Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact

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Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby ManSingh » 08 Jan 2016 08:36

another news report..A bit loud in tone but very accurate


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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby SBajwa » 11 Jan 2016 19:07

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab ... 82054.html


The removal of liquor vends from national highways following the High Court orders in the state has stirred up a hornet's nest as vends removed from NH are now being set up illegally near residential areas and educational institutions in violation of the excise policy.

Earlier, the Punjab and Haryana High Court had ordered removal of all liquor vends from the national highways on a petition moved by Harman Singh Sidhu, President of Chandigarh-based NGO ArriveSAFE.

Sidhu said he too had been receiving numerous phone calls, e-mails and letters from people all over the state over vends near residential areas.

"Besides Kurali, Amritsar and Jalandhar, I got maximum calls from Malwa district in this regard. There are numerous places where the Excise Department has allowed shifting of vend which are quite close to educational institutes, hospitals and residential places," Sidhu said. Students of Girls' College in Bathinda too were up in arms against a liquor vend close to their college, which was removed after college authorities held several protests. Sidhu said: "It appears that the government is hell-bent on minting money from the sale of liquor vends."

"The only purpose of getting vends removed from the NH is to reduce drunken driving and consequent fatal and serious road mishaps," he added. Anurag Verma, Excise and Taxation Commisioner (ETC), Punjab, said he was aware of such problems and had assigned the task of looking into these complaints to excise officials concerned.

Bathinda MLA and Chief Parliamentary Secretary (Excise and Taxation) Sarup Chand Singla has also admitted to receiving such complaints. He,said:"This is a state policy and I have little role to play, but even then I will ask top officials to remove illegal vends."

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby ManSingh » 01 May 2016 06:30

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ludhiana/Heroin-now-runs-in-the-family-in-Punjab/articleshow/52048443.cms

Just another normal report. As usual, nothing really changed on the ground despite the noise after the recent cross border attacks.

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby ManSingh » 02 May 2016 01:55

Slowly but surely...Punjab's march towards Mexico continues.

The actual event...
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/fazilka-gangster-turned-politician-shot-dead/230284.html

The environment:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/with-links-traced-to-politicians-cops-who-will-rein-in-gangsters/230712.html

and the shocker...
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/credit-war-over-rocky-s-killing/230710.html

From the above link:
Similarly, other activists of the same group Vicky Gounder Sarawan Bodla, who is lodged in Nabha jail, had yesterday uploaded a photo of Rocky with the caption: “Ajj apne veer Shere Khuban da badla pura ho gya.....aah bnata MLA......nale ik gal hor SSP Bathinda Swapan Sharma CIA Bathinda ch mnu kehnda c mitti vich late par mein Rocky de yaar Swapan Sharma nu keha c k mein dsu jdo Rocky nu mitti ch lataya ....Aah hunda asli latena SSP Swapan Sharma.”

which basically translates to a gangster lodged in jail claiming credit for a gang shootout and is openly threatening SSP CIA on facebook.

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby ManSingh » 06 May 2016 06:46

Maybe it's getting a bit boring ( apologize for that ) but here is further on Punjab's march to mexico. All below are in a single day:

1. http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/crime/gangsters-fire-at-rivals-kill-1/232259.html

gang shootout in a busy market. gangsters were on multiple bikes. Head of one gang was shot in front of a police station and killers escaped in a red beacon car.

2. http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/community/kidnapped-patiala-schoolgirl-freed-in-6-hrs/232194.html

school going girl kidnapped. Father paid a ransom of 50 lakhs and got her freed. Police did not intervene. Reason being in a similar case last week a 14 year old child ended up dead.

3. For a small state, here is what the crime scene looks like:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/70-active-gangs-over-500-gangsters-and-counting/232197.html
From above:
For the past few years, especially after the advent of the IPL T20 cricket, the bookies were using gangsters to collect payments. The money involved is huge.

4. Sample case. This is the best link of all. Guaranteed entertainment:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wanted-for-gangster-jaswinder-rocky-s-murder-meet-jaipal-man-of-the-moment-in-the-underworld-of-punjab-northern-india/story-AuGpZwuzuIsy7lqYgUiZFP.html

To experienced BRF folks, the above may seem run of the mill and just like any other state.
But it is not. This is the beginning of a new problem in Punjab and if not nipped in the bud would grow huge and affect much of north west India in the next few years. I have read somewhere ( can't recall ) that links are tied to a UP don, the guy who fought against Narendra Modi in varanasi.

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby sanjaykumar » 01 Sep 2017 01:09

Christian brain washing activity can't surely be successful against Sikhs in general. Or does he mean Mazhabis?

I once asked a Sikh doctor to spread the facts of alcohol and drug abuse among his community as he was ideally placed to do so.
His reply was "they don't heed the Gurus, do you think they will listen to me?"

