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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SaiK » 05 Dec 2015 22:01

enough.. if there is any truth, BRF members will proactively add it here.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby chaanakya » 05 Dec 2015 22:21

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby sastri » 05 Dec 2015 22:37

SriKumar wrote:
chaanakya wrote:Minister Sharma said commercial flight services cannot be resumed at the airport as of now. "The airport's basement is still inundated with water. We should give it two days. Once power supply is restored and water evacuation happens, we can restart commercial flight services," he added.

Exactly. It was bizarre when they declared the airport would open on Dec. 6th when water had even entered the terminal! If this picture is to be believed, water came out of the other side of the terminal into the drop-off/pickup areas.

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Again, not sure if the pictures are for Chennai airport (it does say so) but the escalator area was under almost knee-deep water. http://www.thecourierdaily.com/chennai- ... 2015/7645/

I think water would have found its way into basement if there is a door to basement in vicinity. All the electrical connections/equipment floor level and below will be damaged (escalator may have damage). One would expect basement to have a/c equipment, power distribution boxes etc.

From the above note by Chaanakya, it seems that the airport does not have power (maybe only emergency power), and they have not started pumping out water. Not sure but I think the floodwater is coming from Adayar river (judging by the silt deposited on the runway (it does not look like just rain water), upto runway and terminal, and unless Adayar recedes sufficiently, the airport can not prepare for commercial traffic (maybe just some military or emergency flights). Pure guess but after city power is restored to airport so pumping can begin, it might still be a week to make sure everything is functional and safe.

svenkat: that video of saidapet bridge was scary.


^^^ That's not Domestic terminal at Meenambakam in Chennai. Apparently that is Indra Gandhi Domestic terminal in Delhi, which was flooded in 2013.
http://www.emirates247.com/news-in-images/delhi-airport-flooded-passengers-wade-through-2013-06-18-1.510863

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Gus » 05 Dec 2015 22:42

Actually I see shares of a pic panning ej for distributing bibles.

Even Muslim groups are getting praise for food distribution.

And as usual the ones expressing remorse for making fun of vijaykant earlier because of him wading into water and distributing relief.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby sastri » 05 Dec 2015 22:55

It seems a few cargo flights were allowed to take-off from Chennai airport today morning. Below link provides the official statement on updated operational status of Chennai airport released by Ministry of Information and Broadcasting.

http://inbministry.blogspot.in/2015/12/chennai-airport-operational-status.html

Also
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/rain-hit-chennai-airport-resumes-technical-flights/articleshow/50053847.cms

Ourairports.com provides live flight information on ARRIVALS and DEPARTURE from Chennai. Also makeshift airports nearby Meenambakkam.

http://ourairports.com/airports/VOMM/flights.html

http://ourairports.com/airports/VOMM/closest.html

http://ourairports.com/airports/VOMM/routes/

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Gus » 05 Dec 2015 23:05

http://tinyurl.com/zxbeqjd

parsed from my FB feed...link to army heli rescuing preg woman, who delivered twins later..

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Gus » 05 Dec 2015 23:07

some stuff that reflect public mood...

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SRoy » 05 Dec 2015 23:09

Cross posting from Nukkad ...

FOR BRFITES IN CHENNAI AND BANGALORE:

Please call on +91 9538477108 for urgent transportation. The contact's name is Santhosh. They have 5-6 cars with drivers for to and fro trip.

Put together by a chaddi buddy. Nau Sainik Bear driver ... you know here :)

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Gus » 05 Dec 2015 23:10

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apparently parthasarathy temple, in muslim heavy area triplicane

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Gus » 05 Dec 2015 23:21

another popular one

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problem is, even though people realise both parties are crooks, during election time they don't find a viable attractive third alternative..

bjp has missed the boat by not being visible in the streets doing protests, service etc...

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Gus » 05 Dec 2015 23:24

best one so far

we will take care of ourselves, move and put sticker..

