Levant crisis - III

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Parasu » 11 Mar 2020 22:10

Shouldnt the Pantsyrs shoot down those slow moving UAVs?
Why is it the other way round? :?:

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rudradev » 11 Mar 2020 22:46

Few Pantsyrs, many drones. As Yak Herder said only a small fraction of the drones have to be true armed UCAVs. The rest can be cheaply-made junk as long as it can do one flight and looks like a UCAV on radar. Pantsyrs are limited in number in most locations, and if they start engaging the decoys, it's all over.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Cain Marko » 12 Mar 2020 07:52

Point is - did the drone attack succeed in getting mission accomplished?

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby kvraghav » 12 Mar 2020 13:13

I think the SAM will go back to heavy warhead multiple rod warheads. One rod will simply net multiple UAV over a large area given the energy of the warhead is high like a fragmented grenade. Currently i think most use expanding rod warheads.
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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Mar 2020 13:43

Other alternative is Naval type CIWS, these will eliminate the drone swarm at a much cheaper cost

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Parasu » 12 Mar 2020 15:48

“Syria couldn’t down the Turkish F-16 with its S-200 since it’s an old system; it really belongs to the previous generation. … The geographical landscape around Idlib is also such that it hampers S-200 to successfully track aircrafts,” wrote Alexey Podberezkin, head of the Center for Political and Military Studies at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, in his op-ed for Sputnik.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby srin » 12 Mar 2020 16:15

Aditya_V wrote:Other alternative is Naval type CIWS, these will eliminate the drone swarm at a much cheaper cost


Assuming that these are slow UAVs, I don't believe that rate of fire would have been a constraint. So, no need to have the AK-630 style gatling guns. Normal Pantsir should be able to handle them easily enough.

What might be happening is what Rudradev alluded to - too few Pantsir systems having limited radar horizon to detect very low flying UAVs.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Mar 2020 21:42

Yes but ak 630/ before L70 shells are much cheaper than missiles and can easily take out multiple slow moving drones

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby srin » 13 Mar 2020 06:59

Aditya_V wrote:Yes but ak 630/ before L70 shells are much cheaper than missiles and can easily take out multiple slow moving drones


Don't want to go too much OT, but pantsir also has dual 30mm autocannon - more than capable of handling the drones.

We need to dig deeper and find out why they failed to intercept turkish drones. Will be good for us to learn.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Cain Marko » 13 Mar 2020 08:05

srin wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Yes but ak 630/ before L70 shells are much cheaper than missiles and can easily take out multiple slow moving drones


Don't want to go too much OT, but pantsir also has dual 30mm autocannon - more than capable of handling the drones.

We need to dig deeper and find out why they failed to intercept turkish drones. Will be good for us to learn.

Against Israel I believe one pantsir unit was rearming when it was hit

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 13 Mar 2020 09:14

This tweet from Feb 29 . Turks like Pakis BS a lot

Video

https://twitter.com/As_SourceBrkNew/sta ... 07520?s=20

WATCH: #TURKEY- Experts debunk Turkish army videos - turkey has indeed released VIDEO GAME footages in the videos published of the alleged revenge attack on #SAA yesterday. The videos are from ARMA 3 :roll:

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Deans » 13 Mar 2020 09:40

Aditya_V wrote:Other alternative is Naval type CIWS, these will eliminate the drone swarm at a much cheaper cost


The old ZSU 23-4 (Shilka) would be as effective and should be available in large numbers with the SAA.

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Re: Levant crisis - III

Postby Rony » 21 May 2020 22:13

Israel learned from Hezbollah's defeat at the hands of Turkey

Israel watched the fighting between Hezbollah’s Radwan unit and Turkish forces in Syria’s Idlib province very closely, learning that the elite unit found it difficult to stand up to a conventional army.

In early February, Turkey’s military deployed tanks, armored vehicles, artillery and troops to Idlib to stop a Syrian regime offensive to retake the country’s last opposition stronghold, which was backed by hundreds of Hezbollah troops as well as Shi’ite militias supported by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

While Hezbollah has lost thousands of fighters since the Lebanese terror group entered the fighting on the side of Syrian regime President Bashar Assad, the Turkish operation in Idlib – which is roughly half the size of neighboring Lebanon – caused losses not seen in years. The losses included countless operatives belonging to Hezbollah’s elite Radwan unit.

Israel’s military was able to identify several Radwan operatives killed during the fighting with Turkey by patches worn by the fighters.
The unit, named after Hezbollah’s military commander Imad Mughniyeh who was killed in Damascus in 2008 in an operation attributed to Israel, was established to carry out covert operations against Israel. While operatives from the unit fighting in Syria for several years, gaining extensive operational experience, most have returned to south Lebanon. Radwan operatives are expected to be at the forefront of any Hezbollah attack against Israel, infiltrating into Israeli communities along the border to kill as many civilians and troops as possible accompanied by a massive barrage of rockets, mortars, anti-tank missiles and more.

Due to the threat of infiltrations by Hezbollah, dozens of Israeli communities along the border with Lebanon are expected to be evacuated should a war break out.

The IDF, which claims that every third house in southern Lebanon is used for military purposes by the group, would focus on destroying the villages along the border to prevent additional Radwan operatives and weaponry to be used against Israel.

Nevertheless, while Israel does not believe that Hezbollah plans to provoke a war with Israel in the near future, the IDF is concerned that any major event which threatens the regime in Tehran, such as a miscalculation by Washington against Iran in the Persian Gulf or in Iraq, might lead Hezbollah to attack Israel.


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