Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2016

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 24 Jan 2016 06:08

Link to last post of previous thread

The following links are background material on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://pakistanfailedstate.blogspot.in/

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pak's Continuing War against Indian Civilisation - Tufail Ahmad, Director South Asia Project, MEMRI
http://www.newindianexpress.com/columns ... 949359.ece

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/publications/public ... 6-34.html#

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

A modest proposal from the Brigadier:

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/03/landesman.htm

"We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people......."


Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

Religion as the Foundation of a Nation: The Making and Unmaking of Pakistan - P.K. Upadhyay, IDSA
It probes the religious and sectarian fault-lines in Pakistan in depth to determine their impact on the future of Pakistan.
http://idsa.in/system/files/monograph36.pdf

Ms. Christine Fair's exposition on Pakistan military, society et al. A Must see.
Fighting to the End: Pakistan Army's Way of War

False Equivalency in the "Indo-Pakistan" Dispute - Ms. C. Fair, War on the Rocks, June, 2015

Shia-killing in Pakistan: Background and Predictions - A blog by Omar Ali


PAKISTAN and GENOCIDE:

Image Scan of article on 1971 East Pakistan Genocide by Antony Mascarenhas, Former Asst. Editor, Morning News, Karachi in Sunday Times, London, June 13, 1971

Text scan of the above article on 1971 Genocide

Bangladesh Genocide Archive

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

List of military arms supplied by US to Pakistan since 9/11
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/15/54/62/79/pakist10.jpg

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica. ... _LeT_0.pdf


Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... nthrop.pdf

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

Putting Our Children in Line of Fire - The Nation, January 27, 2013
The above is an admission by Pakistan Army's Top General that it was the Pakistani Army at Kargil, not the mujahideen, and Musharraf was the Culprit

Debate between a Taliban Scholar and a Paki Army Officer


PAKISTAN and NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION:

Pakistani nuclear scientist's accounts tell of Chinese proliferation - R. Jeffrey Smith and Joby Warrick, Washington Post, Nov 13, 2009

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

MISCELLANEOUS

UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup


Christine Fair :Ten fictions that pakistani defense officials love to peddle

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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities


see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.

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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?
Quote:
Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.



Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.


Youtube video: Bilatakalluf with Tahif Gora: Tarek Fateh dissects with Pakjabi society and shows how its war-impotent Army loots the common Pakistani (Jan 13, 2012)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby member_29089 » 24 Jan 2016 08:04

I want to be the 1st one to post this in the new thread. The reasons are as follows.

1) Pakistan is a mini-super power
2) Pakistan - China friendship is tallel, deepal, sweetal and now bluer-than-pork
3) Paki's rape goats but in the dark of the night one can mistake a goat for a swine.
4) It seems that's what happened when a Paki nuclear scientist raped a pig.... result is below.

China Pork Glows Blue in Dark

Pork Glowing Blue (2)

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Postby arun » 24 Jan 2016 09:44

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s narrative of being blameless victim of terrorism does not seem to be negating the Non-Mohammadden world’s view that the terrorism afflicting the Islamic Republic is the blowback of their own actions in fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism in order to attempt to intimidate India and other neighbours.

Editorial in Thailand published newspaper “The Nation” talks of the links between the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the menagerie of un-uniformed Jihadi’s birthed by the Military that are infesting the Islamic Republic:

The world must join hands with the people of Pakistan to condemn this hideous act because attacks against students, teachers and school can never be justified.

But the real challenge, it seems, lies with the Pakistani military and its willingness to cut ties with the extremists.

Pakistan is home to all sorts of radical movements that form a loose network of alliance. These movements include the two main factions of Pakistan Taleban, al-Qaeda, and militants seeking to liberate Kashmir from Indian control.

The country's military knows that it can't have it both ways - use the extremists for strategic purposes while at the same time ignoring the fact that these radicals have their own agenda beyond the control of the Pakistani military.

The military went through this before with the Taleban in Afghanistan who, after defeating just about all other factions, permitted al-Qaeda to base itself in the country.

It may not have been Pakistan's intention. But Islamabad can't ignore the fact that a Frankenstein was created because of this policy that defines national security in the narrowest sense of the word.


Read it all:

Pakistan: Burnt again after playing with fireSecret ploy of nurturing terror groups has left country vulnerable to hideous attacks from the sort of groups it once fostered

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Postby UlanBatori » 24 Jan 2016 09:52

Hood-Boy:
Why has Pakistan failed in making its own version of the IITs? One essential condition is openness to the world of ideas. This mandates the physical presence of foreign visitors.


Wotossainji: Hood-boy is 6th coujin thrice removed by ISI, using crowbar, of Dawood Geelani and Prof. Haffez Saeed. He gets "non-police-report 4-city vija" etc. and spends at least half his time in India. Back in the good old days of Abful Xerox Khan, Hoodbhoy used to have a job making Xerox copies of pictures of Chinese nuclear weapons parked in Paki air bases. Then in 2002 all the nukes were removed, so Hoodbhoy went first into whining, and now into lecturing on Secularism and Controversial Topics and generally touring Indian madarssas. Obviously if Pakistan still had any nukes they would hardly let Prof. Hoodbhoy wander Indian hotels where RAA might slip in the odd bottle of Scopalamine into his whisky, hain?

Now about that gem of a quote:
If Pakistan sets up IITs, they would be
Islamic Institutes of Terrorism
, hain?
Otherwise, the institutes would be called
PITs.
co-located with Pakistan Institute of Strategic Studies, "Short-Squat-Loud" Shrilleen Mazari presiding.
aka pakistans. Q.E.D.

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Postby kish » 24 Jan 2016 10:18

My guess is, Jihadi pigs are trying hard for an attack on Republic Day. There seems to be dozens of arrests all over India. Hope intelligence agencies foil it

Alert issued after Pathankot taxi driver found dead

The Delhi Police on Friday issued an alert after a taxi driver alleged hijacked by three unidentified people from Pathankot in Punjab was found dead in Himachal Pradesh.

Through its official Twitter handle, the Delhi Police released photographs of three suspects and the details of a Maruti Alto car, bearing registration number HP 01D2440, which was hired by them on January 20.