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Gus » 05 Dec 2015 23:30

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby chaanakya » 05 Dec 2015 23:35

sastri wrote:
^^^ That's not Domestic terminal at Meenambakam in Chennai. Apparently that is Indra Gandhi Domestic terminal in Delhi, which was flooded in 2013.
http://www.emirates247.com/news-in-images/delhi-airport-flooded-passengers-wade-through-2013-06-18-1.510863


I stand corrected. both are so familiar , somehow I missed it.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby member_27987 » 06 Dec 2015 00:16

Chaps: Is the "Sewa Bharathi" same as "Seva Bharathi". http://www.sewabharathi.com/p/support-us.html and http://rashtriyasewa.org/ the same? I want to know which organisation to donate to. Don't want to fund some Paki organisation. IDRF is listed as an affiliate organisation in the first link.

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Re: Chennai floods

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SaiK » 06 Dec 2015 07:32

We collected totally today about 17K.
With a huge potential for another 50K possible from local business community.

Hopefully we will find a right channel to reach the needy.
any suggestions I will pass it to our community decision group.

we also think that other than Chennai places like cuddalore need help too

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2015 07:40

Low-pressure area exits Bay, but rains to stay over TN - Vinson Kurien, BusinessLine
Thiruvananthapuram, Dec 5:

The several weeks-in-the-making low-pressure area has exited the Bay of Bengal to the South-West and lies over this (Saturday) afternoon over Sri Lanka and adjoining Comorin region, just off South Tamil Nadu.

This would bring heavy to very rainfall to the West Coast of India starting from Kerala from the South to Coastal Karnataka and further northward into Goa-Konkan in the days to come.

No all-clear

However, this does not mean that Tamil Nadu gets the all-clear; this is because the easterly winds that flow into the 'low' emerge from the Bay and have to cross coastal and south interior Tamil Nadu.

The moisture-laden winds would cause occasional rains over coastal Tamil Nadu, including Chennai and neighbourhood, over the next few days as well.

Extended alert


India Met Department has now extended the heavy rainfall warning along coastal Tamil Nadu, Puducherry and Kerala for three more days until Tuesday (December 8 ).

But the US Centre for Climate Prediction sees possibility of heavy rainfall valid for the region, including Chennai and neighbouhood, for another week.

This is because the 'low' will leave behind its parent trough more or less intact, which would continue to feed its offspring that lies in the Comorin region and adjoining Lakshadweep Sea.


Cloud movement

Meanwhile, intermittent drizzle to forceful rain has returned to haunt the flood-wary Chennai, which has recorded 4.8 cm of rain during the 24 hours ending at 4 pm this afternoon.

Overcast conditions and a steady drizzle are being reported from parts of the metropolis from this morning as menacing clouds have started approaching mainly the Central and South-East coast of Tamil Nadu.

Clouds have since engulfed the skies over the Chidambaram-Kumbakonam-Karaikal-Nagapattinam-Pattukottai-Vedaranniyam and the Ramanathapuram-Thoothukkudi-Tiruchendur-Kanya Kumari belts.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SaiK » 06 Dec 2015 07:49

http://www.accuweather.com/en/in/national/satellite

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/tam ... tsUQN.html
In flood-hit Tamil Nadu, CM won’t speak and officials can’t be quoted

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/cap ... nt-record/

This remarkably strong El Niño has topped yet another significant record
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/lo ... video.html
How El Niño will affect weather conditions this year
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Human chain saves drowning man from Chennai floods – video
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/ ... CMP=twt_gu

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ADG PI - INDIAN ARMY
https://twitter.com/adgpi
INDIAN ARMY - PROUD OF THE NATION

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Hoping to be not sucked into a manhole! racing against time: great photo
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Really Isolated here:
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people to people help action:
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The loss to the state and the people from the rain and flash floods this northeast monsoon season may have crossed a staggering Rs 50,000 crore already. And if the situation persists for the next few days, the total financial loss could escalate to a whopping Rs 1 lakh crore

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/151206/n ... sand-crore

Lokesh et al, NOW TELL ME IF MASSAN STYLE INFRASTRUCTURE IS BETTER OR INDIC STYLE?

