Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2016

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sanjaykumar wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... ego-garcia


It is a scandal stretching across six decades: the forced removal of hundreds of native people from a British overseas territory to make way for a US military base. That Diego Garcia, the main island in the Chagos archipelago – seven atolls in the Indian Ocean – has played a part in the CIA’s torture programme has only added to Britain’s sense of shame.


Testimony on the UK Chagos Support Association website paints a vivid picture of what happened to those forcibly exiled to Mauritius. “Most of us were very sick from the trip,” one Chagossian recalled. “Many children died a few days after we reached Mauritius. We had no alternative but to beg and live outdoors. Some of us begged refuge at the place of people who would employ them, others were lucky to have relatives, but soon were forced to leave.”


“All of the obstacles have been pretty much resolved,” said Stefan Donnelly, interim chairman of the UK Chagos Support Association. “There is a real opportunity for the government to resolve this national disgrace.


Patting oneself on the back; sometimes one's prejudices do get in the way.
It is a prejudice that queenistanis earned with centuries of hard depredation, it is my proud mission to see that they get maximum return on that investment.

But you keep right on, I always find it fascinating when supposed Indians bend over backwards to ensure fair play for our former overlords.
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/1041543/arm ... -security/

Real Shareef, US envoy discuss regional security
Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif discussed overall regional security situation with greater reference to Afghanistan in a meeting with US special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard G Olson.Ambassador Olson called on the army chief at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi on Saturday where matters related to regional security came under discussion, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said in a statement.The visiting ambassador has appreciated the efforts of Pakistan in fighting against terrorism.On February 4, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and the army chief discussed the role of hostile foreign intelligence agencies and their collaborators in fomenting instability in the country.“The role of hostile [foreign] intelligence agencies and their collaborators in fomenting instability in Pakistan and undermining Pakistan’s interests was discussed in detail,” the statement said.It added that management of Pak-Afghan border including way forward was also discussed during the meeting.
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Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad. (NYT Link below)

"Even knowing this, it might come as a surprise that the region’s triumvirate of violent jihad is living openly in Pakistan.

First, there’s Sirajuddin Haqqani, the leader of the Haqqani network, and second in command of the Taliban. He moves freely around Pakistan, and has even visited the Pakistani intelligence headquarters of the Afghan campaign in Rawalpindi.

Then there is the new leader of the Taliban, Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, who has openly assembled meetings of his military and leadership council near the Pakistani town of Quetta. Since he came to power last year, the Taliban has mounted some of its most ambitious offensives into Afghanistan, overrunning the northern town of Kunduz, and pushing to seize control of the opium-rich province of Helmand.

Finally, Al Qaeda’s leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, enjoys sanctuary in Pakistan — one recent report placed him in the southwestern corner of Baluchistan. He has been working to establish training camps in southern Afghanistan. In October, it took United States Special Operations forces several days of fighting and airstrikes to clear those camps. American commanders say the group they were fighting was Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, a new franchise announced by Mr. Zawahri that has claimed responsibility for the killings of bloggers and activists in Karachi and Bangladesh, among other attacks."

Of course, no mention of Saeed Hafeez.

"But the militants were tipped off early, and hundreds escaped, tribesmen and Taliban fighters said."

"Perhaps most troubling, there are reports that Pakistan had a role in the rise of the Islamic State."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opini ... .html?_r=0

The NYT editorial board is going to do an equal equal soon.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/opin ... board.html

Mira Kamdar is going to start the conga line of Manu Joseph, Pankaj Misra, Baharat Peer, Zahir Jan Mohamed.

The paki penetration of influencers in the US is quite incredible.
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But you keep right on, I always find it fascinating when supposed Indians bend over backwards to ensure fair play for our former overlords.



I think you are conflating two entirely different matters.

Diego Garcia may make a good case study in Christian ethics. Is there a Masters program or even a newspaper willing to devote a few lines to this, in India. We are here concerned about British reportage. Ironic when Brits seem to be more solicitous of Chagossian welfare than any Indian media. Who indeed is colonised?
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Pakistan to insist on Kashmir as main course on dialogue table - Sachin Parashar, ToI
Islamabad is looking to raise the ante on Kashmir as India and Pakistan seek a mutually convenient date for foreign secretary-level dialogue which is meant to launch the recently announced comprehensive bilateral dialogue (CBD) process. Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif's adviser on foreign affairs Sartaj Aziz said on Saturday that Kashmir was going to top the agenda for talks, expected to begin with foreign secretary S Jaishankar's visit to Islamabad soon.

On 'Kashmir Solidarity Day', which fell on Friday, Sharif himself had reiterated that development and peace in South Asia would not be possible until the Kashmir issue was resolved. Aziz was on Saturday quoted by Radio Pakistan as having said that Islamabad was urging the international community to fulfil its responsibility towards implementation of the UN resolutions on Kashmir. {These are regular statements coming from Pakistan now and then, especially around the Kashmir Solidarity Day. The report, supposedly by a National Assembly Panel, that GoP should not encourage armed militancy in Kashmir is a facade, IMO. In fact, it may even be a planted story to create a favourable impression in India and among 'international community' to nudge India into talks}

Pakistan seems to have made up its mind, as sources in Islamabad said, that no progress in bilateral ties is possible until the comprehensive dialogue to discuss outstanding issues, most notably J&K, is held. Pakistan is clearly not inclined to have a meeting between the national security advisers, even a clandestine one, until the foreign secretaries meet.

'India will continue to engage with Pak'


Pakistan's focus on Kashmir has made it important for India to ensure that the comprehensive bilateral dialogue (CBD) {Oh, that's the new name for the ongoing engagement?} itself is not seen as a trade-off for Islamabad's commitment to address the issue of India-specific terror in the NSA dialogue. While the government still believes that talks and terror can't go hand in hand, it has also said that it will go ahead with talks on terror.{The whole approach, it appears to me, is to have two parallel talks, one on terror between the two NSAs and the other on rest of the areas between the foreign secretaries. This will effectively de-link terror from talks.} It will need more than just semantics though to convince all that the primacy of the issue of terrorism has not been diluted in the re-engagement with Pakistan.

