Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

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India should hold its horses and wait for the situation in afghanistan to crystalize

There is no ass tearing hurry for India to step on any leftover landmines in afghanistan

rushing into "donor" conferences with other countries that have little skin in the game is counter productive for India in the short run and may even turn out to be harmful in the medium to long term. It may be better to write off the afghan "investment" rather than foolishly throwing good money after the bad.

when the whole world has hit the pause button on the taliban, why are we so very eagerly groping blindly for the fast forward button. We neither have the on site intel to read and access the situation on the ground nor are we party to the game plans of the larger players.

So, the best way forward is simply to keep shut, sit tight and wait patiently. There will be enough time to counter the pakis later. After all, we are dealing with the ummah and any advantage that we may seemingly gain will be tinged with taqiya and can turn around on the proverbial dime and the blowback will singe us

Do not make the foolish mistake of shipping "aid" or even trade via the wagah border.
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India does have to send aid/donation to the remnants of the Northern Alliance. I am sure we are sending aid of food and arms right now, but it will be done in an official way through Tajikistan and not via Wagah. No country has yet recognized the Afghan Government, so everyone is sitting tight and waiting.
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The Taliban military chief for Kabul, Qari Hamdullah, and commander of Badri Brigade (special forces), was killed in today’s attack in Kabul. He was an HQN senior commander who previously served as the Taliban shadow governor for Paktika and Khost provinces.

Qari Hamdullah was the chief military strategist of Sirajudin Haqqani.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/worl ... ttack.html
Dozens Killed in ISIS Attack on Military Hospital in Afghanistan’s Capital
The fall of the Western-backed government in August and the Taliban takeover of the country have been followed by an increase in Islamic State attacks across Afghanistan.
By Thomas Gibbons-Neff, Sami Sahak and Taimoor Shah, Nov. 2, 2021

At least 25 people were killed and more than a dozen were wounded during an attack by the Islamic State on a military hospital in the Afghan capital of Kabul on Tuesday, according to local officials, with gunfire and explosions echoing throughout the city into the afternoon.
The attack, which included armed gunmen and at least one suicide bomber, targeted the 400-bed Sardar Mohammad Daud Khan military hospital in one of Kabul’s more affluent neighborhoods, where both wounded soldiers who fought for the former government and Taliban fighters were being treated.
Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the Taliban, said the attack was carried out by several members of the Islamic State, including a suicide bomber who detonated his explosives at the gate to the hospital. A car full of explosives outside the hospital also exploded, wounding dozens, and several Taliban fighters were killed and wounded in the ensuing gun battle, Mr. Mujahid said.
The Islamic State Khorasan, also known as ISIS-K, took responsibility for the attack hours later.
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chetak wrote:India should hold its horses and wait for the situation in afghanistan to crystalize

There is no ass tearing hurry for India to step on any leftover landmines in afghanistan

rushing into "donor" conferences with other countries that have little skin in the game is counter productive for India in the short run and may even turn out to be harmful in the medium to long term. It may be better to write off the afghan "investment" rather than foolishly throwing good money after the bad.

when the whole world has hit the pause button on the taliban, why are we so very eagerly groping blindly for the fast forward button. We neither have the on site intel to read and access the situation on the ground nor are we party to the game plans of the larger players.

So, the best way forward is simply to keep shut, sit tight and wait patiently. There will be enough time to counter the pakis later. After all, we are dealing with the ummah and any advantage that we may seemingly gain will be tinged with taqiya and can turn around on the proverbial dime and the blowback will singe us

Do not make the foolish mistake of shipping "aid" or even trade via the wagah border.

why is India holding this stooopide conference


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Because of the national security implications if there is no stability in the region

- TSPA will fund, train and arm the army/groups that will be likely used against India
- Increase in drug smuggling and refugees into India
- counter terrorism (Pulwama attack planning took place in Helmand)
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Not A Joke: Taliban Asks for International Aid to Help It Fight…Climate Change


Ahead of COP26, Taliban urges world to help fight climate change


As the world leaders gather in Glasgow to talk about climate change and pledge to bring positive changes, Taliban did not want to be left out.

When leaders from around the world were pledging, Taliban too released a statement urging nations to come together and help fight climate change, especially in Afghanistan.

"Afghanistan has a fragile climate. There is need for tremendous work," Suhail Shaheen, IEA Permanent Representative-desig. to UN, said in a tweet.

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Afghanistan has a fragile climate. There is need for tremendous work. Some climate change projects which have already been approved and were funded by Green Climate Fund, UNDP, Afghan Aid, should fully resume work. This, on the one hand, will help change the climate

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for the better and on the other hand, will provide job opportunities for people.

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is committed to providing security and safe environment for work of NGOs and charity organizations.


— Suhail Shaheen. محمد سهیل شاهین (@suhailshaheen1) October 31, 2021
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ISIS-K announces killing of TSP intel officer in Peshawar

Iranian delegation being given a tour of Ghazni by taliban and Chinese delegation in Kabul for talks with taleban

TTP claims IED Mubarak on 2 TSPA soldiers in north waziristan

Seems to be daily attacks against Taleban in Nangarhar, Kandahar and Jalalabad.

Former Senior NDS officer shared letter stating that no NDS officers have joined ISIS-K ranks and denying news reports that some former NDS guys have joined the group.

Taleban has given permission for Shiite community to create and deploy their own security force
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chetak wrote:Not A Joke: Taliban Asks for International Aid to Help It Fight…Climate Change

[url=https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/ahea ... nge-425600][
When leaders from around the world were pledging, Taliban too released a statement urging nations to come together and help fight climate change, especially in Afghanistan.

"Afghanistan has a fragile climate. There is need for tremendous work," Suhail Shaheen, IEA Permanent Representative-desig. to UN, said in a tweet.
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Afghanistan has a fragile climate. There is need for tremendous work. Some climate change projects which have already been approved and were funded by Green Climate Fund, UNDP, Afghan Aid, should fully resume work. This, on the one hand, will help change the climate

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for the better and on the other hand, will provide job opportunities for people.

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is committed to providing security and safe environment for work of NGOs and charity organizations.


— Suhail Shaheen. محمد سهیل شاهین (@suhailshaheen1) October 31, 2021
Bilk whatever source of free money is around., the only climate that will change is the insides of the Pakibans coffers.
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shyamd wrote:Because of the national security implications if there is no stability in the region

- TSPA will fund, train and arm the army/groups that will be likely used against India
- Increase in drug smuggling and refugees into India
- counter terrorism (Pulwama attack planning took place in Helmand)
GOI leaks below should be read with the above in context.

