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This is how Kejriwal will bring his own gestapo into Delhi. It has always irked him that he doesn't have control over the Delhi Police, even as CM.

Now that he controls Punjab, he's recruiting among the Khalistani elements there to create a private narco-terrorist army which can easily enforce his writ in both states. This private army will face no opposition from the Punjab state govt, which is under AAP control. It will be used just as TMC jihadis are to intimidate and murder political opponents within Punjab. And it will be imported into Delhi to challenge the authority of the Delhi Police with acts of lawless violence-- for which Kejriwal will then blame the central government.
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chetak wrote:
Lisa ji,

If interested, go here for a ppt presentation

https://slideplayer.com/slide/8430311/
Thank you all. Reminder to self, watch more CSI!
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Very odd set of characters.

Moosewala murder

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/15345394 ... 56fVA&s=19
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ramana wrote:Very odd set of characters.

Moosewala murder

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/15345394 ... 56fVA&s=19
Those folks from MH were guns for hire ? OR is it more sinister than that ? If it was an unknown "Shooter" they wanted, UP admittedly still offers a larger talent pool and green ghettos to hide them in.
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More importantly, why is Delhi police talking about this?
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Does it matter if these people are Sikhs or Nasrani?

I don’t think Hindus are converting en masse.
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Of course avoiding the word caste in the trenchant analysis above does not help the Sikh cause.


But then, there is no caste in Sikhi.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Of course avoiding the word caste in the trenchant analysis above does not help the Sikh cause.


But then, there is no caste in Sikhi.
Please stop painting an entire community with one brush, just because of a few bad apples. Kindly desist from doing this in the future.

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I think the point has been made.

The last several posts are returning the favour of “taane dena”. It is not in the culture outside rural panjab. That does not mean it requires extraordinary intellectual capacity.

That Delhi gurudwara’s Sirsa made a political career of it. How do you like them apples?

Panjabi Hindus find it as odious and tiresome.
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Punjabi Hindus have got a serious mental condition...Nothing else explains kapil sharma eulogizing moosewala and other dead khalistani pigs infront of a canadian khalistani crowd.
He better have to pay a price for this insolence else rest of the hindus are no better.
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The comedian Kapil Sharma? Who cares for him?
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It’s business.
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Typical opportunist heathen. Lacking firmness in his own faith, he ingratiates himself to people of the true lord who hold him in contempt. Similar specimens found in native Americans and Africans too, and throughout Indian history
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vmalik wrote:Nothing else explains kapil sharma eulogizing moosewala and other dead khalistani pigs infront of a canadian khalistani crowd.
Is he an artist/movie star by any chance? In that case assume this behaviour to be part of that profession. These people are making a living by acting in front of others. So they will 'act' in any way; if the viewers like it and willing to pay money for it. The words like 'Nautanki' used as a pejorative is basically after recognition of this behaviour. In India, unfortunately these charlatans and various actor/actresses are considered to be 'intellectuals'.
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Why this behavior by movie stars / artists not seen in those belonging to Muslims or Christian faiths? Why only Hindus?
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What happened to the moderate Sikhs in 1980s Panjab? What do Muslim apostates do after declaring themselves free?


Compare and contrast with Hindu leftist/Dravidian types.
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Film CAT, Bihar and Punjab

https://twitter.com/TheAtulMishra/statu ... QzcCg&s=19

Read tweet series
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interesting guy, this bhau amritpal singh, came back from dubai after 10 years and has established a good hold on the society in punjab under the aegis of waaris punjab de, his grasp on contemporary mores and integration with past glory and way forward is better than most political personalities, understands punjabis have become laggards in many areas and are simply eking out sustenance when they migrate to other countries, bears monitoring

goes without saying, very insular when it comes to migration into punjab, has not extended this insight into migration of punjabis to foreign countries or even to different states
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I’ve seen a few videos of him and looks like a thug or mafia who moves around with armed bodyguards. Don’t tell me he learned about Punjab’s problems in thubai
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his past is certainly mysterious, but his mannerism is educated... to a certain degree, looks like he has drunk deeply the mysteries and tribulations mentioned in universities such as jattwiki, a deeper analysis and step-up from plebeian vehicles such as whatsapp university, an individual who has reached this stage following the markings of his curated echo-chamber, which makes it an interesting study.