Foreign secretary S Jaishankar has already said New Delhi will continue to engage with Pakistan as that's how India can ensure that Pakistan keeps its commitment to act against terror targeted at India. While India and Pakistan had decided, before Pathankot attack happened, that the issue of terrorism would be addressed by the NSAs, government sources said Jaishankar would look to emphasise upon Pakistan the need to act further on the "actionable" leads provided by India in the airbase attack case. "Counter terrorism is very much a part of the CBD too and as significant as any other issue mentioned in the Islamabad (where the resumption of dialogue was announced on December 9) statement including J&K; it's not that only NSAs can discuss terror," said a source.

Unfortunately for India, just as it looked to break free from the vice-like grip which the Mumbai attacks seemed to have on bilateral ties, the attack on Pathankot airbase happened. The Pathankot attack, in fact, has again brought to the fore the need for India to keep insisting that the ongoing trial of the Mumbai accused, including mastermind Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi, is brought to its logical conclusion as soon as possible {The logical conclusion is already arrived at, namely there is no evidence to link the seven accused to 26/11 and proof supplied by India are not enough. Only physical conclusion is pending in the Pakistani court of law. Where is the problem for India in this?}. As the MEA said recently, the Mumbai attacks remain a test of Pakistan's commitment to act against terror groups targeting India.
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Peregrine wrote:Bike-borne suicide bomber kills 8 in Pakistan
QUETTA: Police say a suicide bomber riding on a bicycle has targeted a vehicle carrying security forces in southwestern Pakistan, killing at least eight people and wounding more than 20.
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And so yet again a demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan sees the ununiformed jihadi’s of the Pakistani Taliban take on the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
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‘There is a kind of deep state in India’ - The Hindu
Steve Coll, one of the foremost foreign correspondents and investigative reporters from the U.S., has won the Pulitzer Prize twice. He is a staff writer at The New Yorker magazine and the Dean of the Columbia Journalism School. He is the author of Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 (2004), The Bin Ladens: An Arabian Family in the American Century (2008) and Private Empire: ExxonMobil and American Power (2012). Before all that he wrote On the Grand Trunk Road: A Journey into South Asia (1994), a mixture of top-notch reporting and analysis based on his time as the Washington Post Bureau Chief for South Asia based in New Delhi. On a recent visit to India, Mr. Coll revisited the book and talked about India’s past, present and future.
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Q: Do you think the BJP can make significant changes via-a-vis its policy towards its neighbours or is there some secret state within India that controls everything from behind and the political actors at the front keep changing?

A: Well, there is a kind of deep state in India but it is really more the Indian foreign service than it is the intelligence agencies or the military. I think there is a lot of complexity in the Indian foreign policymaking system. In that way, similar to the U.S., you have a lot of constituencies around the decisions. My own thinking is that Pakistani nationalism will always require hedging about India; it will always require a relationship with China as a counter to the threat of Indian invasion, or destruction of the Pakistani state. In a strategic sense, having a relationship with China is always going to make sense to Pakistan. But it needs to change in order for India and Pakistan to realise their potential even in that framework for civilian leadership to emerge in Pakistan finally, as happened in Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, Turkey. You have countries with long periods of military rule but eventually because of internal forces and external forces, it flips, and you get genuine or at least a substantial civilian control over the military. It doesn’t usually lead to sharp departures in foreign policy but it leads to significant ones. In the case of India and Pakistan, if you had civilian leadership in Pakistan that truly had control of the activities of the military and intelligence services, you could imagine a much more normal balancing policy and politics that didn’t involve proxy groups and violence and your relationship with Pakistan and China could evolve.

Q: The government in India is run by a right-wing political party, which has promised to people in the past that if it comes to power, it would retaliate against Pakistan. Do you see a BJP-led India heading towards war in the future?

A: I think there are two things — one is the fever about retaliation and the frustrations that people generally have with the persistence of terrorism, especially coming out of groups the Pakistani state may or may not control but is often collaborating with. The second thing, some of it is media age… there is just enough potential for escalation because of the persistence of these groups and because of the politics in India that requires some response depending on the scale of the attack {Wow, retaliating for terrorism is politics?}. I am sure this government will figure out some kind of symbolic response. If you had a Mumbai or something like that, then it would be a completely different scale. Because deterrence makes land invasion impossible because of the last two big crises — the Parliament attack and the mobilisation it followed — the establishment knows that mobilising for a land war that it’s not going to fight is not a very smart strategy. But they haven’t had the military capability to do something lighter but effective. I think over 20 years, the kinds of territorial responses you would expect to see will be the kinds the Americans have in such a situation, some kind of Special Forces helicopter raid against the headquarters of Jaish-e-Mohammed or Lashkar-e-Taiba, try to make some arrests, pull the guys away in helicopters, maybe some targeted drone strikes, that sort of thing, and challenge Pakistan… we have been asking you do this for so long and we had no choice but to defend our people by taking these measures. Americans have already established that model but the problem is that it has turned into a public relations disaster. I imagine India will develop that kind of multifaceted capacity because that’s how this challenge of semi-state-sponsored jihadi terrorism will present itself probably for 20 or 30 years.
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sanjaykumar wrote:But you keep right on, I always find it fascinating when supposed Indians bend over backwards to ensure fair play for our former overlords.



I think you are conflating two entirely different matters.

Diego Garcia may make a good case study in Christian ethics. Is there a Masters program or even a newspaper willing to devote a few lines to this, in India. We are here concerned about British reportage. Ironic when Brits seem to be more solicitous of Chagossian welfare than any Indian media. Who indeed is colonised?
Got it. British good. Indians bad. I think. Because I can't really tell, with all those big-big words you are firing in your fight for blighty.

I understand when you use the word Masters. Totally. British are your masters. I get it. And I understand solictous. They are like vakils of queenistan, eh? They take your money, put on a burkha and do bakwas, no?

But what means "conflating", saar? Is it something like a condiment you put on natives after you flatten them and make word-chutney out of the remains? Must be yummy.

