Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

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Roop wrote:
nam wrote:Our defeat in Afghanistan ...
"Our" defeat?!!! WTF, how is it our defeat? Did India have military forces deployed in Afgh to defend the country?
Our problem is not how Afghanistan ends up as.They win or loose, is not our concern. Our job is to drain Pak resources by keeping it busy in Afghanistan.

And for that we should have large MIC to provide cheap weapons to Afghan government. This is our "defeat".
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The current Taliban is a slightly different beast as compared to 2001. Back then Mullah Omar was the supreme leader with OBL giving him support.
As per some reports, the current Taliban also has Tajiks, Uzbegs and even Shias in their ranks. There is no single supreme commander.
The point to understand is how the Taliban are co-ordinating their military strategy? Its not simply moving from 1 district to another. There different modules attacking at several places simultaneously.
The ANA always seems to caught offguard when their positions are attacked. The ANA probably would be having access to US satellite intelligence to guide them about the movement of Taliban. Hundreds of Taliban fighters cannot simply show up at different places in the country without the ANA and local administration knowing about it.

India's best options are to try and drive a wedge between the Pastuns and Punjabi's in pakistan. Already over the past couple of years the Pashtuns have been demonstrating against the paki army high handedness. If this discord can be increased, then the Talibunis can also be bribed to get the erstwhile areas of eastern Afghanistan under their control. The areas which were humiliatingly ceded over to the British in 1893. This would hurt pakistan much more. Instead of gaining strategic depth, they would loose the same.
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From Afghans there is a lot of Paki Punjabi involvement, must be in coordination with the Chinese, USA and West is literally acting as the press corps for the Taliban. I think if enough small arms are given through Tajiskistan- the Afgans can hold out from this Paki onslaught and slowly war will move into Pakistani heartland.
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https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-executes ... 41836.html
Taliban ‘executes 22 unarmed Afghan commandos’ after they surrendered as Biden’s pullout sparks criticism
Shweta Sharma, July 13, 2021

In a shocking incident purportedly captured on camera, Taliban fighters executed 22 surrendering members of Afghan special forces who had run out of ammunition, according to reports.
The video obtained by CNN shows Afghan soldiers emerging from a building in a public square with their arms in the air as some men wielding guns screamed, “surrender, commandos, surrender.” Soon, gunfire shots rang out as cries of "Allahu Akhbar" are heard.
Nearly two dozen commandos were allegedly executed in a town market of Dawlat Abad in Faryab province on 16 June, reports said.
However, the Taliban has denied carrying out the execution to CNN, saying the videos are fake and they still have the captured soldiers from Faryab province. They called it propaganda of government so that people do not surrender.
However, the Red Cross and the Afghan Ministry of Defense have confirmed the 22 deaths. The defence ministry denied that the members were in detention and said they have been killed.
An eyewitness told the news outlet that the commandos had run out of ammunition and received no air support or reinforcement after fierce fighting of about two hours with the Taliban.
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/af ... d=msedgntp

Meanwhile some pockets of fightback by ANA. A couple of districts recaptured in Badakshan province.
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gunfire shots rang out as cries of "Allahu Akhbar" are heard.
I saw the CNN report with the video in which this happens. Those cries seemed like they knew what they were doing was horrible and were desperately seeking to be absolved by the very god in whose name they were killing those men who were surrendering. There is no peace to be found within or without when such an ideology has screwed with your brain. So terrible !
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I. am interested in Turkey's objectives in the offensive., i think it will be limited to Kabul and also some areas where their factions operate., it is a good template for India to follow., not definitely a full-scale military involvement, but limited. The Taliban is likely to be stretched thin even with the involvement of porki army. Is Turkey involved with any of the groups ?
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kit wrote:I. am interested in Turkey's objectives in the offensive., i think it will be limited to Kabul and also some areas where their factions operate., it is a good template for India to follow., not definitely a full-scale military involvement, but limited. The Taliban is likely to be stretched thin even with the involvement of porki army. Is Turkey involved with any of the groups ?
Turkey is no doubt intervening to assist the Pakistanis and Taliban. Backing Sunni extremists has always been their default position as demonstrated in Syria and Libya. The ANA's only hope is now Iran and the Central Asian republics. Russia, India and the US have bowed out.
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nam wrote:Our job is to drain Pak resources by keeping it busy in Afghanistan.

And for that we should have large MIC to provide cheap weapons to Afghan government. This is our "defeat".
Not sure GoI wants to be involved that way. There are plenty of locally made weapons that could be supplied if there was the desire. Even something like the artillery guns under development could be supplied on condition that real world usage data be sent back to DRDO.
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kit wrote:I. am interested in Turkey's objectives in the offensive., i think it will be limited to Kabul and also some areas where their factions operate., it is a good template for India to follow., not definitely a full-scale military involvement, but limited. The Taliban is likely to be stretched thin even with the involvement of porki army. Is Turkey involved with any of the groups ?
I am not sure but here is an interesting data point.

About a month ago on PBS Frontline (a news documentary series produced by the largely govt-funded Public Broadcasting System in the US), there was a long episode that was essentially an image-boosting PR piece for a guy called Abu Mohammed al-Jolani.

