Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact

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sanjaykumar wrote:I don’t think they want to break up India.
They are trying to insure they get to keep political power and are not challenged by rival economic power from industry, Hindus or other castes.
This is true I think. I think from what I saw in the UK during the so called Farmers protest was that they didn't want outside industries coming into Punjab because it would bring new ideas and new people, not controlled by Jats.
They fear losing control. however it is inevitable really, because the state is turning to desert. The population is declining.
Their antics will not be tolerated in the new countries they locate to.
In Canada, USA, Australia, Germany, they are just deported.

The best counter to this Jat nationalism is to offer opportunities to the other caste groups. Training and education to the SC groups that the Jats heavily repress, Maybe the Central govt could offer grants to the Industrial Training Institutes for these groups, to get them off dependency on the land as farm labourers.

One thing I did notice when I visited several years ago was that as soon as we crossed the border from Punjab to Haryana, suddenly there were factories.
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Haresh wrote:The best counter to this Jat nationalism is to offer opportunities to the other caste groups. Training and education to the SC groups that the Jats heavily repress,
I think Jat Nationalism is getting suppressed, but not in a way many at BRF would want to see it happen. Xían Evangelical groups are very much active in Punjab and their target for 'soul harvesting' is SC/ST groups. And these groups also generally have a good mechanism for providing education & health care etc. So in a couple of generations even the SC/STs would improve their social standing, but with a different religious identity. Then Jatt nationalists (!?) will find themselves cornered by a general population who dont follow their diktats.
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Then we will have two kinds of anti-national movements in Punjab. One is Khalis, and the second is EJs. I do not doubt that all the conversions happening in Punjab ( and TN and other states) are done with a clear intention of dividing Bharat.

So we can not ignore conversion if we are interested in national security and integrity.
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Sachin wrote:Then Jatt nationalists (!?) will find themselves cornered by a general population who dont follow their diktats.
Not only that, they will have the backing of western EJ and their political clout in the western political circles.
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Yagnasri wrote:Then we will have two kinds of anti-national movements in Punjab. One is Khalis, and the second is EJs. I do not doubt that all the conversions happening in Punjab ( and TN and other states) are done with a clear intention of dividing Bharat.

So we can not ignore conversion if we are interested in national security and integrity.
I have seen this with my own eyes.
Problem is no one cares.
I remember we drove through a dusty little village in Punjab. The gurudwara & Mandir were closed and a new church with a school had been built, a huge cross and statue of Jesus.

No one cares.
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Atleast some positive coverage about punjab after long time.
https://m.timesofindia.com/education/ki ... 218971.cms


Hope this is not some PR exercise from Aap .
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L&O in free fall! Nihangs? lynch a Canadian Sikh in Punjab https://twitter.com/Gagan4344/status/16 ... 84257?s=20
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and now Canadian Khalistani sikhs will blame Government of India/Hindus/etc but themselves for lynching this innocent person. Expect Pakis to create a new spin of this news. Watch it out.
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As a guy from chennai - this is shocking - Punjab is looking like Afghanistan!!
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https://twitter.com/Doreswami108/status ... 5196832768
Doreswami @Doreswami108

Data point. Amrit Pal Singh, an Uber-driving nonentity in Dubai, was suddenly parachuted into Punjab last year to become the next Bhindranwale. Obviously groomed for the role by someone.

You know where he stopped after leaving Dubai, before arriving in India?

Tbilisi, Georgia.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1 ... 7106823170
Anti government protests in Tbilisi, Georgia … The country is not joining the anti Russian coalition and introduces laws, to regulate foreign agents.
-> Protests … we know the drill
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Wahe guru! What sort of beasts are these? Can't be allowed to run amok like this.
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Punjab Police cracks down on Waris De Punjab arrest several operatives, mystery on whether Amritpal arrested or not, Amritpal sending sos while running for life https://twitter.com/FltLtAnoopVerma/sta ... 26914?s=20