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Postby ramana » 01 Sep 2017 01:17

Everyone washes their hands off.

Anyway after Congress won the state and AAP got defeated, looks like the drug menace propaganda is slowing down.,

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Postby Haresh » 01 Sep 2017 16:13

sanjaykumar wrote:Christian brain washing activity can't surely be successful against Sikhs in general. Or does he mean Mazhabis?I once asked a Sikh doctor to spread the facts of alcohol and drug abuse among his community as he was ideally placed to do so.His reply was "they don't heed the Gurus, do you think they will listen to me?"


I have a cousin, her and her husband have just converted to xtianity in London.
They are at best semi literate. husband has been here 40 yrs, no English. same with my cousin, been here since 1982, no English.

The missionaries prey on these people like vultures.
To be honest I don't think the Punjabi's know how to handle them, they just do not know how to react.
If you live in a village with no hope and some person offers you some sort of salvation, spiritual or promises of food, work, immigration or maybe just listens to your woes, then how are you going to compete?????

Maybe I am uninformed, but I do not believe the dharmic religions have a tradition of pastoral care. Correct me if I am wrong.

The comment "they don't heed the Gurus, do you think they will listen to me?"
This is just appalling.

Those who have some sort of authority need to do what they can.

If anyone is interested I can make enquiries here and find brochures on how families can support drug addicts, they will be in English and will need someone to translate them into Punjabi/Hindi.



My cousins enquire if I can help them immigrate or find jobs, or if I can use some sort of imaginary influence. I can't help them like that.

They way I can help them is to turn my fathers house into a skill learning co operative. If any one has any info on handicraft training organisations that can help please provide details.

People need to be provided with hope and work, or you will have a tidal wave of xtianity as well as the drugs to deal with.

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby sunnyP » 02 Sep 2017 05:09

ramana wrote:Pubjab Sikhism, Drugs Culture and Civilization

An NRI's anguish.....


A depressing, albeit interesting, read.

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby ramana » 07 Jun 2019 00:55

Important thread...

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SBajwa wrote:
Vikas wrote:Why Sikhs should carry the burden of establishing 'Khalsa empire'. It should be project for whole of Bharat and the right person to lead this charge is already on the job.
Punjab division looks so artificial. If you ever are on a Intl flight crossing over from Pakjab to Indian Punjab, you would be hard pressed to find any natural boundary lines. If we don't get back land upto Sindhu back in India in next few decades, It will be lost forever like Afghan and Burma.


Try ever traveling Amritar to Lahore, Ferozepur to Kasur, Gurdaspur to Sialkote. Not only it is totally flat it slopes down towards "Lahinda Punjab" aka "Where Sun sets down" as oppose to "Chardha Punjab" " where sun rises" . Except for the barbed wire on International border.

Sbajwa Ji: What is the %age of Jutt Sikh in Pnnjab as a ratio of total Sikh population and why Non-Jutt Sikh haven't risen up to demand their share in the pie of religious affairs yet especially knowing that access to real power is one of the major aspirational goal of most of the communities in India. Is this another of the fault lines that some BIF can easily exploit at the right time ?


Jat Sikhs are 40-50% of the Sikh population in Punjab and control agriculture, industry, transportation, police, Sikhism and politics.

The non-Jutt Sikhs are mostly outside of Punjab and in control of historical Gurudaras in Delhi (Delhi Gurdwara Prabhandak committee), Nanded and Patna Gurudwaras. non-historical Gururdwaras all over rest of india are also controlled by non-Jutts.

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby Rudradev » 07 Jun 2019 03:11

Drug smugglers and dealers in Punjab are going to have to be confronted with a Rodrigo Duterte approach. Expecting, of course, that the Trudeau-Khalistanis, the California-Khalistanis, the Southall-Khalistanis et al will start up the same kind of hue-and-cry that the globalists have recently been perpetuating against Duterte.

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby ramana » 23 Dec 2020 00:56

[url=https://www.organiser.org/Encyc/2020/12/22/Ok-Farm-Laws-repealed.html]Ok if Farm Laws repealed?[url]


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By all accounts, it is slowly emerging that the opposition to new Farm Laws comes from Punjab and parts of Haryana. As per reports from other states, response of farmers and farmer organisations there, it seems that overwhelming majority of farmers want to move out of the clutches of APMC or Mandis controlled by politicians or their agents. The survey today by Network18 also shows this trend. Many experts have already written about major government procurement of wheat and paddy being done only from Punjab though there are larger producers of wheat and paddy outside these states. I will not get into historicity of this situation. It is clear that farmers of Punjab are major beneficiaries subsidies, MSP and guaranteed pick of their produce, whatever the quality or cost. So, they have an interest in status quo. I challenge below the very idea of sticking to the status quo.