[ducking for cover from OT bobbies with civilized values ]
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Only in Pakistan the PM-COAS meeting requires this kind of Editorial !

PM-COAS meeting - Edit, DT
Prime Minister (PM) Nawaz Sharif and Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif attended a high-level meeting at the headquarters of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). According to an Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) press release, during the meeting “the entire internal and external threat spectrum, including terrorist networks and their linkages” were reviewed. In particular, the focus was on the “role of hostile [foreign] intelligence agencies and their collaborators in fomenting instability in Pakistan and undermining Pakistan’s interests”. The COAS posited his conviction about the nature of terrorism in Pakistan, according to which the terrorists receive their funding from external sources while being facilitated by elements within the country. To combat the latter, the army chief emphasised the need to continue intelligence-based operations across the country to “consolidate gains from Operataion Zarb-e-Azb” in order to ensure lasting peace. Other topics that were discussed included the management of the porous Pakistan-Afghanistan border, which is identified as a major impediment to the effectiveness of the fight against terrorism as militants evade security forces by slipping across the border. The PM, for his part, was vociferous in his praise of the country’s army and intelligence agency. Praising what he deemed to a noticeable change in the security environment of the country due to the success of Zarb-e-Azb, he stated the government and the nation stood behind its armed forces in the fight against militancy.

Undoubtedly, the much vaunted ISI is a formidable organisation. Another undeniable fact is the manifest success brought about by Operation Zarb-e-Azb, due to which the last major stronghold of extremists within Pakistan located in North Wazirstan has been erased. Perhaps the claim that intelligence agencies across the world hatch schemes and clandestinely meddle in the internal affairs of other countries can be regarded as something of a universal truth. However, we must caution against overemphasising any of the aforementioned facts lest it foster a detrimental lack of critical reflection, complacency and paranoia. Let us not blind ourselves to the reality where most of our problems with militancy originate in the highly flawed policies pursued by the state in the past. The fact remains that Pakistan’s preferred mode of power projection has been its reliance on proxies. What we are dealing with now is a case of the chickens coming home to roost. Zarb-e-Azb has achieved many things, but it has not yet completely eliminated the terrorists. We must not allow complacency to creep in due to overzealous celebrations. The onus is on Pakistan’s security forces, including the ISI, to carry out the difficult, protracted task of rooting out networks and cells of home-grown terrorists. *
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SSridhar wrote:Only in Pakistan the PM-COAS meeting requires this kind of Editorial !

PM-COAS meeting - Edit, DT

Undoubtedly, the much vaunted ISI is a formidable organisation. Another undeniable fact is the manifest success brought about by Operation Zarb-e-Azb, due to which the last major stronghold of extremists within Pakistan located in North Wazirstan has been erased. *
The recent attack on Peshawar shows the failure of their Zarb e Azb.

Zarb e Azb is nothing more than an exercise to fool the world that Pakistan is doing something against the rogue elements.

The ISI main task is to be a broker of deals and earn money by sharing inputs on Chinese to Americans and vice versa. And this is one reason, why Russians don't really trust the Pakis. This is how Pakis actually earn money and arms deal. War has slowly become their economy.
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Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad - Carlotta Gall, NYT

Matter of fact, but the most interesting thing is there is absolutely no mention of terrorism against India !
TUNIS — PRESIDENT ASHRAF GHANI of Afghanistan has warned in several recent interviews that unless peace talks with Pakistan and the Taliban produce results in the next few months, his country may not survive 2016. Afghanistan is barely standing, he says, after the Taliban onslaught last year, which led to the highest casualties among civilians and security forces since 2001.

“How much worse will it get?” Mr. Ghani asked in a recent television interview. “It depends on how much regional cooperation we can secure, and how much international mediation and pressure can be exerted to create rules of the game between states.”

What he means is it depends on how much international pressure can be brought to bear on Pakistan to cease its aggression.

Critics of the Afghan leadership say it’s not Pakistan’s fault that its neighbor is falling apart. They point to the many internal failings of the Afghan government: political divisions, weak institutions, warlords and corruption.

But experts have found a lot of evidence that Pakistan facilitated the Taliban offensive. The United States and China have been asking Pakistan to persuade the Taliban to make peace, but Afghanistan argues that Islamabad has done nothing to rein in the Taliban, and if anything has encouraged it to raise the stakes in hopes of gaining influence in any power-sharing agreement.

This behavior is not just an issue for Afghanistan. Pakistan is intervening in a number of foreign conflicts. Its intelligence service has long acted as the manager of international mujahedeen forces, many of them Sunni extremists, and there is even speculation that it may have been involved in the rise of the Islamic State.

The latest Taliban offensive began in 2014. United States and NATO forces were winding down their operations in Afghanistan and preparing to withdraw when Pakistan decided, after years of prevarication, to clear Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters from their sanctuary in Pakistan’s tribal area of North Waziristan.

The operation was certainly a serious endeavor — Taliban bases, torture chambers and ammunition dumps were busted, town bazaars were razed and over one million civilians were displaced.

But the militants were tipped off early [of Zerb-e-Azb], and hundreds escaped, tribesmen and Taliban fighters said. Many fled over the border to Afghanistan, just at the vulnerable moment when Afghanistan was assuming responsibility for its own security. Ninety foreign fighters with their families arrived in Paktika Province that summer, to the alarm of Afghan officials.

Further along the border in Paktika Province, Taliban fighters occupied abandoned C.I.A. bases and outposts.
A legislator from the region warned me that they would use the positions to project attacks deeper into Afghanistan and even up to Kabul. Some of the most devastating suicide bomb attacks occurred in that province in the months that followed.

Meanwhile, in Pakistan, the Haqqani network, the most potent branch of the Taliban, moved from North Waziristan into the adjacent district of Kurram. From there it continues to enjoy safe haven and conduct its insurgency against American, international and Afghan targets.

Pakistan regards Afghanistan as its backyard. Determined not to let its archrival, India, gain influence there, and to ensure that Afghanistan remains in the Sunni Islamist camp, Pakistan has used the Taliban selectively, promoting those who further its agenda and cracking down on those who don’t. The same goes for Al Qaeda and other foreign fighters.