The conference was pre-agreed with various countries and there was a separate track in Delhi (on 25th Oct if I'm not mistaken) led by the Kyrgyz.

TSPA argument is if you are so concerned why don't you invite Taliban to these talks... GOI view is that the world community hasn't accepted Taliban as the legitimate govt.. But the GOI hasn't really explained the view in this article.


Afghan conference is against radicalisation and terror, not Taliban
According to officials handling the conference, its purpose is not to resurrect any opposition to the Taliban regime but to stabilise Afghanistan with so-called Islamic State of Khorasan Province (ISKP) wreaking violence against Shias and other non-Sunni minorities in the country and Al Qaeda showing signs of revival. The biggest fear posed by unstable Afghanistan under the influence of Pakistani deep state is that the drought prone lawless country may descend into total chaos and turn into a hub of global jihad. While Russia is worried about the security threat to Central Asian Republics, Iran is concerned about rising Pakistani interference and persecution of Shias on both sides of the Durand Line. New Delhi is disturbed about the rising radicalisation in the Indian sub-continent.

Nearly three months after capture of Kabul by the Taliban, no country has recognised the Sunni Pashtun force whose sword arm is Pakistani ISI backed Haqqani network (HQN). There is hardly any governance in Kabul with Mullah Yaqoob faction at odds with Sirajuddin Haqqani, who heads the HQN, and all the commitments promised by the Taliban as part of Doha deal have been thrown into Kabul River. The minorities specially women are under vicious attack by the ultra-conservative radicals roaming around the country with state-of-the-art US weaponry.

The situation is so dire in Afghanistan that even Pakistan Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa is worried about the jihadist ideology spillover from across the Durand Line and threaten Islamabad itself. It is quite evident that the Pakistan Army has difference of views with the civilian leadership under Prime Minister Imran Khan, who feels that the jihadist forces in Afghanistan will serve the political purpose of Islamabad against India and buy much required economic leverage from the west. The tussle between two power centers in Pakistan may manifest either before the appointment of new DG ISI Lt Gen Nadeem Anjum on November 20 or in the coming three months.
India may be upset with the ISI influence on Kabul but its over-riding concern is stability of Afghanistan even with Taliban heading the government. An unstable Kabul will not only spell disaster for the Indian sub-continent but also the world at large as the Af-Pak region will yet again produce terrorists on an industrial scale.
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https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/afghanis ... f-taliban/
Afghanistan : Origin of Taliban

found this information in the article linked above
excerpted
A Glossary of Pashtoon Tribes
* Abdalis Known as Durrani since 1747-located in southern Afghanistan centred around Kandhar sub-tribes-Barvkzai, Achakzai, Poputzai, Alikozai, Narzai, Jshaqzai, Alizai, etc.
*Afridis Sub-tribes-Adamkhel, Akakhel, Kanwar Khel, Kambar Khel, Zakka Khel etc. – sedentary agriculturists and vertical nomads-most of them live east of the Durand line.
*Babars Located near Dera-Ismail Khan-mostly landlords with non-Pashtoon tenents.
* Banis A small tribe located near Quetta.
*Bangash Sub-tribes-Mirenzai, Samilzai and Baizai. They line south of Peshawar in the Kohat valley. Agriculturists and Shia by religion.
*Barech Inhabit Sherewak district of Afghanistan, while same live in Baluchastain.* Dandzais Sub-tribes-Mamer, Yusuf, Manki etc live north of Peshwar and south of the Kabul river.
* Dandzais Sub-tribes-Mamer, Yusuf, Manki etc live north of Peshawar and south of the Kabul river.
* Daurs Sedentry agriculturists in upper and lower Dawar Valley.
* Gharbines Inhabit Jurrem Valley-claim Arab ancestory.
* Ghilzai Sub-tribes-Hotaki, Tbkhi, Nasar, Andar, Alikhel, Tarekhi, Suleimankhel. Centre at Kattawaz. Many of them are “Kochis” or nomads.
* Jadrans Aggressive and warlike-inhabit southern part of khost in Afghanistan.
* Khugianis Agriculturist inhabiting southern Jalalabad.
* Mahsuds Sub-tribes-Alizai, Bahlalzai, Shamenkhel etc they inhabit the centre of Waziristan.
* Makbals Inhabit the centre war upper Kuran Valley.
* Mohamands Sub-tribes-tarakhzai, Halimzai, Khwaezai, live between the Kabul river and Bajaur.
* Mullagoris A small tribe north of Khyber Pass.
* Safis Two section-safis and Kendaharis. Inhabit the region between kuner and panjsheer river-priobably converted into Kajins.
* Shilmanis A small tribe living north and east of the Afghan town of Dakka.
* Shinwaris Inhabit Jalalabad valley, west of safed. Koh upto the Kabul river-well armed and powerful tribe four sections Marnehzai Sangukhel, Sipah am Ali Sherkhel.
* Turis Inhabit Kurrem valley, only Pashtoons who are entirely shia in religion.
* Urmers A small Pushto speaking group inhabiting logar valley veer Kabul.
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Another interesting snippet
India-Russia to expand security ties; widen cooperation between National Security Councils
During his last visit for the maiden meeting of India-Russia high level mechanism, the two sides decided to expand cooperation between intelligence agencies and militaries with regard to the Afghan theatre.
From my old post
Latest SitRep 9 Sept 21

- GOI is implementing a strategy & plan on Afghanistan that was created earlier this year. Plan was in process of being updated during collapse.
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- Intel assessment is that TSPA will turn up temperature in LoC and J&K very soon... There is a gradual redeployment of terror groups towards LoC (with Afghans being spotted).
- Meet held between PM, Def min, Home min yesterday. Number of options have been proposed by the Nat Sec (Defence is an element of Nat Sec) team with dealing with Afghan situation... Range of issues are being managed including how GOI will secure it's interest (i.e. make sure Afghan soil is not used for terrorism which is the top priority).

- My view: Armed forces (IA/IAF) will be making preparations for deployment to somewhere in central asia in coalition with regional powers (if green light provided). I suspect Brigade level operation with some air cover. Primary task will be border security.
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Not much reporting/analysis in the press on the NSAs meet on Afghanistan in Delhi on 10th. PM Modi also met the participating NSAs.
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Probably because of the sensitivities of what was discussed. No read out yet other than everyone is on same page wrt dealing with Afghanistan. They want to keep US out.

At a high level:
Russians said we need to have more of these talks. There were already 2 rounds that took place prior to this and there was a private chitchat on 26th Oct in Delhi as well (not announced to media I think).