Taxi driver Vijay Kumar was later found dead at the Kalta bridge in Kangra district of Himachal Pradesh, a police officer said. Kumar was the resident of Gaggal in Kangra.
Investigating agencies said that the vehicle, which was registered with any travel agency, is missing.
Security agencies relate the incident similar to the Pathankot Indian Air Force (IAF) base attack in which a taxi driver Ikagar Singh was hired and killed by Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorist hours before their terror strike.
"People should not panic as security agencies and Delhi Police are doing their best... The message is to just alert people. Citizens should inform the police control room if they observe any suspicious activity," Deputy Commissioner of Police Rajan Bhagat said.
The Delhi Police issued the alert a week before French President Francois Hollande is set to arrive in India to be the chief guest at the Republic Day celebrations in the national capital.
The security agencies are into tizzy following the raids by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) across the nation in search of suspected IS terrorists.
The NIA in coordination with different state police teams have arrested twelve suspected terrorists from different places including Karnataka, Hyderabad and Mumbai, sources said.
The Delhi Police have already made India Gate and Rajpath out of bounds for vehicles and tourists. This year, police closed movement of vehicles on Rajpath early in the wake of numerous intelligence reports about possible terror attacks.
“The security has already been increased all across the capital. We do not want to leave any loophole. We are not allowing anyone to enter India Gate and park their cars near it. The tourists and Delhi residents are not being allowing to stand on the road near India Gate for long,” said a senior police officer.
The officer said that the crowded places, malls, railway stations and bus depots are kept under tight security cover.
"Extra paramilitary forces have already been deployed in the city with sniffer dogs and Delhi Police Quick Reaction Teams (QRTs) following the terror threat."
The Delhi Police on Tuesday arrested four suspected IS terrorist from Uttarakhand when they were planning to attack in Delhi, National Capital Region (NCR) and the ongoing Ardh Kumbh in Haridwar.
Central intelligence agencies said the four had been under surveillance for several months after their online activities drew suspicion, including contacts with people in territory in Iraq and Syria controlled by the IS group.

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Postby abhishek_sharma » 24 Jan 2016 10:50

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Postby member_29325 » 24 Jan 2016 10:52

UlanBatori wrote:Then in 2002 all the nukes were removed, so Hoodbhoy went first into whining, and now into lecturing on Secularism and Controversial Topics and generally touring Indian madarssas.


UBji, did not realize that Pervez Hoodboy, after being subjected to the ISI crowbar, has stopped his studies in International Institute of Islamic Science and moved on to India, which he despises so much, being a paki-nationalist and all. Or that he spends all his time in India these days, oiseaule still cannot resist the urge to point to internal cleavages etc. no doubt due to that stupid cretins in India who have "frank and free conversations" with him and share their prejudices. Nice to see the likes of him seek refuge in India, and I suppose this leaves pakistan with approximately 0 physicists of any value, since the rest of them have been emulating Xerox khan and plagiarzing research (and got caught out on it) for about a decade now. The bugger should be made to feel worse than he already is until he starts writing articles in praise of India, and eventually gets adnan-sami-ized -- sweet revenge to tear all the remaining miniscule intelligence remaining in sh1tland.

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Postby wig » 24 Jan 2016 14:05

Now, it is Peshawar : Time Pakistan and the world woke up to reality by Lt Gen Syed Ata Hasnain (Retd)
I admit I was wrong in assessing that Pakistan was changing its stripes after the Paris attacks and that the Americans probably did some plain speak to General Raheel Sharif. My perception arose out of the serious international concerns about radicalism that were evident after the Paris attacks. It was rational to believe that states that supported some form of radical belief, even for their politico-strategic ends, would be under pressure. However, after the attempts by India to try and bring sanity to Pakistan’s thinking by seeking to break the ice through some form of dialogue and the response from the Deep State, it is increasingly becoming evident that things are unchanged. The Pakistan security establishment demonstrated a false resolve by going after the radicals in Karachi and the anti-Shia sectarian groups. It lulled the world but the desire to destabilize India runs too deep in the Pakistani DNA. It is virtually the clichéd raison de etre for the existence of the Pakistan Army and its cronies and that is about the only reason why it continues to befriend and nurture anti India terror groups such as Jaish e Mohammad and Lashkar e Toiba against whom it will not act. This forms the essence of its twin track policy of fighting the internal war against the Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) while continuing to nurture the India focused terror groups, as strategic assets to be used whenever it wishes to calibrate its ‘war by a thousand cuts’.
The two track policy is an unnatural one. The Peshawar attack on the Bacha Khan University complex confirms that belief. A nation cannot hope to incubate hatred and continue to nurture elements to translate that into violence against neighbors while hoping to protect itself from home grown terrorists who target internal stability and wish to deeply radicalize society and polity to their skewed belief. There can be no water tight geographical limits which can be ensured; the attack at Wagah was a case in point where Punjab and that too a highly militarized zone was penetrated by non-India focused elements. Radical belief which drives both the sets of terror groups, the India focused ones and the internal focused ones, is only spreading.
It is indeed surprising that as professional an organization as the Pakistan Army refuses to realize how the India focused groups are taking it for a royal ride. Ashley Tellis in a seminal article in 2012 wrote – “….. since its establishment in 1987, LeT’s objectives relating to Kashmir and, more generally, India were fundamentally embedded in wider ambitions, with its focus on the subcontinent deriving mainly from its practical circumstances”. The LeT is an Ahl-e-Hadith adherent to the principles of Sunni Wahhabism. Its foremost aim is to establish a universal Islamic Caliphate and recover all lands that were once under Muslim rule. This objective likens it as much to the Al Qaida as to the Islamic State (Daesh). LeT does not have the network for a worldwide footprint. It is under control of the ISI which allows it to do fund raising through every dubious means. I also perceive that the ISI has effective control on its activities which do not allow it to proliferate beyond the Indian subcontinent even though Hafiz Sayeed, Abdulla Azam and Zafar Iqbal, its original founders, all had much more ambitious vision. It arose out of Zia ul Haq’s strategy of Islamization of Pakistan and its armed forces; the trio, along with others, were the facilitators to whom this was outsourced. Zia probably never imagined that the genie let out of the bottle would actually contribute to international terror and Islamization in the way it all panned out. What was intended against India found its way to Afghanistan and proliferated beyond with historical way points which could not have been perceived. It then came back to target Pakistan itself. To imagine those organizations like LeT and their ideologues will stay contained and remained tethered to the Deep State’s concept of proxy war against India is to be naïve beyond any understanding. Pakistan’s inability to contain the Taliban should have taught it many lessons. Ideology can be a great unifier even as political objectives remain different; that difference can only be temporary. The reluctance of the Deep State to draw in organizations such as LeT and JeM, despite realization that they are now adversely affecting Pakistan’s interests , is simply because it fears a backlash in the form of the TTP and these India focused groups now unifying in a common cause. If the malaise spreads in a more decisive way into Punjab it is the end of all control. The main constituents of the Deep State fully realize this but are currently unable to exercise control because that will trigger something far beyond what it had ever intended. The reluctance to act against the JeM and the LeT can be best explained with the above analogy. The political and military establishment of Pakistan is truly between the rock and a hard place. Lip service will be extended to demands from India and the US to curb the LeT and JeM with such cosmetic measures as detaining Azhar Masood and two or three JeM operatives, hoping that the situation will blow away. It is clear that actions to clean up Karachi, other sectarian groups and target the TTP in its bastions have achieved only a temporary reprieve. Any decisive pressure on the India focused groups will drive them closer to the TTP. It is Pakistan which is responsible for the malaise it finds itself in. No easy solutions exist. An organization such as LeT is straining at the leash for greater role in worldwide terror; its containment will create a backlash within Pakistan. The reluctance to act against it will only embolden it and any controls that exist will cease to be effective. India must therefore brace for more. LeT may not wish to be a surrogate of Daesh because that will place bring it into greater focus of worldwide efforts at containment. It will wish to retain its flexibility but could well succumb to pressure of competition. Remember how Daesh upstaged Al Qaida. The result of that is not difficult to comprehend.
The US holds the key. Its reluctance to sufficiently pressurize Pakistan flows from the perception that it needs Pakistan for the stabilization of Afghanistan. This is unlikely to change anytime in the near future unless the situation in Afghanistan improves or stabilizes which is highly unlikely. Pakistan will continue playing the victim and with more acts by TTP will effectively postpone any action against the India focused groups.
The subcontinent is therefore unlikely to witness any change. The Indian Government’s strategy of remaining ‘engaged’ with Pakistan may not give any dividends but is effectively the only option in the muddied waters of the very complex strategic environment. It has to keep the Pakistan civilian Government’s head above water to prevent greater turbulence in the neighboring state. Just remember, Pakistan going under will make the situation in Syria look like kids play. Syria’s population is 23 million; its civil war has had consequences as far as France and most of Western Europe. Pakistan has over 190 million and Pakistan is India’s neighbor.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby SSridhar » 24 Jan 2016 14:14