Punjab Police launched a massive state-wide Cordon And Search Operations in the state against elements of Waris Punjab De. 78 persons arrested so far, while, several others detained. Several others including Amritpal Singh are on the run & a massive manhunt has been launched to nab them: Punjab Police
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1637115982941437954?s=20
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Ambiguity over Amritpal's arrest. Whether he has been arrested and its made hush-hush or whether he is still on the run

If its the latter, one can suspect police-collusion, because there is no way he could have known about the manhunt without someone leaking
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Prem Kumar wrote:Ambiguity over Amritpal's arrest. Whether he has been arrested and its made hush-hush or whether he is still on the run

If its the latter, one can suspect police-collusion, because there is no way he could have known about the manhunt without someone leaking
there should be no doubt.

the system was, a very long ago time ago, infiltrated by the khalistanis.
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IndraD wrote:Punjab Police launched a massive state-wide Cordon And Search Operations in the state against elements of Waris Punjab De
It is very difficult to maintain secrecy in such massive operations. Police men are also coming from the same Punjabi society, so there are high chances that there would be Khalistani sympathisers or Amritpal sympathisers. News might have leaked out. When the PFI racket was busted in Kerala, it was NIA and other central police forces who did the planning and execution. K.P was told at the last moment that too only in vague terms. In the next wave of raids, K.P was informed in advance and few birds flew from their nests.

May be A.Shah & Co feels that Waris Punjab De is still something which can be handled by Punjab Police and AAP-tards.
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Sachin wrote:
IndraD wrote:Punjab Police launched a massive state-wide Cordon And Search Operations in the state against elements of Waris Punjab De
It is very difficult to maintain secrecy in such massive operations. Police men are also coming from the same Punjabi society, so there are high chances that there would be Khalistani sympathisers or Amritpal sympathisers. News might have leaked out. When the PFI racket was busted in Kerala, it was NIA and other central police forces who did the planning and execution. K.P was told at the last moment that too only in vague terms. In the next wave of raids, K.P was informed in advance and few birds flew from their nests.

May be A.Shah & Co feels that Waris Punjab De is still something which can be handled by Punjab Police and AAP-tards.
The NIA is already in the picture.

It has now become a NATSEC issue with paki and other BIF and many deep states like US, UK, germany, and kaneda deeply involved in funding, propaganda publicity, and diplomatic cover fire in the guise of protecting human rights

khujliwal, if anyone has noticed, is very quiet, knowing fully well how easy it for these flames to engulf him too.

I have a strong feeling that this waris punjab de is already a state "guest"

The center many not want a "Kallu Shaap' type of investigation that the punjab polis will do, where every one is let off because of "lack" of evidence...

This entire case has unmistakable connections to separatist and terrorist entities and also hawala sourced terrorist funding
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Good show of strength and determination by the Indian state in Punjab, for starters, the CM was called to Dehli to meet HM Shah before taking on these khalis, presumably to give him a couple of wedgies and "I know what you did last summer" pep talk. Then central forces were deployed, state police forces tightly coordinated (controlled) by the center, flag marches in many cities to warn we are ready to take you on.

And the roaring lions quickly turned into burrowing rats. Arrested aides of the poster boy Amritpal have been transferred to Assam jails. Many more things happening out of public eye.

I only wish the Govt had displayed such determination in the face of shaeen bagh and farmers protests. BIF gangs are in reality cowards who advance only when they see the state hesitating. Better latte than never.
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Amritpal Singh's 4 aides flown to Assam's Dibrugarh jail: Key points
What I liked is the effective use of existing laws to shift remand prisoners to a jail which is far off from their mother states. I really need to check the provisions in Cr.PC which enables this ;). These measures can be used to stop the CPI(M) murder gangs active in Northern Kerala as well. Shift them to some jail in H.P or UP, they will be literally crying for mercy. After the raids against PFI in KL, similar steps where taken. All the key leaders got free air lift to New Delhi, where they are still enjoying a holiday break in Tihar.

