Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Falijee » 08 Jan 2016 21:07

Pakistan China Davis Cup Moved To Sri- Lanka Over Security Concerns :roll:

1. So, Badmash must have included this item, in his recent discussions there. And Sri- Lanka should be geared for an influx of "economic refugees" from Pakiland. :mrgreen:
2. If Chini- blothers have " security concerns" over "just" a tennis match, imagine their future "security concerns" over the much touted Economic corridor - all sorts of danger awaits them - from the Islamic Brigades, the dacoits and of course the Balochi natives, who are rightly protesting against the "sell out" of their native soil. :mrgreen:
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Postby Falijee » 08 Jan 2016 21:35

China attaches high priority to relations with Pakistan: Xi Jinping :((
Appears to be a propagandu piece published by a ISPR approved Paki paper to reassure the Aam Abduls of the commitment of the "higher than mountain fliend".
One possible reason for the release of this farticle at this time, would be the recent concerns expressed in the West about the fate of the Chini economy, which is being reflected in the nose-diving of the Shanghai stock exchange and the corresponding multiplier effect on the Western Stock Exchanges.
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Postby Peregrine » 08 Jan 2016 21:58

Peregrine wrote:Pakistan extends help to India to completely eliminate terrorism
In line with Pakistan’s commitment to effectively counter and eradicate terrorism, the meeting reviewed progress made on the information provided by the government of India on the incident. It was decided to remain in touch with the government of India in this regard.

SSridhar wrote:Already, I see contours of perfidy in the above.

Pakistan's 'commitment' is like the slogan 'Pakistan is a victim of terrorism'. Both are equally perfidious. The 'commitment' is only to eliminate 'bad Taliban' as much as the 'victimhood' was due to the same 'bad Taliban' that Pakistan itself nurtured to unleash on others. Unluckily for them, they turned upon their very masters.

'Remain in touch with GoI' means that Pakistan would continue to demand more evidence as it did in 26/11 but taking care to put on a show of being more serious, more cooperative and less confrontational this time around.

Of course Pakistan would demand no cancellation or delay. Even if they don't start on Jan 15, they would demand as soon as they pretend to catch somebody. The trouble for us is going to be in determining when Pakistan has done enough to resume talks. The minimal and cosmetic Pakistani efforts would make our peaceniks, left (il)liberals, intellectuals, artistes, thinkers, eminent personalities, industrialists and the US to demand resumption. Even if Pakistan makes no efforts and the talks fail to happen as a result, these same quarters will cite the diminishing returns of the 'no talks' policy (as though talks always lead to appreciating returns) to change the GoI policy. Ultimately, the Government has to completely ignore this group and do what it has set out to do, namely 'fixing' the Pakistani problem. The issue is no longer J&K, border dispute, water, Hyderabad, Junagadh etc. The issue is PAKISTAN.

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One can't really believe that Cwapistan will ever have Lasting Peace with India. India has now got to take not the strongest but DRASTIC action possibly by downgrading its Diplomatic representation in Cwapistan. In addition limiting all India Visit to Pakistanis to "Pilgrimage Visits" may, as I don't see even that would bring the Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable cwaPistan to its senses, over a period of time make the Cwapistanis realize that India is serious in its demand for Cwapistan to Totally Stop its perpetration of Terrorism in India.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Falijee » 08 Jan 2016 21:59

Pakistan Exported 200,000 Donkey Hides In The Last Three Years

During question hour, the minister stated that Pakistan has exported 199,860 donkey hides in the last three years. Demand of any country seeking donkey hides has been fulfilled. The tariff is not a big issue, he added. In the same period, 6,950 horse hides were exported; however, Pakistan has not exported any lion or bear skin.
Meanwhile, PML-N’s Tahira Aurangzeb questioned that where does the donkey meat go. The minister replied that he is unaware of the facts and will submit his response after getting details from the provinces.
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The donkey meat was labelled as beef, "exported" to La-Whore, where it was consumed with relish by the Aam Abduls as well as the La-Whore Elites in the famous "food street" :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby abhishek_sharma » 08 Jan 2016 22:42

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Proofs given by India not enough: Pak sources

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Postby abhishek_sharma » 08 Jan 2016 22:43

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Indo-Pak Foreign Secretary-level talks to be held tentatively on Jan. 15

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Postby Chinmayanand » 08 Jan 2016 23:04

^^^Here comes the befitting reply as promised by HM Shri Rajnath Singh .
Only time GoI responded to terror was when politicians got attacked at parliament .Rest are fair game for the establishment . Op Parakram was to tell Pak that a go at politicians is a strict no-no. Message conveyed and taken.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Falijee » 08 Jan 2016 23:10

Isolate, Contain, Suffocate and Fight Pakistan
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The Indian strategy against this known enemy must be this: isolate, contain, suffocate and fight. When you know the cobra sitting in a hole, you do not extend a hand of friendship; you smoke that cobra to death.

Fully agree!
Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif telephones our prime minister after a terror attack and we become happy, while his country has been protecting jihadist commander Maulana Masood Azhar since 1999.
The recent Pakistani attack on the Indian Air Force (IAF) base in Pathankot has demonstrated once again that India’s enemy is bold: it invades our territory frequently, fights for several days and kills our soldiers.

India is forced to fight the battle on its own soil, not in the enemy’s territory. After each attack, Home Minister Rajnath Singh says: “We will give a befitting reply.” India waits for the enemy to attack so that it can offer a reply. Contrary to us, the enemy is on the offensive. India’s character is peaceful. As a result, for thousands of years, foreigners have invaded us.
Former President Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam observed: “In 3000 years of our history, people from all over the world have come and invaded us, captured our lands, conquered our minds. From Alexander onwards. The Greeks, the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Dutch, all of them came and looted us, took over what was ours. Yet we have not done this to any other nation. We have not conquered anyone. We have not grabbed their land, their culture, their history tried to enforce our way of life on them.”
India has never invaded any country.

We have become a nation of cowards. We have always welcomed foreign invaders, lived with them and dined with them. It is not surprising then that India’s intellectuals, government officials, journalists and diplomats routinely advise the government to hold peace talks with Pakistan, knowing fully that this enemy will not desist.
A nation’s political and military leaders make decisions in a social atmosphere of ideas. India’s atmosphere of ideas is shaped by its journalists and commentators. Many journalists based in Delhi are also on the payroll of the Pakistani military’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which creates and nurtures terrorist groups.

And many probably, not even knowing that they are being used as "agents of influence" !
During its first year, the Modi government adopted a correct policy on the Pakistan border. For each Pakistani firing, India fought back strongly. Pakistanis were surprised. Peace ensued on the border. But the Pakistani Lobby in Delhi succeeded in convincing that Modi must visit Pakistan.
On December 25 when Modi was in Lahore, I tweeted: “After Modi’s Lahore visit, I will watch if there are terror attacks on Indian targets in Afghanistan or inside India.” Any expert could forecast that Modi’s Lahore visit will lead to terror attacks. After the Pathankot attack, the Indian Consulate in Mazar-e-Sharif was attacked, while the Indian Consulate in Jalalabad was also targeted.
Shiv Sena rightly said: Modi’s tea with Nawaz Sharif cost seven Indian soldiers in Pathankot. True that Modi went to extend a hand of friendship. But when you know the cobra sitting in a hole, you do not extend a hand of friendship; you smoke that cobra to death.