anecdote time: in ozistan, i talk with uber drivers who are invariably from the state of punjab, in the past 3 years that i have been here, the following is the viewpoint from the personnel in one word: despondency, they openly mock their own custom of selling farmlands back home and coming here on an education visa, which they promptly drop / change, work very hard day and night on manual work, making ubereats deliveries, working as security, hospitality whatever, to send money back home or utilise here and flaunt overt wealth in form of cars, electronics; they openly acknowledge that the culture of education is currently not present in punjab, and fully understand their standing on the totem pole not only with the natives but with other indians who have chosen the route of study.

The view is not unanimous, you have your usual chauvinists, fighting the good fight in bumfuk, australia, castigating bjp led governments and the view is not different from the paki-mohemaddan view of 20000 graves discovered in gj after godhra, they too provide illustrative conversations.

I talked with a person fairly recently after aap came into power, drugs and more drugs was the response, even the diaspora aapiyas are not satisfied, for they have a valid reasoning it seems, how will their nation come into fruition when the will and ardour has been sapped from the youth? i always talk about the central government, facts and logics, but they have built their echo-chamber, which is why amritpal singh is intriguing, he seems to be the culmination of this 1d conversation among the community
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Looks like this fellow thought instead of just adulating Bhindrawale why not become one ? Very shady character...
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He was a truck driver in Dubai. He certainly is a man of his people.
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Absence of any remarks about Farm Laws in RaGa's speech indicates Congress has given up on Punjab.
The Khalistani factions will vote for AAP and nationalists will vote for BJP.
There is no space for Congress's secularism of fooling the people.
Something to think about the future impact on Punjab.
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This dude (Amritpal singh Sandhu) is semi-literate with no basic knowledge. He lies all the time., for example in this video he says "Unions are banned in USA". According to Sikhism you are yourself responsible to learn the Granths and not rely on any other "Saint" or "Guru". People like these have used the same modus operandi (Bhindrenwale, Ram Rahim, etc) to woo gullible people for their own political/economic benefits.
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I am not sure that BJP will get any vote automatically if INC becomes weak. BJP, for decades, did not build any organisation or give any message independently to voters. Sikhs were brainwashed for a long time to hate the BJp RSS, and even if they do not support pA, APis will vote for some other BIF parties (Akalis of various kinds, BSP etc.), and not BJP.

Plus, socially, culturally, and religiously the links between Sikhs and Hindus are at their weakest now. This brainwashing has been going on since the 1980s without anyone taking notice. Now it is almost the mainstream thought. SGPC and others do not care, cryptos control the Sikh mainstream now, and ordinary Sikhs do not even notice it. Khali ideas have far more acceptance now.
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Thanks ricky_v for heads-up on this guy. Was not aware of his genesis as a leader and his murky past. Sounds like a Mullah Omar type late bloomer who suddenly appeared one day, all bright and purposeful :wink: :wink:

Curious. Did he have any role in the conversations you had with the segment of diaspora servicing Uber’s clients?

Also a general question: what happened to the Akali Dal factions? From being ruling class until as recently as 2019, they seem to have disappeared overnight. Who recycled their votebank?
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Yagnasri wrote:I am not sure that BJP will get any vote automatically if INC becomes weak. BJP, for decades, did not build any organisation or give any message independently to voters. Sikhs were brainwashed for a long time to hate the BJp RSS, and even if they do not support pA, APis will vote for some other BIF parties (Akalis of various kinds, BSP etc.), and not BJP.