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 057703.cms
Over 28,000 rescued

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http://www.abplive.in/india-news/chenna ... els-255524
Authorities shocked as water travelled to different part of cities through metro tunnels

If metros are underground and stranded.. a sure death for all passenger.
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Re: Chennai floods

Postby chaanakya » 06 Dec 2015 11:01

Its Sunny today after intermittent rains overnight,Water level has receded in most areas. My cousin left for his native place early this morning after being evacuated. Central has started operating trains. He boarded coromandal. Huge rush. no seats. yet managed to enter the cmpt.
Chennai is limping back to normal as are other areas.
Now Kerala will face rains from residual moisture in the system.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2015 11:38

chaanakya wrote:Its Sunny today after intermittent rains overnight,

Not in many parts of south Chennai. It has been raining since morning almost non-stop, at times a bit heavily. It is still raining as I post this.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SaiK » 06 Dec 2015 11:51

It is unbelievable that many of you here, never believe the accuweather link I am constantly posting

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby member_27987 » 06 Dec 2015 11:55

@SaiK. Kadaloore needs a lot of help especially with EJ vultures rubbing their hands in glee. Hence my question is are there genuine Indic orgs working there

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby chaanakya » 06 Dec 2015 12:04

SSridhar wrote:
chaanakya wrote:Its Sunny today after intermittent rains overnight,

Not in many parts of south Chennai. It has been raining since morning almost non-stop, at times a bit heavily. It is still raining as I post this.

Could be in your parts. I am seeing sun shine. No rains for now.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SaiK » 06 Dec 2015 12:06

dunno.. please tell me from first-hand info from there if you know any.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby chaanakya » 06 Dec 2015 13:08

Accuweather link does not work for the folk living in the area.

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Re: Chennai floods

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby chetak » 06 Dec 2015 15:18

maybe a version of this, with non corrosive aluminium bodies, can be made by Ordinance factories, specially for disaster management duties


‘Seep’ used during WW II saves scores in Chennai


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‘Seep’ used during WW II saves scores in Chennai
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Vinayak Shankar with his 1943 Ford GPA Amphibious Seep with which he helped rescue services across Chennai. -Photo: Sruthisagar Yamunan
Vinayak Shankar with his 1943 Ford GPA Amphibious Seep with which he helped rescue services across Chennai. -Photo: Sruthisagar Yamunan
By March 1943, Ford had built 12,778 Seeps which marked its presence by dropping Allied troops on to Normandy in ‘Operation Neptune’ on June 6, 1944.

Seventy-two years after it was first produced, the 1943 Ford GPA Amphibious Seep, which helped put thousands of Allied troops on the Normandy beach during World War II, came to the rescue of Chennai residents when a business man used the vehicle for extensive relief work.

When Vinayak Shankar of Krishna Mines realised the proportions of the flooding in Chennai, he quickly called up his men in Tirunelveli to transport the Ford GPA on a truck to the city. When the ‘amphibious seep’ finally arrived on Tuesday, Mr. Shankar rushed to Kottupuram and met officials, offering to help in the rescue and relief efforts.

By March 1943, Ford had built 12,778 Seeps which marked its presence by dropping Allied troops on to Normandy in ‘Operation Neptune’ on June 6, 1944.

The landing is considered the most decisive military operations that quickened the destruction of the Nazi regime.

While the officers in Chennai first hesitated, they quickly realised how efficient the ‘amphibious’ jeep was in manoeuvring in deep waters. In Kotturpuram, Mr. Shankar braved strong currents of the Adayar river in spate to distribute food packets to stranded residents. “At one point, the current was so strong that I swirled with the vehicle. I had to hook the vehicle to a building and then distribute the food packets,” he said.