Even knowing this, it might come as a surprise that the region’s triumvirate of violent jihad is living openly in Pakistan.

First, there’s Sirajuddin Haqqani, the leader of the Haqqani network, and second in command of the Taliban. He moves freely around Pakistan, and has even visited the Pakistani intelligence headquarters of the Afghan campaign in Rawalpindi.

Then there is the new leader of the Taliban, Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, who has openly assembled meetings of his military and leadership council near the Pakistani town of Quetta. Since he came to power last year, the Taliban has mounted some of its most ambitious offensives into Afghanistan, overrunning the northern town of Kunduz, and pushing to seize control of the opium-rich province of Helmand.

Finally, Al Qaeda’s leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, enjoys sanctuary in Pakistan — one recent report placed him in the southwestern corner of Baluchistan. He has been working to establish training camps in southern Afghanistan. In October, it took United States Special Operations forces several days of fighting and airstrikes to clear those camps. American commanders say the group they were fighting was Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, a new franchise announced by Mr. Zawahri that has claimed responsibility for the killings of bloggers and activists in Karachi and Bangladesh, among other attacks.

Pakistan denies harboring the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and points out that it, too, is a victim of terrorism. But many analysts have detailed how the military has nurtured Islamist militant groups as an instrument to suppress nationalist movements, in particular among the Pashtun minority, at home and abroad.

Perhaps most troubling, there are reports that Pakistan had a role in the rise of the Islamic State.

Ahead of Pakistan’s 2014 operation in North Waziristan, scores, even hundreds, of foreign fighters left the tribal areas to fight against President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Tribesmen and Taliban members from the area say fighters traveled to Quetta, and then flew to Qatar. There they received new passports and passage to Turkey, from where they could cross into Syria. Others traveled overland along well-worn smuggling routes from Pakistan through Iran and Iraq.

The fighters arrived just in time to boost the sweeping offensive by ISIS into Iraq and the creation of the Islamic State in the summer of 2014.

If these accounts are correct, Pakistan was cooperating with Qatar, and perhaps others, to move international Sunni jihadists (including 300 Pakistanis) from Pakistan’s tribal areas, where they were no longer needed, to new battlefields in Syria. It is just another reminder of Pakistan’s central involvement in creating and managing violent jihadist groups, one Pakistani politician, who spoke on the condition of anonymity when talking about intelligence affairs, told me.

This has been going on for more than 30 years. In 1990, I shared a bus ride with young Chinese Uighurs, Muslims from China’s restive northwest, who had spent months training in Pakistani madrasas, including a brief foray into Afghanistan to get a taste of battle. They were returning home, furnished with brand-new Pakistani passports, a gift of citizenship often offered to those who join the jihad.

Years later, just after Osama bin Laden was found and killed in Pakistan, I interviewed a guerrilla commander from the disputed region of Kashmir who had spent 15 years on the Pakistani military payroll, traveling to train and assist insurgents in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir and Afghanistan.

In 2012 I came across several cases where young clerics, fresh graduates from the Haqqania madrasa {headed by Maulana Sami-ul-Haq also known by the colourful moniker of Mullah Sandwich} in Pakistan, returned to their home villages in Afghanistan, flush with cash, and set about running mosques and recruiting and organizing a band of Taliban followers.

I visited that madrasa in 2013. It is the alma mater of the Afghan Taliban, where many of the leaders of the movement were trained. The clerics there remained adamant in their support for the Taliban. “It is a political fact that one day the Taliban will take power,” Syed Yousuf Shah, the madrasa spokesman, told me. “We are experts on the Taliban,” he said, and a majority of the Afghan people “still support them.”

The madrasa, a longtime instrument of Pakistani intelligence {In fact, just before 9/11 happened in circa 2001, the extremist Dar-ul-Uloom Haqqania madrassah in Peshawar organized a meeting which was attended, among others, by Gen. Hamid Gul, former DG of ISI and Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg, former COAS, wherein a declaration was made to defend Osama bin Laden and attack the Western countries as a sacred duty of Muslims}, has been training people from the ethnic minorities of northern Afghanistan alongside its standard clientele of Pashtuns. The aim is still to win control of northern Afghanistan through these young graduates. From there they have their eyes on Central Asia and western China. Pakistani clerics are educating and radicalizing Chinese Uighurs as well, along with Central Asians from the former Soviet republics.

No one has held Pakistan to account for this behavior.
Why would Pakistan give it up now?
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NYTs India phobia is incredible.. they are hinduphobes through and thorugh...and in this day and age, being so openly racist takes some doing.
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Army seeks Demands funds from finance ministry to raise new security division
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Army has sought additional funds from the finance ministry to raise a new security division and an additional 28 security battalions, it emerged on Sunday.
A statement released by the ministry of finance said senior officials from the army had a meeting with Finance Minister Ishaq Dar at his ministry in Islamabad, where the demand for “financing and the release of funds” was made by military officials.
(so, the Deep State is bypassing the National Assembly, where embarrassing questions would be posed to them to justify the increase :mrgreen: )
The statement quoted Dar as saying that the “government attaches the highest importance to security matters” and assured the “provision of funds for the new security division and additional battalions.” :((
In June 2014, the army launched a comprehensive military operation – Zarb-i-Azb – against Taliban militants threatening the writ of the state by launching brazen attacks on government and military installations.
Since then, the military has claimed(but no evidence is made available, instead innocent families become "collateral damage", as they say ) to kill thousands of militants in air raids in the north and through intelligence-based operations in various parts of the country.
But the threat of militancy and extremism is far from from over. Despite the military offensive and stringent counter-terror measures, Taliban terrorists managed to breach the security of a university in Charsadda last month, killing 21 students and professors in an attack that bore resemblance to the brazen Dec 2014 assault on an army-run school in Peshawar that killed 144.
Not to forget, that a similar "demand/request" may have been put to Massa, on the pretext of "funds are needed to take on the terrorists". And a similar request to Chini-blothers to "provide security" for the CPEC corridor, may have been rejected by the "taller than mountain fliends", as the Chini are too smart to fall for such gimmicks for this almost bankrupt artificial entity :mrgreen:
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I am disappointed that the mard-e-momin 1:10 martial race TFTA Pakistanis could do very little against baniya, SDRE, small-hearted Indians in the on-going South Asian Games. Saw weight lifting in the morning and the Indian lifted more than the Pakistani to get a gold medal and promptly dedicated it to his mother. What a shame for the Pakistani!

