Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2016

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Apr 2016 20:33

JE Menon wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/0 ... 0-witw.cnn

Maybe the US needs to worry more about Pakistan's real nuclear arsenal than Iran's imaginary one - Fareed Zakaria

Best example of how contrary opinions are allowed in US within acceptable boundaries. Like a true establishment boy, what is more note worthy is what he left unsaid. The real US strategy of using TSP nuke threat to cap both India & TSP. That TSP's nukes only threaten India. Its terror is targeted mainly against India etc, and give viewers more insight. But doing so would mean unacceptable to establishment.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Apr 2016 20:37

Sorry to get your BP up

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/lov ... 4NYfO.html

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Apr 2016 20:47

WikiLeaks ‏@wikileaks 19h19 hours ago

#PanamaPapers Putin attack was produced by OCCRP which targets Russia & former USSR and was funded by USAID & Soros.

So much so for the Panama papers so called leaks and the hoopla ; it was smear against Putin only- other names were diversion tactics; no wonder, Paki Faujis were not included in the list ( as also no US citizens, which was also strange !); Massa cant afford to upset them, at this crucial time (withdrawal of US troops from Afghan theatre )

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Apr 2016 23:04

How does Musharraf own over Rs2 billion deposits?

In wake of the Panama Papers leak, the politicians are being grilled for owning offshore companies but no one asks the ex-dictator Pervez Musharraf from where he got billions of rupees which are kept in his offshore accounts. Musharraf, who retired as army chief, till recently was in possession of around Rs 2156 million net cash in his offshore bank accounts besides other movable and immovable property, but in his official papers submitted with the Election Commission, he declared that his worth is mere Rs 626 million.

People in power, in Pakiland, past and present, fauji or non-fauji, corrupt from top to bottom,so this Ex General is no surprise

Musharraf accumulated billions in offshore accounts besides the property that he has already purchased in foreign lands or inside Pakistan but he never mentioned these assets and accounts even at the time of assets declaration while submitting his nomination papers during general elections 2013.

A source, having a close association with the former dictator, confided to The News that Musharraf has at least seven to ten offshore accounts in Dubai and London, containing huge cash in dollars, sterling pounds and dirhams worth Rs 2156 million rupees in 2012. According to the source, besides having foreign bank accounts, Musharraf has also made huge saving investments abroad to earn large profits.

Not to speak of commissions on arm purchases shared with his army buddies, siphoning off foreign aid, not declaring foreign income etc etc

There is no indication as to who funds him and how he became fabulously rich but the retired general has accumulated billions in offshore accounts besides the property that he has already purchased in foreign lands or inside Pakistan.Just like any other politician in Pakistan, he has his own foreign and domestic supporters and for the right price will do their bidding

The source said that in just one Dubai-based online trading service — MMA — Musharraf had US$ 1,600,000 (Rs 145 million) last year. Musharraf’s account number, according to the source in this company, is AV77777.

Musharraf claimed to be the Mr Clean of Pakistan.
How did he become a billionaire is a million dollar question.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Apr 2016 00:24

CRamS wrote:Sorry to get your BP up

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/lov ... 4NYfO.html

It means that there is no Pakistan next to China!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Apr 2016 01:42

With army assistance, security operation underway in southern Punjab

RAWALPINDI/LAHORE: Security forces, with assistance from Pakistan Army, are conducting an operation against terrorists and hardcore criminals in areas of southern Punjab.
"Coordinated operations are underway against terrorists, hardened criminals and ferraris by law enforcement agencies including Rangers, Punjab police, CTD , assisted by Pakistan army in southern Punjab", an Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement said on Wednesday.

The statement added that the terrorists have fled from different parts of the country as a result of operation Zarb-i-Azb, and have taken refuge in the remote areas of Rohjan and district Rahim Yar Khan.

The operation is being looked after by Corp Commander Lahore, Lt Gen Sadiq Ali, with army troops, Punjab Police, Counter-Terrorism Department and Rangers participating.

A Sub-Inspector (SI), Abid Sharif Gabol, posted at DG Khan and participating in the operation, said the criminals were residing on the islands in the river, which are situated from Ghazi Ghat to Sukkur.

