Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Peregrine » 03 Jan 2016 18:51

Paul wrote:There will be retaliation from Indian side for Pathankot attack.

It will come.....

Paul Ji :

This is what the Cwapistani Army along with the Cwapistani Terrorists want and this is EXACTLY the Action that India and Modi MUST TAKE. IOW They want Permanent conflict to justify their "raison d'être" to get maximum resources from the Cwapistani Annual Budget.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Philip » 03 Jan 2016 18:55

Ha!Ha! The US condemns Paki terror but supplies Pak with weapons to wage war against India.
Pak must be punished diplomatically,militarily-both overt and covert.Quickly finalise supplies of S-400s,etc. and plan for war overt and covert."Revenge is a dish best eaten cold." But first kick out the Paki sh*tworm envoy and start imposing a range of eco and socio-cultural sanctions including travel bans to and from Pak.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby krisna » 03 Jan 2016 18:57

small nitpicks

MMS said the same "enemies of humanity"
sonia said the same
barack obama said the same. ditto with france uk and many other european leaders. None have blamed "islamists" terrorists openly except indirectly.
NaMo said the same seeing the world(true or false I dont know)

No one considers usa to be peacenik despite those words. In fact barack won nobull piece prize but started 6 wars unprecedented for an american president .

even hardnuts from republican side never managed this feat. :oops:

barack obasma is still considered peacenik. 8)

It is the perception what matters along with other effrots which sustain it.


In this category usa and India under NaMo stand out.

no one bothers about usa whether it is peaceful or war mongering nation ( more time spent in waging war outisde usa since independence)

wrt India the ballgame is entirely different.

will stop at this. :(( :((

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Paul » 03 Jan 2016 19:09

Peregrine, what PA is doing is essentially the same as what the UPA/AAP is doing in domestic political arena, they want to take the iniiative away from Modi and shake his pedestal. So far, inspite of losses in BH and Delhi that has not happened.

Paki terror focus is moving south from LOC to IB. This was predicted by the Indian security long time ago. While I do not doubt Doval, my worry is the local Police under the Punjab govt. The electrified fences on the Border need to be stiffened up and the surplus power that Badal is so anxious to export to Pakistan should be utilized here. We need to destroy Pak Observation Posts on the IB with Milan/Konkurs to send the message to Pakistan. Transer and train a few ATGM units to BSF for a start.

There is no end to this game. The 1965 war IMO was the nadir of India's decline since 1747. Since then, India is consolidating its base and getting ready to draw these regions back into its fold. As India grows stronger economically, the centrifugal forces which lead to loss of Kandahar, Afghanistan and then Pakistan is being reversed.

We should not stop at transfer Hinds to Afghanistan, follow it up with 105mm LFG and mortars.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2016 20:01

Guys, any thoughts on whether there was any Khalistani traitors' help to Pakis on this attack? Something doesn't add up, I mean how could a bunch of rag tag Jihadis enter such an elite Indian air force base? In any case, I am sure the loop holes will be plugged based on lessons learnt from this.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2016 20:04

Peregrine wrote:Attack on Pathankot air base a 'heinous terrorist act': US

WASHINGTON: The deadly assault on an Indian air base near the Pakistan border Saturday was "a heinous" terrorist attack, the United States said, urging the two countries to work together to hunt down those responsible.



Oh yeah, don't rub salt on our wounds on puke on us and insult our intelligence after supplying military aid to TSP. Bloody arse holes.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Comer » 03 Jan 2016 20:05

Even in the shit hole called Paki-stan there has to be a lowest form of turd. Look at this journo creature's tweets:

omar r quraishi
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Just In... Remaining Pathankot attacker in touch with mother in Pak - mom said Beta agar zinda bach jao tau anday doubleroti zuroor lay aana

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Just In... Remaining Pathankot attacker survived on playing Candy Crush on his Q mobile phone -- also spent time on Twitter praising Afridi

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Avinash R » 03 Jan 2016 20:11

kancha wrote:ShivJi,
The link to your ebook given in first post of the page is not working.