Iran - GOI conveyed message of some neighbours to Iran. Iran are cheesed off with GOI slowing relations but appreciate the need to cooperate on Afghan file. They want GOI to move more on the economy.

Now that central asia is back in focus some of the nations want to extract as much as possible from global community.

British want access to GMA for ISR/Drones, so I presume that was on the table as well. Outcome unknown.

There was a TSP led conference on afghanistan with US, China, Russia, Taleban and some others event yesterday. Message to Taleban - fulfill doha obligations. i.e. make govt inclusive, human rights, counter terror etc etc... Taleban have till next March.

Added later: Turkish intel are active in Afg. They have facilitated the move of General Dostum from Dushanbe to Ankara where he will now be based.
Iran for its part see its sphere of influence from Kandahar through the border areas and the northern areas upto Kunduz. Iranian intel is busy working on uzbek ethnic group, however these guys are close to the turkish intel .
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Thank you Shyamd ji
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wig wrote:https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/afghanis ... f-taliban/
Afghanistan : Origin of Taliban

found this information in the article linked above
excerpted
A Glossary of Pashtoon Tribes

Brookingzais from the Beltway are missing from this list.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... e-7620424/
A pooch or two:
a. will all the wheat get through to Afghans or will the abduls pilfer 50% along the way given the flour prices reaching the sky??
b. two Land route only way or Air transport an option??
c. Will Eyeran allow transit via Chabhar??
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taliban are selling the allegedly abandoned ameriki weapons, vehicles and other war stores items to three main customers, the pakis, the cheeni, and the eyeranians

the pakis have openly said that they are buying these weapons for "safekeeping" and to prevent them from falling into the hands of the local anti paki terrorists

From where the money will come for the pakis to make such massive "purchases" has not been disclosed but you can bet your last rupee that many of these "safely kept" weapons will soon be deployed in cashmere at the hands of the taliban, afghan, and CAR fighters which will include jehadis from the gelf

the total value of the abandoned ameriki weapons stash is alleged to be north of $85 billions, per some reports

The situation in afghanistan will get a lot worse before it gets better, so why is India rushing in with tens of thousands of wheat in "aid" and that too, begging the pakis to let it go to afghanistan via the wagah border.

exactly what overton window is India so interested in shifting that is going to make a difference to the very people who have always hated you and looked down upon for the longest time......

The BIF desperately want India to open up to easy visas for afghans for "students", trade, medical and work purposes so that the unwashed abdool and ayesha hordes can flood in and destabilize an already volatile situation created by the grossly mishandled dilli riots, shaheenbagh, khalistani (farmers agitation), and jinnah walli aazadi narratives which is becoming more virulently "in your face" and violent as the days pass.

with the selling of the abandoned ameriki weapons stash, there will be enough $$$ to go around for a lot of the taliban "emirs" to further stuff their already swollen swiss bank accounts
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Rsatchi wrote:https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... e-7620424/
A pooch or two:
a. will all the wheat get through to Afghans or will the abduls pilfer 50% along the way given the flour prices reaching the sky??
b. two Land route only way or Air transport an option??
c. Will Eyeran allow transit via Chabhar??
You underestimate the Bunya. Bunya will pack 50kg wheat and label the bags 100kg in Dari & Pashto. When it reaches Afghanistan, Talibunnies will find the actual weight is less than half of what it says it should be, and they will blame it on their greedy birathers.

Air route is crazy expensive, certainly not viable for large quantities of staple foods.

This whole thing is a ploy to get the Pakis to play their hand, so why bother about Chabahar?
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yensoy wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... e-7620424/
A pooch or two:
a. will all the wheat get through to Afghans or will the abduls pilfer 50% along the way given the flour prices reaching the sky??
b. two Land route only way or Air transport an option??
c. Will Eyeran allow transit via Chabhar??
You underestimate the Bunya. Bunya will pack 50kg wheat and label the bags 100kg in Dari & Pashto. When it reaches Afghanistan, Talibunnies will find the actual weight is less than half of what it says it should be, and they will blame it on their greedy birathers.

Air route is crazy expensive, certainly not viable for large quantities of staple foods.

This whole thing is a ploy to get the Pakis to play their hand, so why bother about Chabahar?
why send anything at all now.

wait for some sort of collective decision before poking your nose.

what do we stand to gain by rushing in and if we are so keen to get back, why did we even leave at all.

the pakis and the taliban are rooking us once again, like they have been doing all along.

The freeloading afghanis are simply in it for the money and the free ride
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Agree 100%
This first bencher eager to get good boy pat on the back behaviour must stop.
The whole Ummah, OIC, EU, Amreeka are looking the other way, why should India feel the itch ?!

If you send any aid through Pak, they will pilfer most of it given their food scarcity and inflation.
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Cyrano wrote:Agree 100%
This first bencher eager to get good boy pat on the back behaviour must stop.
The whole Ummah, OIC, EU, Amreeka are looking the other way, why should India feel the itch ?!

If you send any aid through Pak, they will pilfer most of it given their food scarcity and inflation.
It's more like what India will have to concede to the pakis for the "right" to help the afghans

do we even have a dog in this fight and why are we hell bent on feeding a mangy flea bitten street dog that sleeps outside someone else's house

the eyeranians are already out in force, very unhappy that we are not "helping" them.

they are unhappy with India for not fulfilling promises of making investments in chabahar port.

The minute that the chabahar port is fully operational, they will kick us out.

Their big problem is that they are unable to get container cranes because of the ameriki sanctions while India can get them, even for chabahar (with some difficulty) and also that we are "friendly" with the amerikis but will not "help" eyran in their problems with the amerikis.

so they insist that India should break sanctions just to buy their bleddy oil onlee

These rogues have openly shortchanged India on every deal that they have made with India so far and yet they expect "help". what an greedy and entitled bunch of creeps

They screwed us over in the farzad-B gas field deal which eyran had promised to India but reneged. India has thereafter reduced gas imports from eyran which has again left them "unhappy". India had dropped a huge bundle in the farzad-B gas field development

All deals with these dishonest and greedy taqiya guys are one way onlee.