Gabol added that some members of the proscribed Baloch Liberation Army and proclaimed offenders were also being facilitated by Chotu gang.
“The ammunition being used by the gang to attack law enforcement personnel was of Indian origin,” elaborated Gabol.[/quote]Everyone knows that Southern Punjab is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalists, but these groups are not being targeted, being "strategic assets" of the Deep State
The decision to conduct a security operation was taken after the horrific Gulshan-i-Iqbal park suicide attack in Lahore, which killed at least 72 people including women and children.

Analysts believe that south Punjab, with thousands of seminaries and a history of having provided foot soldiers to militant and sectarian outfits for decades, now offers a promising opportunity for the militant Islamic State (IS) to strengthen its network in the region.
But the state apparatus has always denied the presence of IS in Pakiland!
“The main battle has to be fought in the tribal backyard, but the job will remain half-done unless the militant sanctuaries and support networks in the cities both in southern and northern Punjab are completely dismantled,” warned a Lahore-based security analyst.

The biggest terrorist names are sitting right there in their main cities ( La-Whore and Pindi), but they cannot be "touched" with a ten foot pole !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Apr 2016 01:59

History made as first Pakistani Muslim elected to Saskatchewan Legislature

Now wait for introduction of Sharia Law, time off for Friday prayers, Islamic schools for Muslim kids, prayer room in schools, colleges and offices, no allowing of ham, bacon, sandwiches etc in schools ; if past experience is any guide, this is the usual pattern

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Apr 2016 03:27

After F-16 jets and attack helicopters, US to sell thermal weapon sights to Pakistan
The Pentagon awarded a USD17 million contract to Raytheon for supply of state of the art thermal weapon sights and spares which improve targeting and surveillance capabilities.

One bid was solicited with one received. Work will be performed in McKinney, Texas; and Pakistan, with an estimated completion date of October 30, 2017. Fiscal 2010 other procurement funds in the amount of USD17,877,938 were obligated at the time of the award, the statement said.

Where is Bhooka Nanga Pakistan to get the money to pay for these expensive toys

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 07 Apr 2016 12:09

Man says killed British-Pakistani in Scotland for disrespecting Islam

A man accused of murdering a British-Pakistani shopkeeper in Scotland’s largest city Glasgow issued a statement Wednesday saying he killed him because he disrespected the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Tanveer Ahmed, 32, from Bradford in northern England, appeared at a preliminary court hearing in Glasgow Wednesday and afterwards issued a statement through his lawyer admitting his guilt.
“Asad Shah disrespected the messenger of Islam the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Mr Shah claimed to be a Prophet,” the statement said.
“If I had not done this others would and there would have been more killing and violence in the world.

Now here is the real reason ...

Shah, an Ahmadi who moved to Glasgow from Pakistan in 1998, had recently posted a message on Facebook wishing people a happy Easter, “especially to my beloved Christian nation”.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 07 Apr 2016 13:06

Could somebody confirm these figures,

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... nk.html#pk

ELECTRICITY - INSTALLED GENERATING CAPACITY

5 INDIA 254,700,000(KW) 2012 EST
201 PAKISTAN 24,380(KW) FY2013 EST.

Possible?

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 07 Apr 2016 13:23

Falijee wrote:After F-16 jets and attack helicopters, US to sell thermal weapon sights to Pakistan
The Pentagon awarded a USD17 million contract to Raytheon for supply of state of the art thermal weapon sights and spares which improve targeting and surveillance capabilities.
One bid was solicited with one received. Work will be performed in McKinney, Texas; and Pakistan, with an estimated completion date of October 30, 2017. Fiscal 2010 other procurement funds in the amount of USD17,877,938 were obligated at the time of the award, the statement said.
Where is Bhooka Nanga Pakistan to get the money to pay for these expensive toys

Where is Pak going to get money ? In aid from the US. They have been getting up to 3 billion a year for as long as I can remember !

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 07 Apr 2016 13:35

And we can do out bit to contribute by buying some Solahs and Athras

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 07 Apr 2016 14:11

Lisa wrote:Could somebody confirm these figures,

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... nk.html#pk

ELECTRICITY - INSTALLED GENERATING CAPACITY

5 INDIA 254,700,000(KW) 2012 EST
201 PAKISTAN 24,380(KW) FY2013 EST.

Possible?