You can find the entire book in blog format at http://pakistanfailedstate.blogspot.in/

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Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2016 20:15

BRao wrote:Gentlemen on this forum go to great lengths to deflect any criticism of Modi. You cut too much slack to him. 'Enemies of humanity'? If MMS had said something like this, he would have been abused in great lengths on SM and on BR but since it happens to Mr.56" chest, all his utterances are chankian. I'm sure folks will find a chankian reason to justify his falling on Nawaz Sharif's mother's feet.



I agree with you on this. The difference is in how one views and trusts the leaders. MMS's love making to TSP is an extension of Cong's "secularism", and IMO, he does not believe in a strong Hindu-dominated India. His pre-dilection is a "South Asia" union. ModiJi on the other hand is a natioanlist, but is constrained for the reasons A_GuptaJi highlighted, and so he is taking a pragmatic approach. Of course, in terms of action on the ground, not much difference, as I said, its depends on whose view of India you subscribe to, and view their helplessness in dealing with TSP in that regard.


Question is why show so much love to the leader of an enemy nation? Even after knowing everything that has gone down between India & Pakistan and no doubt as PM he is privy to all the threats to the nation, he chooses to become a peacenik? Is that what the PM's gaddi does to you?



Just witness how brazenly TSP attacked Patankot air force base, like they did in Mumbai on 26/11. I won't say anything more out of respect for Indian armed forces. But we have to fight with what we have and every other tool at our disposal. And the degree to which you use one tool in your toolset to deal with TSP marks the difference between MMS and ModiJi. So I once again refer you to A_GuptaJi's response.


Even today BJP leaders say 'one small attack' should not derail piss process. How are they different from Congress?



Again, like I compared ModiJi and MMS, in terms of action, not much difference between Cong and BJP (after all, they have the same military that they command), but its their "idea of India" that is the difference.


They do nothing for Hindus, now they do nothing for national security too. Modi is coming across as a major major disappointment despite having a FANTASTIC cabinet. Economic development alone will not win them 2019, he should walk the bloody talk.


Not the topic of this thread IMO.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Avinash R » 03 Jan 2016 20:18

Pathankot attack: BJP indicates peace process may get stalled if Pak's role confirmed

Mohua Chatterjee | TNN | Jan 3, 2016, 06.01 PM IST

NEW DELHI: BJP had on Saturday indicated that if the terror attacks in Pathankot are found to have been supported by the Pakistani establishment, making it clear any evidence of complicity of Pakistan's state actors in the attack, will adversely impact the fresh peace initiative that Prime Minister Narendra Modi has taken with the neighbouring country.

While there has been no change yet in the schedule for the foreign secretary level talks that are on the anvil, any shift in the schedule will depend on the way Pakistan reacts to the attacks. According to sources, whether to go ahead with the talks now hinges on how much the Nawaz Sharif government "cooperates" with the Indian authorities in the aftermath of the attack.

When asked about the possible impact of the terror strike on the Indo-Pak talks, which received a fillip after Modi made a surprise visit to Lahore, party secretary Shrikant Sharma said, "the right decision will be taken at the right time."

BJP has traditionally taken a tough stand on the issue of terror, especially one emanating from Pakistan and any dilution of the terror plank will be seen as a turn-around and go down adversely with its core votery. Hence, it is at odds that the terror strike and peace talks will go together.

The party condemned the attack and congratulated the security forces for "foiling" the terror attack on the air base and said India was capable of giving a befitting reply to such attacks.

"BJP condemns it. Our brave soldiers have foiled the terror attack on the air base. We congratulate our armed forces that they were able to thwart it with their wisdom and valour. India is capable of giving a befitting reply to any terror attack," Sharma said, giving out the party line.

BJP pays its tributes to the soldiers killed in the attack, he added.

BJP took a while to come out with its official line of response to the attack as operation to foil the attack took its time. The party line had to be balanced, at a critical juncture when the peace talks had been initiated rather dramatically by the PM, and BJP's tough line on terror too had to be factored in. The official response had to override some of the first responses that hinted that the peace move "shall not be revoked".