Nisar rebuked - Edit, DT
During a Senate session on Friday, Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar was severely reprimanded for ‘misleading’ the house by making a blatantly false statement claiming the non-existence of evidence against Lal Masjid cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz. Time and time again, the Interior Minister, also the point man on the implementation of the National Action Plan (NAP), had been implored by members of the government and civil society alike to prosecute the Lal Masjid cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz, the epitome of extremist belligerence rampant in society. Also the man who has been enjoying free reign despite his repeated violations of the state’s writ with open endorsements of militant organisations and fundamentalist hate speech inciting the masses to violence. Such a question was also raised on December 30, 2015, during a policy statement on the implementation of NAP, to which the Interior Minister had responded by expounding his helplessness in the matter given that no evidence or case existed against the cleric, rendering the ministry incapable of acting against him. He went on to claim that if such documentary evidence was presented, action would be taken urgently, regardless of political considerations. During the Senate session four key legal documents were presented, including a court order declaring Aziz an absconder, arrest warrants against him, an official notification to cellular companies to suspend services in Lal Masjid’s vicinity to prevent dissemination of his Friday sermons and most significantly a copy of the FIR registered against Aziz dated December 19, 2014. Clearly revealing that copious evidence was available to the ministry when Chaudhry Nisar made the statement, Senator Farhatullah Babar, who highlighted the matter before the Upper House, also sought the chairman’s permission to move a privilege motion against the Interior Minister for his mendacity.

The fact that Nisar has begrudgingly taken up the charge of NAP’s implementation, previously reflected in his languid and disobliging demeanour, has now become obvious in the artifice with which he has manoeuvred the Maulana Aziz matter so far. While this deliberate inaction was attributed to ‘fear or complicity’ by Babar, it is perhaps most clearly explained by Nisar’s thinly veiled sympathies for extremist groups that often surface, for example, with the tears he shed on the death of Tehreek-i-Taliban leader Hakeemullah Mehsud or in his strong opposition to taking military action against extremist groups, making him the last person in the cabinet to be given charge of the plan of action. What is increasingly apparent is the fact that Nisar is quite simply the wrong man for the job. Compromised by his partiality, he is likely to jeopardise the aims of NAP. Hence, there is a need to replace him with someone who is not only competent and principled, but most importantly genuinely inclined to accept ownership of NAP and take it forward. Otherwise not only removable ills like the virulent ideologies of Aziz will continue to fester, the country will be left unprepared in the face of threats that are as yet not so obvious. *

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby Mahendra » 24 Jan 2016 14:50

Wotsissain wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Then in 2002 all the nukes were removed, so Hoodbhoy went first into whining, and now into lecturing on Secularism and Controversial Topics and generally touring Indian madarssas.


UBji, did not realize that Pervez Hoodboy, after being subjected to the ISI crowbar, has stopped his studies in International Institute of Islamic Science and moved on to India, which he despises so much, being a paki-nationalist and all. Or that he spends all his time in India these days, oiseaule still cannot resist the urge to point to internal cleavages etc. no doubt due to that stupid cretins in India who have "frank and free conversations" with him and share their prejudices. Nice to see the likes of him seek refuge in India, and I suppose this leaves pakistan with approximately 0 physicists of any value, since the rest of them have been emulating Xerox khan and plagiarzing research (and got caught out on it) for about a decade now. The bugger should be made to feel worse than he already is until he starts writing articles in praise of India, and eventually gets adnan-sami-ized -- sweet revenge to tear all the remaining miniscule intelligence remaining in sh1tland.


This hood boy has been given a guided tour of premier technical institutes, who is to say he hasnt prepared detailed maps to pass over to his physics bosses at binori institute (of) technology( to) convert Haram ( BITCH) I hope security is increased at the IITs

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Postby Peregrine » 24 Jan 2016 15:10

Pakistan 'can and must' dismantle all terror networks: Barack Obama

WASHINGTON: In a strong message, US president Barack Obama told Pakistan on Sunday that it "can and must" take more effective action against terrorist groups operating from its soil by "delegitimising, disrupting and dismantling" terror networks there.

Describing the terror attack on the IAF base in Pathankot as "another example of the inexcusable terrorism that India has endured for too long", Obama gave credit to Prime Minister Narendra Modi for reaching out to his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif after the attack.

"Both leaders are advancing a dialogue on how to confront violent extremism and terrorism across the region," Obama told PTI in an interview here during which he answered a wide range of questions covering Indo-US ties, terrorism and outcome of the Paris climate change summit.

Voicing his belief that the Indo-US relationship can be one of the defining partnerships of the century, Obama said that Modi shared his enthusiasm for a strong partnership and "we have developed a friendship and close working relationship, including our conversations on the new secure lines between our offices".

Asked if the relationship has achieved its full potential, the US president replied, "Absolutely not."

On the Pathankot attack, Obama said, "We join India in condemning the attack, saluting the Indians who fought to prevent more loss of life and extending our condolences to the victims and their families.

"Tragedies like this also underscore why the US and India continue to be such close partners in fighting terrorism."

Obama was of the view that Sharif recognised that insecurity in Pakistan is a threat to its own stability and that of the region. After the December, 2014 school massacre in Peshawar he had vowed to target all militants, regardless of their agenda or affiliation.

"That is the right policy. Since then, we have seen Pakistan take action against several specific groups. We have also seen continued terrorism inside Pakistan such as the recent attack on the university in north west Pakistan."

