Levant crisis - III

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Thakur_B » 15 Apr 2018 00:21

Anant wrote:Singha, we = America. Believe it or not, many Indians live in the US and are quite content supporting our cultural homeland, India, and our adopted homeland, the United States.



MUTU detected :rotfl:

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Y. Kanan » 15 Apr 2018 00:27

Austin wrote:Just highlighting the failure , Worst seems Barz and Jaramani , 7 out of 30 shot success ratio 23.3 %
Homs - out of 16 , 12 got intercepted 3 were failures so 81.25 % success


I'm not buying this; the dirty litte secret about air defense is that it doesn't work. US air defense doesn't work either, with a horrible track record even vs the occasional ancient Houthi missile, and even more useless vs SCUD's in 1991. Russian-made air defense doesn't work either. Isreal bombs Syria at will even without the benefit of stealth. The only missile defense that has ever been even partially successful is Isreal's Iron Dome, and only because it covers a tiny area. Yet even Iron Dome fails when Hezbollah launches more than a couple of missiles at one time.

ShyamSP wrote:If the west takes control of Assad's Syria, do you think they let Russia stay there? Its interest is to clean up the Russia out of the region. If they succeed in Syria, next is Iran for total control of middle east. At some point being military superpower Russia has to enter into fray, otherwise they are going to lose global allies and power.


Russians are fools if they believe they can keep riding out these strikes and keep their gains in Syria. The end game is regime change and ejecting Russia from the region. Also to demonstrate to all current and potential Russian allies, that Russia is a paper tiger and unreliable ally.

The only way this ends favorably for Russia is if they take a stand. Put their personnel in the way and force US & lackeys to kill Russians if they want Syria. Russia has to do this, and simultaneously go to full nuclear alert, with their arsenal on standby, and announce an attack on their military is an attack on Russian soil, to be met with nuclear attack. The citizens of US\UK\France\Isreal\Saudi must believe they and their loved ones could die in nuclear fire. That is the ONLY way this aggression stops.

As with Hitler, continued appeasement isn't going to work.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Thakur_B » 15 Apr 2018 00:29

Aren't most weapons designed to neutralise chemical weapons white phosphorus and thermite based bombs and not available as cruise missile warheads ?

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Postby Suresh S » 15 Apr 2018 00:35

Russians are not fools . Look at the past three hundred years of Russian history. Berlin taken twice and given back. Napolean defeated. Sweden got it,s behind kicked nice and proper. As long as Putin is alive this will not end well for these western scum.Keep watching. If you remember Russia was on the verge of loosing the second chechen war before putin came on the scene. He has defeated or contained the western powers in Georgia, Ukraine and so far in Syria.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby ShyamSP » 15 Apr 2018 01:21

Y. Kanan wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:If the west takes control of Assad's Syria, do you think they let Russia stay there? Its interest is to clean up the Russia out of the region. If they succeed in Syria, next is Iran for total control of middle east. At some point being military superpower Russia has to enter into fray, otherwise they are going to lose global allies and power.


Russians are fools if they believe they can keep riding out these strikes and keep their gains in Syria. The end game is regime change and ejecting Russia from the region. Also to demonstrate to all current and potential Russian allies, that Russia is a paper tiger and unreliable ally.

The only way this ends favorably for Russia is if they take a stand. Put their personnel in the way and force US & lackeys to kill Russians if they want Syria. Russia has to do this, and simultaneously go to full nuclear alert, with their arsenal on standby, and announce an attack on their military is an attack on Russian soil, to be met with nuclear attack. The citizens of US\UK\France\Isreal\Saudi must believe they and their loved ones could die in nuclear fire. That is the ONLY way this aggression stops.

As with Hitler, continued appeasement isn't going to work.


Besides putting themselves into fray in Syria, Russia will have to fire some long sticks on Saudi and Iraq areas to balance the region between them and the west. Making this region unipolar is dangerous for the world.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 08:27

Iraq a Shiah nation is an ally of Russia gives it overflight right over its territory for Syrian ops , Saudi is not an ally but is not an enemy either and both have working relationship and good business tie , russia can work with is two nations

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 08:29

Thakur_B wrote:Aren't most weapons designed to neutralise chemical weapons white phosphorus and thermite based bombs and not available as cruise missile warheads ?