It is even less than that.

Pakistan has an installed electricity generation capacity of 22,797MW.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/655573/paki ... -security/

Anyway, our target should be to reach at a level China is, 6 times our current capacity.

China's infrastructure growth is simply unbelievable.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 07 Apr 2016 14:21

Manish_P wrote:And we can do out bit to contribute by buying some Solahs and Athras

our contribution is never imposing a cost on Pakistan, giving away hard won territory (haji pir pass, kargil) and buying the non state actor BS and nuclear blackmail.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 07 Apr 2016 14:46

Chandragupta wrote:
Lisa wrote:Could somebody confirm these figures,

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... nk.html#pk

ELECTRICITY - INSTALLED GENERATING CAPACITY

5 INDIA 254,700,000(KW) 2012 EST
201 PAKISTAN 24,380(KW) FY2013 EST.

Possible?
It is even less than that.

Pakistan has an installed electricity generation capacity of 22,797MW.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/655573/paki ... -security/

Anyway, our target should be to reach at a level China is, 6 times our current capacity. China's infrastructure growth is simply unbelievable.

Pakistan has an installed electricity generation capacity of 22,797MW. The average demand is 17,000MW and the shortfall is between 4,000 and 5,000MW

What kind of madarsa math is that,

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Apr 2016 15:24

Pakistan's Khatm-e-Nabuwat & Dawat-e-Islami Linked To Murder Of Ahmadi in UK

The recent murder of Ahmadi Muslim shopkeeper Asad Shah has sent shockwaves across Britain. Ahmadiyya Muslims who are considered heretics and face severe persecution at the hands of extremist Muslims across Asia but this the first time an Ahmadi has been murdered for his religious belief’s in UK.
Shah who was a resident of Glasgow was much loved by the local community and his horrific murder has got people talking about sectarian violence within the Muslim community, something that has largely been ignored by both the British Media and Politicians. In 1985 The Times London published an article warning Britain about the “Muslim feud” that was being imported from Pakistan.

The damage is already done now !

The extremist group KhatmeNabuwat which is based out of ForestGate, London has also hosted prominent Pakistani hate preachers which include Molana Ilyas Chinioti and Molana Allah Wasaya

The Ahmedis were in the forefront in the struggle for a "Muslim homeland" during the pre - partition days; now they are getting a taste of their own medicine from their fellow brothers in Malsi

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Apr 2016 15:40

Badmash Sharif Lampooned As A Sucker

Mystery artist draws Nawaz Sharif holding a penis and sucking money out of it in the recent wake of Panama Leaks

Mystery artist draws Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif holding a penis and sucking money out of it in the recent wake of Panama Leaks. Most weird & disgusting campaign ever ViewStorm has witnessed.
On a sunny day while walking in my neighborhood I saw some weird pamphlets of Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif holding a penis with a dollar sign on it. The drawing it seems showed how Nawaz Sharif is sucking the hard-earned money of the people of Pakistan. Also, the artist has mentioned the name of his campaign as “Resign Nawaz” in his pamphlet.

So, Pakistani, artists ,brain washed in Islamic Ideology are resorting to "filthy" western cartoon techniques to make a point of widespread "western imported corruption" in Islamic Pakiland

The drawing of penises rings a bell in my head as there were also drawings of these male genitals in the recent pothole campaign launched in Islamabad by a mystery artist. So it is likely that this same mystery artist has made a major come back. But this time it’s for a much bigger cause. First, it was about the potholes in Islamabad and now it’s about the resignation of Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif.

The guardians of Islamic Ideology AKA "Word Police" are probably at his case right now !

Also, few students in Islamabad have tweeted with pictures of the flyers which were found in their universities. The pamphlet says that people demand immediate resignation of PM Nawaz as he has been mentioned in the Panama leaks.