The US president said that he still believed that "Pakistan can and must" take more effective action against terrorist groups that operate from its territory.

"Pakistan has an opportunity to show that it is serious about delegitimising, disrupting and dismantling terrorist networks. In the region and around the world, there must be zero tolerance for safe havens and terrorists must be brought to justice," he asserted in his third interview to PTI.

Referring to bilateral ties with India, Obama said his visit last year reflected how the ties between the two countries have been transformed.

"Since I took office, I have worked to deepen our cooperation with India across the board and I continue to believe that the relationship between India and the United States can be one of the defining partnerships of this century.

"However, common values--two democracies, two innovative economies, two diverse societies--make us natural partners. We are linked by the ties of family--millions of Indian Americans," the US President said.

He said his hope was that his visit could help spark a new era of cooperation between the two countries and "I believe it did".

"The past 12 months have been a year of progress across the three priorities that I identified in my speech to the Indian people at Siri Fort.

"We're deepening our partnerships to promote the development that lifts up our people, including rural Indians- helping farmers, boost their yields and working expanding access to electricity and clean water," Obama said.

He said both the countries continue to expand the economic partnerships that help reduce poverty and create opportunity, pushing bilateral trade to a record levels, expanding hi-tech collaborations and increasing students exchanges, including for girls and women who deserve the same education and opportunities and boys and men.

Obama said the two countries were doing even more as global partners including more military exercises, greater cooperation in the Asia Pacific and Indian Ocean region and working together to confront climate change.

"I continue to believe that America can be India's best partner. So I hope future generations can look back at this moment and see that this was the time when the world's largest democracy became true global partners.

"In my final year as President, continuing to deepen our ties will continue to be one of my foreign policy priorities," Obama said.

NOTE : Barack Obama should have stated : "Pakistan 'CAN BUT WILL NOT' dismantle all terror networks and so the World should take the following Actions to Force the Pakistan Government to Dismantle All Terror Networks" (Wishful thinking on my part) :(

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby SSridhar » 24 Jan 2016 15:37

Who knows? Hoodbhoy may be next in the queue, after Adnan Sami.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby K Mehta » 24 Jan 2016 15:48

@peregrine ji , falijee and others putting the efforts to post baki news, I request you to cross post economic news in the baki economic stress watch (pest watch) thread, so that the news can be used and analysed better and don't become forum mulch after rapid 72ing of this thread.

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Postby Peregrine » 24 Jan 2016 16:18

K Mehta wrote:@peregrine ji , falijee and others putting the efforts to post baki news, I request you to cross post economic news in the baki economic stress watch (pest watch) thread, so that the news can be used and analysed better and don't become forum mulch after rapid 72ing of this thread.


K Mehta Ji :

Awww! Your Wish is My Command! WILCO.

Meantime :

Pathankot attack: India justified in asking Pakistan to act against perpetrators, Francois Hollande says
NEW DELHI: Ahead of his three-day visit to India starting Sunday, French president Francois Hollande said India is "fully justified" in asking Pakistan for justice against the perpetrators of the Pathankot terror attack earlier this month.

Congratulating Prime Minister Narendra Modi for his "diplomacy reflecting both a sense of proportion and a strong determination", Hollande said India and France are "united in their determination to act together against terrorism", news agency PTI reported.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Jan 2016 16:38

sweet revenge to tear all the remaining miniscule intelligence remaining in sh1tland.

Hmm... think thru this picture:
Taap Bakistani former-nyooclear Xerox operator with peecheedee roams free in yindoostani akadummic institutes taking selfies.

Usually ppl with security clearance have to get clearance to visit abroad, and then report all contacts with foreigners in detail. So this one does **NOT** have security clearance, and if not, why not?
Or he DOES? :eek: Wonder why eye ess eye doesn't separate him from his goats immediately upon return?
Something does not compute.
Either the Scop-ul-Amin has taken effect long since, or the guy is as expert as Abdul Xerox.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Jan 2016 16:45

Whats with this Caliph-e-Frogistan vijiting Dilli 4 Republic Din? Strange choice. Rafales? Alliance of yindoofundoos-frogs against the Faithful?

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jan 2016 17:53

K Mehta wrote:@peregrine ji , falijee and others putting the efforts to post baki news, I request you to cross post economic news in the baki economic stress watch (pest watch) thread, so that the news can be used and analysed better and don't become forum mulch after rapid 72ing of this thread.


K. Mehta-ji:
Will do as suggested by you ; in the meantime, you can "enjoy" this interesting "bit of news" from the Paki Press to give an (incorrect) impression to the the world that Pakiland too, is a democracy, where any Abdul, Dick and Rasul can take their PM to court :mrgreen:
Paki Citizen Take PM- Nawaz Sharif - To Court For Making Speech In English Rather Than Urdu

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jan 2016 18:59

Pakistanis Are Now Scared To Send To Send Their Children To School - CNN Report
(CNN)Once again, Pakistan has been left reeling by an attack on some of its most vulnerable and defenseless people.
Bacha Khan University is in Charsadda, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, of which Peshawar is the provincial capital. The city, less than 40 kilometers (25 miles) from Charsadda, is where the Pakistani Taliban slayed 145 people, including 132 children.
The devastation at Bacha Khan University might not match last year's attack in terms of fatalities, but the deadly message remains the same.
While 2015 did see a reduction in the number of attacks, there is also the view that the army still hasn't done enough -- a belief that the government and military response has been made up of empty platitudes.
"We need concrete security for our children. Merely laying barbed wires around campuses won't work," Noor Mohammad Mohamand, from a remote tribal area in Pakistan, said to CNN.
"There must be a concrete plan to counter these attacks. The APS attack was a big lesson, but we haven't learned from it," he said.
Some are also critical of military trials and a seeming unwillingness to pinpoint the roots of militancy in Pakistan. (the bad vs good taliban theory practiced by the Deep State )
...Last year the Pakistan Taliban claimed responsibility for an attack on a mosque, proving once and for all that nowhere can be considered safe ground.
What does this mean for Pakistan's everyday population, for those who want to be able to send their loved ones to school and not fear violent retribution for it?
Behrwar Khan runs a business in Peshawar Cantonement.
"I was terrified after APS," he said. "And now the Bacha Khan University incident has compelled me not to send my daughter to university."
(the attackers have, it seems, achieved their objective of psychological fear!)
"We should not be at the mercy of terrorists," said University of Peshawar student, Manzoor Khan.
"We cannot be terrorized. We will keep fighting them, and we will not give up our studies."

The reporter, (from the above comment of the student ) of course, is able to cover only one side of the story; due to press censorship, the victims of the Paki Fauj, so called anti terrorism operation in the FATA, remain voiceless; CNN should send someone there and hear their side of the story as well !.