I do get a feeling that Amritpal Singh has also been picked up and is on his way to Assam to get his doze of Assam tea. His arrest & detention may be kept a secret considering his 'popularity'. If his 'body guards(?)' are in Assam he too may have been picked up by now. Once an official arrest is recorded then there are legal hassles like production in front of a judicial magistrate in next 24 hours etc.
Cyrano wrote:I only wish the Govt had displayed such determination in the face of shaeen bagh and farmers protests.
This may be a lame excuse. But Shaheen Bhag and the farmer broker gang protests at Singhu etc have actually exposed their modus operandi. Shaheen Bhag was a Popular Front of India operation. PFI is now banned, their finance channels blocked and their leadership now in a different location in New Delhi (Tihar Jail). The farmer broker gang which had Khalistani support had some free run, but now they also stand exposed and that gang is also getting neutralised in Punjab. At this juncture no secular, liberal, progressive group wants to intervene as that will affect their credibility. People tend to believe GoI more.
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Amritpal an ISI agent deployed to spread violence in India: Intelligence official
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 06225.html
This person said Saturday’s operation was precipitated by inputs of a conspiracy by Amritpal Singh and other Pakistan-based Khalistani leaders, including Lakhbir Singh Rode (head of banned outfit International Sikh Youth Federation), to attack government leaders in New Delhi and spread hatred in Punjab in the name of religion.

There have been hectic discussions between central and state intelligence officials in recent weeks, with federal officials highlighting the rapidly growing radicalisation that Singh was carrying out in the state.
As part of the plan, Khalistani leaders who backed Amritpal Singh “were trying to make improvised explosive devices (IEDs) using common chemicals by giving live demonstration in Birmingham and Glasgow”, he said.

Security agencies pointed out that Amritpal Singh used threatening tactics to keep Sikh youth in line, citing an incident where his companions attacked the Gurdwara Singh Sabha Model Town in Jalandhar in December, where they broke chairs and set the Gurdwara afire.
It was pointed out in last few weeks in meetings between top intelligence brass of the country that there was an atmosphere of fear in Punjab and everyone was questioning the administration.

“Punjab has faced two decades of bad times of terrorism. Today, no Punjabi wants to put the future of his children in a dark period,” said a third officer in intelligence agencies.

Officials at Centre further highlighted that Amritpal Singh has shown disrespect to Gurdwaras and the Akal Takht, highest temporal seat of Sikhs.

“Amritpal Singh considers himself above Guru Granth Sahib and disrespected it. He threatened Jathedar Akal Takht over committee formed against him for carrying Guru Granth Sahib to a protest site. He considers himself as the only saviour of Sikhism despite adopting Sikhism just six months back,” said the third officer.
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Amritpal Singh in contact with Khalistanis, trying to go to Canada via Nepal https://zeenews.india.com/video/india/a ... 85382.html
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We were directed to nab him (Amritpal Singh), while chasing he ended up on a one-lane link road ahead of us. While outrunning us he crashed into 5-6 motorbike riders, some were with the motive to divert us from the chase https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1637391293105020930?s=20
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Finally is he arrested or not?
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The arrest itself is a small matter. Finally the Indian state has shown the iron fist to these Khalistanis after Molly coddling them for the last 3-4 years. The Khalistanis had begun to think themselves as invincible and untouchable, and their writ goes especially as they had their puppet as CM and has paid off Kejriwal to provide cover fire in Delhi.

AMit Shah I think first laid the ground work by taking out Manish Sisodia to put Kejriwal on notice along with the comedian. Next was this operation. Amritpsl Singh getting nabbed provides fodder to the Congoons and leftists to file multiple applications to the Supreme Court. The latter will only be too happy to oblige to give him bail. So I suppose he gets hidden away for a few days or is allowed to escape to Nepal and then to wherever else.