Mr. Shankar has a special mechanic, Udhayasuriyan, who has been with his family for thirty years and takes care of the Seep, which runs on petrol.

“After World War II, the British brought a few of these vehicles to be put to use in the Brahmaputra. When they were leaving India, some were sold off to locals. My grandfather picked one,” he said.

Mr. Shankar was so much in demand on Saturday that much of the food distribution to flood-affected colonies happened on his Seep. “When I looked at how the people were stranded, my conscience did not let me stay idle. Miners are usually seen as troublemakers. I also wanted to prove that notion wrong. We are also very much human,” he said.


Ford GPA, deployed to drop Allied troops on Normandy Beach, delivers food packets

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby prahaar » 06 Dec 2015 15:21

That video is top class in so many ways. On FB some comment said the lady delivered twins after being rescued.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Singha » 06 Dec 2015 15:29

World vision took a half page ad on page2 of toi today seeking donations...preferably in cash

Vultures are airborne are circling already

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SSridhar » 06 Dec 2015 15:51

Met has just announced that a new low pressure area has formed and the next two days will see heavy to very heavy rains lashing coastal TN.

In the 24 hrs ending this mng, Kancheepuram, Cuddalore, Chengalpat have recorded 16 to 17 Cms of rain. During the same time Chennai had 2 Cms. I am sure many parts of Chennai had more rains during the day today.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Singha » 06 Dec 2015 16:17

chennai trekking club had organized some rescues from deep water housing using truck tubes and in collab with blue cross saved some stranded animals also.
they put together a kit to be distributed to families.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 8172_o.jpg

As water levels have receded (initial rescue efforts over) and overwhelming immediate relief (ready-to-eat food and water) is flowing into the city, Chennai Trekking Club is directing its relief efforts to the next stage towards recovery of flood affected families. We are putting family relief kits consisting of:

* clothes: sarees, lungis
* non-perishable food items: rice, pulses, sugar, salt
* basic cutlery: plates, tumblers, vessel, tea filter
* night: bed sheets, sleeping mat, torch, candles
* hygiene: towel, napkins, soap/shampoo, mosquito repellent/coil

We welcome people to contribute above materials or donate to our CTC relief fund: tinyurl.com/ctcflooddonate. Final distribution center of materials is Jaigopal Garodia National Higher Seconday School near East Tambaram. Contacts: Masu 9940630985 Prasanna 9994816896 Vinoth 9791013343

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby chaanakya » 06 Dec 2015 16:18

New system is formed as seen here. Three days, abt , before it strikes the coast.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby member_28108 » 06 Dec 2015 16:23

One has to watch the tide level. If the high tide "recedes" even if there is rain it will drain into the sea. It appears Mondays height will be more. Hope the rains come after Monday to be allow the sea to "absorb' the land effluent.
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http://tides.mobilegeographics.com/graphs/3611.png

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby chaanakya » 06 Dec 2015 16:24

Comer wrote:https://www.facebook.com/Chennaites/videos/898423160249746/

Brilliant stuff

Simply amazing.