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Postby member_29325 » 24 Jan 2016 19:53

Mahdi wrote:This hood boy has been given a guided tour of premier technical institutes, who is to say he hasnt prepared detailed maps to pass over to his physics bosses at binori institute (of) technology( to) convert Haram ( BITCH) I hope security is increased at the IITs


Mahdiji, That is possible too, but one would think that those in Indian academia are not really doing security-related research in the IIT labs, but then one thinks wrong many times. Hoodbhoy could be coerces by the paki army into doing worse things like give out layouts of institutes to aid future paki terrorists, but UBji says he has been been PNGed in Pakistan. What was a little worrying was also these Colleges in India started in 1998 with a lot of paki wannabes, pure and green, that want physics textbooks in arabic/urdu.

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Postby member_29325 » 24 Jan 2016 20:00

UlanBatori wrote:Something does not compute.
Either the Scop-ul-Amin has taken effect long since, or the guy is as expert as Abdul Xerox.


The article was not clear as to why this Djinn Physicist wanted to visit India in the first place -- given that the pakis would be more paranoid about him spilling paki nooknood beans in India, he probably was never in the loop in the first place, suggesting that he is Xerox-lite...competent but not a practitioner who can do experiments etc. I mean, if he was so valuable to the paki army, they would not be having him teach Physics 101 and Advanced Djinn Physics at Lal Masjid with people who cannot read english. (at the very least they would have him training some english-speaking young RAPE lizards).

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jan 2016 20:03

Terrorist Violence Short Timeline In Pakistan - Strategic Page Journal
January 14, 2016: One little noticed success in Pakistan was the sharp reduction in Islamic terrorist and gangster violence in Karachi. This is the largest city in the country (14 million people, eight percent of the population) and produces a quarter of the GDP. But since 2001 violence there has gotten out of control....
For comparison purposes, the murder rate for all of Pakistan is 7.8, while it’s 3.5 in India and 2.4 in Afghanistan. In the Western hemisphere it’s about 8 while in Europe it is between 3 and 4. Middle Eastern nations have rates of between 5 and 10. The United States rate is about six per 100,000 and even lower (4.4) in the largest American city (New York), which has eight million people.
January 13, 2016: In southwest Pakistan (Quetta) an Islamic terrorist suicide bomber attacked police gathering to escort polio vaccination teams to work. The attack killed 13 police, a soldier and a civilian. So far this year polio cases In Pakistan are down 70 percent compared to 2014 and that’s mainly because there have been fewer Islamic terrorist attacks on vaccination teams, especially in the northwest. Such attacks still occur throughout the country but with less frequency and impact
In Afghanistan (Jalalabad) ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) attacked the Pakistani consulate. Three attackers and seven security personnel died. This was the first time ISIL went after a Pakistani government target. Apparently four suicide bombers were involved in this attack and the fourth one got away.
January 12, 2016: The U.S. Congress has halted the sale of eight F-16 fighters to Pakistan in an effort to get Pakistan to reduce its support for Islamic terrorism.
January 11, 2016: Officials from Pakistan, Afghanistan, China and the United States met in Pakistan to try and restart the peace talks with the Taliban. But it soon became clear that the real problem was not Taliban peace talks (not likely because of factionalism within the Afghan Taliban) but the growing hostility between Pakistan and its neighbors Afghanistan and India. Pakistan is accused of harboring Islamic terrorists who make attacks on Afghanistan and India. Officially Pakistan denies any involvement but unofficially Pakistan says it “tolerates” Islamic terrorists who help it deal with Indian threats, :roll: especially those done via a growing alliance with Afghanistan. India insists, and the historical record backs them up, that they have no such designs on Pakistan. A perusal of Indian media over the last half century confirms that. Indians don’t really care what happens in Pakistan as long as it does not hurt India.
...but a minor one. The dispute over Kashmir is a bigger deal in Pakistan than in India but there is nothing to indicate Indian enthusiasm for war with Pakistan over Kashmir. Then there is Afghanistan, where Pakistan has been meddling for decades. Many Pakistanis openly declare this to be a Pakistan right and obligation because Pakistan considers Afghans incapable of governing themselves and in need of Pakistani guidance. (set your own house in order first !)This view is not appreciated in Afghanistan and bothers India as well.
January 9, 2016: In northwest Pakistan (North Waziristan) an American UAV missile attack killed five members of the Pakistani Taliban. Just across the border in Afghanistan a similar attack killed at least twenty members of ISIL.
January 8, 2016: In the Pakistani capital nearly two thousand Pakistani Shia demonstrated against Pakistan joining a Saudi led anti-terrorist organization. Shia believe this effort is directed against Iran and Shia Moslems in general. Most of the demonstrators specifically condemned Saudi Arabia for the recent (January 2nd) execution of a Saudi Shia cleric who was accused of encouraging Shia violence in Saudi Arabia. The Pakistani decision to not send troops to help Saudi Arabia fight Shia rebels in Yemen was, in part, to avoid problems with Pakistani Shia. Pakistan points out that over 20 percent of Pakistanis are Shia, Iran is a neighbor and trading partner and Pakistan is heavily involved with battling local Islamic terrorists. Off the record Pakistanis point out that most of this Islamic radicalism began in Arabia, financed by Islamic charities sponsored by Arab oil money (from governments and wealthy individuals). The oil rich Gulf Arabs are angry with what is perceived as ingratitude and betrayal after years of generous financial support. Pakistan made matters worse by announcing it would cooperate with Iran to try and solve the Yemen unrest (where Iran admits it backs the Shia rebels) peacefully. That was seen as insulting to Saudi Arabia, which had publicly asked Pakistan to join the Saudi led coalition (Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt, Sudan, Bahrain, Morocco, Jordan, and Egypt) fighting Shia rebels in Yemen. At the same time Pakistan assured Saudi Arabia that Pakistan would provide military assistance if the territory of Saudi Arabia were invaded. That would only happen if Iran attacked, although Pakistan refused to elaborate on that possibility.
January 7, 2016: In southwest Pakistan (Quetta) an Afghan Taliban leader was killed by a gunmen from a dissident Afghan Taliban faction.
January 5, 2016: After years of trying Pakistan and China finally got commitments from two customers (Nigeria and Sri Lanka) for the JF-17 jet fighter. This is a largely Chinese effort but Pakistan is a major investor and also assembles it in Pakistan. The two customers are ordering eleven JF-17s (eight for Sri Lanka) at a very attractive price.
Sri Lanka has now changed its mind after a review of the technical aspects of the plane; not sure about Nigeria .
January 3, 2016: Afghanistan accused Pakistan of organizing the attack on the Indian consulate in the north Afghan city of Mazar-e-Sharif. The attack failed, but only after a 25 hour siege of a building near the consulate that the attackers were firing from. The attackers were heard speaking Urdu (the language of Pakistan) rather than the languages common in Mazar-e-Sharif (Dari or Pushtu). The attackers also displayed a discipline and tactical skill lacking in the usual suicidal Islamic terrorist attacks in Afghanistan. One reason the attack failed was the Afghanistan allows India to bring in highly trained security personnel to guard diplomatic facilities and major Indian aid projects. This discourages most Islamic terrorist groups and explains why the Pakistanis sent in four professionals for this attack.
January 2, 2016: In northwest India (Punjab, just south of Kashmir and on the Pakistani border) six Islamic terrorists attacked an Indian air base and disrupted base operations for three days until the last of them could be hunted down and killed. The attackers dressed in Indian Army uniforms and entered the base by getting over a wall without being seen
December 30, 2015: In northwest Pakistan (Khyber) a Taliban suicide bomber attacked a government compound and killed 26 people,
December 28, 2015: In Bangladesh commandos killed two members of Islamic terrorist group JMB (Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh) in the capital. Actually the two blew themselves up when cornered, wounding one soldier. I

