Levant crisis - III

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby IndraD » 19 Dec 2016 18:54

JE Menon wrote:http://swarajyamag.com/world/what-the-retaking-of-aleppo-means

A take on the situation in Syria and implications


He has maintained a very strict secular line consistently, which is one of the reasons why the army (majority Sunni) stayed loyal despite inducements, and why he has Christians and other sects fighting on his side.


Good guys? Bashar Al Assad and Vladimir Putin? Yes. In the Syrian theatre, these are the good guys. The democracies of Europe and the Obama administration lost the plot completely, after themselves initially plotting to overthrow the regime of Assad. They surrendered the moral high ground long ago in Syria, and did so to the very same groups they were bombing and droning in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Suresh S » 19 Dec 2016 19:05

India needs to improve indigenization and develop as much composite national power as possible on all fronts. nobody is our permanent friend.

That is the absolute key to everything singha, well said.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby habal » 19 Dec 2016 19:18

Bhurishravas wrote:When Russian soldiers are captured in Ukraine, they are paraded on all media channels.
When `NATO officers` are captured, everyone including Assad and Putin help Washington hide their identities.
Really?!


the minutes of this meeting have not been revealed to outside world.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12 ... ed-aleppo/
why are france & germany of all people suddenly in a twist 3 days ago ?

regarding not making public identity of NATO advisors.
It could be leverage in case of future misbehaviour. Eventually the truth will come out.
also maybe Russia doesn't want to humilitate it's European counterparts, because they may have to work closely in future.

but if this is true a lot of Russia fans would be deeply disappointed for sure.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Lilo » 19 Dec 2016 19:26

JE Menon wrote:http://swarajyamag.com/world/what-the-retaking-of-aleppo-means

A take on the situation in Syria and implications

Nice analysis JEM saar,
But truly independent elections in Syria will inevitably throw up an Islamist regime.Muslim brotherhood's win in Egypt is a good example.
To keep a semblance of stability in any Arab nation the proven way is through a religiously "secular" yet "tribal" dictator equally oppressive on all the plebeians or equally benevolent.
Although thats a truth not suited for printing.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby IndraD » 19 Dec 2016 22:38

Russian ambassador is shot and seriously wounded in Turkey

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby IndraD » 19 Dec 2016 22:42

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Russian ambassador on floor after being shot

gunman shouted 'We die in Aleppo, you die here' during art exhibition in Turkey

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4TIxB1uem

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby IndraD » 19 Dec 2016 22:44

According to media reports Ru ambassador has died .
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Attacker neutralised by police.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby IndraD » 19 Dec 2016 23:13

#Russian ambassador to #Turkey was killed by the Turkish policeman

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bheeshma » 19 Dec 2016 23:22

Time to take out turkey itself. I doubt it was US or anyone else. Maybe Constantinople will return to christians sooner than thought.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 19 Dec 2016 23:27

Seems like Security at the exhibition center was not so great where a gun man can just enter and kill the ambassador

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby maxratul » 19 Dec 2016 23:31

I see many on twitter compare this to 1914, but there is little incentive for any of the parties to go to war or escalate now. Well, of course there will be more airstrikes on these Nusra people, but the Russians are finding out the meaning of the phrase 'Non State Actor" now.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby IndraD » 19 Dec 2016 23:35

Austin wrote:Seems like Security at the exhibition center was not so great where a gun man can just enter and kill the ambassador

he is a policeman. More details to follow, if he was stationed on duty or not. But for sure police is infiltrated by radicals and mixed with sunni crowd is is how they could overcome military coup

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 19 Dec 2016 23:35

CNN is justifying the killing by comparing to the atrocities of Russia and Iran in Allepo and how millions of muslims in the world are offended by it.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 19 Dec 2016 23:37

The gunman has been identified as a Turkish police officer, Ankara mayor Melih Gokcek said, according to AFP

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 19 Dec 2016 23:41

The radicalisation of turkish people will be under focus now. Till now, Turkey was secular and only Erdogan was Islamist. Islamist Erdogan has been winning because Turkish population is also radicalised to a large extent.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby IndraD » 19 Dec 2016 23:43

Nothing will change on ground, may be some behind the scene meetings with Turkey- Ru envoy, that is all, this is a critical juncture in war in Syria and Putin is looking for a way out (political solutions) .

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 19 Dec 2016 23:51

^^There will be more phone calls between macho Putin and coward Erdogan.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 19 Dec 2016 23:57

habal wrote:
Bhurishravas wrote:When Russian soldiers are captured in Ukraine, they are paraded on all media channels.
When `NATO officers` are captured, everyone including Assad and Putin help Washington hide their identities.
Really?!


the minutes of this meeting have not been revealed to outside world.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12 ... ed-aleppo/
why are france & germany of all people suddenly in a twist 3 days ago ?

regarding not making public identity of NATO advisors.
It could be leverage in case of future misbehaviour. Eventually the truth will come out.
also maybe Russia doesn't want to humilitate it's European counterparts, because they may have to work closely in future.

but if this is true a lot of Russia fans would be deeply disappointed for sure.


Please find the videos of the security council meetings here -
http://webtv.un.org/meetings-events/security-council/

Do let us know if you find anything on "NATO officers caught in Aleppo".

