The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

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Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Postby Y. Kanan » 15 Apr 2016 01:57

mahadevbhu wrote:its silly and anachronistic and TRAGIC love for small arms


I actually don't have a problem with the guns. It's one of those few remaining streaks of rugged independence still left in the American psyche.

Too bad there are few Americans willing to apply that same brand of suspicious, independent thinking to their own govt's foreign policy, instead of blindly defending it (like our resident parrot TSJones).

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Apr 2016 02:25

I think the ISIS/Syria/Iraq wars are not like conventional wars at all, they are more like the US Wild West. Towns and villages are isolated in arid desert-like terrain. The number of attackers and defenders is not huge, they are just murderous bands of savages with weapons. The big force multiplier was the VBIED, sort of like a flaming wagon that the Wild West used, behind which the gunmen would storm in.

In each "major attack", the casualties are like "Today ISIS suffered HEAVY losses, TEN killed". Not like Charge of the Light Brigade, 597 dead in 15 minutes. Or like Saudis vs. Yemen, same deal. This is why air attack is not that effective: a jet plane has trouble trying to hit terrorists one by one, all over a vast desert with caves, boulders etc for cover. Yes, there are tanks, but there are also even greater numbers of ATGMs/TOWs. Helicopters have trouble because again, distances are large, and they are few.

I think the coming war for Africa will be won or lost based on the ability to deal with such warfare. Not quite sure why this model didn't work in, say, WW2. What would have happened if the Nazis had sneaked into Leningrad in teams of 2 or 3, all over the place? Or Zhukov and Koniev had likewise sneaked in all over the front? Or McArthur had used such tactics to storm Okinawa and Guadalcanal?

But then the Injuns failed to take back the West, though they had excellent guerrilla tactics...

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2016 04:54

Good model that. It can work when both sides are lean on manpower.

Will not work.if other side has huge resources so not applied anyone on ww2 except perhaps few cases like chondits in myanmar or afrika corps tying up much larger formations

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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Apr 2016 05:10

I think if either side brings in a lot of radio-operated machine-gun/TOW carrying 4WD jeeps, the show is over for the one that doesn't.

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Postby Shreeman » 15 Apr 2016 08:51

Y. Kanan wrote:
mahadevbhu wrote:its silly and anachronistic and TRAGIC love for small arms


I actually don't have a problem with the guns. It's one of those few remaining streaks of rugged independence still left in the American psyche.

Too bad there are few Americans willing to apply that same brand of suspicious, independent thinking to their own govt's foreign policy, instead of blindly defending it (like our resident parrot TSJones).


Whereas, thereby and here in I certify that TSJ is in fact not a parrot and any insinuation to that effect are misleading, intended to cahse confusion among the winged birds and bipedal species alike. Thus noted on April the something, of year two thoundand and somwthing. *seal*

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Postby Bhurishrava » 15 Apr 2016 09:37

Eventually turkey will see more than pkk.


IMHO, it will be a very very long time before Turkey finds anything against ISIS or its types. Islamism in Turkey is now deeply rooted. Nothing else explains the rise of Erdogan.
AKP and ISIS are ideological allies.

habal wrote:total number of al-nusra is 10-15000 so 11000 + airpower is a respectable number.

This is really disappointing. I was hoping for at least two more zeroes on both sides, although three would have been so much better. And that is why, I would love to see US getting involved more deeply and directly. US is like a magnet that draws yahoos to it.
Unfortunately, this Obama guy, is no George W Bush. What a pity. :cry: :cry:

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Postby Y. Kanan » 15 Apr 2016 10:14

Bhurishrava wrote:
Eventually turkey will see more than pkk.
US is like a magnet that draws yahoos to it.
Unfortunately, this Obama guy, is no George W Bush. What a pity. :cry: :cry:


Sadly... no. The US always manages to draw most of the yahoos towards other people; countries it wants to weaken or harass, like Russia, India, etc. That's their specialty - redirecting Islamic terrorists and using them as arms of the state. Well except for 9/11, but friendly fire is bound to happen from time to time.

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2016 11:28

shadowy rumours in elijah magniers twitter that moqtada al sadr is playing a chanceller palpatine type game, removing opposing iraqi politicians and is pro-KSA under surface and hates Iran. his own militias are not presently deployed in syria , the more pro-irani purbiya hezbollah militias are those who have sent fighters in batches to aleppo.

a iran vs ksa power struggle in iraq via their proxies and palpatine type siths.

some of the iraqi militias presently near mosul seem to have better equipment than the regular army incl abrams tanks.

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Postby deejay » 15 Apr 2016 12:21

After 02 full dedicated threads, more than 200 pages of news an discussion, those who haven't understood (and blame everyone but themselves), please check the image below to understand the Syrian crisis. :mrgreen:

jalal hajir ‏@Jalalkartoonji now8 hours ago
the Syrian revolution !!!

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Postby IndraD » 15 Apr 2016 13:33

Amazing pic ! ^

Intense fight on for Aleppo. Syrian forces backed by pro govt rebels have launched major offensive while Su & Ru AF pound IS.
Serious humanitarian crisis along Turk border where border police is shooting at people trying to cross over into Turkey, hence people forced to dig ditches to hide.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36050232

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Postby Vikas » 15 Apr 2016 14:30

^ what exactly are pro govt rebels ?