Paki -"Deep State" - hand in this attack cannot be ruled out!
December 24, 2015: In Nigeria pirates released five Indian sailors they had taken from a ship offshore on the 11th. It was unclear if ransom was paid
Hand of Islamic terrorists could be a factor !

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jan 2016 20:13

Mahdi wrote:
This hood boy has been given a guided tour of premier technical institutes, who is to say he hasnt prepared detailed maps to pass over to his physics bosses at binori institute (of) technology( to) convert Haram ( BITCH) I hope security is increased at the IITs

Mehdi- ji:
This Pervez hood boy is a Paki Lite shehri, as opposed to his more "greener cousins" ; also, it should be noted for the record that he does not "belong to the right sect" , but is a follower of the Ismaili Hazar Imam (there are millions in Pakiland - mainly in Krachi and in the remote North (Hunza, Gilgit ) ( follower of Aga Khan)
If my memory serves me right, his contract at the university in Isloo was not renewed, for unknown reasons, a few years ago
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Postby Prem » 25 Jan 2016 00:00

Falijee wrote:[
Bacha Khan University is in Charsadda, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, of which Peshawar is the provincial capital. The city, less than 40 kilometers (25 miles) from Charsadda, is where the Pakistani Taliban slayed 145 people, including 132 children.
What does this mean for Pakistan's everyday population, for those who want to be able to send their loved ones to school and not fear violent retribution for it?Behrwar Khan runs a business in Peshawar Cantonement.(the attackers have, it seems, achieved their objective of psychological fear!)"We should not be at the mercy of terrorists," said University of Peshawar student, Manzoor Khan."

Good Talibans are making sure in long term,Pakistan produce nothing but illiterate laborers or Jihadis
in 21st Century.

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Postby Falijee » 25 Jan 2016 00:21

Pakistan Can And Must Dismantle All Terror Networks - Barack Obama :((


According to a tweet issued by "Paki Expert" - Tarek Fateh- this POTUS (Barack Obama) is not taken seriously by the Paki rulers ; they call him "Kaaliya" behind his back !

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Postby Falijee » 25 Jan 2016 03:33

Pakistan wants to de-escalate Saudi-Iran tension: PM Nawaz :((
LONDON (Web Desk) – Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif has said Pakistan want to resolve differences between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
While talking to newsmen in London on return home after attending World Economic Forum in the Swiss city of Davos, Nawaz said Pakistan and Afghanistan have an agreement not to allow their respective soils for terrorist activities.
He said Pakistan is fully abiding by this understanding. However, some elements are active in Afghanistan, who carry out terrorist attacks in Pakistan.
The Prime Minister said Pakistan has always supported Afghan-owned and Afghan-led peace process in Afghanistan as a peaceful and stable Afghanistan is in the best interest of not only Pakistan, but also the entire region.
Muhammad Nawaz Sharif said a committee comprising Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, and the United States is working for peace in Afghanistan.
Answering another question, Nawaz Sharif said Army and all other institutions are on the same page in fight against terrorism.
To a question, the Prime Minister said Pakistan and India should not interfere in each other’s affairs.
He said Pakistan is also working on the information provided by India in the backdrop of Pathankot incident, and the findings will be made public.
The Prime Minister said a Pakistani investigation team will also visit India to collect further information in this regard. Regarding National Action Plan, he said the government is fully determined to expedite its implementation and assured that all steps will be taken to root out the menace of terrorism.

Why is it "almost" ALWAYS MANDATORY, for a Paki PM, President or whoever to make a stopover in Londonistan hain ji :mrgreen: ? (Is it not shorter to fly to Phakanistan from Davos and save some money that way )
Badmash (now) and Dus percenti (before) obviously visit Londonistan - "to take care of bijness" (moolah salted away!)
Other dignitaries - to "check out" the fleshpots and other haram-giri not allowed in Pakiland? !

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Jan 2016 05:28

Why is it "almost" ALWAYS MANDATORY, for a Paki PM, President or whoever to make a stopover in Londonistan hain ji :mrgreen:

Have a heart, ji. PITA is not allowed to land in Switzerland. :(( Or most of Oirope. Something to do with maintenance, which is a polite way of saying
"Ve haf our own terrorists, danke! merci! Au non-revoir! Auf weider(nicht)sehen!"

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby SSridhar » 25 Jan 2016 08:45

Speak to the Pakistan Army, too - Ayesha Siddiqa, The Hindu
In a study conducted in 2014 on Pakistan’s trade with India, Iran and Afghanistan, the business community, despite some reservations and caution, supported increased trade with India. Most heartening was the shift in Punjab, considered central to the idea of enmity with New Delhi. There are numerous other studies that point to a similar sentiment. Earlier in 2014, even the Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad sounded convinced that from an Indian perspective, it was a different Pakistan. Despite his limited access, the diplomat could notice the change — that Pakistanis were eager to do business and reach out across the border.

And then Pathankot happened.

Historical attempts


But the diplomat wasn’t incorrect in his assessment. The public view in Pakistan today does not necessarily represent the popular view prevalent in the years after Partition, especially in Punjab which was one of the main victims of the carnage. For instance, it couldn’t have been imagined in the 1970s for a Prime Minister to reach out to his or her counterpart as Benazir Bhutto did in 1990. By inviting India’s then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, she not only deviated from her father Zuqfikar Ali Bhutto’s legacy of “a thousand years of war with India”, but also began a new chapter in the political imagination of bilateral linkages with an old enemy. This is not to argue that things were perfect. Political realities also forced Benazir Bhutto to seemingly retract, behaviour owed to politics of survival vis-à-vis a strong military rather than a lack of clarity.

In fact, one of the common threads between the governments of Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif during the 1990s was an emerging clarity in the mind of top leadership regarding peace with India. The two main political parties, the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), realised that greater political empowerment and improvement of civil-military balance required improving relations with India. A military for which the threat from India remains the raison d’etre could not be engaged evenly without improving ties.