Ah! the marvels of social media

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Apr 2016 15:50

Pakistan considering India’s request of consular access to detained RAW officer

SLAMABAD (Staff Report) – Iran has assured that it will not allow its soil to be used against Pakistan, Pakistani Foreign Office said on Thursday.
Foreign Office spokesman Nafees Zakariya, while addressing weekly media briefing, said the government is considering Indian request to allow consular access to RAW officer Kulbhushan Yadav, who was arrested in Balochistan recently.
Meanwhile responding to a separate query, he said that RAW agent Kulbushan Yadav is being interrogated in the light of his confession statement.
The spokesman said Pakistan will continue to raise Samjhota Express terrorist attack with India.
To a question, he said India has not apprised Pakistan of progress in investigations into the train bombing, ( the so-called Sumjhota Express) while Pakistan’s joint investigation team which visited India is evaluating formation shared by India with regard to the Pathankot terror attack.
Replying to a question, the spokesman said we have taken note of President Obama’s call on both Pakistan and India to work together with a view to ensuring that military doctrines do not move in the wrong direction.
He said there is increased understanding at the international level of Pakistan’s genuine concerns regarding rapidly growing Indian conventional and nuclear capabilities and their offensive military designs such as cold start doctrine.
The spokesman said Pakistan will continue efforts to promote Afghan reconciliation process.

The whole purpose of this farticle is to create a (wrong) impression that while Pakistan is reasonable, India is not !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Apr 2016 16:05

"Real" Sharia court dispenses ‘justice’ in Lahore

LAHORE: In a manifestation of people’s growing distrust in conventional judicial system and mounting influence of religious organisations in society, Jamatud Dawa (JuD) ( AKA- Lashkar -e -Toiba LET) has set up ‘Darul Qaza Sharia’ in the provincial metropolis to dispense ‘justice’ among people in light of Sharia laws, Dawn has learnt.
A legal expert Dawn talked to said this is in sheer violation of the Constitution of Pakistan. However, the organisation claims it offers arbitration only and resolves disputes in light of Sharia.

But, I was under the (wrong!) impression that Paki justice was always based on Sharia principles .

The JuD is not a proscribed organisation (under the protection of Deep State ) and claims to render social welfare ...

The organisation’s spokesman Yahya Mujahid defends the functioning of the ‘Sharia Court’ saying it is not a parallel system to the constitutional courts of the country. “It is an arbitration court, which decides disputes with the consent of the parties,” he said. He states disputes have been resolved in accordance with Islamic laws and that offering arbitration to confronting parties is not illegal.

In one such case regarding a monetary dispute between two property developers, the ‘Sharia Court’ has been issuing summons to the defendant. However, the defendant has not appeared before the Qazi so far.
He has written letters to judicial and executive authorities, including chief justice of Pakistan and prime minister, complaining about the unconstitutional summons being issued to him by the religious organisation. The letters are yet to be answered whereas the JuD spokesman offers no explanation to the practice of serving summons.
Pakistan Bar Council member Azam Nazir Tarar says the Constitution does not allow any private organisation to use the word “court”. The word can be used for Supreme Court, Federal Shariat Court, high courts and all other courts established by a high court only.

Interesting development ; so the Pakistan Bar Council's monopoly is now challenged ; wondering if the "new Qazi" would exercise his new authority to summon Badmash to explain the ill-gotten wealth that he has stashed away in Londonistan and other places

Deputy Inspector General (Operations) Dr Haider Ashraf denies any knowledge of the existence of ‘Sharia Court’ or having received any complaint in this regard. He says police will take action if they received any complaint as the law did not allow any parallel judicial system.

Who can dare complaint against an Islamic court !

member_28921 · Post by **member_28921** » 07 Apr 2016 16:50

Sixth generation biological warfare unleashed on Pakis in a joint CIA/RAW/Mossad operation. Modi also involved.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... &tid=ss_fb

"Others believe the rats were bred on U.S. military bases in Afghanistan and brought to Peshawar in the trucks that are withdrawing coalition supplies on Pakistani highways.
One theory is that super-size rats came in the luggage of refugees fleeing a military operation in Pakistan’s tribal belt, where rumors of huge rodents have persisted for centuries.
There have been allegations that the rats were genetically modified by a foreign power and left here to terrorize Muslims."

My theory - Mossad developed genetically MODIfied rats, which were then produced in bulk in CIA farms and RAW delivered them into Pakistan, in a joint operation to terrorize the only Muslim nuclear power. Really sad, after using HAARP, now biological warfare.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 07 Apr 2016 16:52

^^^^ Current installed capacity of India is 290,000 MW.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Apr 2016 16:55

Pakistani High Commissioner in New Delhi Press meet:

Peace process, Comprehensive dialogue stopped
India is not ready for peace
There is no question of reciprocity for NIA to visit Pakistan
Onus is on India to restart the process

Absolutely expected behaviour.

