Levant crisis - III

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 16 Mar 2018 01:45

Parasu wrote:
His two most memorable moments occurred when an unidentified aircraft parachuted food and water supplies, and when the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) rescued the Yazidis at Sinjar, exchanging gunfire with Daesh fighters and opening a path for Yazidis to escape.
“Without the PKK, we might have died at Sinjar,” Jalal says. The majority of interviewees at Sharya Camp echoed his sentiment.
https://www.fairobserver.com/region/mid ... sis-42300/

The only ones who fought to save the Yazidis, now being sold down the river by Russia and Amreeka.
And Roos-rakshaks here are`supporting` their persecution by appropriately timed reminders of how Kurds had been complicit in genocides themselves centuries ago, right after Russia made a deal with jihadi Erdogan.
And by mocking their resistance to fight off the jihadi hordes supported by Putin to defend their women and children.
Amazing!!!

Obviously the Russians would have loved to join Team America in saving the Kurds in exchange for US dropping regime change. But the Americans steadfastly refused, for years, to do the right thing. The US had an opportunity to embrace a bold new strategy in the ME, dropping the Saudi bloc and the Zionist lobby, while warming up to Iran, Syria, and Russia. That would have been the morally correct and, in the long run, strategically superior course of action. The US could have regained its credibility as well.

But the Americans are intent on doing the Jews’ bidding, which also means serving the Saudi agenda. And so we have absurdity like Russia backing Turkey when it historically would be loathe to do.

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 16 Mar 2018 03:47

Y. Kanan wrote: Obviously the Russians would have loved to join Team America in saving the Kurds in exchange for US dropping regime change. But the Americans steadfastly refused, for years, to do the right thing. The US had an opportunity to embrace a bold new strategy in the ME, dropping the Saudi bloc and the Zionist lobby, while warming up to Iran, Syria, and Russia. That would have been the morally correct and, in the long run, strategically superior course of action. The US could have regained its credibility as well.

But the Americans are intent on doing the Jews’ bidding, which also means serving the Saudi agenda. And so we have absurdity like Russia backing Turkey when it historically would be loathe to do.

Let me understand. So, Russia does wrong things because America forces it to do so. Like Russia somehow got forced to make a deal with Erdogan?! Well, Russia is also getting forced to back Taliban in Afghanistan, it seems.
And of course, America does it because it is evil. That is obvious.

By the way, Russia and America had actually joined hands a year ago to protect the Kurds. But in January this year, great Russia acted too smart for its skin and tried to double cross Americans and the Kurds by making an underhand deal with Erdogan. Thats the reason why `oh so innocent Russians !` dont cut no ice with non roos-rakshaks, you see.

Russia had a great opportunity to embrace a bold new strategy in the ME, drop supporting undemocratic tyrants and support democratic regimes. That would have been the morally correct course of action. Putin could have regained his credibility as well.
But Putin is a tinpot dictator who changes his countries constitution to stay in power. He cant support no democracy.

Also, you seem to have some serious grudge against the jews. Not Israel but jews. Almost like a figure from another religion we know of. Very odd.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 16 Mar 2018 05:15

Parasu wrote:Russia had a great opportunity to embrace a bold new strategy in the ME, drop supporting undemocratic tyrants and support democratic regimes. That would have been the morally correct course of action. Putin could have regained his credibility as well.
But Putin is a tinpot dictator who changes his countries constitution to stay in power. He cant support no democracy.

Yes it's too bad Putin got in the way of all that democracy. The rest of Syria could have benefited immensely. Look how wonderful it was for those Syrians living under the benevolence of ISIS, Al-Nusra and pals.

Also, you seem to have some serious grudge against the jews. Not Israel but jews. Almost like a figure from another religion we know of. Very odd.

My goodness; I didn't realize what a potent social justice warrior you are. I have clearly underestimated you. And now, you have delivered the coup-de-grace by comparing me to Hitler! I am rendered helpless by your political correctness. You win. Argument over. Sorry mods no more thread derails, at least from me.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Mar 2018 16:20

RT carrying live feed of Civilians leaving E. Ghouta via humanitarian corridors

https://www.rt.com/on-air/421467-civili ... rn-ghouta/

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 16 Mar 2018 17:08

Y. Kanan wrote: And now, you have delivered the coup-de-grace by comparing me to Hitler!

Compared you to hitler.