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Postby deejay » 15 Apr 2016 14:32

Northern Aleppo - ISIS vs. FSA. FSA green pocket has been split into 02 by ISIS. Big trouble for moderate terrorists (FSA) against extremist terrorist ISIS. Both fight with arms supplied by US. Hard to say who has better arms. Only one week ago FSA forces were on a roll in this area and now they are rolling back.

Aleppo City area - Castello road area, Handarat Camp and Mallah farms are the new places of interest. Mallah farms appears to be the one that SAA is trying to capture while Liwa al Quds provides diversion at Handarat camp. Castello road is under YPG fire while SAA tried to travel south to this point to complete a siege of rebels within Aleppo city (or so it appears).

Eastern Damascus: ISIS vs, Nusra > Some gains for Nusra yesterday after many ISIS gains in the past week.
SAA vs ISIS> SAA have repelled ISIS or at least hit back ISIS yesterday.

Al Dumayr near Qulamoun has seen some gains for SAA yesterday after regular small advances by ISIS over past one week.

Yarmouk camp: Finally some resistance to ISIS though now ISIS controls almost the entire pocket. Palestinians won't enjoy this.

Eastern Ghouta: SAA is steadily encroaching on rebel areas and specifically targeting supply routes or important link roads thus interrupting rebel movement in an already surrounded area.

P.S.: As of now it is difficult to figure out exactly who is upto what on other fronts.

On the bright side Iraqis now control the entire town of Hit. They may move on to the town east of Euphrates near Hit next.

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Postby IndraD » 15 Apr 2016 14:55

VikasR wrote:^ what exactly are pro govt rebels ?

my bad for not making it clear: Hezbollah

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Postby vinod » 15 Apr 2016 16:08

What we are witnessing is Syrian region depopulation... less pressure on world resources. Supply weapons to both sides until none remain!

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2016 16:19

if there is annihilation rest assured the sunni kabila is more poised to lord over the ruins and grab resources.

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2016 16:20

3 of the top15 populated countries in the world are sunni - tsp, indonesia, nigeria - and turkey has a large pop as well.

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2016 16:49

rebels must believe god is only on their side to be sitting for months miles inside a govt encirclement with one escape route. civilian human shields put to work for sure, with threat of a bloodbath if govt advanced
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Postby UlanBatori » 15 Apr 2016 17:38

VikasR wrote:^ what exactly are pro govt rebels ?

Ah!

1. those shooting at the Anti-Government Loyalists?
2. Also, those "rebels" whose hearts and minds are with the govt, to keep company with their ****s.

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2016 20:50

Being friday the usual swarm attack on deir azor
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/is ... eir-ezzor/

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2016 21:12

About a year after tsjji called out for prowlers they are here


Washington (CNN)The United States has deployed tactical aircraft capable of attacking ISIS's ability to communicate closer to the front lines of the battle against the terrorist group.

The U.S. European Command announced a squadron of Marine Corps EA-6B Prowler aircraft has been sent to Incirlik Air Base in Turkey to support operations against ISIS.
In addition to being able to intercept communications by ISIS, the Prowler can protect allied forces on the ground and strike aircraft by jamming any radar and communication devices ISIS has.
READ: ISIS now on the defensive, says Obama
While the Pentagon won't spell out their mission specifically, the Prowlers could be used to jam cell phone signals and other devices used to trigger roadside bombs, or to interrupt radio broadcasts used to distribute ISIS propaganda.

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2016 21:14

Though lord knows they could disrupt syrian govt too

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Postby deejay » 15 Apr 2016 21:52

Singha wrote:Though lord knows they could disrupt syrian govt too


This doubt is because
Aya ‏@AyaIShbn 11 Jan 2015
Double standard, #Syria #France
Terrorists are only terrorists outside Syria, in Syria they are freedom fighters

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Postby nachiket » 15 Apr 2016 22:18

This was the same game played in Af-Pak and American soldiers (not to mention much greater numbers of ANA) paid in blood because of it. Doesn't matter to the State Dept. I guess.

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Apr 2016 03:25

the Prowler can protect allied forces on the ground and strike aircraft by jamming any radar and communication devices ISIS has.


Not a good development. I think the E6 is intended to jam radar and confuse fighter planes. IOW, Russians. So yes, they will be "protecting allied forces on the ground" - viz, ISIS. And enable Erdogan to attack Russian and Syrian planes. Maybe the cruise missile crash had something to do with these too.

While the Pentagon won't spell out their mission specifically, the Prowlers could be used to jam cell phone signals between General Vodkov and his troops, track down Russian Special Forces who are guiding missiles to targets, jam Russian attempts to detect and other devices used to trigger roadside bombs, or to interrupt (Russian and Syrian) radio broadcasts and assist Turkish radio stations used to distribute ISIS propaganda.