Plus, socially, culturally, and religiously the links between Sikhs and Hindus are at their weakest now. This brainwashing has been going on since the 1980s without anyone taking notice. Now it is almost the mainstream thought. SGPC and others do not care, cryptos control the Sikh mainstream now, and ordinary Sikhs do not even notice it. Khali ideas have far more acceptance now.
^^
Correction, brainwashing has been going on since the 1900s when Akalis threw our the murti of Vishnu from Har Mandir Saheb at the behest of Brits. Same Akalis ruled Indian Punjab with their leader belonging to the family that orchestrated this event with British. Stop blaming BJP for every problem, they cannot help you if Hindus are unable to unite for any cause and have zero shatrubodh. They are like hapless sheeps waiting to be slaughtered.

I will get banned for saying this but Punjabi Hindus are the biggest Dhimmis I've ever met in my life. They are in so much awe of their western biraders and sikhs that they actively and openly talk against BJP or any Hindu cause in Punjab. Their long lost Himachali Hindus brothers are right up with them in their Dhimmitude. Look at Bollywood as an example which is full of Punjabis who were kicked out of Punjab in 1947 and yet make aman ki asha tamasha movies.
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ricky_v wrote:
i talk with uber drivers who are invariably from the state of punjab, in the past 3 years that i have been here, the following is the viewpoint from the personnel in one word: despondency, they openly mock their own custom of selling farmlands back home and coming here on an education visa, which they promptly drop / change, work very hard day and night on manual work, making ubereats deliveries, working as security, hospitality whatever, to send money back home or utilise here and flaunt overt wealth in form of cars, electronics; they openly acknowledge that the culture of education is currently not present in punjab, and fully understand their standing on the totem pole not only with the natives but with other indians who have chosen the route of study.

The view is not unanimous, you have your usual chauvinists, fighting the good fight in bumfuk, australia, castigating bjp led governments and the view is not different from the paki-mohemaddan view of 20000 graves discovered in gj after godhra, they too provide illustrative conversations.

I talked with a person fairly recently after aap came into power, drugs and more drugs was the response, even the diaspora aapiyas are not satisfied, for they have a valid reasoning it seems, how will their nation come into fruition when the will and ardour has been sapped from the youth? i always talk about the central government, facts and logics, but they have built their echo-chamber, which is why amritpal singh is intriguing, he seems to be the culmination of this 1d conversation among the community
It's the same in the UK. The problem with these types in if you ever present an alternative PoV or prove them wrong using facts, logic, they become resentful that A/ You do not agree with them and B/You have proved them wrong.

Now take a look at this petition. It is garbage and is a paranoid conspiracy theory.
This is the mindset of a lot of people.

https://www.change.org/p/stop-sgpc-from ... 2219670981
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Violent protests by Sikhs wielding swords and rising horses clashing with the police in Chandigarh today
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The unfortunate fallout of what we did or did not do during Farm laws "agitation". We allowed them to attack our police and do whatever they want, and now they think they can do anything and get away with anything. With pAAPis in power, they may get away with anything.
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vimal wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:I am not sure that BJP will get any vote automatically if INC becomes weak. BJP, for decades, did not build any organisation or give any message independently to voters. Sikhs were brainwashed for a long time to hate the BJp RSS, and even if they do not support pA, APis will vote for some other BIF parties (Akalis of various kinds, BSP etc.), and not BJP.

Plus, socially, culturally, and religiously the links between Sikhs and Hindus are at their weakest now. This brainwashing has been going on since the 1980s without anyone taking notice. Now it is almost the mainstream thought. SGPC and others do not care, cryptos control the Sikh mainstream now, and ordinary Sikhs do not even notice it. Khali ideas have far more acceptance now.
^^
Correction, brainwashing has been going on since the 1900s when Akalis threw our the murti of Vishnu from Har Mandir Saheb at the behest of Brits. Same Akalis ruled Indian Punjab with their leader belonging to the family that orchestrated this event with British. Stop blaming BJP for every problem, they cannot help you if Hindus are unable to unite for any cause and have zero shatrubodh. They are like hapless sheeps waiting to be slaughtered.