Nope, I didnt.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Mar 2018 19:02

Iraq.The US, the world's most powerful democracy, superpower, and the UK, the mother of parliament's, faked " evidence" of Saddam's non-existant WMDs, destroyed a nation, the cradle of civilisation of this epoch of human history, that gave us our first laws, etc.(remember Hammurabi?) killed, wounded and displaced millions, raped, tortured and killed Iraqi men, women and children ( remember the concentration camps of Abu Ghraib?) , rendition flights of suspects to overseas torture camps..Camp Gitmo still exists too!.

Anyway, these great " democratic" nations wanted regime change in Syria so their good bumchums the Wahaabi Saudis could build their pipeline to the Meditt. through Syria so that they could supply Europe with their oil, apart from stealing Syria's vast oil and gas reserves that the Norwegians found, far greater than Kuwait's!

Thus ISIS, perhaps the most evil force ever created by man , was born, with the Wahaabi Saudis and West as midwives to do their dirty work across Iraq, Syria and prevent the Shiite majority in Iraq from gaining their legitimate status and power.We had the tamasha of Western attacks against ISIS , which was one part of the two-pronged strategy of doing away with Assad.The other prong being the so-called Syrian rebels, who were a motley bunch of mercenaries in the main with a handful of Syrians, which Fisk said could be counted on the fingers of one hand!

Putin had Russia's legitimate interests to look after, his naval base at Tartus and Meditt. presence.The conspiracy hatched in Washington, London and Riyadh to overthrow a democratically elected Assad, like the UKR govt. Zoverthrown by right- wing fascists with the overt help of EU politicos, Bidens et al, had to be put in its place as well as the charade of eliminating ISIS.Using a small core of Russia's tri-service mil. capability, Putin has in just 2 years sent not just ISIS packing but also the " feku" rebels of western origin, CIA operatives et all, to the dismay of the Soothis,Gulfie Sunnis, and soothsayers in Washington!

Hats off to Putin.He has dealt Islamic fundamentalism a lethal blow.The Europeans and NATO must secretly be thanking him for doing so as the EU has been overrun by " rapist refugees", ask Merkel how many thousands of German women have been raped by Islamic refugees and how many Islamic run no-go zones are in existance in the EU.If not for Putin the ME....Oh! I forgot to mention what the fu*king "democrats" of the US, UK, France and co.did to Libya, where Gadhaffi defanged himself of WMDs, only to be betrayed by the " democrats" who butchered him!

Western civilisation if it survives the hordes of Islam will in large measure have to acknowledge the signal efforts of Putin.He sorted the Chechens out too.So if the West needs an Islamic fundoo "exterminator", just knock at the Kremlin door and ask for Vlad-the-Bad Putin.All the Brits are capable of is poisoning ex-Ru spies after they've squeezed all the juice out of them and asininely tried to blame Putin! He has bigger and more important tasks to do like protecting Russia and Western civilisation from the Islamic invasion, not unlike that of Genghiz Khan centuries ago and the repeated attempts by the Muslims in history to conquer Europe.

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 16 Mar 2018 19:11

What legitimate interests prompted Putin to make a deal with Erdogan?!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Mar 2018 19:24

Access to the Meditt. through the Bosphorous for the Ru navy guaranteed by intl. conventions, but stopped if both nations go to war with each other. Weakening NATO's influence on Turkey, and preventing Turkey from his cleaning up of Syria.Remember that the Sultan's son was doing shady oil smuggling deals with ISIS! We are in the midst of the end game in Syria.The Sultan will overstretch himself, the Turds will regroup and be his diabetic sore until he is either overthrown or despatched with the customary accompanying firework display.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Mar 2018 19:39

#strongmove

keel laid of turkeys first juan carlos class LHD

https://turkishnavy.net/2018/02/11/the- ... u-is-laid/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Mar 2018 19:46

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Mar 2018 20:35

https://twitter.com/MHJournalist/status ... 1769378816

turkish bombs on afrin, the aftermath of a raid...

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 16 Mar 2018 22:21

Philip wrote:Access to the Meditt. through the Bosphorous for the Ru navy guaranteed by intl. conventions, but stopped if both nations go to war with each other. Weakening NATO's influence on Turkey, and preventing Turkey from his cleaning up of Syria.Remember that the Sultan's son was doing shady oil smuggling deals with ISIS! We are in the midst of the end game in Syria.