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Postby Singha » 16 Apr 2016 08:10

oh no not again...isis is back near the khanassar road...I had ranted they should have followed through the salt barrens and chased them to the river...now they are back

The Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham’s (ISIS) official media wing “Al-Amaq” reported that their forces captured 7 more villages in southeast Aleppo after advancing from the nearby Maskanah Plains on Thursday. Al-Amaq did not name the villages they captured from the Syrian Arab Army (SAA); however, they are once again near the Khanasser Highway that leads from the Hama Governorate to Aleppo City. Earlier today, ISIS reported that they seized the village of Burj Al-‘Atshanah in the Khanasser Plains after a violent battle with the Syrian Armed Forces. With ISIS quickly approaching the Khanasser Highway, the Syrian Armed Forces will have to mobilize more soldiers to help drive back the terrorist group.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/is ... ne-aleppo/ | Al-Masdar News

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Postby Singha » 16 Apr 2016 08:12

victorious hordes of the khalifa

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Postby Singha » 16 Apr 2016 08:53

a good article about the american mindset of all out war , but with no planning for the aftermath...big decisions flow from the mindset of the politico-military elite

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... ya/478461/

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Postby Shanu » 16 Apr 2016 11:08

Not sure if this belongs here, but Erdogan's non-acceptance of criticism has now extended to Germany and a German is being prosecuted by his own Government because he insulted the Turkish Sultan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world ... rmann.html

Read and enjoy the actions of the champions of free speech. And please keep this in mind when they come next time with their gratuitous advice.

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Postby Shanu » 16 Apr 2016 11:26

Bhurishrava wrote:IMHO, it will be a very very long time before Turkey finds anything against ISIS or its types. Islamism in Turkey is now deeply rooted. Nothing else explains the rise of Erdogan.
AKP and ISIS are ideological allies.


The above comment nicely captures the current scenario in Turkey. the following report is a nice compilation of how Turks are embracing IS ideology. Some highlights from the Governing party actions -
i. Men and women holding hands during dance is adultery
ii. number of employees in Diyanet (Religious Affairs Directorate) has doubled in 10 years
iii. Diyanet's writ is extending to other ministries - like Family and Social Services
iv. 25 imams are hired in Government service while terminating the positions for 37 psychologists and 37 child education experts
v. Skyrocketing cases of paedophilia and the Govt. is hiring imams to deal with it. :evil:
vi. Diyanet is providing spiritual support services as part of the Turkish Family support policy
vii. Diyanet only providing services to the Sunni majority
viii. autistic students enrolled for religious classes
ix. Govt. following a One religion, One Nation policy, Alevis, Shias and Atheists de-recognized.
x. Scientific education discouraged, more imams than teachers

Please do read in full - http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... again.html

P.S. Such insightful reports on Turkey are now really hard to come by - as most domestic media has strangulated.

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Postby Austin » 16 Apr 2016 11:53

Nice EU needs some one like Turkey like it's partner and Merkel needs Erdogan

I like the idea of imams hope they can hire few in my companies replacing those useless management

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Postby eklavya » 16 Apr 2016 12:31

This is an interesting admission by the former Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of Qatar:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/98477922-0227 ... 3f755.html

The Gulf’s Syria policy is closely associated with HBJ, who was often seen as relishing the rivalry between Qatar and Saudi Arabia, Doha’s larger and more powerful neighbour. I ask him whether he accepts some responsibility for the debacle in Syria.

“I will tell you one thing and that is maybe the first time I say this: when we started being involved in Syria [around 2012] we had a green light that Qatar would lead this because Saudi Arabia didn’t at that time want to lead. After that there was a change in policy and Saudi Arabia didn’t inform us that they wanted us in the back seat. We ended up competing and it was not healthy.”

I’m not convinced, pointing out that the same policies were followed in Libya, where Qatar and the United Arab Emirates have backed opposing sides in the civil war since the demise of the Gaddafi regime in the 2011 revolution. He acknowledges that in Libya, “There were a lot of cookers in the end. That’s why it was spoiled.”

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Postby vishvak » 16 Apr 2016 12:48

Shanu wrote:Not sure if this belongs here, but Erdogan's non-acceptance of criticism has now extended to Germany and a German is being prosecuted by his own Government because he insulted the Turkish Sultan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world ... rmann.html

Read and enjoy the actions of the champions of free speech. And please keep this in mind when they come next time with their gratuitous advice.

It is an internal matter of Abrahemics only, won't come in the way of lecturing heatheins and pegeins. Doesn't create an impression at all - the internal crap. After all, the Satan was in Bal Shaman temple only. Erdogan's Turkey was actually helping to kill the beast across the border in Syria. No I in T E A M, and all that.

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Postby ramana » 16 Apr 2016 20:27

Won't they roast in desert climate in those black outfits?

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Postby UlanBatori » 16 Apr 2016 21:30

That's what I have been wondering too - who designed their outfits. Looks like something from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Maybe they prefer to stay indoors in the daytime. It just does not look like something that came from Arab/Islamic traditions of any sort. Most distinctly western...

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Postby Singha » 17 Apr 2016 11:42

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looks like a suicide backback. was on a slain ISIS fighter a young lad in qalamoun

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Postby Rahul M » 17 Apr 2016 12:10

new thread plz people.


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