US Govt comes clean of its activities in India, South Asia and Middle East and changes its policies, its present policies will lead to the snakes it has bread to bite it back.

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Postby member_29247 » 04 Dec 2015 13:39

the above change of heart or operations
Aditya Saar ji
It will never happen.

That is why


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Postby Peregrine » 04 Dec 2015 13:47

ysnarayanan_brf wrote:Sports and politics used to be mixed during apartheid days, why not now?


ysnarayanan Ji:

Sports and Politics was blatantly used the You Knighted States of America-led Moscow Olympics Boycott in 1980 with its favoured "Butts" i.e. the Land of the Pure and the Home of the Terrorists also the Moscow-led Los Angeles Olympics in 1984.

India has these two "Shinning Examples" of the mixing of Sports and Politics which India must follow faithfully!

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Postby Peregrine » 04 Dec 2015 13:52

Amber G. wrote:Sorry again, as this was posted earlier (in 2013 in brf Kargil thread) but this old post is worth reading if one has not seen it earlier .. Mush was told by his generals that his Gauri missiles are not going to work..
North Korea's missiles tied to Musharraf blunder
“I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. Merely exploding a bomb does not mean that you are operationally capable of deploying nuclear force in the field and delivering a bomb across the border over a selected target,” he wrote.

Gagan wrote: :D
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Gagan Ji :

More like the Horses' Rear Ends.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby member_22733 » 04 Dec 2015 14:01

shiv wrote:Someone please correct me if you think I am wrong but I thought pipe bombs are classic ISI trained for India item.



Pipe bombs are very easy to manufacture, with stuff locally available. The tough thing is achieving reliable detonation (that needs some expertise above the pay grade of this Jeehardi IMHO).

If they were ISI trained, I am sure the bombs would have gone off and the carnage would have ended with a much higher death toll.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2015 14:01

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/672708617292779520
One army Jawan and two shitistani terrorists killed in encounter

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2015 14:13

LokeshC wrote:
shiv wrote:Someone please correct me if you think I am wrong but I thought pipe bombs are classic ISI trained for India item.



Pipe bombs are very easy to manufacture, with stuff locally available. The tough thing is achieving reliable detonation (that needs some expertise above the pay grade of this Jeehardi IMHO).

If they were ISI trained, I am sure the bombs would have gone off and the carnage would have ended with a much higher death toll.

Lokesh IIRC unexploded pipe bombs have been recovered from many sites in India. All go back to ISI training which is not infallible. Many attacks in India have resulted in 2 or 3 deaths. Bad but still not "carnage". I may be wrong here but because of the profile of the population and the local availability, the bombs that one hears about in Afghanistan, Iraq and other Islamic countries are usually soosai vests, car bombs or IEDs on reads. Pipe bombs are used where it is less easy to get material and where surveillance is high and car bomb and material for soosai is less easily available. I wounder what was used in the London. Edinburgh and Spain bombings. US bomb attacks that I know of hae not featured pipe bombs.

Googling for pipe bomb and ignoring the latest find, I find only the names India, Pakistan and Turkey more recently

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby member_22733 » 04 Dec 2015 14:24

Shivji,

Pipe bomb was used in Columbine High School massacre (the 9/11 of mass shooting in the US):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine ... l_massacre

At 11:19 a.m., 17-year-old Rachel Scott was having lunch with friend Richard Castaldo while sitting in the grass next to the West Entrance of the school. Castaldo said he saw one of the boys throw a pipe bomb, which barely detonated, causing him to not take it seriously. At that moment, a witness heard Eric Harris yell "Go! Go!". The two gunmen pulled their guns from beneath their trenchcoats and began shooting at Castaldo and Scott.[36] Scott was hit four times and killed instantly. Richard Castaldo was shot eight times in the chest, arm and abdomen and paralyzed below the chest, falling into unconsciousness.[13] It is unknown who fired first; however, Harris was the one who shot and killed Scott, and Castaldo reported that Scott was hit before he was.


Pipebomb manufacture is easy and is "open source".

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2015 17:22

I'm guessing the design of the bombs and the detonation electronics should tell a story of their own. I would be less interested to know about it and more interested in pinning the blame on Pakistan :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby shiv » 04 Dec 2015 17:41

Like India has always worn "secularism" on its forehead the US has always pushed itself as a "melting pot" where everyone become American no matter where he comes from. I guess the US faces the same thorny political issues blaming a particular ethnic group or nationality. There is no internal group in the US that has experienced violence from Islam - unlike India which has strong civilizational memories that enable these things to be discussed despite suppression of truth. I think that sort of discussion bubbling to the top enables social adjustments to be made among different groups - but please don't ask me to prove this by examples - this is just a sort of impression I have.

I call your attention to the following 2 images that I had created a long time ago to describe Islamic societal structure while living with an excess of non Muslims

The shooter in San Bernadino was described by his father as a good Muslim and he had described himself as a Muslim. So although he probably passed off as what I have called "Muslim world citizen" in the melting pot of the US he was actually sitting on the cusp between core Islamist and "assimilated Muslim". He just tipped over into core Islamist and went apeshit

The point is that it is possible to have a free exchange between core Islamist and assimilated Muslim. You will not see the difference if behaviour is one of assimilated Muslim but he suddenly goes off the deep end and does something violent after hiding his core Islamist belief

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Falijee » 04 Dec 2015 17:42

Pakistani-origin couple kept tight lid on plans for San Bernardino shooting
SAN BERNARDINO, CALIFORNIA:
Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik met online and married two years ago, after he presented himself on a Muslim dating site as a devout young man who liked to fix cars and memorize the Quran. They registered at Target when Malik became pregnant, with a cheery newlyweds’ catalog of wishes: a car seat, diapers and safety swabs.