The latter option is probably what the GoI would prefer I think: it greatly reduces Amritpal Singhs attempts to start a Khalistani movement while sitting in Trudeaus lap or in Slough gurudwara. Secondly the ISI and Canadian/British handlers will now have to look for another person to take up that role…
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Blowback from Sikh Separatist Groups of Western world is not even half hearted. No big protests, no big rallies outside Indian Embassies & Consulates.
Reason: Because Amritpal was getting much more popular getting Millions of Dollars from Wealthy Western Donors because he was working on the Ground. It was shutting down shops of organisations like “Sikhs For Justice” run by Gurpatwant Singh Pannu etc. https://twitter.com/vaibhavUP65/status/ ... 54117?s=20
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x posted from the Indo uk thread


At least this time, the actions of the GoI are prompt and decisive, clearly showing the khalistanis who's the boss. nothing wishy washy like it happened during the "farmer's agitation"

IMVHO, there may be some truth in the narrative that amrutpol has already been arrested. just saying onlee


Twitter Account of Sangrur Lok Sabha MP Simranjit Singh Mann banned in India.

Earlier today he said "NSA was involved in happenings in Punjab. Bhagwant has supported Amit Shah and NSA Ajit Doval in this.


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the next big push for amrutpol will come from kaneda.
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https://www.theweek.in/wire-updates/nat ... unjab.html
HM Amit Shah had earlier deployed 10 companies of CRPF and 8 companies of RAF in Punjab with anti-riot gear, from 6th to 16th March in view of G20 summit.
It looks like AS castled the centre and checkmated whisky bhai in the same move and no one was the wiser or even saw it coming.
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:P Who is whisky bhai and why is he so called? :P
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Tanaji wrote::P Who is whisky bhai and why is he so called? :P
That is his staple diet

he was also loaded to the gills when he got kicked off a german airline
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Tanaji wrote:The Khalistanis had begun to think themselves as invincible and untouchable, and their writ goes especially as they had their puppet as CM and has paid off Kejriwal to provide cover fire in Delhi.
Don't know what the actual role of Nihangs in Sikh religion is. But off late they had become too uppity with the main stream media also trying to show them as invincibles. This was evidenced during the farmer broker gang protests as well. This may be the right time to do some real public policing on them too. The best way would be the Gujarat police way, but it has to be done by Sikh policemen so that it does not becomes a religious issue. KPS Gill had curbed the first round of Khalistani terrorism using the same Sikh policemen who were motivated to put up a fight.
So I suppose he gets hidden away for a few days or is allowed to escape to Nepal and then to wherever else.
I do get a feeling that he has already been picked up. And now the extraction of information is going on. He is said to be an ISI spy as well, so every body from the Punjab SB CID all the way to IB, R&AW would like to have some good discussions with him. After the complete extraction of juice he would either be allowed to run away from India, or get encountered when trying to make an escape via Nepal etc.
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I think the problem is as follows. Sikhs command a special respect in India. By and large the rest of us look up to them in some way as the force that saved us from total annihilation, admire the teachings of the gurus, the sense of equality & universality, and the concept of langar & seva (which certainly goes a way back but was institutionalized by Guru Nanak himself). Sikhs enjoy a high level of individual expression of religion including in the military with regards to their ceremonies and traditions.

The problem is that this genuine respect goes to the head and gets misinterpreted as a sign of weakness of the rest of the country. That is when rationality breaks down. With some encouragement from vested interests, sooner or later some joker shows up to inflame passions and push for a secessionist agenda. This joker is tolerated or even encouraged by political interests, gains a following, becomes larger than life and then inevitably gets eliminated by the state. It is a cycle of stupidity and violence, and I hope we don't fall into this trap yet again.
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There is much happening in India for which we can blame ourselves. But when you step back and see where the instigation and support is coming from I believe it's the US behind it. Covertly getting its grovelling vassals UK, Canada and AUS to allow Khalistani forces to take root and grow. Canada brazenly offers state support. These are countries that run a massive surveillance state - US has Homeland Security, FBI and ICE, others have their equivalents, and have invested in getting unfettered access to big tech & SM platforms, mobile & data networks over decades. They know for sure what Khalistani movement is, who are its key players and what they can do to India. Moreover, its impossible to think that the US and its vassals are unaware of ISI and Pak establishment pumping drugs, money and weapons into Punjab since years.

There have been numerous provocative processions of people and convoys of cars waving Khalistani flags, Bhindrawale posters and openly shouting anti-India slogans in and around several major US cities, and 10x across CA, UK, AUS. We are only fooling ourselves if we think none of the security agencies in these countries are aware of whats going on.