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2016 20:34

^^ What "evidence" is BJP looking for? Jaesh or LeT, or any other pigLeT, it does not confirm TSP role? Give me a break. But in any case, lets hope first and foremost, the remaining pigLeTs are eliminated. I get the feeling that the armed forces were under orders to capture a few pigLeTs alive. Hence the continuing fight. Hopefully, they do get one of them alive. But then again, how does it matter one jot, TSP will deny either way.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby ShyamSP » 03 Jan 2016 20:42

CRamS wrote:^^ What "evidence" is BJP looking for? Jaesh or LeT, or any other pigLeT, it does not confirm TSP role? Give me a break. But in any case, lets hope first and foremost, the remaining pigLeTs are eliminated. I get the feeling that the armed forces were under orders to capture a few pigLeTs alive. Hence the continuing fight. Hopefully, they do get one of them alive. But then again, how does it matter one jot, TSP will deny either way.


All other nations are having fun in punitive strikes on terrorists, India should take opportunity to do some strikes on terror camps inside TSP.
Anything less bode doesn't well for BJP to set them apart. Indians will cheer for India actions at this point in time.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2016 20:55

It all depends on what our military thinks is feasible in terms of hitting Raheel Sheriff, Hafeez Pig & Co. If we end up like a Patankot situation where we bomb a few rocks across LoC, kill a few goats, and maybe a few pigLeTs, while we lose precious lives and material in TSP retaliatory fire, we will end up cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Aditya_V » 03 Jan 2016 20:59

Exactly, our response must hit the Pakistani Miltary, hihgher ranked officers, war fighting capability, accidentally sink an Agosta 90B or shoot down aircraft in carefully planned moves.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Paul » 03 Jan 2016 21:03

In addition to hitting Paki OPs along likely infiltration route with ATGMs, second thing to do is to target the handlers.

If Indian intelligence is so good that we knew OBL was in POK before the CIA, we should know who they are. Pakis are calling Col Rathore's bluff after Nagaland operations...time to see who blinks.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Avinash R » 03 Jan 2016 21:37

Ajit Doval’s First Big Test as NSA Has Arrived

BY K.C. SINGH ON 03/01/2016

The Pathankot attack comes not as a surprise but as an affirmation of what many commentators had anticipated after Narendra Modi’s dramatic stop over at Lahore – that Pakistani spoilers of the renewed peace process were likely to test the resolve of the two prime ministers.

What remained to be seen was whether the challenge would be direct – by the Pakistani military heating things up along the Line of Control, thus revealing their attitude towards the engagement – or indirect, by the India-specific jihadi groups resorting to a dramatic terror attack. The reaction has come in the latter form, replicating the modus operandi of an attack last year in the same region of Punjab.

The question that arises is what impact can it have on Lahore II, Lahore I being the 1999 bus journey undertaken by Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

Since the Congress, was taunted for years by BJP accusations of being soft on terrorism, Pathankot firstly allows the opposition to land easy blows on the Modi government. Actually, both parties would be guilty of political opportunism as the issue is complex and belies partisan handling.

Secondly, the actual test of whether a terror act can undermine the India-­Pakistan dialogue process requires asking whether it has been aided and abetted by elements of the Pakistani state. If India cannot prove such connivance, then the act must not be allowed to vitiate the atmosphere as that is precisely what the perpetrators want to achieve. In other words, non-state actors opposed to normalisation of bilateral relations cannot be handed a veto on India­-Pakistan relations.

The Indian options, however, get complicated as the actual proof of complicity of Pakistani state actors is never available in clear and provable terms. Any conclusions would likely be based on deductive reasoning, stray intercepts etc indicating that the attack could not have been planned and executed without the help of elements of the Pakistani army. The Pathankot attack falls into this category.

Be that as it may, India needs to quickly collate all intelligence that can be gathered from the nature of the attack, the weaponry used, electronic intercepts etc. Surely such a planned attack by a sizeable group, which could not be entirely indigenous, would have had a launch pad back-­up. Whether Pakistan is now ready to address terror meaningfully needs to be tested by seeking cooperation in apprehending and prosecuting the co­-conspirators in Pakistan, and sharing the results of their investigation with India. As they say, the proof of the biryani, Lahori or otherwise, has to be in the eating.