Don’t think so , I have not read of any weapon designed to neutralise cw , if it’s binary cw it’s safe else it’s lethal

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2018 09:38

CW will usually be rendered harmless by heat(burning) or dissipation into the atmosphere. they are actually very hard to use as a mass attack weapon , same goes for bio weapon because of the problems in persistence and adequate dispersion on target. nuclear and incendiary are way more potent as seen in the massive death toll in the dresden and tokyo fire bombings which are swept under the rug by the victors of WW2.

more people died in the tokyo fire bombing than in hiroshima and nagasaki

I have grave doubts if the americans would have agreed to use them on a european population in germany should the germans have held out longer and caused trouble.

but japan - well no problem ... any fallout would fall on the untermensch in korea taiwan and china onlee.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2018 09:44

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RUSSIAN MOD: WE ARE CONSIDERING PROVIDING S-300 AND S-400 SYSTEMS TO SYRIA AND OTHER REGIONAL PLAYERS ( IRAN ) AFTER LAST NIGHT'S ATTACK


^^^ if they are serious about protecting client states better to be announcing the sale of kalibers, yakhonts, OTH radars, nebo radars ,SS20 Saber v2.0, Kinzhal hypersonic ASM and IskanderM to all and sundry - this is the way China has tamed the US , not by selling defence weapons. :rotfl:

entire NATO is impotent to do anything about TSP and Noko and both get to meet POTUS with due respect and thump the desk to demand what they want and get it. what did it cost china - NOTHING barring a few help with IRBM and nuclear weapons. thats how the big game is played.

russia is playing the india v2.0 game. a losing hand.

unless one threatens the homelands of enemy nations one is taken lightly. that is true for India-China dynamics as well. once we get a few Agni5 deployed and rolling down rajpath on Jan26 we will start to be taken a lot more seriously.

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Postby Philip » 15 Apr 2018 09:53

India which recognises the Assad regime as legitimate, expressed reservations over the attacks, called for restraint and dialogue on the basic principles of the UN charter.It also called for an "impartial and objective investigation by the Org. for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons to establish facts".MEA spokesman Raveesh Kumar.China also said it was "opposed to the use of force" .

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2018 09:56

al masdar news - will be keenly watched as the backside of this region engulfs the jordanian border where the terrorists have a free run.


BEIRUT, LEBANON (7:10 P.M.) – The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) has moved into position, tonight, to launch their long-awaited southern Damascus offensive, a military source told Al-Masdar News.

According to the source, the Syrian Army’s High Command was awaiting the US’ strikes before giving the green light to their troops to kickoff operations against the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) in southern Damascus.

The source added that the Syrian Army’s High Command wanted to make sure their were no disruptions that could potentially setback the offensive.

Earlier in the day, they faced their first challenge in southern Damascus, when the Islamic State launched an attack on their positions near the western axis of Al-Qadam.

The attack was ultimately repelled after a short battle with the Islamic State terrorists.

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Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2018 09:57

this region has a lot of palestinian refugee towns I think. palestinian militias are also part of the force mix on govt side.

around 1200 faylaq al rahman local militants chose to skip the green bus and join local police and SRG after the douma defeat.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Philip » 15 Apr 2018 10:04

Ru apparently relieved that the strikes were so soft.They will not react militarily as no Ru forces appear to have been affected.There's a World Cup to happen just 2 months away. Putin wouldn't want another attempt to derail it like the Sochi Winter Olympics with the West stirring up trouble , ousting the legitimatd pro- Ru pres. in a coup using neo-fascist right wing elements openly supported by EU and Western politicos.

Trump declared " Mission accomplished", and can now walk off into the sunset from the region like a conquering hero.The fact that Assad is still sitting pretty in Damascus is little cheer to him.Proxies will be the weapons of choice in the future.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Y. Kanan » 15 Apr 2018 10:12

https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/98 ... ories.html

Statement by the Ambassador Antonov on the strikes on #Syria:
A pre-designed scenario is being implemented. Again, we are being threatened. We warned that such actions will not be left without consequences.
All responsibility for them rests with Washington, London and Paris.


Does this mean Russia gives Houthis advanced weapons now?

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Philip » 15 Apr 2018 10:27

Ru will seek its pound of flesh in whatever manner suits them best.More sophisticated weaponry landinding in Syria and definite assistance to anti Western- Arab entities.Expect Iran too to get more Ru milware so that it can defend itself better.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 11:41

From the recent Chemical Attack in Douma , Doctors online prove the ECG is put in the wrong way


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As a cardiologist I can say that these ECG electrodes are completely wrong positioned. They would not get any signal. This picture is faked!