[quote]During its first year, the Modi government adopted a correct policy on the Pakistan border. For each Pakistani firing, India fought back strongly. Pakistanis were surprised. Peace ensued on the border. But the Pakistani Lobby in Delhi succeeded in convincing that Modi must visit Pakistan.
[quote]And then the U.S. State Department took over India’s Pakistan policy. Under U.S. pressure, Modi sent Vice President Hamid Ansari to Turkmenistan in December to attend the ground-breaking ceremony of the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline.

Also, there are signs that Modi, like A.B. Vajpayee, wants to become a world leader by forging friendship with Pakistan. Before the attack in Pathankot, what was India losing by not holding talks with Pakistan? Why is it that the TAPI cannot wait for next twenty years?

If the U.S. is interested in shaping South Asia, why is it funding Pakistan’s jihadist military and its ISI, which launched attacks in Kargil, Mumbai and numerous times in Kashmir, and now in Punjab?

India’s Pakistan policy has been taken over by the Pakistani Lobby of Delhi and the U.S. State Department.

In his book Magnificent Delusions, former Pakistani ambassador to the U.S. Husain Haqqani notes that M.A. Jinnah held a meeting in May 1947, when Pakistan was still an idea, with two U.S. officials: Raymond Hare of the U.S. State Department and Thomas Weill of the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi. Jinnah told them: the creation of Pakistan was “essential to prevent ‘Hindu imperialism’ [from] spreading” to the Middle East.
Wings of Fire: Abdul Kalam's book

Wings of Fire: Abdul Kalam’s book

Within a month of Pakistan’s creation in August 1947, Jinnah and other officials of the newly created Pakistan were interviewed by Margaret Bourke-White of LIFE magazine. Jinnah told her: “America needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs America.” Pakistani officials told Bourke-White: “Surely America will build our army”; “Surely America will give us loans to keep Russia from walking in.”

If Bourke-White were interviewing Pakistani officials today, they would tell her this: America will fund our army to prevent terrorists. And then they would go on to create more terrorists.

Pakistan creates and nurtures terrorists with a dual aim: to keep the U.S. giving it money. To illustrate the point by current example, Pakistan began using F-16 fighter planes in Waziristan to bomb terrorists so that the U.S. will release funds for the Pakistani army. F-16 planes are meant to fight enemy states, not terrorists. In her book Fighting to the End, Christine Fair writes: “Pakistan’s efforts to employ political Islamists, and later Islamist militants in Afghanistan, began as early as the late 1950s.”

Pakistan’s use of jihadists in Kashmir in 1947-48 is well known to Indian readers. The use of jihadists was boosted by a strategy of infiltration as argued by Brig. A. A. K. Niazi, who would go on to surrender in Dhaka in 1971 to a victorious India.

Niazi wrote in 1964: “infiltration implies by-passing of enemy posts by relatively small parties which penetrate deep and unseen into the defences and converge at a pre-designated objective”; infiltration “will achieve much better results with far lesser casualties than any other form of attack.”

Over half a century since Niazi wrote these words, India is dealing with infiltration of Pakistani jihadists in Kashmir and now in Punjab. The best advice for India is: isolate this known enemy, do not have dinner with it; freeze talks and cricket with Pakistan.

The Indian strategy against this known enemy must be this: isolate, contain, suffocate and fight.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Peregrine » 08 Jan 2016 23:12


1. Pakistan 2nd in World in Donkey Population, Banned Donkey Skin Export After Donkey Meat Scandal



2.Pakistan sees a rise by 100,000 in the number of donkeys in 2014-15
According to the Economic Survey for the fiscal year 2014-2015, the number of donkeys in Pakistan increased to 5.0 million from 4.9 million.

Total Donkey Population of India
2007 : 438,000 - 2012 : 319,000


Statisticians of this forum can now calculate the Pakistani Donkey Quotient and compare it to the Indian Donkey Quotient
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Prem » 08 Jan 2016 23:21

Peregrine"[quote="Falijee wrote:2.Pakistan sees a rise by 100,000 in the number of donkeys in 2014-15
According to the Economic Survey for the fiscal year 2014-2015, the number of donkeys in Pakistan increased to 5.0 million from 4.9 millionTotal Donkey Population of IndiaStatisticians of this forum can now calculate the Pakistani Donkey Quotient and compare it to the Indian


Like the Taxi driver in Delhi told esteem Paki visitor enquiring about rare visibility of Donkeys in public in India and abundance of them in Pakistan . Partition had its own benefit in majority donkeys moving to their natural habitat Pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2016 00:14

The Saudi - Conundrum :mrgreen:
Good analysis by Hajam Sethi

The House of Saud is flexing its muscle in the Middle East and beyond. After the installation of a pro-US Shi’ite regime in Iraq in 2003, it extended support to the Sunni opposition led by Al Qaeda’s Abu Musab al Zarqawi. Following the Arab spring in 2011-12, it intervened aggressively in Syria by supporting extremist Sunni forces against the Baathist regime. Last year, it went into Yemen all guns blazing against the Shi’ite Houthis. Last week it executed Nimr-al-Nimr, a Shi’ite cleric in its eastern oil rich Shi’ite province for demanding greater rights. Now it has severed diplomatic relations with Iran for protesting Nimr’s execution. Saudi Arabia has cobbled a 34 nation Sunni alliance against Shi’ite “terrorism” and is pressurising Islamabad for material support. How should Pakistan respond? Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran were once, like Pakistan, US-partners in the cold war against Soviet communism. But after the Iranian revolution in 1979, they became sworn enemies when the Saudis backed Saddam Hussain’s war with Iran for a decade in the 1980s. Pakistan wisely stayed out of the conflict, but Iran was cool, suspecting Islamabad of being a Trojan horse for the Saudi-American conspiracy to overthrow the Iranian regime. In 1987, there were riots during Hajj in which over 400 Shi’ite Iranians were killed, provoking Iranian mobs to attack the Saudi embassy in Teheran and compelling the Saudis to cut diplomatic relations with Iran after it began to threaten the oil lanes in the Gulf. Relations improved for a while under the moderate Iranian regime of President Rohani in the 2000s but nosedived again following reports of Iranian attempts to build a nuclear bomb. The Saudis then went so far as to encourage the US and Israel to attack Iran’s nuclear installations even as the international community was desperately trying to avoid inflaming the Middle East by negotiating a nuclear freeze with Teheran. Hajj riots in 2015 in which over 2000 people were killed, including over 400 Iranians, strained relations once again. Why is Saudi Arabia so anti-Shia? The problem lies at home. The oil rich eastern seaboard provinces of Saudi Arabia are overwhelmingly Shi’ite. Since the Iranian revolution they have been emboldened to demand greater freedom and economic rights from the House of Saud. Instead of pacifying them, the House of Saud has chosen to opt for repression at home and military dominance and intervention in the region against Shi’ites. It has also unleashed its extremist Wahhabi clergy and ideology against Shi’ism all over the world. In short, the House of Saud has irrevocably embarked on a strategy to fuel a sectarian war in the region and beyond. Until now, the Saudi influence in Pakistan has been limited to funneling money to extremist Sunni mullahs, mosques and non-state actors/groups. The jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan was exclusively led by Sunni groups and parties. The Saudis were active partners with Pakistan in recognizing the Sunni Taliban regime in 1997 and only backed off when the Taliban openly lent support to Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda that was hostile to the Faustian bargain between the House of Saud and the USA – oil for Sunni-Wahhabi ideology. The backlash of these policies manifested itself in the rise of anti-Shia militias and Lashkars in Pakistan which eventually extended their tentacles and alliances into the domain of Al Qaeda, Taliban and now ISIS. This has created a potentially volatile situation in Pakistan. The government of Nawaz Sharif has been prodded by the military under General Raheel Sharif to unfurl a National Action Plan to combat all forms of terrorism, including sectarianism, that pose an existential threat to state and society. According to General Sharif, sectarian-IS poses the greatest danger to Pakistan and the military will not allow it to take root. Therefore the military is encouraging the PMLN government to resort to extra judicial measures to degrade and eliminate the sectarian Lashkars. It is in this context of its geo-strategic sectarian agenda that any Pakistani alliance or cooperation with the House of Saud must be seen. The Sharif government has wisely stayed out of the conflict in Yemen despite Saudi pressure because it was able to hold a debate in parliament that demonstrated a national consensus against any such interventionism that could lead to terrible sectarian backlash at home. Now it is on the horns of another dilemma when faced with the challenge of reconciling its long-term friendship and economic interests in Saudi Arabia with the grim prospects of dealing with the sectarian challenge at home that is bound to get a fillip if Pakistan enters the anti-Shia alliance brokered by the Saudis. Pakistan must not get embroiled in the sectarian wars of the Middle-East. We are already facing problems on both borders with India and Afghanistan. Extreme Sunni ideologies are undermining our state and society. It is time to look inward and consolidate our gains in the war against extremism instead of renting ourselves out again to foreign powers for short term material gains. - See more at: http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/the-saudi-conundrum/#sthash.94CNlgQY.dpuf