GoI said it could not go by rumours and it needs feedback from GoP and it has been delivered today, that too very publicly. I am not even sure if Basit took MEA into confidence before saying all that or wanted to rub salt into Indian wounds by conveying it through a press meet. Most probably, the latter.

We can debate for days on what could have prompted STFU-TSP to pull the rug from under Modi's feet, but Modi knowingly took a big risk.

The trouble is we are repeatedly going through the same cycle under pressure from the US after every terror attack and Pakistan easily deflects the situation because it is a street rowdy, unmindful of consequences, while we are not. In the process, we waste our energy, efforts and earn the ridicule. Yes, ridicule because the world would come to the conclusion that India is a piece of sponge willing to soak up body blow after body blow without having the guts to retaliate.

The access to PAFB by a JIT of Pakistani ISI et al was the height though the airbase was covered with tarpaulin etc. Sharm-el-Sheik pales before that.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Apr 2016 17:45

Falijee wrote:Badmash Sharif Lampooned As A Sucker
Mystery artist draws Nawaz Sharif holding a penis and sucking money out of it in the recent wake of Panama Leaks

Faleejee Ji :

Herewith a much more Artistic depiction of Nawaz playing the Snake Charmers' Musical Instrument:
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=57BFA909

Cheers

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 07 Apr 2016 17:49

SSridhar wrote:
The access to PAFB by a JIT of Pakistani ISI et al was the height though the airbase was covered with tarpaulin etc. Sharm-el-Sheik pales before that.

I will say this - Modi is scoring self goals after self goals. From being taken for a royal ride by the Pakis to losing the perception battle in the country. We ripped apart MMS on Sharm-el-sheikh but not a squeak about Modi on inviting an ISI team on an Indian AFB and then allowing them to piss on our face and smirk. How we were rejoicing and expecting 15 years of BJP rule from 2014, now retaining 200 seats in 2019 looks tough if he keeps on doing the Manmohan act.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Apr 2016 17:51

Full text:
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... -talks-jk/

Ladies and Gentlemen,

There shouldn’t be any doubt that Pakistan wants to have a normal and peaceful relationship with India on the basis of sovereign equality and mutual interest. There is national consensus on this in Pakistan.

However, there is no shortcut to achieving a lasting peace. Nor does cherry-picking work. What we need is to engage uninterruptedly, comprehensively, and meaningfully.

Let’s be realistic. It is the Jammu & Kashmir dispute that is the root cause of mutual distrust and other bilateral issues. Therefore, it’s fair and just resolution, as per the aspirations of the people of Jammu & Kashmir, is imperative. Attempts to put it on the back burner will be counterproductive.

It is high time to break the carapace of complacency and dispense with self-serving approaches.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The recent arrest of Kulbhushan Yadav in Pakistan irrefutably corroborates what Pakistan has been saying all along. We all are aware of those who seek to create unrest in Pakistan and destabilize the country. They are bound to fail as the people of Pakistan are united to effectively counter anti-Pakistan subversive activities.

In the last one month, our authorities have arrested scores of terror operatives with foreign linkages. The presence of such elements is quite disturbing to say the least.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Pakistan is confidently moving forward.

The Zarb-e-Azb operation against terrorism and militancy is yielding good results. Our economy is also showing signs of recovery. Macro-economic indicators are encouraging. There is special emphasis on infrastructure development and energy projects. With growing foreign investments the overall economic situation is steadily improving.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif strongly believes in enhancing regional cooperation and connectivity. However, a strong regional cooperative structure cannot be built on unpredictable bilateral relations. We need to move on all fronts simultaneously if we are to benefit from the opportunities unleashed by globalization.

The 19th SAARC Summit will be held in Islamabad in November this year. We sincerely hope the Summit, building on the past achievements, would help create more synergies and win-win situations.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Pakistan is an important member of the international community. Our contributions in developing non-discriminatory and effective multilateral frameworks, ranging from security to economic cooperation to human rights issues are recognized the world over.

It is in this spirit, Pakistan continues to be one of the largest troop contributing countries to UN peacekeeping missions around the world.