Now, this report on wrestling. India makes a clean sweep in wrestling
Guwahati: India made a clean sweep of the gold medals on offer on the opening day of the wrestling competition here at the DTRP Indoor Stadium on Saturday.

Rajneesh and the young Ravinder dominated their Pakistani opponents in the final to get both the men’s gold in the 57 and 65kg categories while Priyanka Singh, Archana and Manisha triumphed in the women’s 48kg, 55kg and 60kg category making India’s supremacy complete.

India fielded the runners-up of the recent Nationals held in Delhi and despite that reaped picked up all the gold as the opposition failed to provide enough challenge to test their mettle.

The best came from young Ravinder who beat Mohammad Bilal of Pakistan 5-0 in the final. The 18-year-old gave the Pakistani no chance in the gold medal clash.

The Indian earned points in both the rounds despite his opponent coming hard at him.
Ravinder, who had previously won the Asian cadet championship bronze, said the win strengthened his resolve to make the Olympic qualification, which will take place in Kazakhstan during March.

Rajneesh proved too good for Mohammad Nadar of Pakistan in the men’s 65kg final. He had his opponent on the mat in the very first round and the bout was stopped when he was ahead 11-0 and the Indian declared winner on technical superiority. {AoA. What is this? Sharm, sharm}

The women too impressed with Priyanka, Archana and Manisha runaway winners in a restricted field and against seemingly weak opponents {Of course, Pakistan cannot send a woman's wrestling team. Even if it had, the result would not have been any different}.
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And, to add to Pakistan's cup of woes, it lost the case against its exclusive claim for GI tag for Basmati rice in the Intellectual Property Appellate Board, Chennai.

Pak loses Geographical Indication bid for Basmati rice before Chennai appellate - ToI
Chennai: Pakistan has lost ts battle to obtain the prestigious Geographical Indication (GI) tag for basmati rice, owing to its failure to play by mandatory rules.

Lahore-based Basmati Growers Association (BGA) had moved Intellectual Property Appellate Board here, challenging the Agricultural and Processed Food Products Export Development Authority's (APEDA) application seeking GI tag for basmati rice cultivated in seven states — Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Utarakhand, Haryana, Punjab and J&K — in India.

More importantly, BGA opposed grant of GI tag basmati to India "in totality". It argued that the assistant registrar of GI in Chennai had "gravely erred that rice produced in area region of Madhya Pradesh, or for that matter any part of India can bear the basmati tag", the appeal added. On Friday , however, IPAB rejected the arguments saying BGA had "miserably failed" to comply with the rules.

After APEDA's application was advertised in the GI journal in May 2010, BGA served it a notice. Even though it received a counteraffidavit to its notice and in spite of two extensions, BGA failed to provide evidence supporting its opposition — within the prescribed time and format -under the Geographical Indications of Goods (Registration and Protection) Act, 1999. So the registry rejected the opposition as `abandoned' on December 31, 2013, IPR attorney P Sanjai Gandhi said.

BGA moved IPAB, challenging the registry's order BGA's counsel said the asso ciation filed its evidence "diligently" and it was APEDA that countered with missing documents.

Underlining the requirement for strict compliance of rules, APEDA's counsel said BGA's "explanation was an afterthought and an excuse to cover up gross negligence." A bench of chair man Justice K N Basha and technical member (trade marks) Sanjeev Kumar Chaswal said there was no explanation to justify the delay for filing its evidence.
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Clinton emails suggest US examines Pakistani media closely
Hassan Belal Zaidi — Updated about 9 hours ago
SLAMABAD: “I get these reports every morning. They are somewhat painful to read since, as you know, in Pakistan, the media can be particularly outrageous. However, we can’t ignore the fact that these talk shows are the most watched programming,” former US undersecretary of state Judith McHale wrote in an email to Hillary Clinton in Feb 2010.
The reports she refers to are exhaustive summaries of Pakistani primetime talk shows that log the discussion on various local TV shows on a daily basis. The media summaries, which regularly arrive in the email inboxes of US embassy employees or State Department officials in Washington, appear repeatedly in the US presidential candidate’s recently declassified emails, most frequently between 2009 and 2012.
So, this presidential contender, as her opponents contend, had installed a "private server" in the basement of her house, to redirect State Dept -E mail/electronic - traffic direct to her personally, instead of through official channels; wonder, if her trusted aide, the Paki mole, Huma Abedin, was in on this deception :mrgreen:
The emails offer a rare insight into Washington’s engagement with Islamabad through the lens of the local media. In background discussions with Dawn, current and former embassy officials admitted that journalists and media were the primary sources of information for many officials who came to Pakistan.
Michael Kugelman from the Woodrow Wilson Centre explained that the importance Washington placed on Pakistani media could be gauged from the fact that the embassy in Islamabad actually started issuing official statements meant to “correct the record” when `false or misleading’ claims were made in media about the US or its policies.
as in the Raymond Davis and the OBL raid episodes
For example, a series of emails exchanged between State Department officials in April 2010 expressed frustration with former ISI chief Hamid Gul’s allegations that the US is implicated in the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.
The exchange notes that Mr Gul was one of the people named by Ms Bhutto as possible ‘threats to her security’ in a letter sent to Gen Musharraf before she came to Pakistan. This factoid, the emails indicate, was shared with Pakistani media outlets, and at least one of whom aired it within an hour of it being sent out.
Christopher Snipes, spokesperson for the US embassy in Islamabad, told Dawn: “One of the best ways to understand [Pakistan] is to read the news from a variety of sources and in a variety of languages.”
He said that all US embassies looked at media in the language of the country they were in to keep “well-informed on current events”. In Pakistan, he said, “there are more newspapers circulated in Urdu than in English and most television news is broadcast in Urdu; we read the Urdu press and watch Urdu television news alongside the English media.”
But the analysis contained in the emails goes deeper than just understanding cultural context. A special analysis of Pakistani media from May 2, 2011 – the day Osama bin Laden was found and killed in Abbottabad – notes that while “no outlets openly expressed sympathy for Bin Laden”, two TV show hosts used the word ‘shaheed’ (martyr) to describe him. The report also goes on to gauge the overall slant of media coverage over the Abbottabad raid, but notes that the “tone and tenor [of the coverage] remains relatively positive”. (should also be noted that any kind of "objective reporting" by a media house, would invite the wrath of the Aam Abduls,at the instigation of the ISI, resulting in ransacking, looting and killing of innocent lives :mrgreen: )
However, in more recent years, Mr Kugelman says, the US has become increasingly interested in social media in Pakistan, mostly because of its significant demographics: the urban, English-speaking, tech-savvy middle and upper classes.
“You can be sure that Washington also keeps a tab on how Pakistani militant groups use social media – which is rooted in Washington’s broader recognition that terror groups around the world, led by IS (militant Islamic State group), see social media as a highly strategic tool for recruitment.”
And not to forget, that those journos toeing the US line in their reporting are "rewarded" "with an all expense paid trip" to Massaland, where Disneyworld, Disneyland, Grand Canyon, and other wonders are" compulsory" features :mrgreen:
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SSridhar wrote:I am disappointed that the mard-e-momin 1:10 martial race TFTA Pakistanis could do very little against baniya, SDRE, small-hearted Indians in the on-going South Asian Games. Saw weight lifting in the morning and the Indian lifted more than the Pakistani to get a gold medal and promptly dedicated it to his mother. What a shame for the Pakistani!
Pakis, the self-proclaimed leader against Indian hegemony in south-asia Indian sub-continent is languishing at the bottom.