Badmash, as reported elsewhere, caught between a "rock and a hard place" ; specially him being considered by the Saudis as being "part of the extended royal family"; a question of a "small conflict of interest" :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby nirav » 09 Jan 2016 00:17

Part of the extended royal family hainji ?

Its more like royal family's butler ..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Prem » 09 Jan 2016 00:50

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/chin ... Offstumped

China firm to build mega dam in PoK despite India's strong opposition

A Chinese state-run company on Thursday announced plans to go ahead with a mega dam in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), the latest indicator of Beijing moving forward with major projects in the region despite India's strong opposition.One of China's biggest state-run hydropower companies, the China Three Gorges Corporation (CTGC) which manages the 22,500 MW Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze river - the world's largest dam - has signed an agreement to develop the Kohala hydropower project in PoK, the firm said in a statement posted on its website.This 1,100 MW dam will come up on the Jhelum River, downstream from Muzaffarabad in PoK. The total investment in the project is estimated at $2.4 billion. Both countries had agreed on a 30-year tariff for the dam, according to Pakistani media reports.The deal for the dam underlines China's willingness to go forward with major projects in PoK, despite India's consistent opposition.Indian officials have pointed out China's objections to joint exploration projects between India and Vietnam in the South China Sea, most of which is claimed by Beijing.Beijing, however, has said the 'purely commercial' projects were without prejudice to the Kashmir issue and that it was not taking a position on territorial disputes between India and Pakistan.The Kohala dam has been billed as a key project in the new China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) venture that envisages widening the Karakoram Highway, exploring a railway link and a number of energy and infrastructure projects in a corridor connecting Kashgar, in China's far western Xinjiang region, through PoK, to the Gwadar port in Pakistan on the Arabian Sea that is built and managed by China.

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Postby nirav » 09 Jan 2016 00:57

Yallah, I wish godspeed to Chinese and packees for this 2.4 billion dollar worth of target in paki land.

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Postby A_Gupta » 09 Jan 2016 02:32

http://swarajyamag.com/world/why-india- ... agreement/
"Why India Wants To Enter Af-Pak Trade And Transit Agreement"

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Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2016 03:04

US gives wide berth to Pak on Pathankot probe - Chidanand Rajghatta, ToI
United States on Thursday gave Pakistan a wide berth on the Pathankot terror attack, essentially saying Islamabad could take its own sweet time investigating the assault.

Washington also suggested Pakistan should be trusted with the investigations despite its dubious record in the matter, and that it (the US) understood bringing perpetrators of terrorism to justice "can be hard."

"I can't speak for how long it might take them to complete an investigation or the degree to which they intend to be transparent about it after they've completed it," was among the many astonishing assertions made by state department spokesperson John Kirby during a daily briefing on Thursday.

"It's not for us to ascribe a timeline to somebody else's investigation. Obviously, in all investigations, you want it to be thorough and you want it to be complete. And clearly, we all like them to be done as quick as possible and transparently discussed when it's complete. But this is for the Government of Pakistan to sort out how long this investigation is going to take," Kirby added.

Kirby's rationale for Pakistan's need for timeless investigation was the "awful long time" it took the United States to bring Osama bin Laden to justice, a fact that overlooked bin Laden being hidden from US eyes for nearly a decade (purportedly by the Pakistani military-intelligence establishment) in contrast to Pakistani terrorists such as Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed who operate in plain sight under protection of its military intelligence establishment.

In fact, Kirby did not even refer to the State Department's own $ 10 million bounty for information on Hafiz Saeed, lying unclaimed.

The extraordinary briefing was replete with stirring defence of Pakistan by the US spokesman. Here are some of the exchanges.

QUESTION: Yes, you talked to them when Nawaz Sharif was here. And if you remember the joint statement.. He promised that he's going to go back and take action against these terror groups. Has he taken action?

MR KIRBY: A couple of points. Pakistan itself has condemned this attack and made clear that they're committed to investigate it. So let's let them do that and let's see where the investigation goes.

QUESTION: Bruce Riedel, who previously worked with NSC and now is with a think tank, wrote an op-ed yesterday saying that ISI was involved behind this terrorist attack in Pathankot and also in Mazar-e-Sharif. What do you say about that?

MR KIRBY: I saw Mr Riedel's piece. I'm not in a position to confirm the veracity of his conclusions. What I can tell you is that the Government of Pakistan itself condemned this attack. They said they're going to investigate it. They said they're not going to discriminate between terrorist groups when they conduct counterterrorism operations. They've been very open about that, and we look forward to seeing the results of their investigation.

QUESTION: Informations provided by Bruce Riedel are always taken seriously, but do you have - what is your independent assessment of who was behind this attack?

MR KIRBY: I don't have an independent assessment of who was behind this attack. We don't have an independent assessment. A, it just happened two days ago; B, it's being investigated by the Pakistanis. They've condemned it, we condemned it. Let's let their investigation move forward and we'll see where it goes.

QUESTION: I guess the question is: Do you have confidence in the Pakistanis to conduct an investigation? This is the same Pakistan, right, that condemned 9/11 and yet bin Ladin was found living right next door to a Pakistani military facility.

QUESTION: Academy.

QUESTION: Academy. Still a facility. Right? I mean, they said they had no idea, whatever, but I mean, do you think that they're capable?

MR KIRBY: Well, we certainly look forward to and expect and want to see a thorough, complete, fair, and transparent investigative process. And we're going to have to let it work through.

QUESTION: But you have no timeline for this? You can wait --

MR KIRBY: It's not for --

QUESTION: -- as in the case of Mumbai terrorist attack, 26/11?

MR KIRBY: It's not for us to ascribe a timeline to somebody else's investigation.

The full exchange can be read and heard here: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2016/ ... .htm#INDIA


The US stand is part of a long-serving American policy not to publicly name or shame Pakistan for its well-chronicled involvement in terrorism (which many US officials and analysts acknowledge in private and have even testified in hearings), mainly on account of Washington's dependence on Pakistan for access to land-locked Afghanistan.