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Here all 4 are in front of the heart. To measure the temporal changes of the heart's electrical field at least the connection of two electrodes must go through the heart.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 11:43

Thomas Binder https://twitter.com/Thomas_Binder/statu ... 3641591808


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I'm a neutral Swiss and my "ideology" is humanism. The White Helmets obviously produce (almost) always fake photos and videos for propaganda. I call them spin fotos and videos.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 11:55

Y. Kanan wrote:I'm not buying this; the dirty litte secret about air defense is that it doesn't work. US air defense doesn't work either, with a horrible track record even vs the occasional ancient Houthi missile, and even more useless vs SCUD's in 1991. Russian-made air defense doesn't work either. Isreal bombs Syria at will even without the benefit of stealth. The only missile defense that has ever been even partially successful is Isreal's Iron Dome, and only because it covers a tiny area. Yet even Iron Dome fails when Hezbollah launches more than a couple of missiles at one time.


That statement of your does not stand test of time , What you are stating is AD is no good and does not work.

If that is true then IAF does not need any SAM squadron :lol:

AD is very effective and provides cost effective assymetric option to deal with AD threats , fighters , missile , BM you name it , The destruction even a single missile can cause will justify AD/SAM , Reason why IAF increased SAM squadron to more than 45 is to compensate for the low squadron of IAF fighters.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 12:10

Syrian SAM in Action

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Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 12:16

Video: The first shipment of humanitarian aid from Russia arrived in Syria


Residents of the Syrian city of the Duma in East Gut received the first shipment of humanitarian cargo sent from Russia.

The cargo was reinforced on special platforms in the port of Tartus. After that, the Russian military police escorted an automobile convoy with him to the settlement of the Duma.

The humanitarian equipment this time was a special equipment - bulldozer, excavator, truck crane, trucks KamAZ. Along with them, several cars with building materials went to the Duma: steel pipes, sawn timber, power and other cables. Techniques and tangible property are unusually in demand in the difficult conditions of the Syrian Arab Republic.

The equipment and materials will be used to restore roads, socially significant facilities and infrastructure that were barbarously destroyed by militants and destroyed in the course of hostilities. ■

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Philip » 15 Apr 2018 15:39

Austin is right.Sov.SAMs took a v.heavy toll of Israeli aircraft during the Yom Kippur war. It was only after they crossed over the canal and neutralised the SAM sites that
the Israelis breathed easier. In all our wars with Pak, more than 60%+ of losses have been due to ground fire.
In the future it will be even more.Aircraft flying low are very vulnerable to the latest MANPADS and AAA fire.
This is why cheaper aircraft equipped with PGMs available in larger numbers (unlike ultra-expensive Rafales that can't carry BMos!) , will be more cost-effective in supporting the vital task of GA/CS for the ground war, as they can carry the same PGMs on twice as many aircraft than a marquee bird.Platform-centric warfare is giving way to Payload- centric warfare, a reality that the MOD and IAF need to study carefully.

In the Levant, veteran Bear strat. bombers from the last century equipped with PGMs made their point rather dramatically, as did Kilo subs with Kalibir missiles. So too did tiny Ru corvettes firing the same Kalibirs from as far away as the Caspian Sea! Sov. era aircraft like SU-25s and SU-24s showed that it was what they delivered to the enemy was what mattered most.In the latest Weztern missile attacks, the Russians claim that even Sov. era SAM systems used by the Syrians were sufficient to down the best of the West.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Karthik S » 15 Apr 2018 16:02

Y. Kanan wrote:https://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/984980480234868736/photo/1?tfw_site=GMA&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fgma%2Frussia-responds-us-attack-syria-actions-not-left-072206426--abc-news-topstories.html

Statement by the Ambassador Antonov on the strikes on #Syria:
A pre-designed scenario is being implemented. Again, we are being threatened. We warned that such actions will not be left without consequences.
All responsibility for them rests with Washington, London and Paris.


Does this mean Russia gives Houthis advanced weapons now?


Houthis need humanitarian assistance. Saw many pics where ill and injured people are left fending for themselves as no medical help is available. I think they even face shortage of food.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 16:37

Wael

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#Russia/n military inspection teams went all over the #Syria/n AD units who participated in repelling the #US led strike yesterday.
And collected the wreckages of the downed/interception missiles.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2018 18:38

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Jaish al-Islam's Mohammad Aloush: "A punishment that leaves the criminal in place is a farce". His reaction is not surprising. The attack was on insignificant targets. The Americans didn't want to provoke Russia but had to do something symbolic to save face.

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Postby habal » 15 Apr 2018 19:09

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The Syrian Arab Army has stunned the world with its successful defense of Damascus, assets, and military installations in the early hours of April 14th, 2018.

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Postby habal » 15 Apr 2018 19:18

The complex bombed with 38 missiles was an old Syrian chemical weapons factory and storage depo that OPCW made useless by filling everything with concrete and smashing the equipment. It was really sad to see all that expensive equipment getting smashed since Syria also had a robust medical manufacturing sector that could have used that equipment to manufacture medical drugs. It was a huge loss for such a poor country.