Enough has been said for and against the new bills. I start this analysis by putting my faith in the anti-Farm Bills lobby. So, let us assume that understanding the strong sentiments of the Punjab, farmers government repeals the new Farm Laws. What next?

I am a Punjabi who was born in Mumbai but whose father was so attached to his roots that he would take us to our village every year in the hot summers due to school holiday season. Yes, we enjoyed winter when everything was bountiful. So, I have witnessed the rise in economic well being and wonderful joyous atmosphere in the village and the adjoining mandi Moga, the biggest mandi (grain market) after Khanna in Punjab. They are supposed be the biggest in Asia. My village is 9 km from Moga. I have also seen the decline and greying of once colourful atmosphere of Punjab. I was in and out of Punjab during the entire period of Khalistan related terrorism and have seen the grim fight to stay together despite high decibel violent campaigns to terrorise and throw out Hindus, and silence Sikhs who opposed their ideology.

I give this background to take this as a test case of development of Punjab and what has gone wrong with this once vibrant state. We witnessed kacha roads converted to brick roads by shramdan of villagers, school boys and girls with government offering road building material. I recall our car getting stuck in sand on way to village, taking bullock cart, going by camel, later by cycle to reach my village. Later, we had famous Matador Tempos that we would ride hanging onto them like bananas. Buses came much later. We saw power coming to village, we saw Nestle coming (its first dairy and milk procurement began in Moga) and also the Green Revolution that saw sand dunes in our areas converted to lush green fields. We literally saw prosperity arriving in our villages. We also saw our dear neighbours move to Hanumangarh (near Sri Ganga Nagar) and later some move even to Madhya Pradesh for bigger holdings and better incomes.

The farming patterns changed during Green Revolution with easy availability of irrigation facilities. Crops that gave guaranteed income with government support, with subsidised fertilisers, powerand water coupled with MSP became predominant crops in an area that was not basically suitable for those crops. Rice was so alien to the local culture that if you asked for rice they would assume it to be sweetened rice as a dessert or a special treat! One would get it hardly once in a fortnight if one stayed long enough. These farming practices went well till the water levels went down precariously and more and more chemicals – fertilisers as well as pesticides - were needed to produce more of paddy and wheat. Slowly, farming became very demanding and much difficult to pursue at a heavy cost to farmer in terms of health and hard work. There would be accidents where a farmer and his labour would get buried inside the deep bore well being dug as water tables dropped. Pesticides related diseases began to rise. As prosperity increased, new generation didn’t find labouring in farms very attractive. So, we saw the influx of ‘Biharis’ who not just did labour on the field, but slowly took over jobs like rickshaw drivers. Unfortunately, they were not given due respect or dignity but poverty made them work and earn better than they would ever do in Bihar. We know of overflowing Shramik Expresses etc. The compulsion of influx of Biharis has changed the demographics of these towns and cities. Over years many Biharis have become Sikhs and adopted Punjabi like all intelligent migrants to integrate well.

During this time, the urge to go ‘baahar’ (overseas) became so strong that it became a kind of wave that never weakened and took the form of a compulsive behaviour. From one district in Jalandhar where every home had a person who had gone to England, Canada, or smuggled into Europe; this rage struck entire Punjab. An NRI in shiny clothes and jackets boasting about his life (no matter, he would be doing some menial job there) would attract more. To give an instance, a cousin of mine got married to a girl from neighbouring village (in Punjab) in Canada 18 years back. There were 13 boys and girls in the wedding from our village that has a population of a few thousands! This craze has gone to such an extent that lands are sold or mortgaged and loans taken somehow to escape the dreary life of Punjab. I know of cases where some returned as they couldn’t settle there or were sent back, caught by immigration authorities, ending up in broken families, druggies or committing suicide. Embarrassing stories of girls marrying old men and vice a versa, boys marrying ‘mems’ (local white women) to ‘settle’ there and divorce them later are common. There are enough stories of cheating in NRI weddings, for which a law had to be enacted.

Once joyful, abusively humorous villages and towns have become greying dull places. Youthful verve is missing. I have seen Moga since my childhood. I have stayed there with my close relatives. A mandi having turnover of hundreds of crores has seen no improvement in quality of life. It is stuck in time warp with more and more narrow lanes, cheek by jowl homes and bad roads. If you enter the mandi, you are stuck by never changing environment in decades. So, where are the ‘mandi fee’ and other charges going? Same can be said of other mandis too. Where is infrastructure? Why grains rot in the open for decades? Where are warehouses and cold storages?