At least one US spokesman it the past has been awarded one of Pakistan's highest civilian award Hilal-e-Quaid-e-Azam for his "contribution" to US-Pakistan relations.

The Pakistani media expectedly seized on the wide berth angle, with the Associated Press of Pakistan story crowing, "US says Pakistan to determine its own timeline for Pathankot probe"


The pressure will now be back on India to get on with the talks, exactly as predicted.

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Postby partha » 09 Jan 2016 03:07

See the stress on "Pakistan itself condemned the attack". It gets mentioned again and again. Is US guiding Pakistan how to respond to Pathankot?

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Postby Prem » 09 Jan 2016 04:03

nirav wrote:Yallah, I wish godspeed to Chinese and packees for this 2.4 billion dollar worth of target in paki land.

Going by the rule of thumb , Chinese already charging twice the price for this project.With 17% guaranteed profit by Paki Sarkar, PRC will recover money in under 5 years . But only of Paki have money or they borrow from PeeRC to pay back PeeRC and repeat the same again and again.

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Jan 2016 04:05

World Bank report warns Pakistan of ‘substantial’ fiscal risks

ISLAMABAD: Sovereign guarantees against the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) investment and a likelihood of ramping up spending ahead of the next general elections could carry substantial fiscal risks for Pakistan, warned the World Bank (WB) on Thursday.

In its latest report titled Global Economic Prospects 2016, the Washington-based global lender has highlighted challenges and opportunities that CPEC offers to Pakistan. “Sovereign guarantees associated with CPEC could pose substantial fiscal risks over the medium term,” it noted.

Wathra had said there was a need to divulge more details on debt and investment portions of CPEC, stressing the need for more transparency on part of the government. Pasha had projected that loans contracted under CPEC will push the country’s total external debt to $90 billion.

Commenting on the WB report, Pasha said Pakistan can offset the impact of the loans by increasing its exports by at least 50% in the next three to four years. He added that the game-changing project has financial implications for the country that have to be highlighted for better management of debt.

WB also warned that the hard won fiscal consolidation gains may be lost if spending ramps up in the period ahead of the 2018 elections.

CPEC investment is estimated at around $45 billion until 2030. This includes $11 billion mostly public investment and $33 billion private investment in energy projects. The government has to give sovereign guarantees against the private investment including payments against power produced by the plants set up under CPEC.

WB cautioned that fiscal deficits and public debt levels remain high. It said the debt-to-GDP ratio at 65% was high, which was the result of years of fiscal slippages. It said recently industrial activity has slowed in India and Pakistan, while external trade remains weak
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Postby Falijee » 09 Jan 2016 05:20

Paki Army NOT For Rent- Shia Protesters :roll:
Shia protesters oppose Pakistan's involvement in Saudi-led coalition
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ISLAMABAD: Hundreds of people joined a Shia-led protest in Islamabad on Friday against the government's decision to join Saudi Arabia's 34-country coalition against extremism, as Riyadh's foreign minister ended a two-day visit to the country.
The protesters presented a memorandum to the Foreign Office spokesman demanding Pakistan to drop out of the alliance, which was announced in December and is seen as the latest sign of a more assertive foreign policy by the Saudi kingdom, the dominant Muslim power in the Middle East.
“Neither the Pakistan army nor the nation is for rent,( but it is OK to rent Pak Fauj and equipment to Kuffar US and inflate Coalition invoices) we will oppose any attempts to sell the army to the house of Saud for a few billion riyals,” said Shia activist Gul-e-Zahra, addressing the Friday's rally.

Pakistan announced on Thursday they would join the Saudi-led military alliance to fight “terrorism” in the Islamic world, following a meeting between Riyadh's foreign minister Adel bin Ahmed Al-Jubeir and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.
Saudi Arabia announced the coalition last month, naming Pakistan as a member, but Islamabad had initially reacted cautiously saying it needed further details before deciding the extent of its participation.

Truth be told, the Pakis were caught by surprise as their name was included without consulting them :mrgreen:
In a separate rally in the capital, an estimated 1,500 people chanted slogans against Saudi's execution of Shia cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr on January 2, which sparked a deepening crisis between Riyadh and regional rival Iran.

...however, protests were also held in Islamabad against Iran, with demonstrators accusing Tehran of “meddling “in Saudi Arabia's internal affairs.( = =?) :roll:
The protesters chanted slogans vowing to “lay down their lives for the protection of the custodians of the holy cities”, a term used for the ruling Saudi family.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby arun » 09 Jan 2016 07:28

When Mohammadden religion driven practises cloister away women in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, it is inevitable that deviant paedophilic homosexual rape crops up. In this case, reading between the lines, it appears prominent Mohammadden Adult Male locals picked on a Christist boy child:

Seven-year-old boy in Pakistan 'gang raped and murdered' in Bahawalnagar

More from the Express Tribune which identifies the Adult Male suspects as having the distinctly Mohammadden names of Ayaz, Mujeebur Rehman and Asad:

7-year-old boy dies after being gang raped by 'influentials' in Bahawalnagar

This deviant behaviour is no one off event in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Similar incidents of paedophilic homosexual rape have been reported over the past couple of years or so. Indeed I suspect that the incidents of this nature, by standards of prevalence of deviant behaviour, are quite widespread in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Lahore: 6-year-old boy killed after rape

Sexual assault: Boy allegedly raped by three men

Crime against children: Five-year-old boy raped

Girl, boy gang raped in Hafizabad

Gruesome crime: Kindergarten boy ‘gang-raped’ by principal, others

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Postby Prem » 09 Jan 2016 09:44

Sunni Abbu Ayya, Shia Ko Baghaya

Saudi defence minister to visit Islamabad tomorrow


ISLAMABAD: Saudi Arabia’s deputy crown prince and defence minister, Mohammed bin Salman, is arriving in Islamabad on Sunday to discuss Pakistan’s cooperation in the 34-nation coalition of Islamic countries the Kingdom has recently formed to ostensibly fight terrorism and extremism.
His visit comes just four days after Saudi Arabia’s Foreign Minister Adel al Jubeir travelled to Islamabad and held wide ranging talks with Pakistan’s civil and military leaders, including Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and army chief General Raheel Sharif.A government official told The Express Tribune that the Saudi defence minister is coming to discuss the ‘finer details’ of the coalition. He is expected to meet his Pakistani counterpart along with the army chief and the prime minister.“We welcome the Saudi initiative in line with our policy to support all regional and international efforts to counter terrorism and extremism,” the official added.The official made it clear that Pakistan will not become part of any action that will be against any specific country. “We support a political solution to the Syrian problem without interference from the outside,” the official maintained.Pakistan welcomes Saudi ‘anti-terror’ coalitionAsked whether Pakistan would spare troops for the coalition, the official said details were being worked out. However, Pakistan’s role would remain restricted to intelligence sharing, counter-terrorism training and other activities in the coalition, the official said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Philip » 09 Jan 2016 13:34

X-posted from the Levant td.The Saudi Def. Min who weilds the most power in the KSA.
The most dangerous man in the world?

MBS,aka "Md, (Dust)-Bin Sh*tworm" and his megalaomania!
From the report,he is "puritan-ical",no outward vices, a zealot,who's mantra is "my way or the highway".
His monthly reports being demanded from the Bedou-babus,shows his impatience and a mentality that will not suffer fools.Another Arab Aurangzeb? Given his crusade against Iran and the Shiites, perhaps a fitting quote for him could be this quote of Louis XV, "apres-moi le deluge"!