Geopolitics basically.
By this logic every action of America can be justified as well.
No Russian base was threatened. No threat to bosporus either.

The Sultan will overstretch himself, the Turds will regroup and be his diabetic sore until he is either overthrown or despatched with the customary accompanying firework display.

That is wishful thinking and poor attempt to justify a stupid deal.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 16 Mar 2018 23:38

Parasu wrote:
Y. Kanan wrote: And now, you have delivered the coup-de-grace by comparing me to Hitler!
Compared you to hitler.
Nope, I didnt.

Hitler... Muhammad ... trouble is they have so much in common...

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Mar 2018 09:27

Parasu wrote:What legitimate interests prompted Putin to make a deal with Erdogan?!

Its more like the other way round , The coup by Gülen movement and when US refused to hand over the leader based in US , Turkey accused the then Obama admin of instigating the coup , then came the support to kurd with the fear of it having independent state something Turkey along with Iran , Syria , Iraq opposes it , plus other smaller but important event. It was no one factor but a combination of multiple factor , then Putin saw it was in his interest that Turkey either remain a neutral player or on its side. Turkey too saw that working with Russia would give it a hedge against the West , went ahead with deals like S-400 , Turkish Stream-2 , Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant with credit provided by Russia etc

Turkey rapprochement with Russia has more to do with Turkey break down in relation with West what Turkey sees as interfering in its core national interest then Russia doing any thing special for that to happen

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Mar 2018 11:42

Jaish al islam fired a osa sam at mi17 near douma but it escaped and landed with crew safe. Could be damaged some

3 osa sam systems remain hidden with his formation

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Mar 2018 13:34

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/stat ... 95649?s=20

it seems suleiman shaheen the leader of the shaheen group of tiger forces , a outspoken and honest man who does not keep quiet about corruption was jailed for 45 days recently after yet another episode where he spoke out about corrupt top elements in the army lining their pockets

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Mar 2018 14:36

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 17 Mar 2018 14:43

Austin wrote:
Parasu wrote:What legitimate interests prompted Putin to make a deal with Erdogan?!
Its more like the other way round , The coup by Gülen movement and when US refused to hand over the leader based in US , Turkey accused the then Obama admin of instigating the coup , then came the support to kurd with the fear of it having independent state something Turkey along with Iran , Syria , Iraq opposes it , plus other smaller but important event. It was no one factor but a combination of multiple factor , then Putin saw it was in his interest that Turkey either remain a neutral player or on its side. Turkey too saw that working with Russia would give it a hedge against the West , went ahead with deals like S-400 , Turkish Stream-2 , Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant with credit provided by Russia etc

Turkey rapprochement with Russia has more to do with Turkey break down in relation with West what Turkey sees as interfering in its core national interest then Russia doing any thing special for that to happen

Yeah, Putin the great chess player thought he would wean Turkey away from NATO by giving Erdogan Afrin. In the end, Erdogan has got Afrin. And may get more from Amreeka and also stays in NATO. Just because Putin thought Erdogan`s hot air against Amreeka was real.
Long live great genius policy of Putin. Roos-rakshaks should simply admit that Pootin got played. Why is that so tough?!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Mar 2018 15:51

Nice cartoon Singha. Western media are conspicuous by their absence when they flatten Iraqi and Syrian towns and cities killing thousands upon thousands. The global street no longer believes in western feku news , as they have regional and intl. alternatives like All-that- Jazz and RT for example.

The Sultan is spreading his legs too far, just wait for his fall.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Mar 2018 17:49

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Mar 2018 18:18

Good clip.What was revealing was thd rich farmland and good farm buildings.As they say, a picture speaks a thousand words.This one true battlefield clip was worth 100 BBC feku ones.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Mar 2018 08:10

The eastern part of ghouta has good farms whose output was confiscated and then distributed rebels after they had eaten their fill

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Mar 2018 08:15

Southfront

n March 17, Russian air defense systems in the Hmeimim airbase, near the coastal city of Jableh, targeted an unidentified aerial object northwest of the airbase, over the Mediterranean sea, with at least two missiles, according to Syrian pro-government activists.

The activists said that the aerial object had been shot down and suggested that it might had been an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). However, the Ministry of Defense of Russia has not provided any information about the incident yet.