It was this civil-military balance that Mr. Sharif hoped to change in 1999 when he welcomed Atal Bihari Vajpayee to Lahore and signed the famous Lahore declaration. Unfortunately, that effort was scuttled due to Kargil. A similar initiative taken during the military government of General Pervez Musharraf was also thwarted but later under the political government of President Asif Ali Zardari.

Sadly, the situation does not seem to have moved considerably from 2008 when the Mumbai attacks took place. The peace initiative now seems to be a tragic cyclic process in which hopeful overtures end with some act of terrorism, then tension, and finally an effort to begin again. But on the other hand, most major political parties including Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) desire peace with New Delhi.

However, peace remains elusive as all major political parties put together are unable to change the Army’s perspective. The political parties may represent an alternative pole in the overall power politics of the state but they are still not in a position to challenge the military’s political prowess. In one way or the other, all major political parties are a product of the Army General Headquarters (GHQ). This does not mean that they will not deviate from the path set by Rawalpindi but that the Army remains in a better position to checkmate them.

This is not to forget the fact that over the years Pakistan’s military has begun to manipulate the national narrative as well. It has indeed moved from Military Inc. to Media Inc. What this means is that domestically there are very few voices that will challenge the perception that the Pathankot attack was possibly a setup by the Indians themselves to scuttle peace talks and malign Pakistan. In any case, Syed Salahuddin of the Jihad Council has already taken responsibility for the attack. It does not matter that domestically in Pakistan, the Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM) people proudly own the attack.

The tone of the popular national discourse is set by the armed forces and their public relations agency. The Army on the one hand and the militants on the other manage to challenge the political class. A politician, who is constantly challenged on grounds of corruption or declared anti-nationalist, has less credibility to author a grand national strategic narrative.

Fear of India

However, another reality for this ongoing tension is the military’s fear of India or that New Delhi seeks to destroy Pakistan. Although unable to present any convincing evidence internationally, Rawalpindi has managed to convince itself that New Delhi remains hostile to the idea of Pakistan. The 1971 debacle remains fresh in the minds of many. The military establishment is of the view that it is not alone to be blamed for the repeated scuttling of the peace process. A popular notion is that the Indian Army is equally sceptical of peace and hence central to the conflict. It is indeed the historic balance of power strategy that seems to be at play in determining relations between India and Pakistan.

The military’s narrative cannot be totally discarded as having no traction. There is somewhere a deep-set discomfort if not insecurity amongst common Pakistanis that India has not accepted Pakistan’s reality. Almost seventy years after 1947 there is still a lack of closure on Partition. Sadly, there is no formula to allay such fears.

Referring to the military’s thinking, it is not that the organisation is totally incapable of thinking about peace. The global and regional realities are constantly shifting. There is also Islamabad’s partnership with Beijing that would like relations to improve between the two South Asian neighbours to attain a certain level of stability in the region. The Rawalpindi GHQ is not totally oblivious to these changes. Nevertheless, it remains shy of the idea of peace to the degree that it wouldn’t want civilians, which it mistrusts itself, to handle the initiative or the idea. Both trade and peace with India can happen but it has to be done carefully and it has to go through the Army rather than the Prime Minister’s office.

Apparently, there are several occasions on which the Army tried to reach out to its counterpart. In 2007, the then Inter-Services Intelligence chief, Lt. General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, tried to convey a message regarding his interest to talk directly to the Indian government or vice-versa. The loss of life of over 100 Pakistani soldiers at Gayari in 2012 was another instance when an effort was made. The then Army chief, General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, even proposed withdrawing troops from the highest battleground in the world. The gesture was not reciprocated.

The media on both sides of the border tends to not only get belligerent but fan belligerence, especially during a crisis. It almost feels that both states are on the doorsteps of a conflict, perhaps even a nuclear encounter. Maybe peace cannot be brought about through pre-set formulas. Much as India prides itself on its democratic values, it may have to find a way to initiate a parallel conversation — one with the civilian government and another with the armed forces. Unless the GHQ is brought on board (but in the shadow of a political government), things might not move.

(Ayesha Siddiqa, author of ‘Military Inc: Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy’, is an Islamabad-based columnist.)

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Postby SSridhar » 25 Jan 2016 08:49

My response to the above, which I do not expect The Hindu to publish online.
The author has given Pakistani perspectives: politicians can’t change the Pakistani Army(PA), political parties are a product of the PA, national discourse is set by the PA and its balance of power strategy, PA doesn’t trust civilians dealing with India. Therefore, the author demands that a democratic India must have a dialogue with the PA for peace! Coming from an analyst of her reputation, this shows the hopelessness in Pakistan. PA believes that a living day is wasted if it did not harm India. Their indoctrination is one of looking at India as a 'civilizational enemy' not merely as a ‘security threat’. The cold-war & post-cold-war situations have been exploited by the PA to pursue 'enduring hostility' with us. PA is revisionist in outlook and employs open jihadi terrorism, not even proxies anymore, under a nuclear overhang, to alter the status-quo. Confident, it even gave up, long back, the ruse of 'plausible deniability’ in terrorism against us. How does one talk to such an entity?

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Postby Prem » 25 Jan 2016 09:38

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mi ... -Iran.html
Saudi FM: No plans for Iran mediation
Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir has denied the existence of any Pakistani mediation between his country and Iran :rotfl: .The minister told the media on the sidelines of the first ministerial session of the Arab-India Cooperation Forum that some countries had offered to mediate and communicate ideas between Riyadh and Tehran, stressing that Iran knows what is required from it and there will not be mediation unless Iran responds positively.Over 35 years, Iran has adopted a hostile approach toward Arab countries by meddling in their internal affairs, sowing sectarian strife and backing terrorism as confirmed by numerous strong evidences, al-Jubeir said..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby Kashi » 25 Jan 2016 09:53

So Ayesha Siddiqa too has been given the crowbar treatment by the deep state ala Hoodbhoy. Well she need to survive in Pakistan.

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Where is the original interview? I only see excerpts & annotations.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby shiv » 25 Jan 2016 14:17

SSridhar wrote:Speak to the Pakistan Army, too - Ayesha Siddiqa, The Hindu
There is somewhere a deep-set discomfort if not insecurity amongst common Pakistanis that India has not accepted Pakistan’s reality.

India does not accept "the reality of Pakistan?". This is an old and stupid one. The only thing that will satisfy Pakistan is India accepting that the Mughals were the true inheritors of India, and that Pakistanis are the true representatives of Muslims and that Pakistan should have a say in Indian affairs.

Nothing less than this will suffice. Of course it appears to me that Pakis do not accept the reality of India but we don't seem so upset as they are.