The most dangerous man in the world?
Saudi Arabia’s defence minister is aggressive and ambitious – and his enemies within and without are in his sights
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the ... 03191.html

Mohammed bin Salman attends a summit of Arab and Latin American leaders in Riyadh AP

When Mohammed bin Salman was just 12 he began sitting in on meetings led by his father Salman, the then governor of Saudi Arabia’s Riyadh Province. Some 17 years later, at 29 and already the world’s youngest defence minister, he plunged his country into a brutal war in Yemen with no end in sight.

Now the kingdom of Saudi Arabia is jousting dangerously with its regional foe Iran, led by a man seemingly in a big hurry to become the Middle East’s most powerful leader.

Prince Mohammed was still in his early teens when he began trading in shares and property. And when he ran into a scrape or two, his father was able to take care of things. Unlike his older half-brothers, MbS, as he is known, did not go abroad to university, choosing to remain in Riyadh where he attended King Saud University, graduating in law. Associates considered him an earnest young man who neither smoked nor drank and had no interest in partying.

In 2011, his father became deputy Crown Prince and secured the prized Ministry of Defence, with its vast budget and lucrative weapons contracts. MbS, as a private adviser, ran the royal court with a decisive hand after his father was named Crown Prince in 2012.

Every step of the way, Prince Mohammed has been with his father , who took his favoured son with him as he rose in the hierarchy of the House of Saud. Within the Saudi religious and business elite it was well understood that if you wanted to see the father you had to go through the son.

Critics claim he has amassed a vast fortune, but it is power, not money, that drives the prince. When Salman ascended the Saudi throne in January 2015, he was already ailing and relying heavily on his son. Aged 79, the King is reported to be suffering from dementia and able to concentrate for only a few hours in a day. As his father’s gatekeeper, MbS is the real power in the kingdom.

That power was dramatically increased in the first few months of Salman’s rule. Prince Mohammed was appointed Defence Minister; put in charge of Aramco, the national energy company; made the head of a powerful new body, the Council for Economic and Development Affairs with oversight over every ministry; and put in charge of the kingdom’s public investment fund. He was named deputy Crown Prince but ensured ascendancy over his rival Mohammed bin Nayef, the Crown Prince and Interior Minister, by absorbing the latter’s royal court into that of the King’s.

Impatient with bureaucracy, MbS has been quick to make his mark by demanding that ministries define and deliver key performance indicators on a monthly basis, unheard of in a sclerotic economic system defined by patronage, crony capitalism and corruption. His sudden early morning visits to ministries demanding to see the books is rapidly becoming the stuff of legend, startling sleepy Riyadh into action and capturing the admiration of young Saudis. “He is very popular with the youth. He works hard, he has a plan for economic reform and he is open to them. He understands them,” enthused one businessman.

That counts, because 70 per cent of the Saudi population is under 30 and youth unemployment is running high, with some estimates putting it at between 20 and 25 per cent.

But the same zeal with which he is pursuing economic reforms has also led Saudi Arabia into a messy war in neighbouring Yemen. Last March, he launched an aerial campaign against rebel Houthi forces that had run the Saudi-installed President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi out of the country. Decades of Saudi caution were thrown to the wind as MbS presided over Operation Decisive Storm.

It must have seemed a very good idea at the time: the young, ambitious son of an aged king leading a war against a rebellion in a troubled southern neighbour. That the rebellion was supported by Iran made the adventure even more attractive. The Saudi military was bristling with new weapons – billions of dollars’ worth. MbS had a powerful older rival in the Interior Minister and wanted to prove his mettle both to his rival and his own supporters. The plan was to win a quick, decisive victory to confirm his stature as a military leader, placing him in the same league as his grandfather Ibn Saud, the great warrior king and founder of modern Saudi Arabia.

MbS ignored the fact that the Houthis were a useful buffer against the real threat to the House of Saud, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). He seemed, too, to have overlooked that the tenacious Houthis had embarrassed the Saudis in a border war just a few years previously. That was in 2009, when they seized the Saudi Red Sea port of Jizan and left only after a substantial payment of some $70m (£48m).

Thus far Operation Decisive Storm has proved anything but. The war has dragged on for close to a year, causing infinite misery to the people of Yemen. In intense aerial bombardments, much of the country’s infrastructure has been destroyed while the Houthis remain defiantly in control of the capital Sanaa and most of the north. In the south, AQAP has had an open field. Undeterred, MbS has vowed to carry on, determined to bomb the Houthis to the negotiating table.

“He is quite belligerent,” says Jason Tuvey, a Middle East economist at Capital Economics. But Tuvey, like many other analysts, has been impressed by Prince Mohammed’s grasp of the often maddeningly complex problems that bedevil the kingdom’s economy. “On the economic front he has done very well. He has shifted policy and he should be commended for that,” Tuvey says.

Where the good in his impetuous nature may come undone is over the growing struggle with Iran for regional hegemony. When MbS announced the formation of a council of 34 Muslim nations in mid-December to combat terrorism, he clearly had Iran in mind. The Iranians have strongly backed the beleaguered Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, both directly and through Hezbollah, a militia trained and armed over the years by Iran. The Saudis are determined to see Assad defeated before any Syrian peace talks commence.

Now, with the Saudis executing the senior Shia cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, a tit-for-tat battle is escalating. The Iranians allowed the sacking of the Saudi embassy in Tehran, and the Saudis together with other Gulf Co-operation council (GCC) states withdrew their ambassadors in retaliation. The apparent bombing of the Iranian embassy in Sanaa has further ratcheted up tensions.

In a widely circulated letter last summer, enemies within the ruling family decried the arrogance of the young prince, even going so far as to call for his ousting along with his father and Mohammed bin Nayef. But those calls have led nowhere and MbS continues to ride a crest of popular support in Saudi Arabia. The question remains, though, how far his impetuous nature will take him in the conflict with Iran.

It is not outside the realm of possibility that this brilliant, brash young man casting himself in his grandfather’s mould as a Sunni warrior may be weighing up the options, may be thinking of a military strike against Shia Iran – a frightening thought in a region already riven by sectarian war.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jan 2016 17:49

Concrete evidence needed from India - DAWN
Pakistan needs concrete evidence from India for acting against the elements it suspects of being involved in the terrorist strike at Pathankot airbase instead of ‘leads’ suggesting the attack was planned and directed from here.

“We are expecting evidence beyond leads and information to proceed as per our law,” a senior official told Dawn in a background discussion after Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif chaired a meeting of his security aides on the Pathankot incident and Pakistan’s response.

The official’s comments provided an insight into Pakistan’s planned response to India, which had shared what was described as ‘leads’ and ‘actionable intelligence’, with Pakistani authorities. Officials had previously said that the shared information included intercepts of telephone calls made by militants to their alleged handlers and the locations of the numbers which they (militants) had called in Pakistan.

Soon after receiving the ‘leads’ Pakistan had acknowledged that they had been shared and were being investigated. PM Sharif, who had then telephoned his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi, assured him of “prompt and decisive action” against those found guilty.

India alleges that militant organisation Jaish-i-Muhammad was behind the attack. Mr Modi in his telephonic conversation with Mr Sharif stressed the need for Pakistan to take firm and immediate action against “the organisations and individuals” India suspected to be linked to the attack.

The meeting at PM House, according to a statement issued by the Prime Minister’s Office, reviewed the “progress on the information shared by India” and decided to continue discussing the matter with Indian authorities.