These are free democratic countries where you use the wrong pronoun at someone on the street and the police appears out of no where to arrest you. Then what explains the consistent and conspicuous absence of police forces when Khalistani mobs gather around Indian consulates, shout slogans, carrying flags, vandalising without hinderance? Every time? Why no police is deployed preventively or at least immediately to disperse these violent crowds? IMO the answer is two fold. 1. To demonstrate to these mobs that they have state support 2. To embolden their counterparts agitating in India that their foreign supporters have those Govt's backing and therefore they can go ahead. Latest atttcaks on Indian consulates in London, Australia and US the (SFO) illustrate this amply. They may try to pass it off as India's problem within in diaspora - its anything but, and goes against international obligation of these states to protect foreign embassies and consulates without any reservation.

While this Govt has at last woken up and has started dealing with these separatists as it should, years of molly coddling and appeasement (yes thats what it effectively is, though the intent may have been "pyaar se samjhaana") has allowed these snakes to grow in numbers and justified to their foreign govt backers that these groups are delivering the expected unrest in India and are able to challenge the Indian state to the point of inaction, afraid and unsure of how far they can go. Between farmers protests, Delhi riots and now, the problem has only grown manifold and the India Govt has a much harder and trickier task to deal with this nuisance within the country and outside, by taking on powerful foreign nations.

Now the stakes are so high, there can be no backing out. Wrt to foreign support in US, CA, UK, AUS:

1. India should first of all demand and insist that adequate police & force protection should be ensured to all our consulates and stations in these countries, including visible brands like Air India etc. And remind them that such obligations are RECIPROCAL.

2. Demand that Khalistani movement babe recognised as an international terrorist movement with immediate effect and impose ban on its flags, iconography, propaganda production and dissemination, congregation and financing. Demand FATF compliance on this. Demand that each head of state and official publicly denounce Khalistan movement and promise strict action on its adherents.

3. Put on hold all arms deals, BOEING commercial aircraft purchases, trade deals, bilateral meetings etc until action taken reports on the above are provided back to India.

4. Seriously take up the creation of an Indian Overseas Protection Force to deploy in and around our embasies for their protection (need to check the legalese on that). Upgrade our facilites in these countries from current buildings to proper compounds which offer layers of protection and privacy.

5. Launch a domestic and international media war to highlight the true nature of Khalistani movement, its bloody history and its pathetic present. Make noise in the UN if you want, but dont count on it.

Telugu saying "what can be nipped with a finger nail, if left unchecked, will need an axe" comes to mind. But now there is no choice.
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amrutpol's uncle and 5 other close aides charged under NSA Act, and same fate awaits amrutpol too, if and when.....

under NSA, they can be held without bail for 12 months and even other pillars cannot interfere

helpless and impotent khujliwal remains a dumb bystander as the iron fist emerges
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I have an old sardar friend who moved to California. He used to work in Manufacturing, I asked him what is is going on in US, Canada and UK

This is his response
"There are hundred of Sikhs who have completed/commuted their jail time 5-10 years ago but still not being released after that many years. In fact there is a Sikh who started going to village by village to ask Sikhs to become good religious Sikhs by baptizing themselves.

Also getting masses to protest against Government's undocumented policy of keeping Sikhs in jail even ( also some Sikhs have died in jails being there for no reasons) they have completed their jail time. Going village by village to do daily prayers is good for themselves, their kids, their family and mankind.

Government started feeling insecure to see if masses baptize and follow the true way of Sikhism. Government may have to give Sikhs their rights and Government will not be able break and rule as usual. So in last three four days center government imposed class 144, followed with shutting down internet for two three days in Punjab so masses will not be able to communicate.