Instead, if Pakistan were to revert to bland denials even in the face of reasonably credible evidence, as they did about Ajmal Kasab, the prime accused in the 26/11, there will be a serious setback to the dialogue process. Going by my experience as the first leader of the India-Pakistan anti­-terror mechanism in 2006 – of which today’s NSA-level grouping is a clone at a higher level – the likelihood of a pro­-active response from Pakistan may be remote.

One inkling of that was the absence of the Pakistani National Security Adviser, Lt Gen Nasir Janjua from the Lahore gathering where the Indian NSA, Ajit Doval was present. The excuse that he did not have adequate notice is not credible because he would have had access to a helicopter. Moreover, it is unimaginable that Nawaz Sharif would not have kept the army in the loop about the imminent arrival of Modi. Perhaps Pakistan, or at least their army, didn’t want Janjua in Lahore as they wanted the focus not on terror but on the resumption of comprehensive bilateral dialogue – which the two foreign secretaries, both of whom were in Lahore, are tasked to do.

With Pathankot, Ajit Doval’s first big test has arrived. News reports of how NSG commandos were deployed in time or that great defence-­civil coordination was achieved will be of little help to him or he government. Doval has to make his channel with Janjua show results. Otherwise it will be back to the cycle of talk­s, terror­, bicker­ing, and talks.

K.C. Singh is a former Indian ambassador

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Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2016 21:40

A full-fledged attack across the LoC is exactly what TSPA and its RAPE would like. It will completely shift the fous away from Patankot and Paki pigLeTs, and it will be India TSP, India TSP, nuke flashpoint etc; and we will have the usual tamasha of some level state dept official feeling more important than a king descending into "South Asia" and mediating between India and TSP. It will be a squalid equal equal spectacle narrated round the clock by scum bags like Burka and others on DDM.

My opinion is that Patankot has happened, India has been hit, our inadequacies exposed. Lets wait for the dust to settle, see if we can quietly hit TSP where it hurts, like one of those attacks against a TSP bases a while back, while maintaining the diplomatic pressure on TSP terror. Use Uncle to the extent possible without letting him "mediate" which he is itching to do. The focus should be on terror, terror, and terror.

It will be painful to watch as TSP also maneuvers to outwit India, but thats the optimal course of action given India's military limitations to strike decisively against TSP.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Picklu » 03 Jan 2016 21:41

Comer wrote:Even in the shit hole called Paki-stan there has to be a lowest form of turd. Look at this journo creature's tweets:

omar r quraishi
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Just In... Remaining Pathankot attacker in touch with mother in Pak - mom said Beta agar zinda bach jao tau anday doubleroti zuroor lay aana

@omar_quraishi
Just In... Remaining Pathankot attacker survived on playing Candy Crush on his Q mobile phone -- also spent time on Twitter praising Afridi


Nimbupani merits a solid kick in his nimboo s :evil:

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Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2016 21:44

Absolute unadulterated trash by K.C. Singh setting the bar so high. No f@cking "non state actor" can accomplish this kind of an attack without state suport. Whats the BS distinction between "non state" and "state" actors when it comes to Indian interests. Thats for TSP and its 3.5 to spin, not India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby CRamS » 03 Jan 2016 21:47

Picklu, Comer, its not just that pig, entire TSP is gloating as a nation. So lets not get our BP watching that.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 03 Jan 2016 21:57

Indian consulate in Mazar-i-Sharif, Afghanistan, under attack.
per Times Now breaking news.

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Postby Chinmayanand » 03 Jan 2016 22:05

While the US is busy putting sanctions on Russia, Modi has been out rescuing them with multibillion dollar deals. So, Uncle Sam decided to teach him a lesson. A nudge-nudge wink-wink to ISI to show him his place.
Except this, nothing explains the paki aggression in Pathankot and now Afghanistan. Even 26/11 had full US support.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 03 Jan 2016 22:07

Revealed: Unhappy over Sharif-Modi bonhomie, Pak Army, ISI plotted Pathankot attack!
http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/rev ... 41194.html

New Delhi: Unhappy over the fresh bonhomie between Nawaz Sharif and Narendra Modi, Pakistan Army Chief Raheel Sharif in collaboration with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligences (ISI) hatched the deadly Pathankot attack, said sources.