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 20 Dec 2016 00:01

"That policeman who shot the ambassador is a PKK or FETO member" - Erdogan.
Problem solved.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby IndraD » 20 Dec 2016 00:02

Shooting near US Embassy in Ankara after Russian ambassador to Turkey shot, killed ‒ reports
RT

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 20 Dec 2016 00:06

The assailant is identified as Mevlüt Mert Altıntaş who is a police officer from Ankara.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby TSJones » 20 Dec 2016 00:10

turkey officialdom will apologize and russia/putin will accomodate.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rishi Verma » 20 Dec 2016 00:12

IndraD wrote:
Austin wrote:Seems like Security at the exhibition center was not so great where a gun man can just enter and kill the ambassador

he is a policeman. More details to follow, if he was stationed on duty or not. But for sure police is infiltrated by radicals and mixed with sunni crowd is is how they could overcome military coup


Not unlike Mumtaz Qadri, now if the lawyers start cheering him when he is brought to court will be interesting to watch.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby darshhan » 20 Dec 2016 00:13

Obama had recently stated that he will take revenge at his time and place of "SUPPOSED" russian hacking to influence potus elections.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 20 Dec 2016 00:18

darshhan wrote:Obama had recently stated that he will take revenge at his time and place of "SUPPOSED" russian hacking to influence potus elections.

Now if only macho Putin has the balls to say the same thing. Or is he good only for photoshoots.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby TSJones » 20 Dec 2016 00:22

the nato officer that arranged this should be ashamed of himself.....

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 20 Dec 2016 00:24

^^And should also release his own picture before Washington and Ankara and Moscow cover it up.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby TSJones » 20 Dec 2016 00:29

I lay this squarely at the feet of the new york times and the darkened eiffle tower.....

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 20 Dec 2016 00:40

Angry Putin(the macho chessmaster) has decided to start charging ISD call rates to Erdogan for those phone calls henceforth.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby darshhan » 20 Dec 2016 01:14

obama threatens russia

US President Barack Obama has warned that his government “will take action” against Russia for cyber attacks during the November 8 elections for allegedly interfering with the results.

“I think there is no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections…we need to take action, Obama said during an interview, Efe news reported on Friday.

“And we will – at a time and place of our own choosing. Some of it may be explicit and publicised; some of it may not be,” he added.



Man that sure was fast. If americans actually orchestrated it.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby nachiket » 20 Dec 2016 01:28

Bhurishravas wrote:
darshhan wrote:Obama had recently stated that he will take revenge at his time and place of "SUPPOSED" russian hacking to influence potus elections.

Now if only macho Putin has the balls to say the same thing. Or is he good only for photoshoots.

So I guess you agree that the Americans orchestrated this? Otherwise what would be the point of Putin saying anything?

Murdering diplomats is a slippery slope. I presume American diplomats don't want to find themselves facing bulgarian umbrella tips in the near future. Wonder how you will react when it is an American diplomat on the receiving end. Somehow I doubt your reaction was to make stupid jokes when the American ambassador to Libya was killed after bringing piss and democracy to Libya.
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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Vashishtha » 20 Dec 2016 01:31

“At a time and place of own chosing“?

We shouldve bought the copyrights to that line. Revenue opportunity wasted.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 20 Dec 2016 01:48

nachiket wrote:
Bhurishravas wrote:Now if only macho Putin has the balls to say the same thing. Or is he good only for photoshoots.

So I guess you agree that the Americans orchestrated this? Otherwise what would be the point of Putin saying anything?

Murdering diplomats is a slippery slope. I presume American diplomats don't want to find themselves facing bulgarian umbrella tips in the near future. Wonder how you will react when it is an American diplomat on the receiving end. Somehow I doubt your reaction was to make stupid jokes when the American ambassador to Libya was killed after bringing piss and democracy to Libya.


For the umpteenth time,
Everyone who does not buy the `roos so good` and `Putin so macho` theory does not necessarily become an America supporter. What one finds stupid is rather relative. My comment was a reply to something that I found rather stupid as I do your post too.
Like many many roos lovers here on this thread, You seem bheri sensitive too.
Trying to insinuate American hand behind a murder committed some hours ago without proof or logic is not just stupid. Its boorish.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby LokeshC » 20 Dec 2016 01:52

Turkey is the new Bakistan. More islam is the only solution. Turkey will soon join Bakistan in being the IT export leader of the world.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby nachiket » 20 Dec 2016 01:55

Bhurishravas wrote:For the umpteenth time,
Everyone who does not buy the `roos so good` and `Putin so macho` theory does not necessarily become an America supporter. What one finds stupid is rather relative. My comment was a reply to something that I found rather stupid as I do your post too.

Like many many roos lovers here on this thread, You seem bheri sensitive too.

Trying to insinuate American hand behind a murder committed some hours ago without proof or logic is not just stupid. Its boorish.

This is hilarious. You don't become an America supporter just by not falling for "roos is good" or whatever. But in the same post you call me a "roos lover" because.... I called you out for making jokes about the Russian ambassador's murder. I don't buy the "putin is a macho mastermind" rhetoric either. But you seem to think anyone on this thread who doesn't agree with you is a "roos lover". Practice what you preach sir!

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bhurishravas » 20 Dec 2016 02:02

^^ Well done. You win. Congratulations.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Bheeshma » 20 Dec 2016 02:54

Lets see how quickly the payback comes.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Dec 2016 03:34

Bhurishravas wrote:Angry Putin(the macho chessmaster) has decided to start charging ISD call rates to Erdogan for those phone calls henceforth.


Now revealed: Russian Ambassador died of heart failure induced by Putin's KGB assasins putting something in his Stolichnaya. Also they hacked his PaceMaker. Policeman with gun nearby was calling for help. From Al*** of course.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby TSJones » 20 Dec 2016 03:36

Captured NATO soldiers are going to be in a heap of trouble now.....


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