The session that was attended by almost all the major names in government’s national security hierarchy further underscored the administration’s commitment to cooperate with India in countering terrorism.

Another important message conveyed by the meeting was that the entire political and military leadership and institutions were united in their policy of eliminating terrorism and extremism.

India has apparently linked the upcoming foreign secretaries meeting scheduled for Jan 15 to Pakistan’s response to the information provided by it.

An Indian official, meanwhile, said that Pakistan’s formal response to the shared intelligence was still awaited.

“There is no deadline. But, we hope Pakistan takes action in time so that scheduled foreign secretaries talks are not hampered,” the official added.

The participants of the meeting chaired by PM Sharif, according to PMO statement, hoped that both countries would “remain committed to a sustained, meaningful and comprehensive dialogue process”. {This clearly means that Pakistan would continue to hit us openly because it gave up 'plausible deniability' with us a long time back since it confidently determined that we would not retaliate, Pakistan would expect us to continue the talks now that it thinks India has agreed to an 'uninterrupted & uninterruptible dialogue'}

Those who attended the national security meeting included Chief of Army Staff Gen Raheel Sharif, Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Tariq Fatemi, National Security Adviser retired Lt Gen Nasser Khan Janjua, ISI Director General Lt Gen Rizwan Akhtar, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry and DG Military Operations Maj Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Virendra » 09 Jan 2016 17:50

Jhujar wrote:
nirav wrote:Yallah, I wish godspeed to Chinese and packees for this 2.4 billion dollar worth of target in paki land.

Going by the rule of thumb , Chinese already charging twice the price for this project.With 17% guaranteed profit by Paki Sarkar, PRC will recover money in under 5 years . But only of Paki have money or they borrow from PeeRC to pay back PeeRC and repeat the same again and again.

As Hassan Nisar said recently, Pak will turn into Chinese colony within 10 yrs.
However, that doesn't help us in any manner. :(

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby A_Gupta » 09 Jan 2016 18:50

...Pak will turn into Chinese colony within 10 yrs....

Colonies eventually rebel. :D

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Postby shiv » 09 Jan 2016 18:54

Pathankot attack aimed at probing Modi govt's red lines: Christine Fair

The Pathankot attack is not a spontaneous response to recent developments; it is a manifestation of the Pakistani national security strategy to pursue its revisionist agenda against India, says C CHRISTINE FAIR, author of Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War, and an associate professor in the Peace and Security Studies Program at Georgetown University’s Edmund A Walsh School of Foreign Service. Fair, who earlier served as a political officer to the UN Assistance Mission to Afghanistan in Kabul, tells Bhaswar Kumar in a telephonic interview that there is a consensus within the Indian security establishment that India lacks the offensive capability to defeat Pakistan in a short war.

The January 2 attack on an Indian Air Force base in Pathankot was allegedly carried out by Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) operatives. What are the dynamics between organisations like JeM and Pakistan’s military and civilian establishments?

Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) set up JeM as a competitor to the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), which the ISI had formed earlier. Prior to the formation of JeM, three Pakistani terrorists – Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar, Ahmed Okmar Saeed Sheikh and Maulana Masood Azhar – were released by Indian authorities in return for hostages taken during the hijacking of the Indian Airlines flight 814 in December 1999. Azhar and the two other terrorists, upon their release in Kandahar, were ferried to Pakistan under ISI escort. Within a few weeks, Azhar announced the formation of JeM in Karachi.

LeT and JeM are ideologically distinct organisations. JeM, like the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban, is Deobandi; LeT is Ahle Hadees. Besides, JeM generally conducts suicide attacks, while LeT conducts high-risk missions where the goal is not to die but its operatives would still rather die than be taken captives.

These terrorist groups have an army major assigned to them. It is the majors’ responsibility to ensure the groups’ operatives are trained and they get the required resources. A major can, for example, authorise a small-level attack in Kashmir against an Indian army unit – an offensive that does not have major strategic implications. On the other hand, every attack outside of Kashmir has to have the army chief’s imprimatur, given the likely strategic implications – after all, if the Americans get upset and hold up coalition support funding, it is the army chief who will have to answer.

The Pathankot attack came within a week of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Lahore and the resumption of talks with Pakistan. Have the terrorists and their handlers achieved their goal by creating a hurdle for the peace process?

If the attack is seen as an attempt to derail the nascent peace process between the two countries, it might be a misreading of the way in which Pakistan employs its jihadi assets to secure its strategic interests in the region. The attack on the air base is not a spontaneous response to recent developments. It is simply the latest manifestation of the Pakistani national security strategy to pursue its revisionist agenda against India.

Pakistan has called PM Modi’s bluff. Despite all the rhetoric, there is a consensus within the Indian security establishment – at least among those who draw their conclusions from data instead of speaking from nationalist sentiment – that India lacks the offensive capability to defeat Pakistan in a short war. That is important because there will only be a short war between India and Pakistan, due to the presence of nuclear weapons on both sides, if the former responds to such a provocation. Essentially, Pakistan has called the Indian government’s bluff.

They did it at Gurdaspur, too. The Gurdaspur attack was not in response to the meeting between Modi and Sharif in Ufa. The timing of the Gurdaspur attack is important; it occurred after the reported Indian raid in Myanmar against militants. You will remember the statements issued after the Myanmar raid warning that all other neighbours of India harbouring terrorists would receive the same treatment. You will also remember the Pakistani response to these statements. Gurdaspur was really about calling the Indian government out on its statements and bravado after the Myanmar incident.

Both these attacks – Pathankot and Gurdaspur – were conducted in and around Tier-III cities or small towns. Unlike an attack on a city like Mumbai or Delhi, which will cause a massive uproar and have a galvanising impact on the populace – the Parliament attack, for instance – these were carefully calibrated probes to continue to test India’s red lines. We need to see this in tandem with the attack on the Indian consulate in Mazar-e-Sharif. Pakistan has been testing India’s red lines within Indian territory and in Afghanistan.

When you say that Pakistan has called the government’s bluff, are you referring to Pakistan’s civilian government or its military establishment?

The civilians are irrelevant in this case. This is all coming from the army. There is no “rogue” ISI, either. The ISI reports to the Pakistani army chief.

Don’t you think that the recently revived dialogue process is the only way forward?

India should not be talking to Pakistan at all. Pakistan says it has a legitimate claim on Kashmir, which it does not. The Indian Independence Act of 1947 allowed the princely states to decide their fate. India possesses Kashmir’s instrument of accession. The case of Junagarh and Hyderabad complicates the morality of India’s actions, but that is a different issue.

Pakistan could have made a claim for Junagarh at the UN but it has no claim over Kashmir. Pakistan also did not fulfil the first condition required for a plebiscite under the UN Security Council resolution on Kashmir. Of course, the Shimla agreement obviates that in any event.

As India continues to talk to Pakistan on the issue of Kashmir, it emboldens the Pakistanis and legitimises their narrative domestically. It fosters the belief among Pakistanis that their claim is entertained by India. The Pakistani army gets to tell its people that even the Indians know that they need to talk to us.

If Pakistan wants peace, it could have it by accepting the LoC as the formal border and desisting from sending terrorists across the border. By the way, that would technically be a concession from the Indian side since it has an instrument of accession for the whole of Kashmir. India should be willing to talk only when Pakistan is willing to ratify the LoC as the border.

Every time one of these attacks occurs, the benefit that Pakistan gets is that the international community calls for talks between India and Pakistan for resolving outstanding issues. In other words, the international community imposes a false equivalence between Pakistan and India. If you cannot punish Pakistan for its support to terrorist organisations, at least you can deprive it of any benefit.