I will get banned for saying this but Punjabi Hindus are the biggest Dhimmis I've ever met in my life. They are in so much awe of their western biraders and sikhs that they actively and openly talk against BJP or any Hindu cause in Punjab. Their long lost Himachali Hindus brothers are right up with them in their Dhimmitude. Look at Bollywood as an example which is full of Punjabis who were kicked out of Punjab in 1947 and yet make aman ki asha tamasha movies.
in my conversations with an NRI sikh friend (much saner guy than the general lot of the diaspora/community) attributes the 'animosity' to even further back, to the influence of swami dayanand saraswati's writings about sikh-panth/guru nanak. even though swamiji corrected himself after his visit to punjab, the 'bad taste' didnt go.
and yes i think the upper middle/upper class of punjabis trump even the bengalis who returned from bangladesh/witnessed the horrors of partition & many still filled the ranks of communist party & became leftists, but still we have many who realize the reality & are outspoken about it, while we seldom find such people among the punjabi hindus/sikhs.
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Blaming Arya Samaj is an old thing for apologists of Jatt caste supremacists.
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The Making of Medieval Panjab: Politics, Society and Culture c. 1000–c. 1500
Surinder Singh

This book seeks to reconstruct the past of undivided Panjab during five medieval centuries. It opens with a narrative of the efforts of Turkish warlords to achieve control in the face of tribal resistance, internal dissensions and external invasions. It examines the linkages of the ruling class with Zamindars and Sufis, paving the way for canal irrigation and agrarian expansion, thus strengthening the roots of the state in the region. While focusing on the post-Timur phase, it tries to make sense of the new ways of acquiring political power.
This work uncovers the perpetual attempts of Zamindars to achieve local dominance, particularly in the context of declining presence of the state in the countryside. In this ambitious enterprise, they resorted to the support of their clans, adherence to hallowed customs and recurrent use of violence, all applied through a system of collective and participatory decision-making.
The volume traces the growth of Sufi lineages built on training disciples, writing books, composing poetry and claiming miraculous powers. Besides delving into the relations of the Sufis with the state and different sections of society, it offers an account of the rituals at a prominent shrine. Paying equal attention to the southeastern region, it deals with the engagement of the Sabiris, among other exemplars, with Islamic spirituality. Inclusive in approach and lucid in expression, the work relies on a wide range of evidence from Persian chronicles, Sufi literature, and folklore, some of which have been used for the first time.
and


Medieval Panjab in Transition: Authority, Resistance and Spirituality C.1500 -C.1700
Surinder Singh
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Is Sikhism a dharmic Sufi cult?
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no! Sikhism and sufiism do not go together. Sikhism is much more a Bhakti Dharma where emphasis is on singing the bani in classic ragas. Guru Gobind Singh converted his disciples to become soldiers who would do both Sing Gurbani and Fight. Muslim sufis are into converting others to Islam, Sikhs never forced or influenced anyone to convert to Sikhism.
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Thanks for the reply.
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Yagnasri wrote:Blaming Arya Samaj is an old thing for apologists of Jatt caste supremacists.
And that is all that this khalistan rubbish is Jatt caste supremacy.
The latest thing from these idiots is that they are not a caste but a different race, because caste is a Hindu concept and they are Sikhs they do not follow caste.

Strangely enough I met some old High school friends for a few beers last night.
they invited some of their friends who were East African Sikhs, from the Ramgharia community/caste.
They all to a man said that no one from their community is interested in khalistan and it is just Jatt caste supremacy.

The Jatts are 15-20 % of the population of Punjab. Just because they make a lot of noise, doesn't mean they speak for everyone.
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But this small % of the state has political, money, and, most importantly, street/muscle power. They also now have tremendous BIF support. Just like aggressive momos.
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I don’t think they want to break up India.

So they get half of panjab and twice as many Sikhs.

Will the gangs of Surrey or the insurance scamsters of Brampton pay their electricity and fertilizers?

Will they sell to the bania in India? Will they eventually give their daughters to west panjabi Muslims?

They are trying to insure they get to keep political power and are not challenged by rival economic power from industry, Hindus or other castes.
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