It is Indian Governments political agenda to suppress Sikhs, particularly center Modi Party lost election after unsuccessful suppressing farmers/Kisans for to work for big corporations and grow what the corporate will ask to grow at set selling price by corporate. It is big game plan if Modi government to make rich few business rich, sell all government owned properties, railroads, airports, airlines to just few Indian businesses."
I tried to reason in
"I don't know about agriculture but industries and privatization is key for India. We are now assembling iphones. The GDP ranking of India gone from 10 to 5 because of foreign investment and manufacturing. Govt should not run airlines. Air India was losing 10000 crores every year.
Agriculture is unknown to me. If we don't modernize, we become like Pakistan. See how pakistan is going bankrupt.
I thought congress and kejriwal are in power in Punjab. Why are they not releasing prisoners?"

His response:
Privatization is good for industry but selling historical places and giving everything to few businesses is not. Particularly controlling farmers to grow what the company as you to grow but then the company will buy at set price, but there is no set price for farmers to buy Ary high priced all the necessities such as water, seeds, equipments, gas, electricity to be used for growing crops. Corporations set buy at cheaper price to ruin farmers their ability to pay back their loans for the above and more things. In those cases corporations will take over farmers land and force them to work for Industry. I think central government controls through their appointed Governors in each State.
Again But government is feeling shaky because Amritpal Singh going against the government to release those in Jail should be released because they have commuted their terms. There is no such law to keep them in jail but government for many years denying to release them. All politicians are for themselves, some less or more.

All the media is under strict controlled by the Indian government. Whatever news is out is made by and for Indian government about Amritpal. There is independent news agency in India who can show he is saying or said if Khalistan. No Sikh wants Khalistan. That word is gone with the wind back in 80s.
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It is not too surprising. The paranoia of persecution is manufactured on demand.

The difference with the contemporary discontent is that India has moved on from the 1980s. Nobody gives a damn. If panjab’s wheat contribution to the central pool were to be nil, there would still be comfortable stocks.

When was the last time Indians or the world used another product or service that comes from panjab?

Why do panjabi Hindus multiply their entrepreneurship, productivity and income once they leave panjab?


Has Sikhi outlived its purpose? I support Sikhs innovating in the religion. Introduce blasphemy laws but only against fellow believers. No problem. Continue caste oppression the mazabhis will find a way in the one true god. Accept alcohol and drugs as part of the culture and stop stigmistising naive youth who take to drugs given the industrial and socioeconomic policies. The choice is become a raagi or find salvation in a powder.

The GoI censors a lot of data on Panjab. What are the addiction relates among the different castes of Sikhi? What are the rates for Hindus? What is the population of what the jatwadis, as Puneet Sahani calls them?
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This corporates will take away land canard isn’t just limited to Punjab, I argued the same with a software startup entrepreneur who kept saying ambani will crush farmers. I argued that it’s much easier and profitable to crush startups like his but reason has been thrown out. I think the motive is to somehow defeat Modi for a wiered sense of satisfaction. Add to this a sense of minority persecution and u have a dangerous mix .

This line of thinking is the strongest in AAP supporters and old socialists
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Part of such disbelief may be coming from realising how the west is dominated by crony capitalism and WEF types, and though we are just starting on entrepreneurial revival in India, that we will be taking a short cut to where the west is today. And because we spent the last 70 years aping the west in terms of socialist or liberal models and haven't yet evolved our own contemporary Indic and dharmic models for governance, enterprise and citizen; and the ideal relationship between these with rules of interplay that can get us closer to that ideal. It will happen with time but until then such scepticism will exist and express itself in poorly thought out forms like Anti-Modyism.
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Atmavik wrote:This corporates will take away land canard isn’t just limited to Punjab, I argued the same with a software startup entrepreneur who kept saying ambani will crush farmers. I argued that it’s much easier and profitable to crush startups like his but reason has been thrown out. I think the motive is to somehow defeat Modi for a wiered sense of satisfaction. Add to this a sense of minority persecution and u have a dangerous mix .

This line of thinking is the strongest in AAP supporters and old socialists
Lack of intelligence among common HIndus about political and civilizations matters is another factor.
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I don't think they'll ever catch him. Officially. Tamil speaking folks may recall the ending of the film Saamy.
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No need to catch him...a permanent 'fugitive' is a better deterrence than anything else
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