Continuing to read Dalrymples "Last Mughal" a few insights. Prior to 1800 the Britons who came to India were largely male and unmarried and under 20, often as young as 16. At least in the north, these boys grew up in India and were comfortable speaking Indian languages (mainly Urdu) and dressed (mostly like Muslims). They lived like Mughals and there was great Islamo-Christian secularism. The Muslims, who had by then many favourite Hindu wives had themselves gradually diluted their own customs and there was great Islamo-Christian secular coexistence. Mughal royalty were treated by the British as royalty with all the privileges that royalty must have. Brits were freely marryng Indian women and often had harems like the Mughals

Between 1800 and 1850 or so the British gradually came to the conclusion that the Mughals were zero and that they must exert control over India and not be second to the Mughal royalty (which is what the East India Company was doing). Gradually the men who came to India were older men who had passed exams to enter the civil service and they were married. This coincided with a decrease in the number of British-Indian intermarriages. Dalrymple says that this was the reason and not because mem-sahibs objected. but what probably tllted the balance was evangelists who came in to convert India who frowned upon Brits who married Indians or lived like Indians (Muslims). As British run schools started Bible classes, Shah Waliullah (a contemporary of Ibn Wahhab IIRC) took a hard like against Christians.

It is possible that it was around this time that Hindus continued to get in Brit schools along with conversion where possible while Muslims began opting out, sticking to madrasas - a fact that holds true even today in India. Then came Macaulay's minute and the replacement of Persian with Erdoo making the last royal Mughals even more butt hurt - but they had little power.

A century later when Shitland was created they blamed the British because they felt the Brits had deprived them of empire in connivance with the Brahmin (Nehru)-Bania(Gandhi) nexus. This is what the Shitistanis probably want as "Accepting the reality of Pakistan"

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Postby shiv » 25 Jan 2016 14:20

SSridhar wrote: The loss of life of over 100 Pakistani soldiers at Gayari in 2012 was another instance when an effort was made. The then Army chief, General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, even proposed withdrawing troops from the highest battleground in the world. The gesture was not reciprocated.[/b]
:rotfl:
Clever bunch of mofos who want Indian troops to decimate themselves just like avalanche decimated Pakis

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby SSridhar » 25 Jan 2016 14:34

shiv wrote:The only thing that will satisfy Pakistan is India accepting that the Mughals were the true inheritors of India, and that Pakistanis are the true representatives of Muslims and that Pakistan should have a say in Indian affairs.

Nothing less than this will suffice.


A Lashkar-e-Toiba pamphlet titled “Why are we wajing Jihad ?” clarifies matter further. It establishes the Muslim right to revenge in history. Jihad is obligatory, it pronounces for taking back Spain where Muslims ruled for 800 years. The same with Nepal and Myanmar. Of course, the whole of India, including Kashmir, Hyderabad, Bihar, Junagadh, and Assam, also has to be retaken.

Thus the attack on the Red Fort in Delhi is seen as a significant step in the direction. The Markaz website points force in places like Palestine, Chechnya, out that the Fort was the symbol of Muslim power in the subcontinent and later the main target of the East India company’s machinations. It is also the site from where India’s Independence Day speeches are made on 15 August. The Lashkar advocates the use of force in places like Palestine, Chechnya, Kosovo, and Eritrea and has vowed that it would plant ‘the flag of Islam’ in Washington, Tel Aviv and New Delhi.

It was on 16th August 1947 that the Indian Flag was raised over the Red Fort. Commenting on that, DAWN said that the action by Nehru had caused considerable agitation among the Muslims. "It would have been far more graceful of the Nehru government if they had respected deeply the sentiments and desisted from hoisting their flag on this historical monument in such a haste. We trust that there would be no petty-minded jubilation by the Hindus under the mistaken impression that by hoisting the flag on the seat of power of ancient Muslim kings, they have somehow stretched a spiteful hand back into the historic past and dimmed the imperishable glory of Muslim rule"

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby shiv » 25 Jan 2016 14:40

SSridhar wrote:
shiv wrote:The only thing that will satisfy Pakistan is India accepting that the Mughals were the true inheritors of India, and that Pakistanis are the true representatives of Muslims and that Pakistan should have a say in Indian affairs.

Nothing less than this will suffice.


A Lashkar-e-Toiba pamphlet titled “Why are we wajing Jihad ?” clarifies matter further. It establishes the Muslim right to revenge in history. Jihad is obligatory, it pronounces for taking back Spain where Muslims ruled for 800 years. The same with Nepal and Myanmar. Of course, the whole of India, including Kashmir, Hyderabad, Bihar, Junagadh, and Assam, also has to be retaken.

Thus the attack on the Red Fort in Delhi is seen as a significant step in the direction. The Markaz website points force in places like Palestine, Chechnya, out that the Fort was the symbol of Muslim power in the subcontinent and later the main target of the East India company’s machinations. It is also the site from where India’s Independence Day speeches are made on 15 August. The Lashkar advocates the use of force in places like Palestine, Chechnya, Kosovo, and Eritrea and has vowed that it would plant ‘the flag of Islam’ in Washington, Tel Aviv and New Delhi.


What intrigues me about the LeT is that they are followers of the Pakistan army and Pakistaniyat. That means that they quote all this blablabullcrap about "Taking back Islamic lands" but they are not half as enthusiastic about real Islam like Taliban and ISIS. They play second fiddle to whisky swilling paki jernails. So they are frauds. Dangerous frauds but frauds nevertheless. The Paki army hides behind the LeT and now the jeM - who are equal bhakts of the Shitistan army.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby Baikul » 25 Jan 2016 15:02

SSridhar wrote:....................................
A Lashkar-e-Toiba pamphlet titled “Why are we wajing Jihad ?” clarifies matter further. It establishes the Muslim right to revenge in history. Jihad is obligatory, it pronounces for taking back Spain where Muslims ruled for 800 years. The same with Nepal and Myanmar. Of course, the whole of India, including Kashmir, Hyderabad, Bihar, Junagadh, and Assam, also has to be retaken.

Thus the attack on the Red Fort in Delhi is seen as a significant step in the direction.................. It is also the site from where India’s Independence Day speeches are made on 15 August. .................

It was on 16th August 1947 that the Indian Flag was raised over the Red Fort. Commenting on that, DAWN said that the action by Nehru had caused considerable agitation among the Muslims................


It is interesting to rediscover the impact the Red Fort has on Bakistani psyche.

If I had the power and the cojones - I know I don't have the one and the other I handed over on the day of my marriage - I would build a grand temple on the Red Fort. Birla Mandir style, maybe, just to sit back and enjoy the khujlee.

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India signs accord to buy 36 Rafale jets from France, financial details yet to be worked out
NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Monday that India has agreed to buy 36 Rafale combat jets from France, but the financial details of the deal have yet to be worked out.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2

Postby Karan M » 25 Jan 2016 16:51

Baikul, your biggest issue would be the dhimmis and secooolar types in india itself.

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^^ Why is this is TSP dhaaga?


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