And, why do we need to kiss so many frogs just to keep these taqiya ummah clowns happy


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shyamd wrote:IK and Bajwa had a disagreement over next ISI chief. IK wants Faiz to continue due to Afghan situation and threats from there. Though TSPA announced Anjum this hasn’t been officially accepted by Govt. Negotiations are still ongoing.
Per press reports this is still continuing. HT/GOI leaks:

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One of the key reasons behind the removal of Lt Gen Hameed by Gen Bajwa was due to the former’s proximity to the Taliban regime in Kabul, particularly the Sirajuddin Haqqani group. While PM Khan wanted Afghanistan to add to Pakistan strategic space against India, Gen Bajwa apparently believes that the toxic ideology of the Taliban would ultimately harm his country. The Pakistan army chief is against radical extremism from Afghanistan spilling over across the Durand Line.
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Why isn’t Pakistan sending afghans locusts?
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sanjaykumar wrote:Why isn’t Pakistan sending afghans locusts?
waiting for taliban govt recognition

if afghans locusts caught or killed in cashmere by the IA, the taliban and paki goose will be cooked
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Plus it is not soo easy to walk over the LOC like before.
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Taliban are conducting show off parades with armoured vehicles and choppers left behind by the US and its allies. If they are so lacking in funds to feed the population, they can put these assets up for sale on eBay. I don't see why they are more deserving of food aid than many other countries in sub-saharan Africa or South America.

India should actually push UN to announce a "food for weapons" program for Afghanistan - For ex: 10kg of wheat/rice for each weapon surrendered - which will be immediately destroyed and the metal should be melted to make equipment for children's playgrounds. And fix similar rates for all other types of weapons including APCs and choppers.
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Cyrano wrote:...

India should actually push UN to announce a "food for weapons" program for Afghanistan - For ex: 10kg of wheat/rice for each weapon surrendered - which will be immediately destroyed and the metal should be melted to make equipment for children's playgrounds. And fix similar rates for all other types of weapons including APCs and choppers.
Very good strategic idea this, Sir ji.

None of the Loud-mouths will agree to it of course, but it will give a good way to have a lot of chai-samosa (or Sambosa) sessions
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This is from 1998, nothing has changed. Same Taliban, all else is a dream.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=uk

Afghans Starve in Siege From Within
BY DEXTER FILKINS
MAY 8, 1998 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
YAKAWLANG, Afghanistan — Each day, news of starvation comes down from the villages, carried on foot across mountain passes still deep in springtime snow.
Two children dead from hunger in Naito. Twenty-five people in the villages around Jawqul Lal. Six in Shenia, where the villagers are eating grass.

The high, rugged region of central Afghanistan known as the Hazarajat, home to 1.5 million people with a distinct culture dating to the days of Genghis Khan, is teetering on the edge of famine.

Sealed off by the Taliban, the fundamentalist Islamic army that lords over two-thirds of Afghanistan, thousands of Hazaras are running out of food.

Since July, the Taliban has blocked supply routes in hopes of starving the forces that control the region. The result, according to villagers and international agencies, is that civilians are starving instead.

U.N. officials say the situation--a government blocking efforts to feed its own people--is extraordinary.

“My baby was crying for food, and I didn’t have any food to give her,” said Ghulam Nabi, a shepherd’s helper in Shenia, a collection of primitive flat-roofed mud huts without electricity and running water. Since December, residents say, six people have starved to death, four of them children.

Nabi, who spoke while sitting cross-legged on the floor of his neighbor’s home, worried that the whole village might suffer the fate of his 8-year-old daughter, Tahera. She died in January.

“All of us will die unless things change,” Nabi said.

The winter that still wreathes the rugged earth here has prevented a full accounting of the misery. U.N. officials say they have so far received reports of 106 hunger deaths--and they fear that the actual total is much higher.

Villages across the region, which encompasses all or part of six provinces, report that families are down to their last days of food and have no seeds to plant. People in several hamlets, such as Shenia and Neali, say they have begun to boil and eat mountain grasses for lack of anything else. A hospital in Yakawlang run by the Red Crescent relief agency says the town is on the verge of a measles epidemic, spurred in part by the malnutrition that has degraded the immune systems of so many children.

Some people have left their villages to wander across the mountains in search of food.

Although signs of acute malnutrition--distended stomachs, extreme thinness--are not yet very common, Anis Haider, the director of the U.N. World Food Program for Afghanistan, said that as many as 160,000 Hazaras face starvation--one in every 10.

“Unless we get food in there very soon, you are going to see many people starve,” Haider said.

Teams of relief workers--on horseback, on donkeys, aboard old Soviet troop carriers--are setting out over the mountains to the remote villages to find out how bad things are. The workers have little food to deliver to these areas because the Taliban has blocked all U.N. attempts to ferry in supplies.

The Taliban’s refusal to lift the siege caused the Afghan peace talks in Islamabad, Pakistan, to break down Sunday. The talks have been suspended indefinitely.

Taliban leaders contend that any food that gets into the region could end up feeding the soldiers of the Hezb-i-Wahdat, the main Hazara army resisting the government. Former government soldiers and guerrillas throughout the country have been fighting the Taliban since it took up arms in 1994. In September 1996, the militia captured Kabul, the capital.

“We will not lift the blockade until we have a guarantee that the food will not get into the hands of the rebels,” Taliban spokesman Wakil Ahmad Mutawakel said.

In December, when the U.N. launched an airlift to bring food to the Hazara city of Bamian, Taliban planes bombed the runway.

The planes stopped coming.

Last month, at the urging of Bill Richardson, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., the Taliban’s leader agreed to end the blockade. Yet as soon as Richardson’s plane left the runway, Mullah Mohammed Rabbani changed his line, and the blockade stuck.

“We think the problems are being exaggerated,” said Habibullah Fouzi of the Afghan Embassy in Islamabad.

The Taliban’s ambassador to Pakistan said Wednesday at a news conference that his government is willing to allow 1,000 tons of food into the area.

Abby Spring, a spokeswoman for the World Food Program, said Thursday that the organization had received no word from the Taliban. She said the region needs between 10,000 and 20,000 tons of emergency food supplies.

The handful of roads leading into the region not controlled by the Taliban--those in the north--are too dangerous to travel, the U.N. says. Truckers trying to haul sacks of wheat over those roads have been looted and robbed by renegade commanders. In October, Kalashnikov-toting bandits sacked a U.N. warehouse in northern Afghanistan of 2,300 tons of food.

“It’s anarchy there,” said Georges Dubin, logistics coordinator for the World Food Program.

The Hazarajat siege seems likely to further besmirch the reputation of the Taliban, whose draconian interpretations of Islamic law have already drawn criticism around the world.

In the areas that they control, the bearded, turbaned clerics who lead the Taliban have forbidden girls from going to school and women from working and walking in public alone. They have banned such activities as kite flying, marble playing and dancing. On many Fridays in Kabul, the mullahs hold public executions, amputations and floggings.