Outwardly Amrikhan, inwardly "green as ever" :mrgreen:
But for all the outward signs of suburban normality, this couple, according to the police, used their comfortable home in a middle-class community near here to stockpile weapons and build pipe bombs. And on Wednesday morning, they left their 6-month-old daughter with her grandmother before heading to a holiday party with Farook’s co-workers where, the police say, they killed 14 people and wounded 21 others. A few hours later, they died in a crush of bullets in a brutal face-off with the police.

More like them will "surface" in the near future, if the "right" condition present themselves .
As investigators puzzle over their motives, the couple — the husband born in Illinois and raised in southern California, the wife born in Pakistan and recently residing in Saudi Arabia ( the ideological HQ of world terrorism) — have emerged as one of the most perplexing pairs in the recent history of mass homicide. Their lives, and motives, remain mysteries to investigators, who are looking at possible ties to international terrorism (100% percent ) but have not ruled out the possibility that this was the bloody culmination of a workplace dispute. (zero percent )

Farook and Malik were highly devout Muslims, described by friends as quiet and unobtrusive. Farook, 28, who was a lanky six feet tall and had a full beard during long periods of his life, graduated from California State University, San Bernardino, with a degree in environmental engineering. He worked for the San Bernardino County health department, checking food surfaces at restaurants and bakeries and chlorine levels in public swimming pools.

Far less is publicly known about Malik, 27, who lived with Farook and his mother in Redlands, about five miles from where the attack took place. Farook brought her to the United States in July 2014, with a Pakistani passport and a K-1 visa, which designated her his fiancée. He applied for a permanent resident green card for her in September 2014, and she was granted a conditional card last July after passing a background check.

In registering for one of two dating services he used, Farook said he spoke Urdu, though friends said the couple spoke to each other in English. Farook, in a posting on one of the dating services, said he was open to dating a woman of any faith but was looking for “someone who takes her religion very seriously and is always trying to improve her religion.”[/quote](appears he found the "right mate")
Farook grew up in Riverside; his parents were born in Pakistan. His father could be a violent and alcoholic father, capable of lashing out at his wife and children, according to statements his mother, Rafia Farook, made in a series of divorce proceedings beginning in 2006. The father, also named Syed Farook, called his wife names, screamed at his children, hurled home appliances and, at the worst moments, grew so combative that his children had to step between him and his wife, she asserted.

How did this Paki get immigration to US in the first place?
A neighbor, Victor Venegas, said that the elder Farook had worked for him driving trucks until 2003 and would come around looking for money. “He would sometimes come over without calling,” Venegas said, and ask, “ ‘Can I have $10 to buy cigarettes?’ ”
Around Christmas one year, Venegas recalled, the father asked where he could buy a goat; he especially wanted a pregnant animal, saying that goat fetus was a delicacy. Venegas helped him get two. They ate one, and the family kept the other alive in the backyard, along with some chickens, where neighbors heard it bleating.

Keeping a goat in the back yard !!!!
Farook’s father frequently dressed in traditional Pakistani attire, with a white robe and a head wrap, even when he was driving the truck, and his mother usually kept her head covered, neighbors said. But the children dressed in Western clothes. Roseman said that Syed did not talk about his faith or pray openly at school. “He never mentioned his religion,” Roseman said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby ramana » 04 Dec 2015 18:07

I am going to tweet the link to Shiv's post. Hope it gets massive RT.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Satya_anveshi » 04 Dec 2015 19:29

shiv wrote:By definition the idea of Pakistan is an idea of victimhood of Muslims and a refuge for Muslims. Pakistan may be unlivable hell but non islamic places are murderous. Piety in being Muslim is the only protection. This is not mullah to mard info. It is parents to children info. Take such a guy and put him in America, he will thank Allah for his success there. He will know that he is living among bad people but his piety protects him. Give him access to social media that inform him that the US is killing Muslims, and he will be upset at the injustice.

Such a guy is ripe for recruitment. Money and US. luxuries are easy come easy go, but greatness is in wreaking revenge against those who kill Muslims. This theme is so common it makes me laugh to see the US struggling to see it. Or they do not want to see, so convinced are they that being American is being in heaven except for the occasional tornado. Too much is made of the joy and security of being American so people wonder how anyone can be upset inheaven. The answer is invariaby garbage. GIGO.


This is absolutely deliberate but a necessary evil and cost, IMO, is nothing relative to the fruits they enjoyed by almost destroying living, thriving, and potential competitive civilizations to their own.

I never see that as a "miss" by westerners but setting up of victimhood of pukistan which was requirement to break India (that is the huge goal achieve). Once in a while the leakage causes some issues which is really no more than a pinprick in the overall scheme of things.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby JE Menon » 04 Dec 2015 20:00

>> said he was open to dating a woman of any faith but was looking for “someone who takes her religion very seriously and is always trying to improve her religion.”

Meaning someone willing to convert to Islam.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Dec 2015 20:16

The Missus pledged allegiance to ISIS, per CNN:
"San Bernardino shooting: Attacker pledged allegiance to ISIS, officials say"
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-be ... index.html

As the San Bernardino attack was happening, investigators believe the female shooter, Tashfeen Malik, posted on Facebook, pledging allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.

The posting was by Malik made on an account with a different name, according to one U.S. official. The officials did not explain how they knew Malik made the post.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby CRamS » 04 Dec 2015 20:21

With respect to TSP ISI, no CT is unrealistic, so I won't be surprised if the ISI PR swat team is busy planting this stuff about their contact with ISIS to take away any lens pointed at TSP, or at the very least minimize the PR negativity that comes with constant reference to their TSP origin.


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