Pakistan, a country of 200 million people, is blessed with enormous resources. We have begun our march towards stability and prosperity. Nothing can detract us from realizing our potential.

Let me conclude by saying that Pakistan straddles South Asia, Central Asia and West Asia. Our country is therefore destined to become a regional economic hub. And the world will see this happening sooner than later.

Thank you very much once again for inviting me to the FCC. I look forward to an interesting discussion.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Apr 2016 18:02

Manish_P wrote:And we can do out bit to contribute by buying some Solahs and Athras

Manish_P Ji :

By India buying the Solahs and Athras Uncle Sam will make huge profits thereby subsidizing the Gifts to Cwapistan.

Cheers

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 07 Apr 2016 18:14

Peregrine wrote:
Falijee wrote:Badmash Sharif Lampooned As A Sucker
Mystery artist draws Nawaz Sharif holding a penis and sucking money out of it in the recent wake of Panama Leaks
Faleejee Ji :

Herewith a much more Artistic depiction of Nawaz playing the Snake Charmers' Musical Instrument:
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=57BFA909

Cheers

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A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Apr 2016 18:15

Chandragupta wrote: I will say this - Modi is scoring self goals after self goals. From being taken for a royal ride by the Pakis to losing the perception battle in the country. We ripped apart MMS on Sharm-el-sheikh but not a squeak about Modi on inviting an ISI team on an Indian AFB and then allowing them to piss on our face and smirk. How we were rejoicing and expecting 15 years of BJP rule from 2014, now retaining 200 seats in 2019 looks tough if he keeps on doing the Manmohan act.

Just curious, apart from Pakistani self-satisfaction, what has been given away or lost?
Abdul Basit's statement is full of bravado, see what the Chinese are saying:
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/977523.shtml
"The article was compiled by Global Times reporter Li Aixin based on an interview with Zhao Gancheng, director of South Asia Studies at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies."

Currently, the China-funded constructions in Pakistan cannot serve as a strong foothold for China, given the calamitous state of Pakistan's security. Sri Lanka can be of great importance for China in the security strategic layout in Indian Ocean. It will not only provide security assurances for nearby navigation channels, but will also promote the 21st Maritime Silk Road.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 07 Apr 2016 18:17

SSridhar wrote:Pakistani High Commissioner in New Delhi Press meet:

Peace process, Comprehensive dialogue stopped
India is not ready for peace
There is no question of reciprocity for NIA to visit Pakistan
Onus is on India to restart the process
Absolutely expected behaviour.

GoI said it could not go by rumours and it needs feedback from GoP and it has been delivered today, that too very publicly. I am not even sure if Basit took MEA into confidence before saying all that or wanted to rub salt into Indian wounds by conveying it through a press meet. Most probably, the latter.

We can debate for days on what could have prompted STFU-TSP to pull the rug from under Modi's feet, but Modi knowingly took a big risk.

The trouble is we are repeatedly going through the same cycle under pressure from the US after every terror attack and Pakistan easily deflects the situation because it is a street rowdy, unmindful of consequences, while we are not. In the process, we waste our energy, efforts and earn the ridicule. Yes, ridicule because the world would come to the conclusion that India is a piece of sponge willing to soak up body blow after body blow without having the guts to retaliate.

The access to PAFB by a JIT of Pakistani ISI et al was the height though the airbase was covered with tarpaulin etc. Sharm-el-Sheik pales before that.

+ 100. I was a die hard BJP and Modi supporter. So was my dad. Was is the operative word. We all feel very let down.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Apr 2016 18:21

Chandragupta wrote:
I will say this - Modi is scoring self goals after self goals. From being taken for a royal ride by the Pakis to losing the perception battle in the country. We ripped apart MMS on Sharm-el-sheikh but not a squeak about Modi on inviting an ISI team on an Indian AFB and then allowing them to piss on our face and smirk. How we were rejoicing and expecting 15 years of BJP rule from 2014, now retaining 200 seats in 2019 looks tough if he keeps on doing the Manmohan act.