On one side there is a huge social issue that nearly every young boy or girl wants to go ‘baahar’ at huge social and economic cost. My nephew, a young headmaster, tells despairingly that even top scorers in high school show no inclination to stay in Punjab for higher education and work in governance or create enterprise. The most productive farmlands near cities and towns are being converted to ‘Banquet halls’, restaurants, showrooms etc as it is more lucrative and involves no back breaking work. Many are owned by NRIs who have lands but have no use for them. On the other side are the worsening farm conditions. Though there has been lot of talk of ‘Udta Punjab’ during elections, no ruling party ever tried to destroy the mafia running these drug rings. It is destroying youth who fail to escape Punjab. There is bigger critical issue of thousands of farmers suffering from cancer and other deadly diseases due to excessive spraying of pesticides. There are cancer trains running from Bhatinda to Bikaner regularly. No politicians worth his/her salt has talked about it or tried to find a solution. Forget solution, why should a rich state not create health facilities so its citizens don’t have to go all the way to Rajasthan to get cured?

It is acknowledged now that the crops being sown in Punjab are not suitable for its soil. Excess use of water, fertilisers and pesticides are turning them into saline lands. While our Punjabi farmers in California have gone for drip irrigation, their families here don’t. Probably because water is free. To farming productive more of chemicals are being used. It’s a vicious downward spiral. Has any politicians or farmer agitating in Delhi talked about it or tried to find solution? Introduction of contract farming was done in Punjab much earlier than other states. It was an attempt to find the solution to obvious downward trend in farm incomes.

Therefore, suppose Modi ji repeals the Farms Bills, will it solve Punjab’s problems? Obviously, the farm bill has taken into account all these social and economic issues and it is a bold move to break away from this vicious cycle. We can’t change the situation by repeating old ideas. But, if we feel insecure with changes and wish to stick to old socialist dogmas, what solutions do the critics have to offer to the real problems of Punjab? Farm Bills are a wake up call for the people of Punjab. Societies thrive that adopt to change, those who refuse to rise to challenges, decay. Will our Punjab leaders recognise the degeneration of once truly hansta-khelta Punjab, arrest its decline and bring those joyous laughters back?






Sandeep, Going back from the first post is the trifecta of cheap and plentiful Farm Inputs, MSP, and mandi ecosytem an economical drug system?

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Re: Social Problems in Panjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby sanjaykumar » 23 Dec 2020 04:18

There is not a word here that is unknown to the good farmers. They even know who profits from the alcohol and drugs industry in Punjab.

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Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby Rony » 23 Dec 2020 20:17

Indication of changing demographics in Punjab ?


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Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby vimal » 30 Jan 2021 03:04

Punjab’s arhtiyas: sins of commission
Commission agents (arhtiyas) are a powerful lobby in the state’s agriculture and politics. Attempts to resolve Punjab’s agrarian crisis without breaking their grip on the farmer will not succeed


https://ruralindiaonline.org/en/article ... ommission/

“There is no such thing as a crisis in agriculture.”

Meet Darshan Singh Sanghera, vice president of Punjab’s powerful Arhtiyas Association. And boss of its Barnala district chapter. Arhtiyas are commission agents, a link between farmers and buyers of their produce. They arrange for the auction and delivery of harvested crop to the buyers. They are also moneylenders with a long history in that trade. In recent years, they’ve emerged as input dealers as well. All of which means they wield great control over farmers in this state.

The arhtiyas are also politically powerful. They count members of the legislative assembly amongst their brethren. In July last year, they honoured Chief Minister Amarinder Singh with the title of ‘Fakhr-e-Quam’ (‘Pride of the Community’). Local media termed the event “a mega felicitation function.” It came soon after the chief minister had said it would be difficult to waive off the debt owed by farmers to the arhtiyas.

As many as 86 per cent of farmer and 80 per cent of agricultural labour households are mired in debt, says a study on Indebtedness among Farmers and Agricultural Labourers in Rural Punjab. Its authors, researchers at Punjabi University, Patiala, say over a fifth of that debt was owed to commission agents and moneylenders. What’s more, the debt burden gets worse down the scale. It’s heaviest amongst marginal and small farmers. The study covered 1007 farmer and 301 agricultural labour households. Its field surveys in 2014-15 were spread across all regions of the state. Other studies too speak of deepening debt and mounting misery.

Darshan Singh Sanghera dismisses agrarian distress as “all due to the spending habits of the farmer. That is what lands them in trouble,” he says firmly. “We help them with money to buy inputs. Also, when they have weddings, medical and other expenses. When the farmer’s harvest is ready, he brings it and gives it to an ahrtiya. We clean the crop, bag it, deal with the government, the banks, the market.” The government pays the agents 2.5 per cent of the value of total procurement of wheat and paddy. The official side of their activity is governed by the Punjab State Agricultural Marketing Board. The farmers receive their payment through these commission agents. And all this is apart from the income the arhtiyas derive from moneylending.

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Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact

Postby ramana » 01 Feb 2021 20:26

One of our quiet members is working on the pattern of Normatizing in Punjab over the long centuries.


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