One gold medal would make Nepal go ahead of pakis.

India got more silver medals than total medal tally of pakis :rotfl:

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Guys, in the past, I have had a fairly warm e-mail conversation with Carlotta Gall who tells it about TSP the way it ought to, but in today's NYT article on TSP role in international Jihad, I was astonished to see that there was absolutely no mention of India, except allusion to Kashmir as though its a different clountry from India. So I fired off this e-mail and also BCCed a couple of "South Asia" expert honchos.

Dear Ms. Gall

You may remember our correspondence a while back on Pakistan and OBL. I read your excellent article in today's NYT on the role of Pak in international Jihad:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opini ... jihad.html

While its a good analysis, I see that there is no mention at all in your entire article on Paki's sponsorship of terror against India (you do allude briefly to Kashmir as though its a different country from India :-)). Is Pak-sponsored terror and Jihad against India not "International Jihad" or is only terror against the west "international Jihad"? (The Pak terror attack on Mumbai on 11/26/2008 is just one glaring example of many 100s that receive scant attention in the west).

But on the substance of your analysis, let me assure you that your honcho leaders sitting in Washington/London will dismiss you for precisely the reason who don't talk about, namely, Pak's neurotic obsession with India.

Thus, Washington and London will say that their Pakistani clients (the Punjabi-dominated army and ISI that rule the roost) are Gandhian saints or "moderate Muslims" and its only due to their understandable "insecurity" with India that fuels their support of Islamist terror groups. In their diabolical colonial world-view, once "big bad Hindu-nationalist" India hands over on a silver platter everything that Pakistan demands, starting with Kashmir, the world and the region will instantly become a paradise.

Thats why this fraudulent so called "global war on terror" where the biggest terrorist sponsor against India, Pak, is any ally of the powerful west, and Pak's army and ISI are recipients of billions of $s worth military/economic aid, is a failure and Islamist terror still thrives.

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Breakfast high in protein better for kids: Study
But the "Copy And Paste" filler story, from a US study, clearly shows a picture of typical US/ North American breakfast meal: Fried Eggs, Pancake and syrup and BACON (sorry, there is no such "animal" called a "halal bacon" :mrgreen: ).
The question is how, in the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan, such a faux-pas can pass through the ever watchful eye of the censor!!!
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Her Father Shot Her in the Head, as an ‘Honor Killing’
January 30, 2016
Nicholas Kristof

WHETHER it wins or not, the Oscar nominee with the greatest impact — saving lives of perhaps thousands of girls — may be one you’ve never heard of.
It stars not Leonardo DiCaprio but a real-life 19-year-old Pakistani woman named Saba Qaiser. Her odyssey began when she fell in love against her family’s wishes and ran off to marry her boyfriend. Hours after the marriage, her father and uncle sweet-talked her into their car and took her to a spot along a riverbank to murder her for her defiance — an “honor killing.”
First they beat Saba, then her uncle held her as her own father pointed a pistol at her head and pulled the trigger. Blood spewed, Saba collapsed and her father and uncle packed her body into a large sack and threw it into the river to sink. They then drove away, thinking they had restored the family’s good name.
Incredibly, Saba was unconscious but alive. She had jerked her head as the gun went off, and the bullet tore through the left side of her face but didn’t kill her. The river water revived her, and she clawed her way out of the sack and crawled onto land. She staggered toward a gasoline station, and someone called for help.
About every 90 minutes, an honor killing unfolds somewhere in the world, usually in a Muslim country. Pakistan alone has more than 1,000 a year, and the killers often go unpunished.
Watching the documentary about Saba, “A Girl in the River: The Price of Forgiveness,” I kept thinking that just as in the 19th century the central moral challenge for the world was slavery, and in the 20th century it was totalitarianism, in this century the foremost moral issue is the abuse and oppression that is the lot of so many women and girls around the world.
By the way, this journo, Nicholas Kristof is a "great " supporter of everything Paki !
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Falijee wrote:Her Father Shot Her in the Head, as an ‘Honor Killing’

January 30, 2016
Nicholas Kristof

By the way, this journo, Nicholas Kristof is a "great " supporter of everything Paki !
More a condescending twit of the "our (white man's) burden" variety. But like all mainstream "liberals", he will use atrocity literature against "them" to justify US/UK imperialism.
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Kristof is just an out-and-out regressive left supporter of islamists and islam -- all the regressive left liberals take it upon themselves to defend Islam and islamist bigotry, mostly because they will claim anyone who tries to speak against islam is a "racist anti-muslim bigot" and "islam is just like any other religion when it comes to evil doctrines codified at the core of the religion".