The conflict between the Taliban and the Hazaras dates to 1989, when the Soviet Union pulled out of Afghanistan after a decadelong occupation. Since then, the country’s ethnic Pushtuns, who make up the majority of the Taliban, have squared off against Afghanistan’s minorities, of which the Hazaras are among the most numerous.

The Hazaras, clustered in the soaring, desolate Hindu Kush range, are set apart from the Taliban by language, looks and religion; they are descendants of the Mongolian tribes that swept the region more than 700 years ago. Adherents to the Shiite branch of Islam in a country dominated by Sunnis, the Hazaras maintain close links to neighboring Iran.

Ten months after it began, the Taliban blockade seems to be biting down hard into the Hazara people.

In Mindiak, a tiny village surrounded by vaulting valley walls, Shah Hassan displayed a small bag of flour and said he was lucky to have it. Last month, Hassan ran out of food for four days.

His 70-year-old mother, Durbibi, died.

“My mother looked at me but did not complain--she knew there was nothing I could do,” Hassan said. “We stared at each other in silence.”

Hassan knows that there is a blockade of the region, but he says he has never heard of the Taliban.

“I don’t know anything about the war,” he said.

In the best of times, the people here just manage to feed their families. The Hazarajat is a region of stunning, primordial beauty, but the land is harsh and the weather unforgiving, and the area does not grow enough food to meet its needs. In some villages in the Yakawlang valley, the only arable land stretches for five yards on each side of the river. The rest is rock and rubble.

Historically, the Hazaras have survived by raising sheep and selling them in cities such as Kabul and Ghazni. In most years, the shepherds walk their sheep into the towns to swap them for a months-long supply of staples such as wheat, which they use to bake flat, chewy disks of bread. Then they head back to their villages and prepare for the long winter. The stockpiled food might last them into the next year.

Villagers and U.N. officials say the Taliban blockade has shattered the fragile Hazara economy. The farmers complain that because they cannot take their sheep into the towns, they cannot get the wheat they need.

On top of the blockade, the winter this year arrived early, freezing much of the crops just before harvest.

And in the few parts of the Hazarajat where there is abundant food, it sits uneaten, because few people have any money to buy it.

In Shenia, villagers say economic activity has come to a standstill.

Mohammed Hassan, a shepherd and sharecropper, says he usually makes the 15-day walk to Ghazni each summer to sell his small flock of sheep. With the blockade, last summer he did not go. The early freeze took much of his wheat crop.

The result in Shenia is that the price of wheat has skyrocketed. Last year, Hassan said, he could get about 200 pounds of wheat for each of his sheep. This year, he received 70 pounds of wheat for each of his animals.

That’s not enough to feed his wife and five children, Hassan said. He is down to his last sack of wheat.

In a region where farm animals are considered currency, some farmers have begun doing the unthinkable: slaughtering their own sheep for food.

Qambar, 50, said he has so far killed 10 of his 15 sheep to feed his five children.

In another village, children already exhibit the signs of vitamin deficiencies--pale patches of skin on the face and neck.

U.N. officials predict that unless the blockade is lifted, many people will soon begin to leave their villages to look for food. The years of strife have already forced about 5 million Afghans to leave the country and about 3 million to seek refuge elsewhere in Afghanistan; 2.6 million remain displaced.

High atop the 12,000-foot Sagbaq Pass, which separates Bamian and Ghor provinces, a man--who gave his name only as Hussain--and the members of his family stopped for a rest recently. They were windburned and weak, having walked 12 days, they said, because their village, Qulbatoo, had run out of food.

U.N. officials say they fear that conditions are worse in the area that Hussain and his family left--on the western side of Sagbaq Pass. In Ghor province, the U.N. has received reports that as many as 65 people have starved to death.

With the efforts to find peace for Afghanistan stalled a country away, the U.N. is trying to get assurances from local commanders to let food trucks into the region.

But after 20 years of war, the farmers and shepherds of the Hazarajat are not very optimistic.

“The people want the war to end, but the commanders keep it going,” said Mohammed Jaffar, a town leader in Yakawlang. “If the war ended, no one would call them commander anymore.”
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The people want the war to end, but the commanders keep it going,” said Mohammed Jaffar, a town leader in Yakawlang. “If the war ended, no one would call them commander anymore.”
That pretty much sums up the whole of Middle East, their desert environment simply doesn't offer anything beyond subsistence to support a sizeable population. Hence raiding others is critical for survival, and hence the popularity and easy spread of islam which makes a virtue out of the necessity of being violent. Oil fuelled prosperity is but a passing phase. And despite the immense wealth oil has generated for much of the ME countries, they never managed it responsibly and frittered it away. Because deep down everyone feels wealth only attracts raiders sooner or later, so whats the point in saving, building etc. and when there is nothing left, we can go back to being raiders again.

Their societies' dominance hierarchy is based on power, which means the competency to be violent aggressor is valued and such individuals rise to the top. Also explains why the dominance hierarchy is exclusively male and the position relegated to females.

This is something American establishment has not correctly grasped, and neither has most of Indian establishment despite India having fought back these raiders for over a millennium now. The basic wiring and instinct of ME is very different. No amount of human rights talk, modern technology or media access can change that.
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Cyrano wrote:
The people want the war to end, but the commanders keep it going,” said Mohammed Jaffar, a town leader in Yakawlang. “If the war ended, no one would call them commander anymore.”
That pretty much sums up the whole of Middle East, their desert environment simply doesn't offer anything beyond subsistence to support a sizeable population. Hence raiding others is critical for survival, and hence the popularity and easy spread of islam which makes a virtue out of the necessity of being violent. Oil fuelled prosperity is but a passing phase. And despite the immense wealth oil has generated for much of the ME countries, they never managed it responsibly and frittered it away. Because deep down everyone feels wealth only attracts raiders sooner or later, so whats the point in saving, building etc. and when there is nothing left, we can go back to being raiders again.

Their societies' dominance hierarchy is based on power, which means the competency to be violent aggressor is valued and such individuals rise to the top. Also explains why the dominance hierarchy is exclusively male and the position relegated to females.

This is something American establishment has not correctly grasped, and neither has most of Indian establishment despite India having fought back these raiders for over a millennium now. The basic wiring and instinct of ME is very different. No amount of human rights talk, modern technology or media access can change that.
If this is all there is to Muslim countries, the world can only look forward to more trouble, and more intractable problems.

We hear that the leadership of UAE, and maybe even Saudi barbaria, has a vision that goes beyond these limitations; suggesting that maybe there is a strand or two of a broader vision, which can offer a way out, with some kind of softer & more pragmatic Islam.