It has further emerged that the plot to attack the Pathankot Air Force base was hatched in Rawalpindi.

Citing sources, Zee TV said that the aim of the attack is to derail the peace process initiated by PM Modi and vitiate the current bilateral relations.

It is also to increase tension between the two nations so that the upcoming foreign secretary-level talks get cancelled, sources said.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby RajeshG » 03 Jan 2016 22:17

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Postby A_Gupta » 03 Jan 2016 22:18

K.C. Singh above:
Secondly, the actual test of whether a terror act can undermine the India-­Pakistan dialogue process requires asking whether it has been aided and abetted by elements of the Pakistani state. If India cannot prove such connivance, then the act must not be allowed to vitiate the atmosphere as that is precisely what the perpetrators want to achieve. In other words, non-state actors opposed to normalisation of bilateral relations cannot be handed a veto on India­-Pakistan relations.


Well, Indian government can show itself to be determined, undeflectable but flexible, e.g., by announcing beforehand, that, e.g., upto January 16th, whatever happens short of a formal declaration of war, foreign secretary talks will happen on January 15th. On January 16th, next whatever-will-happen will be announced, and is not predetermined.

That is, there is no uninterruptible dialog; but an announced short-term schedule will be met, no matter almost what. Whether the next round happens is evaluated depending on what has happened by the end of the short-term schedule.

Announcing after the attacks on Pathankot and Mazar-i-Sharif that India has recalculated but is continuing with the talks is an open invitation to be kicked around.

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Postby sooraj » 03 Jan 2016 22:32

Chinmayanand wrote:While the US is busy putting sanctions on Russia, Modi has been out rescuing them with multibillion dollar deals. So, Uncle Sam decided to teach him a lesson. A nudge-nudge wink-wink to ISI to show him his place.
Except this, nothing explains the paki aggression in Pathankot and now Afghanistan. Even 26/11 had full US support.


And India decides to help Russia by sending troops to Syria, that will be a good response

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Brad Goodman » 03 Jan 2016 22:35

If all the voice calls were intercepted then how come these piglets were not tracked by their location? How were the voice calls intercepted

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Postby Avinash R » 03 Jan 2016 22:36

ISI, Pak army responsible for Pathankot attack: J&K Deputy CM
Says forces who do not want peace vitiated the atmosphere

January 3, 2016 Last Updated at 17:32 IST

Jammu and Kashmir Deputy Chief Minister Nirmal Singh today said Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI and its army were responsible for the attack on the Air Force base in Pathankot in which seven security personnel were killed.

"The entire atmosphere is being vitiated by the ISI, the (Pakistani) army and the separatist groups and their henchmen who have done this (attacked the Air Force base)," Singh told reporters on the sidelines of a function here.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had taken a daring step by visiting Pakistan last month, however the forces who do not want peace vitiated the atmosphere, he said.

"Whatever the issue is, it has to be resolved through dialogue. Prime Minister Narendra Modi took a big daring step, a major diplomatic step...While on his way back from Afghanistan, (he) went to Lahore and attended the marriage ceremony at the house of Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif," he said.

"That (the visit) sent a message, but the entire atmosphere is being vitiated by the ISI, the army and the separatist groups and their henchmen who have done this," he said.

The central government was reviewing the situation and will take further steps keeping in mind the interests of the people of the country, he said.

Appreciating the role played by the security forces, Singh said that they played a commendable role in containing the attack.

"Yesterday's incident...I must say that our security forces, the army, the Punjab police have done a wonderful job, the three men who laid down their life for the nation as the terrorists neutralised by the security forces were fully equipped," he said.

He further said that the incident sends a message to Pakistan and the agencies there that the Indian security agencies won't let their nefarious designs succeed in India.

"So this sends a message to Pakistan and the agencies in Pakistan that are doing this, that such type of actions won't succeed here.