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Re: Chennai floods

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[list=]Day High
Low High
Low High Moon Sunrise Sunset
Tue 1 6:08 AM IST / 0.42 m 11:56 AM IST / 0.93 m 5:44 PM IST / 0.45 m 6:15 AM IST 5:40 PM IST
Wed 2 12:18 AM IST / 1.12 m 7:01 AM IST / 0.46 m 12:51 PM IST / 0.88 m 6:35 PM IST / 0.53 m 6:15 AM IST 5:40 PM IST
Thu 3 1:08 AM IST / 1.05 m 8:02 AM IST / 0.49 m 2:04 PM IST / 0.85 m 7:42 PM IST / 0.59 m Last Quarter 6:16 AM IST 5:40 PM IST
Fri 4 2:09 AM IST / 0.99 m 9:09 AM IST / 0.50 m 3:32 PM IST / 0.86 m 9:09 PM IST / 0.63 m 6:16 AM IST 5:40 PM IST
Sat 5 3:20 AM IST / 0.95 m 10:12 AM IST / 0.48 m 4:49 PM IST / 0.91 m 10:34 PM IST / 0.62 m 6:17 AM IST 5:40 PM IST
Sun 6 4:29 AM IST / 0.94 m 11:05 AM IST / 0.44 m 5:44 PM IST / 0.98 m 11:39 PM IST / 0.58 m 6:18 AM IST 5:41 PM IST
Mon 7 5:26 AM IST / 0.95 m 11:48 AM IST / 0.40 m 6:26 PM IST / 1.05 m 6:18 AM IST 5:41 PM IST
Tue 8 12:29 AM IST / 0.53 m 6:12 AM IST / 0.98 m 12:26 PM IST / 0.35 m 7:02 PM IST / 1.12 m 6:19 AM IST 5:41 PM IST
Wed 9 1:10 AM IST / 0.48 m 6:52 AM IST / 1.00 m 1:01 PM IST / 0.30 m 7:35 PM IST / 1.18 m 6:19 AM IST 5:42 PM IST
Thu 10 1:46 AM IST / 0.43 m 7:29 AM IST / 1.03 m 1:36 PM IST / 0.26 m 8:08 PM IST / 1.23 m 6:20 AM IST 5:42 PM IST
Fri 11 2:22 AM IST / 0.39 m 8:05 AM IST / 1.05 m 2:09 PM IST / 0.23 m 8:41 PM IST / 1.27 m New Moon 6:20 AM IST 5:42 PM IST
Sat 12 2:57 AM IST / 0.36 m 8:41 AM IST / 1.07 m 2:44 PM IST / 0.22 m 9:15 PM IST / 1.30 m 6:21 AM IST 5:43 PM IST
Sun 13 3:33 AM IST / 0.33 m 9:19 AM IST / 1.07 m 3:20 PM IST / 0.22 m 9:51 PM IST / 1.30 m 6:21 AM IST 5:43 PM IST
Mon 14 4:11 AM IST / 0.32 m 9:59 AM IST / 1.06 m 3:58 PM IST / 0.24 m 10:28 PM IST / 1.29 m 6:22 AM IST 5:44 PM IST
Tue 15 4:52 AM IST / 0.32 m 10:43 AM IST / 1.04 m 4:40 PM IST / 0.29 m 11:10 PM IST / 1.26 m 6:22 AM IST 5:44 PM IST
Wed 16 5:38 AM IST / 0.32 m 11:32 AM IST / 1.01 m 5:27 PM IST / 0.35 m 11:55 PM IST / 1.21 m 6:23 AM IST 5:44 PM IST
Thu 17 6:30 AM IST / 0.34 m 12:30 PM IST / 0.98 m 6:23 PM IST / 0.42 m 6:24 AM IST 5:45 PM IST
Fri 18 12:48 AM IST / 1.14 m 7:30 AM IST / 0.35 m 1:40 PM IST / 0.96 m 7:33 PM IST / 0.48 m First Quarter 6:24 AM IST 5:45 PM IST
Sat 19 1:50 AM IST / 1.08 m 8:39 AM IST / 0.36 m 3:02 PM IST / 0.97 m 8:59 PM IST / 0.52 m 6:25 AM IST 5:46 PM IST
Sun 20 3:04 AM IST / 1.03 m 9:50 AM IST / 0.34 m 4:24 PM IST / 1.01 m 10:26 PM IST / 0.51 m 6:25 AM IST 5:46 PM IST
Mon 21 4:21 AM IST / 1.02 m 10:56 AM IST / 0.30 m 5:34 PM IST / 1.09 m 11:42 PM IST / 0.47 m 6:26 AM IST 5:47 PM IST
Tue 22 5:30 AM IST / 1.02 m 11:54 AM IST / 0.26 m 6:31 PM IST / 1.17 m 6:26 AM IST 5:47 PM IST
Wed 23 12:44 AM IST / 0.41 m 6:30 AM IST / 1.04 m 12:45 PM IST / 0.22 m 7:19 PM IST / 1.24 m 6:27 AM IST 5:48 PM IST
Thu 24 1:36 AM IST / 0.36 m 7:21 AM IST / 1.06 m 1:31 PM IST / 0.19 m 8:03 PM IST / 1.29 m 6:27 AM IST 5:48 PM IST
Fri 25 2:22 AM IST / 0.31 m 8:07 AM IST / 1.07 m 2:12 PM IST / 0.18 m 8:43 PM IST / 1.31 m Full Moon 6:28 AM IST 5:49 PM IST
Sat 26 3:04 AM IST / 0.29 m 8:50 AM IST / 1.07 m 2:52 PM IST / 0.19 m 9:21 PM IST / 1.31 m 6:28 AM IST 5:49 PM IST
Sun 27 3:44 AM IST / 0.28 m 9:30 AM IST / 1.06 m 3:29 PM IST / 0.21 m 9:58 PM IST / 1.29 m 6:29 AM IST 5:50 PM IST
Mon 28 4:22 AM IST / 0.29 m 10:09 AM IST / 1.03 m 4:05 PM IST / 0.26 m 10:33 PM IST / 1.26 m 6:29 AM IST 5:50 PM IST
Tue 29 4:59 AM IST / 0.31 m 10:48 AM IST / 0.99 m 4:41 PM IST / 0.31 m 11:08 PM IST / 1.20 m 6:29 AM IST 5:51 PM IST
Wed 30 5:37 AM IST / 0.34 m 11:28 AM IST / 0.95 m 5:17 PM IST / 0.37 m 11:44 PM IST / 1.14 m 6:30 AM IST 5:52 PM IST
Thu 31 6:17 AM IST / 0.37 m 12:12 PM IST / 0.91 m 5:58 PM IST / 0.44 m 6:30 AM IST 5:52 PM IST
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Re: Chennai floods

