Cain Marko wrote:kit wrote:
Turkey has S300 and has taken delivery of S400
my bad, i thought vodkov sold it to turkey at the same time it was sold to greece
Y. Kanan wrote:habal wrote:Brasco_Aad
More and more Russian reinforcements have landend at Hmeymim Airbase (Latakia Governorate) today.
Russian Air Force Tu-154s have been flying almost non-stop between Russia and Syria these past 48 hours
If Erdogan is really as dumb as he appears to be, he might push on and then it's war between Turkey\jihadists\ISIS remnants on one side (with Isreali air support) and Syria\Russia\Iran\Kurds on the other side. Conventionally, Turkey could overwhelm the small Russian contingent in Syria, after all they have hundreds of modern combat aircraft vs a few dozen RuAF planes. But on the ground, it looks like this would be a real meat grinder for Turkey and its jihadi brigades.
Could Erdogan be that short-sighted?
Kremlin hopes Turkey’s operation in Syria to be proportionate to security tasks
Asked how long Turkey’s operation might last Peskov replied: "It is hard to say anything about the timeframe.
Parasu wrote:Russia understands jihadi Erdogan's need for security.Kremlin hopes Turkey’s operation in Syria to be proportionate to security tasksAsked how long Turkey’s operation might last Peskov replied: "It is hard to say anything about the timeframe.
Erdogan's victorious armies have not left Afrin since March 2018. Perhaps, that could give the colluding Russians some idea about the timeframe.
ramana wrote:UB If you think like Erdogan, he has a failing economy, has refugees (4M), his Islamist drive is failing, he needs to consolidate his image as a tough dictator.
Restoring Ottomans is failing.
Hence this drive against the PKK kurds in Syria.
Same time we see DT withdrawing from non core areas completing the pivot to Asia announced by Obama.
This is like Imperial Rome withdrawing from British isles etc in 400 AD.
So Erdogon rushes in to Northern Syria.
The differences are:
Unlike 400 AD there are other powers(Russia, China) ready to fill the vacuum.
And the theater is West Asia and not Western Europe.
UlanBatori wrote:The flaw in the reporting is the sequence. It was **NOT*** "Trump withdraws; Turkey invades. It was "Trump gets US troops out of the way just in time as Turkey invades". Trump merely pulled his men out of a no-win situation, and used standoff blunt threats to stop the Turks. The Deep State sh1ts in the Pentagon/SD want to keep Syria from reclaiming its oil assets, so they are trying to fix it so that the territory does not get liberated.
“We know that we would have to make painful compromises with Moscow and Bashar al-Assad if we go down the road of working with them,” the Kurdish commander of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) wrote in an op-ed published Sunday in Foreign Policy. “But if we have to choose between compromises and the genocide of our people, we will surely choose life for our people.”
Brett McGurk, who resigned as the presidential special envoy to the coalition against ISIS last December, told The Daily Beast on Sunday that such a move by the Syrian Kurds was predictable under the circumstances.
Even last year, when McGurk was still serving, Kurdish leaders in Syria were telling the Americans that if support for them and deterrence against a Turkish attack was not going to continue, they needed to make a deal with the Assad regime and Russia for protection. “We have given our road map to the Russians. We are just waiting on a decision,” one senior Kurdish official told The Washington Post.
McGurk said he supported that idea at a time when Trump already was talking about pulling out of Syria, but he met firm opposition within the administration. (Special Representative for Syria Engagement Jim Jeffrey, for one, “told the Kurds on multiple occasions, ‘we’ll manage Turkey, don’t make a deal with the [Assad] regime,’” according to a source familiar with the matter.) Then-National Security Adviser John Bolton and crew insisted the U.S. must stay in Syria until Iran was out, or at least on its way. (Representatives for Bolton, whom Trump fired last month, did not immediately reply to a request for comment. Neither did State Department spokespeople.)
Since McGurk’s resignation, he has stayed in touch with the members of the SDF and some contacts in the U.S. departments of state and defense. He says the Kurds asked repeatedly if the support and protection of the United States could be relied upon, and they were told repeatedly that the Americans had their backs.
But that was not the case.
Briefed our @NATO Allies today about developments in Syria including the ceasefire between Turkey and YPG. This solution will save lives and contribute to long-term stability in the region. The United States and Turkey are committed to a peaceful, Turkish-controlled safe zone.
Rony wrote:They are not even pretending anymore. The sell out is open.
https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/11 ... 7499965441Briefed our @NATO Allies today about developments in Syria including the ceasefire between Turkey and YPG. This solution will save lives and contribute to long-term stability in the region. The United States and Turkey are committed to a peaceful, Turkish-controlled safe zone.
habal wrote:Israel’s interest in U.S. Syria policy was on display in American politics this week.
129 Republicans voted to condemn the decision when the House voted by 354-60 on that resolution Wednesday.
Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer and House Majority leader Steny Hoyer said Trump’s move endangers Israel.
Rep. Lois Frankel of Florida said the decision forces the Kurds into the Iranian camp, and Israel is the loser.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar saying, “This is an outrageous thing that happened here…. Think about our other allies, Israel. How do they feel right now?
Witty and funny line, from Syrian MP from Aleppo Fares Shehabi. The US Congress seems AIPAC approved.
Whenever you want to hear Israel’s opinion on Middle Eastern issues, listen to the US congress
US Jewish Lobby Groups are in Shock!
Peace Now has published Yossi Alpher’s view that Israel is on its own now and civilians are at risk.
Israel Policy Forum, calls the decision a “disaster” for Israel.
Michael Koplow of Israel Policy Forum said “Israel is the clear loser.”
Former Netanyahu cabinet minister Naftali Bennett emphasized the We’re on our own theme:
“The lesson for Israel is simple: The Jewish State will never put its fate in the hands of others, including our great friend, the USA.”
“Erdogan is a thief and is now stealing our land,”Assad said, pledging to retake every last inch of the Syrian territory.
Speaking to Putin on the phone after the Sochi talks, the Syrian president welcomed the results of the talks, but said he will continue the fight terrorism “by all legitimate means.” He also stressed a “complete refusal” of any invasion into Syria, no matter the pretext, his office said in a statement...Ankara launched an incursion against Syrian Kurdish-led militias, which it considers to be terrorists, following Washington's decision to pull out the US troops stationed there. The Putin-Erdogan agreement on Tuesday effectively brought the Turkish ‘Operation Peace Spring’ to a halt. The Syrian army, supported by Russian military police, will now take control of a large part of the country’s border with Turkey – a plan that Moscow said has received “full support” of Damascus.
Turkey will not be launching a new offensive against Kurdish militias in northern Syria, following a five-day pause in hostilities and high-level talks in Moscow, Ankara’s Defense Ministry said.
Following lengthy talks on Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed that Russian military police and Syrian servicemen will be deployed to northeastern Syria, targeted by Turkey in their ‘Operation Peace Spring.’
The Turkish Defense Ministry then said in a statement that there was “no need to carry out a new operation at this stage,” adding that the creation of a “peace corridor” in the border area would ensure the safe return of millions of displaced Syrians.
The agreement underscores Washington’s waning sway in the region and represents a positive step toward winding down a bloody years-long conflict, independent political analyst Ali Demidras told RT.
“The Sochi agreement has cemented the Russian-Turkish cooperation in Syria also effectively reducing the American influence in the country,” Demidras said. “United Syria has been secured.”