The international community will have to change its talking points. If the international community, instead of calling for talks, says Pakistan needs to act like a responsible nuclear power that does not conduct proxy warfare against its neighbours, and that the changing of maps by bloodshed is not acceptable, Pakistan will be deprived of any benefit from such attacks.

According to reports, Nawaz Sharif has called PM Modi and assured him of action against the persons responsible…

This is absolute dramebaazi. Sharif is an irrelevant actor in these matters.

Aside from military funding and support, consider the fact that Hafiz Saeed’s Jamat-ud-Dawa (JuD), the rechristened LeT, gets money from the budget of the Pakistani Punjab’s government, which is run by Sharif’s party. The government said it would run JuD’s educational establishments, so JuD has a line item in every Punjab provincial government budget.

Besides, JeM enjoys political cover from the two factions of the Jamiat ul-e-Islami (JuI).

How can India build an effective deterrence against this form of sub-conventional warfare?

I do not see too many options that India has. It has not made the investments it needs to ensure deterrence against such acts by way of offensive superiority on its international border. India’s current conventional posture on the international border is of defensive competence instead of offensive superiority.

Defence modernisation for such deterrence requires reconfiguring your current military assets, which are bulky and easily detectable, into smaller units that can be forward-deployed much more rapidly without the intelligence footprint that Pakistan can easily detect.

It is about personnel policies. India does not need a huge standing army for such purposes as much as it needs special operators to conduct hot-pursuit missions into Pakistani territory without detection. Currently, India does not have a Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) or “jointness” among the different branches of its armed forces for seamless interoperability. Pakistan does not suffer from these shortcomings; it has “jointness” and it essentially has a CDS in the form of its army chief. Most disturbingly, Pakistan’s position has been significantly bolstered by American military largesse.

Lastly, but most importantly, there needs to be the political will to use these assets as and when required.

This is not a bad time to be an Indian. Successive governments have come to understand that if you remain focused on not having a large confrontation with Pakistan, India’s economy will continue to grow. But, you can have this attitude only if you are willing to suffer several casualties in attacks from Pakistan every year.

We have seen a resurgence of JeM in the recent past...

JeM had been defunct for years after it split in December of 2001. Its leadership was divided over whether they should turn their guns on Pakistan for aiding the Americans in bringing down the Taliban. Azhar said he would not turn against Pakistan even as members of his organisation revolted and went on to join Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

Azhar was kept in protective custody for years and allowed to grow his empire in Bhawalpur. The thinking of ISI was that as long as people were loyal to Azhar they would not turn their guns on Pakistan.

As part of its strategy to combat TTP, the Pakistani army contacted TTP commanders and gave them a choice to go back and fight in Afghanistan; this coincided with the elections in Afghanistan. The other important part of the strategy was that the Pakistani army revivified JeM to draw back the original defectors from JeM and redirect them to India.

In a piece I had written for India Today in September last year, I predicted the next attack would probably be conducted by JeM, instead of LeT. My colleagues at the UN who had been monitoring Al Qaida and the Taliban informed me a year ago that the JeM cadre was amassing at the LoC between India and Pakistan.

The move to revivify JeM is very much part of the Pakistani army’s domestic security strategy.


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Postby A_Gupta » 09 Jan 2016 21:22

^^^ The message is that however India has been investing and organizing itself militarily, it leaves open serious doubts about India's capabilities and will.

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Postby sunnyP » 09 Jan 2016 21:36



Yoga Guru Baba Ramdev called for 'teaching a tough lesson' to Pakistan following the Pathankot terror attack

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Postby Prem » 10 Jan 2016 00:42

A_Gupta wrote:...Pak will turn into Chinese colony within 10 yrs....
Colonies eventually rebel. :D

Pakistan will be Chinese Cancerous Colon not Colony.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Anujan » 10 Jan 2016 00:42

Pakistan can prosecute Terrorists in Pakistan only if India arrests them inside Pakistan, provides proper proof, hires lawyers to prosecute them inside Pakistan. Else how can Pakistan catch and prosecute them hain ji?

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Postby A_Gupta » 10 Jan 2016 03:28

Intelligence and evidence are two different things. For example, intelligence will not have the chain-of-custody that evidence has; may not be admissible in court because of the methods of obtaining it, and so on.

If two nations are sharing intelligence for joint anti-terrorism operations, one expects the intelligence provided by nation A to be used by nation B to investigate and develop evidence or take other actions, no different from if nation B had uncovered the intelligence on its own.

But Pakistan being Pakistan...

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby SSridhar » 10 Jan 2016 04:11

Pathankot attack: India firm on linking foreign secretary-level talks with Pakistan's action on jihadis - ToI
India remains firm that Pakistan needs to take demonstrable actions like shutting down Jaish-e Mohammad camps and detaining important figures in the jihadi group if the proposed foreign secretary talks are to take place later this month.

Pakistan's decision not to reject out of hand leads given by India and indications of the military supporting the civilian government's commitment are seen as welcome signals but not enough to sustain the Lahore mood.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's expectation that Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif should ensure "prompt and decisive" action needs to be met in certain concrete ways to for the peace initiative to get off the ground.

Though the immediate arrest of Jaish-e-Mohammad leader Maulana Masood Azhar may not be on the cards, action against his group, religious proxy organisations and camps is seen as a "deliverable" by the Indian side.

There is a sense that Pakistan is keen to ensure the talks do take place around mid-January as has been suggested and hectic activity like Sharif's carefully publicised meeting with army and ISI is intended to save the engagement. At the same time, subtle hints that evidence provided by India is not "good enough" are not encouraging signs.

Though India would not be happy to see Modi's peace bid of dropping in on a Sharif family wedding to go abegging, the mood seems to have hardened about the need Pakistan to take verifiable action against Jaish.

This might prove an acid test for Sharif especially if reports of army-ISI involvement are true - as would be the case if the Jaish terror squad trained at a Pakistan airbase -- it is not easy to see a convincing investigation unfolding.

Given the Pakistan military's record of closely monitoring terrorist strikes against India, the possibility of an operation involving ISI being investigated and exposed does not seem very likely.

Yet, after the 26/11 attacks, a Lashkar camp was raided and a top operative Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi was held by the Pakistani armed forces.

But the story of Lakhvi's detention did not end well as the anti-terror court trying the 26/11 case made no headway with judges being changed frequently and counsel complaining of being threatened.

In more than one occasion after the 2008 attacks, Pakistan promised action against the 26/11 plotters but in the end the case against Lakhvi collapsed. Despite Sharif's apparent desire to be different, India may await evidence that he can deliver.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby SSridhar » 10 Jan 2016 05:20

After Kerry calls up Sharif, Pak. promises quick action - Suhasini Haider, The Hindu
In view of the growing doubt over the Foreign Secretary-level talks of January 15, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called up Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Saturday to highlight the need to stay the course for dialogue.

Continuation of India-Pakistan talks are needed in the interest of regional stability and the leadership role by both Prime Ministers is required to ensure continuous dialogue,” Mr. Kerry was quoted {This actually puts pressure on India to continue with the talks} as saying in a statement issued for the press from the office of the Pakistan Prime Minister. Earlier at a prime time interview, Pakistan’s Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry had reiterated that Pakistan will not allow terrorists to use its territory to launch attacks on the other countries. Mr. Sharif also maintained the anti-terror commitment and said: “Pakistan is swiftly carrying out investigations in a transparent manner and will bring out the truth. The world will see our effectiveness and sincerity in this regard. Pakistan is eliminating terrorism from its soil and will not allow any one to use Pakistani soil to conduct terror operations abroad.”