NKristof's support for pakiness and pakis is just a symptom of the regressive left ideology (that is intertwined with the feminist and gay movements -- ironic given islams treatment of both these groups is pretty brutal).
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kish wrote:
SSridhar wrote:I am disappointed that the mard-e-momin 1:10 martial race TFTA Pakistanis could do very little against baniya, SDRE, small-hearted Indians in the on-going South Asian Games. Saw weight lifting in the morning and the Indian lifted more than the Pakistani to get a gold medal and promptly dedicated it to his mother. What a shame for the Pakistani!
kish wrote:Pakis, the self-proclaimed leader against Indian hegemony in south-asia Indian sub-continent is languishing at the bottom.

One gold medal would make Nepal go ahead of pakis.

India got more silver medals than total medal tally of pakis :rotfl:

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kish Ji :

The Medal Tally for India is 43 and not 34. Even more "pain" in Cwapistani "butt"

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Peregrine wrote: ...

The Medal Tally for India is 43 and not 34. Even more "pain" in Cwapistani "butt"

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Jealous SDRE kafirs don't realize that Pakistan won the madrasa math Olympiad event handily AoA.
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Cross Posted on the Pakistani Economic Stress Watch Thread
Army seeks funds from finance ministry to raise new security division
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Army has sought additional funds from the finance ministry to raise a new security division and an additional 28 security battalions, it emerged on Sunday.
A statement released by the ministry of finance said senior officials from the army had a meeting with Finance Minister Ishaq Dar at his ministry in Islamabad, where the demand for “financing and the release of funds” was made by military officials.
In Cwapistan DEMANDS are made by MILITARY OFFICIALS
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27 trains to be acquired for metro project
LAHORE: As many as 27 trains will ply the Orange Line Metro Train (OMT) track with an average headway of two minutes, local media quoting sources reported on Friday.

According to reports, 27 train sets, comprising of 135 cars, would be procured at an estimated cost of $1 billion. The project will be funded through a loan provided by China’s Exim Bank. These trains will run on the Orange Line in five-car formation that will include three motorcars and two trailers.
81 Motor Car with 54 Trailer Cars at US$ One Billion is a bit steep. The total amount could not be US$ One Million. Chinese Blothel is then going to lun the Tlains with 17% Gualanteed Plofit - WOW!
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Peregrine wrote: 81 Motor Car with 54 Trailer Cars at US$ One Billion is a bit steep. The total amount could not be US$ One Million. Chinese Blothel is then going to lun the Tlains with 17% Gualanteed Plofit - WOW!
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Not steep sir. This is a special friendship price. Friendship to the Kernail and Jernail retirement funds and funds to relocate to US, UK and Australia. Those do not come cheap.
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Hiranmay Karlekar in the Pioneer. The GOI's policy towards Pak is sadly looking like another rehash of the Cong/UPA policy of appeasement.
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TALKING PEACE: FROM MUMBAI TO PATHANKOT
Saturday, 06 February 2016 | Hiranmay Karlekar |

Any doubt that the Pathankot attack bears the Pakistani military’s imprimatur has been demolished by reports that Pakistan will seek more evidence from India to carry forward its investigation

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif did not air something unimaginable when he said recently that the Pathankot attack of January 2 disturbed the peace process between India and Pakistan that was moving in the right direction. That significant sections in Pakistan’s Army and rogue spy service, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, would do anything to scuttle any peace effort between the two neighbours promising success, is no secret. Any doubt that the Pathankot attack bears their imprimatur has been demolished by reports that Pakistan would seek more evidence from India to carry its investigation into the incident forward. Clearly, a replay of the fraudulent investigations into the 26/11 attack, where the ploy has been shamelessly used, is under way.

The fact is that, in the last analysis, it is the Army that calls the shots in Pakistan. Any Prime Minister, who seeks to pursue a course disapproved by it, ends in the wilderness. The reasons for its refusal to countenance the prospect of peace with India are no secret. First, peace will undermine its claim of being the protector of Pakistan’s safety against India’s ‘designs’, which has been its rationale for its stranglehold on the country’s political life. The loss of this stranglehold may, in turn, eventually put at risk, among other things, the huge financial empire it has built up, an empire whose dimensions have been revealed in detail in Ms Ayesha Siddiqa’s Military Inc.: Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy. This empire, as she shows, is run not in the country’s interest but for the personal benefit of members of its officers’ cadre, particularly those in the higher echelons, and to expand their hold over the country’s political system.

The second reason is the Pakistani military’s bitter and relentless hostility toward India, primarily as a result of the reverses it suffered in the 1947-48 Kashmir War, the wars in 1965 and 1971 and the Kargil War of 1999. It is particularly obsessed with avenging its comprehensive defeat at this country’s hands in 1971 as the final denouement of Bangladesh’s liberation struggle.

The question arises: Why then hold talks? Those favouring a dialogue will argue that it may further show to the international community New Delhi’s commitment to seeking peace with its belligerent neighbour despite the latter’s continuing provocations. Second, detailed and persuasive presentation of evidence during the talks of Islamabad’s involvement in cross-border terrorism against India will have an impact on Pakistan’s public opinion and help in building up a demand for peace. Third, it may one day lead to a situation where the country’s civilian leadership may be able to convince the uniformed services of the need to bury the hatchet in Islamabad’s own interest, particularly if countries like the United States and China join in the process, and if a civil war unleashed by Islamist fundamentalists forces it to abandon its confrontation with India to concentrate solely on fighting the domestic menace.