"This is clear message to them that as far as our security is concerned, there is no compromise on it. And we also agree that all the issues can be resolved only through dialogue," he said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Chinmayanand » 03 Jan 2016 22:37

If Chanakya had been alive today , on seeing our foreign policy & defence policy he might have taken jal-samadhi or bhu-samadhi .

It's amazing what he achieved with a single well trained disciple while GoI groans and moans with its multi-million well trained soldiers , hundreds of learned bureaucrats and gazillions of politicos and ofcourse billions of dollars worth of mil hardware and stock of ballistic missiles and nuclear bums.

Ye kahan aa gaye hum ...

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Avinash R » 03 Jan 2016 22:41

^chanakya was not alive when islam was invented by the desert bandit to enrich himself.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby JwalaMukhi » 03 Jan 2016 22:48

sooraj wrote:And India decides to help Russia by sending troops to Syria, that will be a good response

...with UN approval.

And India seems to apply same standards and awaits UN approval to defend India
. Sigh... Everytime a huge speculation could it be pakis?
India has not learnt that it is in civilizational conflict and usually it is a zero sum game. India has forgotten offense (not necessarily overt) is also a form of defense. However, Indian establishment is very keen on pitching to SDREs than to systematically deconstruct pak. Hence, every so often we see Indian ministers mouthing "peace is the ONLY option with pak". This type of compulsion is not even on the radar of paki politicians/establishment, not even for international compulsion.

Have pakis capability to inflict terror better than previous years? If yes, India is not taking correct steps and is in compulsive mode to manage perception towards to Indian populace. Has pakis capability blunted?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Avinash R » 03 Jan 2016 22:50

Comer wrote:Even in the shit hole called Paki-stan there has to be a lowest form of turd. Look at this journo creature's tweets:

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Just In... Remaining Pathankot attacker in touch with mother in Pak - mom said Beta agar zinda bach jao tau anday doubleroti zuroor lay aana

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Just In... Remaining Pathankot attacker survived on playing Candy Crush on his Q mobile phone -- also spent time on Twitter praising Afridi


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So now the Briturds are funding terror apologists?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Chinmayanand » 03 Jan 2016 22:50

sooraj wrote:
And India decides to help Russia by sending troops to Syria, that will be a good response


Sir ji, why go so far ? Bahawalpur and pok are near. Why not pluck the low hanging fruits first ?

IA has been practising Cold Start for a decade now. What for ?

We did not give a befitting reply on Kandhar hijack , parliament attack , mumbai attack and now this Pathankot attack. I bet GoI would do nothing even if Pak uses nukes. It's not in the dna of the establishment. No attack will be big enough for GoI to respond. Cowards will always be short of reasons and warriors will always find a way to war.

Pakis are in everyway inferior to us but they have the mentality to wage war till victory. We just don't have the will to goto war on pretext of economy , peace , developmemt bla bla.

Like it's said in Zen meditation ," This too shall pass."

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby sanjaykumar » 03 Jan 2016 22:50

I have been asked again with that air of superiority why India and Pakistan fight when they are the same people.

I showed them a high point in their respective cultural endeavours and oobjectives of their collective culture.


Pakistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eoNLlHzPhI


India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inEu2qQuGZ8


He thought I was joking and being selective.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby svinayak » 03 Jan 2016 23:07

A_Gupta wrote:K.C. Singh above:
Secondly, the actual test of whether a terror act can undermine the India-­Pakistan dialogue process requires asking whether it has been aided and abetted by elements of the Pakistani state. If India cannot prove such connivance, then the act must not be allowed to vitiate the atmosphere as that is precisely what the perpetrators want to achieve. In other words, non-state actors opposed to normalisation of bilateral relations cannot be handed a veto on India­-Pakistan relations.


Well, Indian government can show itself to be determined, undeflectable but flexible, e.g., by announcing beforehand, that, e.g., upto January 16th, whatever happens short of a formal declaration of war, foreign secretary talks will happen on January 15th. On January 16th, next whatever-will-happen will be announced, and is not predetermined.

That is, there is no uninterruptible dialog; but an announced short-term schedule will be met, no matter almost what. Whether the next round happens is evaluated depending on what has happened by the end of the short-term schedule.