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Guddu » 10 Jan 2016 05:51

Pak has to act, I dont see GOI starting talks without action from pak. The issue is what is the minimum that pakis can do, so as to mollify GOI. I think they might catch some low level scum and call it a day. That would allow GOI to save face and Pak to claim they acted based on the evidence available.

I think GOI has missed an opportunity to respond, because of the recent bonhommie of Modi-NS in Pak. However, GOI will be forced to respond after the next attack. If they dont, Modi's credibility will be shot.

The other thing that I dont understand is, we keep saying we are unprepared, and keep assuming that Pak is fully prepared. how is that even possible ?. In any case, as one of our generals said, we have to fight with the tools we have and we hae plenty of them. Waiting to become a sooper dooper power is a fool's play. In 10 years, pakis will also advance, so what ever lead we have remains more or less constant.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Thomas Kolarek » 10 Jan 2016 07:27

US, UK rubbished India’s ‘evidence’ against Pakistan in Mumbai attacks, says Wikileaks - http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/89034-US-UK-rubbished-Indias-evidence-against-Pakistan-in-Mumbai-attacks-says-Wikileaks#sthash.2JcapJOp.dpuf
ISLAMABAD: Following Pathankot attack, the Indian media and government authorities have been referring to Mumbai attack as Pakistan’s work despite the fact that the Wikileaks had shown both the US and the British authorities trashing Indian so-called evidence against Pakistan.

Publicly both Washington and London have been shy to embarrass India and avoided rejecting her allegation against Pakistan but the Wikileaks showed the two trashing Indian claims about the involvement of either Pakistan’s prime intelligence agency- the ISI- or even senior leaders of a proscribed organisation.

Wikileaks, which contained secret State Department wires, had quoted former US ambassador to Pakistan Anne W Patterson as writing to the State Department that India had presented insufficient evidence against the senior leaders of now proscribed Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Anne W Patterson had mentioned in a wire to the Washington that Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) and other investigators had insufficient evidence for prosecution against Lashkar-e-Taiba’s Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, Zarar Shah and Mazhar Iqbal Alqama.

Patterson had even said that FIA was forced, as a result of political pressure, to arrest and charge the three LeT leaders and that FIA was still without solid evidence to begin a formal trial.

Some of the wires generated by US embassy in India had also made the India’s case on Mumbai attacks doubtful. Charge Geoff Pyatt was quoted to have written to Washington: “Indian officials remain convinced that Pakistan is behind the July 11th Mumbai attacks, and worry that the US is setting the bar too high for “solid evidence” of Pakistani intelligence involvement.”

The leak had even quoted National Security Advisor MK Narayanan as admitting that there are some pieces of the puzzle still missing. “He (Narayanan) said he is hesitant to say the evidence is “clinching”, but it is pretty good. Narayanan used the opportunity to reinforce the popular perception here that Pakistan is to blame for the attacks, while answering criticism that the foreign secretary’s and Mumbai police’s statements about the investigation were not backed by solid proof…”

The wire, generated from New Delhi, had also shown the Indian politicians reminding the Americans that India had sided with US on the issue of 9/11 despite the absence of concrete evidence.

The wire said: “At dinner with CIA Deputy Director of Intelligence Carmen Medina on October 23rd, former National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra raised the issue of the US response to the Mumbai blasts.

‘We backed you when you decided to take action in Afghanistan after September 11,’ he said. ‘Your evidence after 9/11 was no less circumstantial than our evidence after 7/11 in Mumbai.’

He went on to criticise the US “double standard”, arguing that we treat Hizbollah one way, and the Pakistan-based United Jihad Council very differently. The bottom line, Mishra said, is that there is a widespread perception that the US is doing nothing to help India fight terror.”

Another leak, a wire sent from US New Delhi embassy to Washington, reflects on British doubts about Indian’s evidence against Pakistan.

The leak said, “While Indian press continues to pin blame on Pakistan, observers and diplomats in Delhi are asking the same question: was the ISI behind the Mumbai attacks? While there are clear links between the attacks, perpetrators and the extremist group LeT, and likewise, there are links between LeT and the ISI, there is no clear evidence yet to suggest that ISI directed or facilitated the attacks, according to the British High Commission.”

Now yet again after Pathankot attack, Indians have started blaming Pakistan claiming that they have evidence of Pakistan's involvement.
- See more at: http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/89034-U ... apJOp.dpuf

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby arun » 10 Jan 2016 07:53

arun wrote:US Legislatures House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Sub-Committee on Terrorism, Non Proliferation and Trade hold a hearing on the topic of “Civil Nuclear Cooperation with Pakistan: Prospects and Consequences”.

Text of Testimony of Husain Haqqani, Daniel S. Markey, Henry D. Sokolski and George Perkovich:

Testimony of Husain Haqqani

Testimony Of Daniel S. Markey : Why a “Nuclear Deal With Pakistan is Not Realistic, Timely, Or Wise

Testimony Of Henry D. Sokolski : Moderating Pakistans Nuclear Posture

Testimony of George Perkovich

See also here for the main page of this particular hearing:

Clicky


The Hearing Transcript is out:

HEARING TRANSCRIPT : CIVIL NUCLEAR COOPERATION WITH PAKISTAN : PROSPECTS AND CONSEQUENCES

Excerpts follow:

Brad Sherman:

"Pakistan is the world’s only schizophrenic nuclear power. Pakistan doesn’t just confuse anyone who studies it, it is, in fact, confused. Just the military elements are simultaneously fighting terrorists on the ground, at great cost, and supporting terrorists at the same time."

Husain Haqqani:

"I would argue that Pakistan’s dysfunction stems from its desire to compete with India. Instead of discussing civil nuclear deals and selling more military equipment to Pakistan, U.S. officials should convince Pakistan that its ambitions of rivaling India are akin to Belgium trying to rival France or Germany. India’s population is 6 times as large as Pakistan’s, while India’s economy is 10 times bigger and growing. India’s $2 trillion economy has managed consistent growth, whereas Pakistan’s $245 billion economy has grown sporadically and is undermined by jihadist terrorism and domestic political chaos."

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby hnair » 10 Jan 2016 08:08

Thomas Kolarek wrote:US, UK rubbished India’s ‘evidence’ against Pakistan in Mumbai attacks, says Wikileaks -

ISLAMABAD: Following Pathankot attack, the Indian media and government authorities have been referring to Mumbai attack as Pakistan’s work despite the fact that the Wikileaks had shown both the US and the British authorities trashing Indian so-called evidence against Pakistan.

Publicly both Washington and London have been shy to embarrass India and avoided rejecting her allegation against Pakistan but the Wikileaks showed the two trashing Indian claims about the involvement of either Pakistan’s prime intelligence agency- the ISI- or even senior leaders of a proscribed organisation.



There is nothing in wikileaks, that talks about "trashing Indian claims" by US or UK chappies. The article also fails to produce those segments of wikileaks, that had the "trashing".

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2

Postby Kashi » 10 Jan 2016 08:31

hnair wrote:There is nothing in wikileaks, that talks about "trashing Indian claims" by US or UK chappies. The article also fails to produce those segments of wikileaks, that had the "trashing".


Must be the fake Wikileaks that the Paki toilet papers are so fond of quoting.


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