Postby member_28108 » 06 Dec 2015 16:29

The above chart seems to show that the height of high tide will continue to increase till Sunday Dec 13th and then will start dropping so any ecess rains will only make matters worse till Dec 13th. Hope there isn't excessive rains during that time.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Singha » 06 Dec 2015 17:43

IMO looking at southern oceans Chennai is looking at months of heavy rain.

some tipping point was reached deep in the oceans to the south

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SriKumar » 06 Dec 2015 18:17

Comer wrote:https://www.facebook.com/Chennaites/videos/898423160249746/

Brilliant stuff
This video of the heliopter resucue is unbelievable. What skill in holding the hover so a pregnant woman can get on board! I wonder if the site was visually recce-ed prior to the operation.
(There's another chopper in the background...probably did the recon.). Wonder where it landed...probably an army hospital?

deejay mian, hats off to your birathers.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby Comer » 06 Dec 2015 18:31

I am assuming that the two men in red assisting the rescue must be from NDRF. Way too calm and collected.

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Re: Chennai floods

Postby SriKumar » 06 Dec 2015 18:35

^^^ I think so. The facebook link does say Airforce and NDRF.
A lot of planning has to go into an operation like this, so I think some trained personnel (NDRF) would have managed the operations at this end. Also, the rotor downwash can be pretty powerful and sweep people off (pregnant women), they had to use the lightest chopper they had. Any number of things could have gone wrong. And there was a crowd around, any thing off kilter and a lot of people would have been at risk. The helicopter chaps made it look easy.

The two NDRF guys were standing, the pregnant woman was sitting with one NDRF guy holding her hand. As teh chopper came close by, she stood up and the chair on which she was sitting was tossed down to clear the area. She gets in, the chopper moves away but comes back for a bag of stuff, and then goes on. I think the other chopper kept stayed around to observe until the operation was over.


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