Experts believe that the Russian Pantsir-S1 short to medium range surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery system was used to shoot down the aerial object.

According to media reports, the Pantsir-S1 was previously used to shot down a US-made RQ-21A Blackjack UAV near the Russian naval base in Tartus city on May 27, 2017.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Mar 2018 08:34

vanessa beeley
@VanessaBeeley
It is reported - "Militants from radical groups Faylaq al-Rahman have cut their ties with the Tahrir al-Sham terrorist organization with the aim to leave Eastern #Ghouta. Ready to negotiate wth Russia, in Geneva" Eastern #Ghouta via Sophie Mangal.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Mar 2018 10:43

Parasu wrote:
Austin wrote:
Its more like the other way round , The coup by Gülen movement and when US refused to hand over the leader based in US , Turkey accused the then Obama admin of instigating the coup , then came the support to kurd with the fear of it having independent state something Turkey along with Iran , Syria , Iraq opposes it , plus other smaller but important event. It was no one factor but a combination of multiple factor , then Putin saw it was in his interest that Turkey either remain a neutral player or on its side. Turkey too saw that working with Russia would give it a hedge against the West , went ahead with deals like S-400 , Turkish Stream-2 , Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant with credit provided by Russia etc

Turkey rapprochement with Russia has more to do with Turkey break down in relation with West what Turkey sees as interfering in its core national interest then Russia doing any thing special for that to happen
Yeah, Putin the great chess player thought he would wean Turkey away from NATO by giving Erdogan Afrin. In the end, Erdogan has got Afrin. And may get more from Amreeka and also stays in NATO. Just because Putin thought Erdogan`s hot air against Amreeka was real.
Long live great genius policy of Putin. Roos-rakshaks should simply admit that Pootin got played. Why is that so tough?!

You need to stop being a cry child and stop blabbering Pootin Pootin , Putin did not instigate the big coup against Erdgon ,The Gulen boss is still in US safe and sound the main conspirator of Coup nor did the grand scheme of thing of build a Kurd state was his plan , THe CIA NSA DIA or who every did planned failed to see what if it fails and failed to take Turkey interest into account being a NATO country.

IF Turkey has a bad relation with NATO and US it clearly their fault and are paying for it. It is not wrong of Turkey to defend its own national interest if it feels that way.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Mar 2018 14:22

Afrin city has fallen to turkiye

ISIS has restarted sporadic attacks on govt posts in the T2 albukamal region

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 18 Mar 2018 15:40

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Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Mar 2018 17:22

There is not an iota of hard evidence that Russia attempted to muder the Skripals.It has repeatedly demanded samples of the alleged nerve agent but the Brits have refused.Why? Is it because their chief chem-bio weapons facility, Porton Down is only 8 miles from Salisbury the scene of the crime?!

The Russian ambassador has posed the Q which the Brits are silent about.

There are several reports in the UK press challenging the UK govts. claim which was made in indecent haste before even an investigation was started. How did they know within hours the type of nerve agent? Only if it had similar stocks at Porton Down.This was a clear case of a "false flag" op. which apologists for the neo- imperialist British buffoons are scrambling and hyperventilating to defend.They've forgotten all the feku news about Kashmiri " killings" put out by the Brit. B* llsh*t Corp. which was footage from Chechenya, feku WMD " evidence" about Saddam's WMDs leading to the invasion and destruction of a country.Shame on them!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Mar 2018 20:29

Parasu wrote:
Austin wrote:
You need to stop being a cry child and stop blabbering Pootin Pootin , Putin did not instigate the big coup against Erdgon ,The Gulen boss is still in US safe and sound the main conspirator of Coup nor did the grand scheme of thing of build a Kurd state was his plan , THe CIA NSA DIA or who every did planned failed to see what if it fails and failed to take Turkey interest into account being a NATO country.

IF Turkey has a bad relation with NATO and US it clearly their fault and are paying for it. It is not wrong of Turkey to defend its own national interest if it feels that way.
I wouldnt care two hoots for Pootin if roos-rakshaks here werent salivating at his bare chest and macho policies every hour either.
If the roos-rakshaks werent so butt-hurt over Amreeka f@cking Russia everywhere, I couldnt care less.
If Russia goes around murdering people in western countries just like it did in UK two days ago, it deserves to be shunned and its economy destroyed by US. Also Putin is a dictator who is oppressing his own people. Amreeka should support the russians in their struggle of liberation from the tyrant regime of Putin.
Roos-rakshaks should stop acting like a cry-baby everywhere and calling Amreeka evil. If Russia has become a third rate power with economy the size of netherlands, its got nothing to do with Amreeka or NATO.