None of the reasons is particularly convincing. The international community has had enough evidence of Pakistan’s complicity in terror strikes against India, particularly in dastardly attacks like the one that began on 26/11/2008 and the most recent outrage at Pathankot. Yet that has not stanched the flow of aid, and/or military supplies, to Pakistan. The United States has continued to pour money knowing full well that the bulk of it is being used to buy weapons for use against India and not the Pakistani Taliban. The unvarnished reality, repeatedly underlined in history, is that countries will pursue their own interests. They will not protect the meek from being trampled upon nor act against the guilty unless it benefits them to do so. Recall, for a moment, the disgraceful betrayal of Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany in the Munich Agreement of September 1938.

As for public opinion, the surge in the number and militancy of Islamist fundamentalists in Pakistan makes the chances of voices of sanity being heard increasingly slim. The assassinations of Pakistani Punjab’s Home Minister, Shuja Khanzada, in August 2015, of Salman Taseer, Governor of the same Province, and Shahbaz Bhatti, Minister of Minorities in the Federal Government, in January and March, 2011, respectively to say nothing of Benazir Bhutto’s in December 2007 — have sent a chill down the spines of Pakistan’s moderate politicians who are increasingly reticent in their speech.

It is not just politicians. The civil society has been terrorised by murders like those Dr Rubina Khalid, lecturer in radiology in Karachi’s Dow University of Medicine and Professor Khalid Khan of Pakistan’s National University of Modern Languages in Islamabad, in November 2014, of the distinguished Islamic scholar, Professor Shakeel Auj of Karachi University and one of his colleagues, visiting lecturer, Maulana Masood Baig, in September 2014, and Karachi University’s Dean of Medicine, Dr Jawaid Iqbal Qazi, in February of the same year.

The message sent by the torture and murder of Syed Saleem Shahzad, Pakistan’s outspoken journalist, by, according to all indications, the ISI, in May 2011, and the murder of Sabeen Mahmud, Pakistan’s prominent human and women’s rights champion in May 2015 and the attempted murder in April 2014, of Hamid Mir, noted journalist and anchor, who survived with gunshot injuries, is clear: One can only challenge the Army, the ISI and the fundamentalist terrorist organisations at the risk of one’s life. Brave voices are still heard but the number of people prepared to speak out has fallen sharply. In such situation, the argument that a critical public opinion may one day persuade the Army and other hardliners to seek peace with India, can only indicate either unbelievable naivete or abysmal ignorance of the conditions in Pakistan.

India will have to depend on its own military strength in dealing with Pakistan’s unconventional war against it through cross-border terrorism. For this, it needs not only adequate military hardware but an effective strategy, including the launching of unconventional operations that compel Pakistan to abandon its aggression by steeply increasing its cost.

Volunteering to talk in the face of repeated rebuffs, and without Pakistan fulfilling the conditions set by India after an outrage like 26/11 or Pathankot, only suggests New Delhi’s lack of resolve to stick to a hard line. This, in turn, encourages Pakistan to persist with its unconventional war against this country and the West to turn a blind eye to it.
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saip wrote:Airline Misplaces Passengers!

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Why dont they just shut this loss making airline and get done with it.
Shut it? What will we do for airline jokes then, hain ji?
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gautam.sarkar wrote:
Peregrine wrote: 81 Motor Car with 54 Trailer Cars at US$ One Billion is a bit steep. The total amount could not be US$ One Million. Chinese Blothel is then going to lun the Tlains with 17% Gualanteed Plofit - WOW!
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Not steep sir. This is a special friendship price. Friendship to the Kernail and Jernail retirement funds and funds to relocate to US, UK and Australia. Those do not come cheap.
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I was comparing the price with the on-going Chennai metro. 42 train-sets composed of four coaches each (168 coaches in total including motor cars) supplied by Alstom costs Euro 243 Million.
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Peregrine wrote:81 Motor Car with 54 Trailer Cars at US$ One Billion is a bit steep. The total amount could not be US$ One Billion. Chinese Blothel is then going to lun the Tlains with 17% Gualanteed Plofit - WOW!
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gautam.sarkar wrote:Not steep sir. This is a special friendship price. Friendship to the Kernail and Jernail retirement funds and funds to relocate to US, UK and Australia. Those do not come cheap.
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SSridhar wrote:I was comparing the price with the on-going Chennai metro. 42 train-sets composed of four coaches each (168 coaches in total including motor cars) supplied by Alstom costs Euro 243 Million.
SSridhar Ji :

Euros 243 Million @ US$ 1.112 = US$ 272.646 Million. for 168 Coaches where as Pakistan is paying US$ 1,000 Million FOR 135 Coaches.

IOW Cwapistan is paying OVER FOURT IMES the price to Pakistan’s ''Highel than mountains, Deepel than oceans, Strongel than steel, Sweetel than honey and mole Plecious than Eyes'' Fliend.

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Not to forget the key difference of paying 1/4th the price for top quality European coaches compared to the Chinese maal.
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Lethal waters
CONSIDER a couple of unpalatable realities: the amount of solid waste that is dumped or finds its way into the Karachi harbour every day, just from the city, is estimated at some 8,000 tons; moreover, some 350 million gallons of raw sewage and untreated industrial waste flow into the harbour on a daily basis.
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sanjaykumar wrote:KLNMurthy wins by default. I don't do random synaptic transmissions.
No, your specialty is earnest defense of the goodness and fairness of India's queenistani enemies on a forum of bhoot-jalokia chewing Yindoo jingos.

I don't know why, but the image of the fat kid with glasses from Lord of the Flies keeps popping into my head.
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Move away from the mirror.
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Peregrine wrote:[Euros 243 Million @ US$ 1.112 = US$ 272.646 Million. for 168 Coaches where as Pakistan is paying US$ 1,000 Million FOR 135 Coaches.

IOW Cwapistan is paying OVER FOURT IMES the price to Pakistan’s ''Highel than mountains, Deepel than oceans, Strongel than steel, Sweetel than honey and mole Plecious than Eyes'' Fliend.
Chuna-ise will take 25% cash upfront and rest on credit; Risk factor is already calculated in cost by Han Boss.
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sanjaykumar wrote:Move away from the mirror.
Sucks to your ass-mar.

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