What do you think? Is it just hype, wishful thinking? If so, where do we go from here?
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ME thinking can change if there is a strong dis-incentive for violence and their societies find value in other qualities to determine the dominance hierarchy.

What are these other qualities? Industriousness, intellectuality, enterprise, innovation, fairness, agreeableness, pacifism.

It's hard to be industrious in an arid, thankless land. Intellectuality is hard when living by on subsistence. Enterprise is possible only when you have surplus to trade (not just be a conduit between Europe and India). Innovation requires freedom and stable long term view of enjoying it's fruits. Fairness and agreeableness need the enshrinement of the principle of fundamental equality of all humans (including women and non believers). Pacifism requires a great degree of certainty in the absence of threats.

Under the veneer of giltz and business hubs, I don't really see UAE, Qatar embodying the above qualities. Saudi prince is trying to make some changes, but he has barely scratched the surface. Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Syria are also powder kegs, they too are mostly deserts. Nearly all are authoritarian regimes which rule with a barely concealed threat of violence.

SE Asian islamic countries are markedly different lands and are therefore able to value other qualities than violence, unless radicalised with malicious intent like BD.
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KLNMurthy wrote:
If this is all there is to Muslim countries, the world can only look forward to more trouble, and more intractable problems.

We hear that the leadership of UAE, and maybe even Saudi barbaria, has a vision that goes beyond these limitations; suggesting that maybe there is a strand or two of a broader vision, which can offer a way out, with some kind of softer & more pragmatic Islam.

What do you think? Is it just hype, wishful thinking? If so, where do we go from here?
To understand a moslem mind and it's theology, I will suggest watching Neeraj Atriji and Jaipur Dialogue various talks on YouTube. Infact Atriji has a series on them, very insightful and stomach stirring.
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Just wanted to share a timeline/thread
shyamd wrote: I think consensus within current TSPA establishment is they regret recognising the previous Taleban govt without support of international powers - bad PR and guilt by association. Especially that Taleban was not inclusive last time - this created its own instability. This time TSPA want there to be inclusive govt (with TSPA at the top to veto anything big .... like GOI involvement)

TSPA has outlined 2 core national interest:
1. Vision for future of Afghanistan (particularly the Durand Line border)
2. Role of India in that region

Previous Afghan govts failed on both counts. Right from the start Afghan govt told then senior TSPA officers that they don't recognise durand line.
Also the US was setting up ANDF ORBAT to focus on Pakistan(!).
Taleban takeover of Afghanistan was a necessity in their eyes. But there is no guarantee that they can control Taleban indefinitely.... Question is what is Taleban position on points 1 and 2 above.

TSPA expectation is that instability in places like FATA, Baluchistan and other places will reduce once Taleb take over is complete
shyamd wrote:
Assessment of Security Situation post Kabul takeover


TSPA priority
- TSPA support Taleban priority firstly will be to consolidate, secure and prevent any forces that can launch a counter coup. Apparently Kabul is not completely secure and the Taleban are still continuing operations.
- Negotiations are taking place between Taleban and forces that are capable of resisting thus the general amnesty for former Afghan govt officials (to complete the coup which means the Taleban/TSPA are still worried about resistance forces)
- The other issues is that TSPA know that there are a lot of groups that are not under direct C2 of TSPA - these will need to be dealt with as well eventually

- Consensus for major powers is that as long as Taleban is truly 'inclusive' then pressure will be taken off Taleban - I believe funds of the Afghan govt have been frozen or about to be frozen
- ISI backed troops such as LeT and JeM are playing a significant role. They have two roles - keep control of Taleban gangs going lose/off the chain and prevent forces that can launch a counter coup.

GOI moves
- First priority is securing all Indian nationals, diplomats and other interests of the Sikh/Hindu community. Majority of the work was completed in 48 hours from the green light given by GOI leaders.
- The next will be to re-establish connections with key players (some of whom are in Delhi) and others in central asian states.
- GOI have a choice. Either support those ready to launch a counter coup and make the point that Taleban hold is weak/vulnerable or move to a long term strategy which is to be recon/surveillance/intel focused.

With only around 9% of indian population vaccinated GOI's primary focus is to get this fixed.

Expectation is that we'll be back to stadium murders soon.
Apparently GOI - Taleban meeting was reported in arab press (the one that MEA denied that took place). Taleban said they welcome Indian investments in infra & education as these are for the benefit of all afghans. They also said the Taliban pledged to remain neutral in the India-Pakistan conflict, especially with regard to Kashmir, and affirmed that it has its own future policy on Pakistan.

They have also pledged not to interfere in Uyghur issues in china.
shyamd wrote: Be careful....maybe ISI want us to think that. From speaking to people I'm getting the sense all dirty business (terror training) will be shipped of to Afghanistan from places like Mansehra and PoK. TSP will follow the international community publicly...i.e. if the powers recognise, they will recognise... if they don't then TSP won't.

The impact will be TSPA will come out of FATF and look clean... they'll say all terror planning/training is happening from "ungoverned places".


Iran has close ties with many in Talebs but they aren't trusted.

UAE has approached Turkey for alliance on Afghan file.
Latest summary is:
- TSPA has sent feelers to London and DC on who may recognise the taleban govt. TSPA want to resolve Afg govt issue quickly because there is concern about refugee inflows
- KSA via former intel director Turki al Faisal is re-establishing contacts with Taleban. This is brokered via ISI. Meetings have been held with Mullah Yaqoob (Mullah omar's son) and other seniors. KSA view is better to have a taleb govt who will be more sympathetic vs Iran.
- I'm reminded that Taleban is a coalition of groups that range from anti TSPA, drug gangs, extremists, nationalists, Pro-Pakhtun ethnic groups, pro -TSP backed terror groups like Haqqani Network, former Afg govt officials... PLA is backing one faction, Iran another - particularly those in border districts with Iran... Russia also involved...(rumour has it ISKP was getting $$ from Russians...)... Sorting out and agreeing powersharing between these groups is proving a little difficult. Each person has earned their seat on table... and each country is having their rep on the table via shura council (incl. Iran)..
- Taleban are being asked to repay debts to these nation states like Russia, Iran, TSP, China who supported them over the years.
- UAE cooperating with Turkey/Qatar alliance on Afghanistan...but it's early days.
- Threat of counter coup has largely reduced..
shyamd wrote: Qatar has been shocked by how different the 'on ground' situation is compared to the promises made in Doha. Qatar, US and others in the region were promised a 'transitional' govt and preparations were seriously underway (hence why the ANA was asked to go slow or withdraw and their C2 had collapsed). The talib mil commanders on the ground ignored all of this and carried on incl. entering Kabul despite all promises by the Talib political leaders not to do so.