Announcing after the attacks on Pathankot and Mazar-i-Sharif that India has recalculated but is continuing with the talks is an open invitation to be kicked around.


Indian govt will continue the state to state relations with TSP state.
Modi will continue the contacts and talks on terrorism with the P State


Now the non state actors and their activities will be closely followed and any links to the Pak state will be exposed and that will become the main topic of discussion.

India may tell the Pak state that they will help in curtailing the pak non state actors and will enter Pak state to help it.

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

Postby Peregrine » 03 Jan 2016 23:13

Fourteen dead as bus cylinder blows up in Karak
KARAK: Fourteen people including women were killed while three others sustained wounds when a gas cylinder installed in a wedding party bus blew up at Kanda Khurram in Karak on Sunday.

According to police sources, four women were among the people who lost their lives in the cylinder blast.

The wedding party bus was moving from Dadu Shah to Terri when all of a sudden the gas cylinder fueling the bus blew up with a loud blast at Kanda Khurram.

The injured passengers were rushed to a nearby hospital for treatment.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Satya_anveshi » 03 Jan 2016 23:23

Pakis requests for talks; Puki sponsors keep lecturing India about talks;

India gets defensive and says talks and terror cannot go on;

After predictable terror incidents, there is always pressure on India to stop talks and pressure on Puki civvies to keep the talks going;

Then there are expectations for talks to be uninterrupted / uninterrupt-able;

All this makes one wonder, what are talks really about?

The perception this definitely leaves is there is something India to lose/give and Pakis (at least a section of pukis) to gain from talks?


If that is so, what are the reasons behind such an expected outcome? How does talks lead to India giving/losing and Pukis gaining?
- Is it the J&K settlement?
- Is it some financial aid that must go thru India?
- Is it pukistan's international isolation (which is definitely not strong)?
- Is it release of military pressure that is too much for Pak to bear?
- or something else?

Now, only fools expect India to engage in one sided giving and not expecting in return - not even a total messed up resident non-indian will think along this line.

Nor India/Indians will shy away from talks for the talks sake - this is one area even worst critic of Indians will have to hand the championship trophy to Indians hands down.

So, what is to be given by Pukis in return that India wants?
- Is it CRE of Puki Nuclear Infra?
- Is it total elimination of non-state infra?
- Is it drastic reduction of Paki military industrial complex?
- Is it access to afghanistan and neutralization of the so called strategic depth?
- Is it MFN which has not much real value for Indian companies?


The stark reality is, if Pakistan isn't able to contain terror at its home, how will it guarantee the same to India and even more so how good is expecting any of the major items listed above in the give/take in talks?

With this background, what good are talks about and why even play that game?

However, we have to get out of the perception battle that talks are unfavorable to India and hence we object to it. We have nothing to lose or gain because Pakistan lacks credibility and even capability to honor the negotiated settlement.

We must open talks at all levels and say we are ready for it provided pukistan pays for all the expense at our designated place in our capital, follow our strict restrictions for people involved in it as with any international engagement, and continue this repeatedly week after week. While at it, increase the covert ops until the time pukistan starts feeling the pain and starts saying it does not want talks with India anymore.


So, what do we really gain out of this approach?

This approach will leave our H&D intact but at an elevated level of offensive engagements and may invite higher rate of reaction. In my view this will eventually lead to war and therefore settlement on our terms.

Question is whether we are ready to bear the increased costs and even be able to handle the settlement that will come with its own problems.

IMO, we can deal with the outcomes and they open up new possibilities.
If I were PM, I will take this new path and issue a "khabardaar"/"saawadhaan" to pukistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby JwalaMukhi » 03 Jan 2016 23:36

Single important metric is

Has pakistan's ability to foment terror reduced?


Everything else is saahas-bahu serial melodrama type for consumption of SDREs. paks are not impressed with feet-touching, hugging etc., those are staple diet on any soap-opera.
No need for dramatic action hero type, james bond filmi style actions. The actions should be systematic where pakis capability to sustain themselves should be a struggle. Their area of operation should remain curtailed only within pak.


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