My take is that through this kind of a "humiliation" of ModiJi, they hope that is weakened so drastically at home, that Sonia Gandhi will come to power and they will get a more favorable negotiating partner. I put humiliation in quotes because in any other country, it will be TSP that will be pilloried, but now, Congoons and other traitors will go after ModiJi. Whether this will weaken ModiJi internally that BJP will be trounced in 2019 is something we will have to see and in any case, not the topic of this thread.

Having said that, it is ModiJi and ModiJi alone to blame for this fiasco. His initial red lines on harried rats and terror was the correct approach. He should have set benchmarks on 26/11, and said that unless 26/11 is addressed, no engagement, and even if engagement resumes, only under these red lines.

But gradually, ModiJi was subjected to lots of pushes and pulls, and he gradually diluted those positions and became MMS redux. Shameful to see India in this position after the initial robust BSF response to TSP provocations along the LoC, showing the Harried rats their place etc.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Apr 2016 18:31

December 5, 2014, Pakistan Attack on Army Camp in Uri, Baramulla district in J&K - 11 security personnel killed

January 2, 2016, Pakistan Attack on Pathankot Airforce Base in Gurdaspur district in Punjab - 7 security personnel and 1 civilian killed

Both attacks under NaMo's watch have gone unanswered! Modi wanted to give "benefit of the doubt" to Pak, perhaps for international audience or perhaps for own satisfaction. Well that process has come to its logical end and along expected lines.

There isn't really that much more room for wavering posture.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 07 Apr 2016 18:41

CRamS wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:
I will say this - Modi is scoring self goals after self goals. From being taken for a royal ride by the Pakis to losing the perception battle in the country. We ripped apart MMS on Sharm-el-sheikh but not a squeak about Modi on inviting an ISI team on an Indian AFB and then allowing them to piss on our face and smirk. How we were rejoicing and expecting 15 years of BJP rule from 2014, now retaining 200 seats in 2019 looks tough if he keeps on doing the Manmohan act.
My take is that through this kind of a "humiliation" of ModiJi, they hope that is weakened so drastically at home, that Sonia Gandhi will come to power and they will get a more favorable negotiating partner. I put humiliation in quotes because in any other country, it will be TSP that will be pilloried, but now, Congoons and other traitors will go after ModiJi. Whether this will weaken ModiJi internally that BJP will be trounced in 2019 is something we will have to see and in any case, not the topic of this thread.

Having said that, it is ModiJi and ModiJi alone to blame for this fiasco. His initial red lines on harried rats and terror was the correct approach. He should have set benchmarks on 26/11, and said that unless 26/11 is addressed, no engagement, and even if engagement resumes, only under these red lines.

But gradually, ModiJi was subjected to lots of pushes and pulls, and he gradually diluted those positions and became MMS redux. Shameful to see India in this position after the initial robust BSF response to TSP provocations along the LoC, showing the Harried rats their place etc.

He can still get his spine back. Launch 7-10 near simultaneous ferocious attacks across LOC targeting Pak forward posts and BATs. We have done this off and on right for years. Instruct Northern Command to keep destroying targets of opportunity at regular intervals with a specific emphasis on
targeting senior officers. Pak officers sometimes keep their begums with them on forward posts...if some casualties happen there, even better.

Bring up medium guns from Strike Corps to LOC and launch long barrages.

This will hurt them where it matters - Pak army and they will know that a there is a new game in town.

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 07 Apr 2016 18:43

Akshay Kapoor wrote: + 100. I was a die hard BJP and Modi supporter. So was my dad. Was is the operative word. We all feel very let down.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't! What did you want the government to do? Make some bombastic statements like they do in an election rally? This time, the paqees have themselves taken steps to stopping the dialogue, while India comes across as having done its bit. This is the end result we all wanted didn't we, instead of something like 'uninterrupted and uninterruptable' dialogue process? Give us a break from this self flagellation.

The access to PAFB by a JIT of Pakistani ISI et al was the height though the airbase was covered with tarpaulin etc. Sharm-el-Sheik pales before that.

SS ji, please. Such a comparison is acerbic, undeserving, demoralizing and mocks those worthy people in the government, present and past, who are tirelessly working for India's security. I admire your deep knowledge in paquee affairs. But please suggest what you wanted the government to do, and what were our options.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 07 Apr 2016 18:45

^^^^ Zero chance of that happening. At the first inkling of Modi contemplating such an action we will see the likes of Murthy, Premji and other assorted IT-Vity Billionaires say Aiyo dont do it or our contracts will be in danger and Log kya kahenge?