It is the military leaders who have the greatest influence over the situation.
Abdul Qayum Zakir (now the defence minister of the Taleb govt. He is the leader of Badri 313 ), Mullah Yaqoob (Mullah Omar's son and leader of the military movement) and Haqqani Network (ISI backed) are the key players in control of the situation. Apparently the military leaders are not cooperating with the political members like Stanekzai and others.

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GOI stating that once a permanent govt is formed towards year end, they will talk to that Talib govt..
Apparently HQN faction is dominating Kabul (Jalalabad - Kabul axis). Mullah Yaqoob has Kandahar area. Not sure if its psyops but they are saying Yaqoob and Haqqani are not cooperating wrt political settlement. Haqqani wants inclusivity with previous govt but Yaqoob not interested.

UK Foreign Min met TSP/A to discuss Afg. UK and US answer is that what was promised in Doha was not delivered and therefore we are far away from recognizing Taleban Govt.

Not sure if it’s true but ISI chief in Kabul today probably to attempt to sort things out
Latest I’m hearing is that UK is speaking to Tajik Govt to see if they can pressure Ahmad Massoud to join a future Govt in Afghanistan. (Which means TSP is promising west that Doha agreement will be implemented)…
shyamd wrote: Latest SitRep

- GOI is implementing a strategy & plan on Afghanistan that was created earlier this year. Plan was in process of being updated during collapse.
- GOI will not recognise the Taleb govt but will maintain links via Doha and Moscow.
- Intel assessment is that TSPA will turn up temperature in LoC and J&K very soon... There is a gradual redeployment of terror groups towards LoC (with Afghans being spotted).
- Meet held between PM, Def min, Home min yesterday. Number of options have been proposed by the Nat Sec (Defence is an element of Nat Sec) team with dealing with Afghan situation... Range of issues are being managed including how GOI will secure it's interest (i.e. make sure Afghan soil is not used for terrorism which is the top priority).
- My view: Armed forces (IA/IAF) will be making preparations for deployment to somewhere in central asia in coalition with regional powers (if green light provided). I suspect Brigade level operation with some air cover. Primary task will be border security.

- Not discussed but Tajikistan has made their intent clear - they will defend the interests of the Tajik population in Afghanistan. In August, Tajikistan mobilised 100k troops and called up 100k reserves. Russia is supporting these moves and have also joined in drills and are conducting border patrols/exercises. Volunteers have joined up with the National Resistance in Panjshir (with some state sanction)

Also hearing that ANA aircraft from Tajikistan were used to attack Talib positions today in the main road/valley into Panjshir... Sub-valleys are still being held by NRF.

- Russia also calling for inclusive govt similar to UK/US. Ultimately they want someone in charge of Afghanistan and to make sure there is no terror impacting the Central Asian states
- NSA level meeting between India - Russia to be held today to discuss Afghanistan
- Russia will be conducting military drills in all states sharing border with Afghanistan. India may be joining.

Other side matters:
- There is growing feeling in some quarters in Delhi that British intel and ISI were in cahoots on trying to get DC to recognise Taleban..
shyamd wrote:Intel assessment on Afghanistan

- there is a coalition of countries with shared interests (US, UK, India, Russia, central Asian states and China) with respect to terror emanating from Afghanistan that are cooperating.
- meetings taking place more regularly.

- inclusive Govt was always going to be a challenge for the taleban. Lot of intel effort was put in to get the Ghani Govt (and previous Govs) to be inclusive… so ppl were always aware that Taleban will struggle to do this.
- intel guys are very clear that this is a blow to ops… there is no substitute to being on the ground

Delhi is viewing the current situation as a national security crisis.

TSPA are thrilled and celebrating with current situation. Lots of boasting in the region.
I’m told ordinary folks are fearful… many are moving family to Peshawar/TSP or elsewhere. General brain drain.

Couple of points to add. TSPA is shifting resources to Indo-TSP border as well.

The major concern is the economic situation as aid runs out... Taleban will be forced to increase drug production + be at the mercy of financial sponsors... India will face some of the issues.

MEA thinks we should continue infra assistance after 3 months to change Taleban policy....

West is focused on cyber & drones strikes for now.
Update:
The diplomatic position of Russia, India and others is that if Afghan soil is used to launch terror attacks - ISI/TSPA will be held responsible as they now own the problem of Afghanistan. This has been communicated to TSPA via multiple emissaries.

Like GOI, Russia does not trust ISI/TSPA/Taleban et al and will seek to ensure Afghanistan isn't used to push terrorists into the region.

Added later: I am told TSPAF fighter jets, helicopters, drones and SSG were involved in a night time raid of Panjshir valley. The silence of everyone incl. GOI means there is some understanding of some sorts...
Intel update on ISI chief visit - 14 Sept 21
- ISI chief turned up in Kabul with officials from 8 of their departments.
- the objective of the visit was to:
(a) support the establishment of the interim govt
(b) draw out the plan of the future defence and security services of the new state.

- TSPA wish to create a professional defence and security establishment at Kabul with proper equipment... (most probably chinese gear)
- The intelligence chief is TajMir Javvad. Defence will be led by Abdulhaq Wasiq from Ghazni province.
- The new afghan military doctrine will be closely aligned to TSPA's.
- The force is expected to be a national force with cadre recruited from all ethnic groups in the country.
- 2 objectives for this force is:
(a) border protection
(b) counter terror
- The new force will be equiped by TSPA and will utilise NATO leftovers like helicopters etc.
- ISI chief was keen to integrate Badri 313 into this new establishment and make it the primary Spec Forces unit.

My view is this is similar to how the british ran the empire - let the locals govern themselves but hold control of foreign policy, Defence & security. Appoint a political resident to monitor the politics..

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Iranian FM expected to meet EAM in Dushanbe on the sidelines. He was expected to be in Delhi yesterday but they decided to just have the convo in Dushanbe instead. Speculation that EAM will meet TSP FM in Dushanbe.

Saudi delegation to arrive in Delhi this weekend to discuss Af Pak. UAE Crown Prince and PM spoke about Afghanistan last week.
Update 22/09/21
- PLA undertook recon of Bagram airbase possibly to set up an intel facility alongside Taleb/TSPA
- On US drone basing in India - GOI has asked for some conditions to be met before anything happens... Also accuracy of the drone campaign in general is being questioned.
Added later: TSPA is cool with the drone campaign as long as they get paid... Of course they will try and use it to attack the people they want bumped off.