Facts hurt about Erdgon ... Huh ! So its no more Poootin the Evil Magic backed by Roosi Rakshak but NATO/US Screwing and Backstabbing their own allay Turkeey !

I wonder why Mods still treats you with Kids Glove

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 18 Mar 2018 20:53

Are Mods on early summer vacation. This moron should have been banned ages ago

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 18 Mar 2018 21:51

Actually there isnt an iota of evidence that US instigated the Turkey coup. Not an iota of evidence that Israel supports ISIS.
All these things are treated here as gospel truth. So, I am sure I can be lax about what I say here too.
If, Brits say Russians murdered someone in UK, I believe them. Cheers. Live with it.

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 18 Mar 2018 21:52

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Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 18 Mar 2018 21:56

Philip wrote:There is not an iota of hard evidence that Russia attempted to muder the Skripals.It has repeatedly demanded samples of the alleged nerve agent but the Brits have refused.Why? Is it because their chief chem-bio weapons facility, Porton Down is only 8 miles from Salisbury the scene of the crime?! The Russian ambassador has posed the Q which the Brits are silent about.

There are several reports in the UK press challenging the UK govts. claim which was made in indecent haste before even an investigation was started. How did they know within hours the type of nerve agent? Only if it had similar stocks at Porton Down.This was a clear case of a "false flag" op. which apologists for the neo- imperialist British buffoons are scrambling and hyperventilating to defend.They've forgotten all the feku news about Kashmiri " killings" put out by the Brit. B* llsh*t Corp. which was footage from Chechenya, feku WMD " evidence" about Saddam's WMDs leading to the invasion and destruction of a country.Shame on them!

Thats all right. I dont believe the Brits.
But its nice to counter propaganda with propaganda. This thread isnt much about facts, infested as it is with too many RT readers and Putin worshippers onlee.

Mode Note: Parasu, enough of your flame baiting. You share no news or links to base your conclusion but have pre defined adjectives for anyone disagreeing with your views. I am banning you for a month. Maybe when you come back you will have a more substantial and healthy contributions to make.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Mar 2018 22:26

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article ... 03-15-2018

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Mar 2018 22:34

Heard on twitter

What is happening in #Afrin is not a fight,it's a rout!#SDF are simply fleeing from one village to another,maybe waiting for population to evacuate Afrin or maybe waiting for divine intervention.
Hasaka Kurds still on the fence watching...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Mar 2018 22:50

https://twitter.com/petolucem/status/97 ... 93955?s=21

Saqba has fallen the repub guards went in from many sides
Kafr batna has nearly fallen
Rayhan the jaish al islam inflicted heavy losses on tanks but finally had to give up and slink back to douma. Saa said to have lost ten tanks in the capture of rayhan

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 18 Mar 2018 22:55

Afrin has been taken over by Erdogan and jihadis. Erdogan has already stated that Turkey wont be withdrawing from Afrin.
Manbij and other areas are on offer from US.
Erdogan is also on record that he will attack Iraq. So in the next couple of years we could see, neo-Ottoman state expanding in south and southeast.
The same way Erdogan has exploited US-Russia differences, he would exploit US-Iran differences in Iraq next.

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 18 Mar 2018 22:58

Also, having seen the fate of Afrin, Iraqi kurds should not put up much resistance. US/Russia guarantees are not worth much. The iron-will of Erdogan and jihadis has triumphed in Afrin. So, it should be easier in Iraq.

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 18 Mar 2018 23:32

There shall be no personal attacks. If this continues I will be forced to hand out bans. Everyone please moderate yourselves or we will have to do it for you.

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 19 Mar 2018 06:27

This now looks like the scene from Middle Earth. While Orcs (Turkey sponsored Jehadis) rout the Dwarfs (self-centered Kurds), Humans (SAA) and Elves (Ruskies/US) watch in the sidelines. Even the Dwarfs from other domain watch and not intervene.

Dwarfs will now go back to mountain seeking better days waiting for a leader....