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 07 Apr 2016 18:47

Don't be ridiculous Prashanth. You are talking like the ignorant pacifists, Rajdeeps, Barkhas

What bloody dialogue ?? And why bloody dialogue ? For who's benefit ?We dont need dialogue. We need action.

I am shocked to see such stupidity on BR.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 07 Apr 2016 18:50

Vipul wrote:^^^^ Zero chance of that happening. At the first inkling of Modi contemplating such an action we will see the likes of Murthy, Premji and other assorted IT-Vity Billionaires say Aiyo dont do it or our contracts will be in danger and Log kya kahenge?

I am not talking about all out war or even air strikes but doing in bigger numbers what we sometimes do. I have posted a couple of instances of this over the years and so have other posters. This can be done with no consequences.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 07 Apr 2016 18:53

prashanth wrote:..
Damned if you do, damned if you don't! What did you want the government to do? Make some bombastic statements like they do in an election rally? This time, the paqees have themselves taken steps to stopping the dialogue, while India comes across as having done its bit. This is the end result we all wanted didn't we, instead of something like 'uninterrupted and uninterruptable' dialogue process? Give us a break from this self flagellation.

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With due respect and with no intention of getting in a post vs post altercation, that end result was what you wanted. It may not be what I wanted or what others wanted.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Apr 2016 19:06

Modi has only done what our secular nation and polity have demanded. Uninterrupted and uninterruptible talks. Where is the problem? You know this is a useless thing. I know this is a useless thing. Maybe even Modi knows it. But how many Indians realise that warmongering sanghi rightwingers and RSS stooge Modi were perfectly right in their pre-election assessment of Pakistan and that their actions now, in contrast to what they said is a useless exercise?

OK I wanted war. You wanted war. But how many Indians really agree with you and me about imposing war on Pakistan? Call him a coward. Call him a fraud. Call him a closet Congress agent. But what has he actually done?

He has extended the hand of friendship to Pakistan. What has Pakistan done? Said fu(k you to Modi.

What did Pakistan say to the Sonia-Mousemohan govt? They said the same thing. Fu(k you.

What did the Congress recommend? Uninterruptible peace talks

What does Congress expect from Modi? War. And his actions have belied what they hoped and expected. He has done the Congress thing. Uninterrupted dialog. Have you heard Mani Shankar Aiyer complaining? have you heard Kuldip Nayar complaining?

What will war started by Modi get the Congress? How many Modi promises will come crashing down if he starts a war? Whom will that help? War was not an election promise. Punishment of aggression was a promise though. One promise (or demand) of Modi is Congress mukt Bharat. I am hoping that this goes some way in helping that cause in taking the wind out of Congress sails that continuing peace process with Pakistan is the way forward

Modi has been lucky in a sense. The terror attacks on India have been relatively "mild". Vajpayee sat it out after the Parilament attack. Italian Saree sepoy sat it out after Mumbai. What did we want from Modi? War. What does Congress expect from Modi. War.

What will Modi do? He will not get into a war from which he cannot get out without tangible victory. Wake me up if I am wrong.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 07 Apr 2016 19:15

No Shiv ji, war is not what we want or more specifically I don't want a war which we can start but not finish with objectives achieved.

What Modi has done is invite the Pakis over to India, take them to Pathankot AFB and show them over. Why? To be given a reply that he knew would come?

If we can't hit them, we can at least stop turning the other cheek.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Apr 2016 19:27

wadi wrote:Sixth generation biological warfare unleashed on Pakis in a joint CIA/RAW/Mossad operation. Modi also involved.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/as-giant-rats-menace-pakistan-conspiracy-theories-swirl/2016/04/05/48332714-f779-11e5-958d-d038dac6e718_story.html?postshare=901459969953457&tid=ss_fb.

Wadi-ji:

The WAPOS Journo obviously did not do "due diligence" on his interesting news piece, otherwise he would have surely included this:

Police foils bid to smuggle DEAD RATS from Punjab to Peshawar

The extent to what the Aam Abduls will do in Bhooka Nanga Pakistan to make a living and collect the Rat Bounty of Rs 25.