But it would have cost a lot to destroy the faculty and was left abandoned until it could be demolished. Now that the US basically blew it all up, it becomes much easier and simpler.. Before where as OPCW could be present and had to be carefully demolished by hugely paid western experts now they can just blow it up and bury the ruble. The US might still protest to the destruction without paying huge to some amerikan contractor to do it. Like it did with the Iraqi’s where they drilled holes and let the chemicals leak into the ground causing environmental problems for centuries.

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Postby habal » 15 Apr 2018 19:22

The Russians have finished the renovation of one of Syrian Airline’s Il-76T cargo planes. It will return to service in flights between Russia and Syria. They have done a nice job it looks.

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Postby habal » 15 Apr 2018 19:29

Aleppo residents reaction to the big US missile attack by gathering in town square and waving Syrian flags.

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Postby habal » 15 Apr 2018 19:32

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/12/a ... les-syria/


Caitlin Johnstone – America’s Long History Of Trying To Determine Who Rules Syria

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/12/a ... les-syria/

Roland Dumas

I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer minister for foreign affairs, if I would like to participate. Naturally, I refused, I said I’m French, that doesn’t interest me.’’

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2018 19:58

good read on why usa is so pissed about the east ghouta liberation

https://ejmagnier.com/2018/04/15/the-us ... -revealed/

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Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 20:18

Singha wrote:good read on why usa is so pissed about the east ghouta liberation

https://ejmagnier.com/2018/04/15/the-us ... -revealed/


Good read indeed , I wonder why didnt they start liberating east ghauta 3 years back when the air campaigne started ? This is the closest to damascus and they used to fire regularly from the east some of the mortars even fell on Russian Embassy compound.

Why did they wait this long to liberate ?


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Postby habal » 15 Apr 2018 20:45

Encapsulating the magnier article,

the elijah magnier article explains via sources in Damascus, that the Syrian Army and its allies, supported by Russia, were carrying out a large attack on rural Idlib and had reached Abu al-Duhur airport when, all of a sudden, the military operation stopped. The entire spearhead force was moved to Ghouta. What happened?

1. Magnier said the SAA were mopping up Idlib and poised to take it. Suddenly out of the blue they stopped after capturing 1/3 of it and attention shifted to Ghouta.

Why?

2. Magnier explains that basically the Americans had planned to organise a strong army of rebels in Al-Tanf, near Jordan, to push north-west, link up with the rebels in Ghouta and overrun Damascus. With possibly 50,000 Syrian soldiers busy in Idlib (can’t remember the number but a very big number), Damascus would have been exposed.

3. The Russians knew about this plan and told the Syrians, so the Idlib offensive stopped and Ghouta was recaptured. The west obviously incensed by this seem to have resorted to another false flag chemical attack followed up by strikes.

Magnier says the SAA will now focus on capturing Idlib.

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Postby habal » 15 Apr 2018 21:04

Dumayr airbase after strike

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Syrian soldier on top of a downed western cruise missile

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Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 21:10

Interesting even Iraq is opposing Western Air Strikes

Western air strikes on Syria could let terrorism expand: Iraq

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Air strikes carried out by the United States, France and Britain against Syrian military targets could give terrorism an opportunity to expand in the region, the Iraqi foreign ministry said on Saturday.

The air strikes marked a “a very dangerous development”, the ministry said in statement.

“Such action could have dangerous consequences, threatening the security and stability of the region and giving terrorism another opportunity to expand after it was ousted from Iraq and forced into Syria to retreat to a large extent,” it said.


The ministry called on Arab leaders to discuss the situation at a summit due to be held in Saudi Arabia on Sunday.

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Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 21:10

habal wrote:Syrian soldier on top of a downed western cruise missile

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Looks like Tomahawk

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Singha » 15 Apr 2018 21:15

To me it looks like kvadrat sa6 SAMs with solid fuel ramjet air intake might be old wrecked rounds lying around

Read on twitter
I cannot explain to you the terror I feel internally and how my soul cries whenever I see @nikkihaley's about to read something. She sounds like an assistant principal reading the lunch menu. I thought @SamanthaJPower was scary but fear knows no basis like this. Help us all.

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Postby habal » 15 Apr 2018 21:15

Info provided by the Syria/n AD after the US led Syria Strike

The hostile objects were detected between 20-15 KM
Every group of missile were flying on the same line and some very close to each other ie: 10 meters
Missiles flying altitude: 1,500M to 300M with speed 200M/S

Against the research center-76 missiles.
Against the storage site- 22 weapons (mostly missles, from all 3 countries).
Against the CW bunker- 7 missiles.
Syria launched 40 missiles(missiles launched from al-tanf and other base within kurdish syria); they had no effect.


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