- ISI chief visit in public to Kabul was partly to begin their internal campaign regarding promotions. Gen Faiz trying to succeed Bajwa. Campaign is in full swing.

- TSPA is deeply worried about the refugee problem (as I've stated above) and now they are even more worried. Part of the worry is that many individuals with armed training may start wrecking havoc by whoever wishes to fund and train them. think about role of TTP.

Al-Qaeda Could Strike U.S. From Afghan Base Next Year, Spies Say
shyamd wrote:Intel Update 8th Oct
- Tajik's gave the go ahead for a operating base to be established led by RAW with support from MI/Indian military.
- Plan is to organise, arm and train the Afghan opposition - mostly former NDS, ANDF on this GOI base.
- Russia is part of this alliance.

This base is the key part of the tensions between Taliban/ISI and Tajikistan. Taliban have resorted to deploying AQ, Uyghur, Tajik units and are trying to influence the situation through tajik islamic political entities. Tensions very serious and as I said I don't rule out a brigade level op.
Update 19th Nov
- Update on regional conference in Delhi below
- NSA met with Tajik counterpart the day before Delhi conference where a number of agreements were signed
- First step is to increase IAF deployment in Gissar.
- Akash ADS to be deployed and a radar network being set up (or possibly already deployed)
- Both parties agreed to support Saleh led govt
- A former indian ambassador who coordinated Indian action in 2001 has been asked to take the lead on strategic elements with Dushanbe, particularly on support to Saleh led govt.
- IAF may have already conducted air strikes due to intervention by TSPA on Panjshir. I had already mentioned SSG were providing support to Taleban. :twisted: :twisted:

Taliban given till March to make Govt inclusive (some small successes have been reported with Shia community). If there is continued support for terror then dash to Kabul will be initiated again IMO
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Taliban given till March to make Govt inclusive (some small successes have been reported with Shia community). If there is continued support for terror then dash to Kabul will be initiated again IMO
I wonder why this "inclusive Taliban Govt" concept is being positioned as a holy grail. If let's say Khalistanis grabbed power in Punjab, them having a couple of xtians and Ms will make them legitimate? Will Pakis have any less influence on them? We are just taking an idiotic US phrase and blindly running with it even after they folded and don't give a **** anymore.

Bad strategy.

In a world where even a totally binary "you're with us or you're against us" starting point gave very mixed results, India going in with this kind of compromised approach is like saying "to make women feel safe, don't beat them in public".

India will come to regret this washerman's dog approach.
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We keep talking positive with token support. Support only If their talk and actions match. Demand things which we know Napaki will not agree and see how far cavemen can put pressure on Napaki government. Either Napaki will agree or it will create rifts between them.
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There wont be any dash to Kabul. Not anymore. US has moved on and has bigger fights looming ahead that need its focus and resources. Plus the threat of terror from Taliban is minimal.

Taliban has very little capability to do any terror outside Af-Pak region. US forces have left the region so they cant hurt US in the region. And with the US surveillance and intelligence capabilities it would be hard for Taliban to support terror groups and initiate any large scale attack outside Afghanistan.

They may be able to do that with help from Pakis but Pakis balls (economic) are in US hands right now. An FATF blacklist will send Paki economy to hell in few days. Pakis are smart to understand this.

Overall west has no interest in Taliban anymore. and Taliban has no way to get their attention anymore.
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x posted from the terroristan threadthe pakis forget that some things always come back to bite their own bony paki asses


In his unfortunate UN speech niazi said “ Pakistan created Taliban, trained them provided food and shelter, Pakistan did everything for them” Pakistanis were singing, dancing and clapping celebrating for Taliban for taking over Afganistan


and now, the pakis are REAPING WHAT THEY SOWED.


Taliban tear down barbed wire fence put up by Pak forces as Durand Line border tension brews


Taliban tear down barbed wire fence put up by Pak forces as Durand Line border tension brews

WION Web Team
Kabul Published: Dec 22, 2021,




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A video of the incident had gone viral, showing Afghanistan forces threatening their Pakistani counterparts with harsh repercussions if another attempt was made to erect barbed wires along the border

In a sign of fresh border tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan, the Taliban forces uprooted barbed wires erected by the Pakistan security forces in the eastern Nangarhar province along the Durand Line, according to local media reports.

According to the Afghanistan-based Khama Press (KP) news agency, the barbed wires were destroyed and brought to Afghanistan.

A video of the incident had gone viral, showing Afghanistan forces threatening their Pakistani counterparts with harsh repercussions if another attempt was made to erect barbed wires along the border.

“Next time if you look bad at Afghanistan, I will come and make this area (only hundreds of meters from Pakistan’s soil) and will make it my frontline to wage war with you. I swear by Allah that waging war with you makes me happier than waging war with Jewish,” KP quoted Doctor Bashir as saying in the video.

Khama Press also said, while citing reports, that Pakistani forces launched artilleries on Kunar province on Monday night after the incident in the Gushta district of Nangarhar province.


The reports of fresh skirmish along the border come days after Pakistan hosted the 17th session of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in Islamabad to discuss the Afghanistan situation.

Durand Line is an international border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The border earned its moniker after British civil servant Sir Henry Mortimer Durand who signed an agreement with Amir Abdur Rahman, then the Afghan ruler, on November 12, 1893, to establish an international border between British India and Afghanistan.

Durand Line often witnesses periodic skirmish between the two forces. Previous Afghan governments, including the Taliban, have repeatedly opposed the British demarcation of the border.

Recent Pakistani attempts to establish fences and border posts along the disputed border have been met with stiff resistance from Afghanistan.

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Afghanistan, Pakistan dispute over the durrand line escalates 2 days after OIC meet


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Saudi Arabia sends 200 trucks loaded with relief goods to Afghanistan via Pakistan
Islamabad: Saudi Arabia’s King Salman Humanitarian Aid and Relief Centre (KSRelief) has launched a project in Islamabad to dispatch 200 trucks carrying food and winter relief goods for the people of Afghanistan facing hunger and economic meltdown.

The KSRelief humanitarian aid included 30,000 food baskets and 10,000 winter bags, weighing 1,920 tons.
The support from KSA comes after the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) pledged to help the people of Afghanistan at the 17th extraordinary session of foreign ministers of OIC in Islamabad on December 19. Nearly 23 million Afghans are facing hunger and 1 million children are at risk of dying unless they receive immediate treatment for malnutrition, according to UN estimates.
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