Al-Jolani is the head of Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS), the main Jihadi militia still and fighting against the Assad regime. They hold Idlib province, have massive assistance from Turkey, and blackmail the EU by saying "if you don't leave us alone we will flood Turkey-- and then your home countries-- with refugees". Russia is not doing much against HTS because Putin is trying to become best buddies with their sponsor, the petty-caliph Erdogan, even to the extent of throwing Russia's old allies under the bus (e.g. Armenia).

Al-Jolani has quite the CV. He was part of Al-Zarqawi's Al Qaeda in Iraq. Left it and joined hands with Al-Baghdadi's ISIS, as commander and founder of the jihadi organization Jabhat-al-Nusra. Then again switched sides back to Al-Qaeda and positioned himself against ISIS. At some point the international heat on al-Nusra got too intense, so he "rebranded" his organization (favourite Jihadi trick) as HTS, which it remains today. They run an ISIS-style mini-caliphate in Idlib, on the Turkish border, with all the joys that entails.

So it was very strange to see an American journalist sitting down across from Al-Jolani-- who had exchanged his jihadi fatigues for a smart western suit to appear on camera-- and talking about Assad's human rights abuses. Clearly, there is an effort to rehabilitate this mass-murderer's image in Washington. The whole thrust of the program was: Al-Jolani may have a chequered past, but the USA may need him as a partner in establishing "freedom and democracy" against the oppressive Syrian regime, curtailing Russia's influence, and preventing another refugee crisis in Europe.

Why do I bring this up? Because essentially HTS is a Turkish puppet, the occupation of Idlib is a Turkish strategic venture, and Turkey is now collaborating with Unkil to hold Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan.

Smells like Quid-pro-Quo?
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Pratyush wrote:So much for the people saying a clash of civilizations is wrong theory. That it will never happen.

China has Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, firmly in the back pocket. At the moment. The Arabs are waiting for indications. Before the cast their own lot with China. Taliban are ready t jump in bed with China.

Interesting equations are emerging in the world.
Its just a bag of fleas China is collecting. China today is just the capitalist,moneyed version of soviet union of the past. Many islamic militant factions trained in Soviet Republics back in 70s and 80s, they were armed by the KGB and used the soviet propaganda methods to gain support for their cause. Nasser's "arab socialism" too was heavily influenced by the Soviet Union, and unlike China USSR openly provided arms, ammunitions, planes and money to anti-US, anti-Israel arab countries.

If we are talking about clash of civilizations then it must be clear that the sunni arabs will never be comfortable in the same tent that also has the turks and the persians. Similarly, the persians will never be comfortable fighting along the turks or rabid sunni jihadis like the pakis/taliban. There's also the practical aspect of petro-dollars and the arab ruling class who are more comfortable in their saville row suits than their thawbs. Bottomline, we will periodically see such alignments but it will not result in a long term "one for all and all for one" organization because each one is a bigger cut throat than the next.

Except for Europe , Korea and Japan, the Americans have usually left a place far far worse than when they began, be it Vietnam, Cambodia, latin america, Iraq, Iran , Libya or Afghanistan. The end result of this invasion was clear from day 1, the afghanis are most content fighting amongst themselves or giving money to paki/turki smugglers to sail across to Europe than stand united and fight the taliban. The taliban wins because in that broken, factionalized country they are the only relatively organized force. Better result could have been achieved by breaking the country and creating a new one from the northern parts but the geography is so hostile that a new nation wouldnt have been able to hold off attacks from the taliban. Once they take kabul, it will be a repeat of the 90s, one war lord fighting the other to the last man with the pakis cheering on.
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1635051/no-sm ... -territory
'No smoking, no shaving': Taliban restore old rules in newly seized Afghan territory
They say they'll protect human rights but according to “Islamic values” that are interpreted differently across the Muslim world.
AFP, 14/7/2021

Days after the Taliban captured a remote district in Afghanistan's north, they issued their first orders in the form of a letter to the local imam.
“It said women can't go to the bazaar without a male companion, and men should not shave their beards,” said Sefatullah, 25, a resident of Kalafgan district.
The insurgents also banned smoking, he added, and warned that anybody violating the rules “will be seriously dealt with”.
The Taliban are making huge advances across the country as they capitalise on the final withdrawal of foreign troops — capturing districts, seizing key border crossings, and encircling provincial capitals.
In some areas, they are again introducing the harsh interpretation of Islamic rule that earned them notoriety until being overthrown by the US-led invasion that followed the September 11 attacks.
Last month, they took Shir Khan Bandar, a northern customs post that connected the country to Tajikistan over a US-funded bridge that spanned the Panj river.
“After Shir Khan Bandar fell, the Taliban ordered women not to step out of their homes,” said Sajeda, who told AFP she worked in a local factory at the time. “There were many women and young girls doing embroidery, tailoring and shoe-making [...] The Taliban's order has now terrified us,” she told AFP by phone. The Taliban ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 according to a hardline interpretation of the Holy Quran.
Women were ordered to stay indoors unless accompanied by a male relative, girls were banned from school, and those found guilty of crimes such as adultery were stoned to death.
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'Marry your daughters to the Taliban'
A statement purporting to come from the Taliban, circulated on social media this week, ordered villagers to marry off their daughters and widows to the movement's foot soldiers.
“All imams and mullahs in captured areas should provide the Taliban with a list of girls above 15 and widows under 45 to be married to Taliban fighters,” said the letter, issued in the name of the Taliban's cultural commission.
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Rudradev wrote:
kit wrote:I. am interested in Turkey's objectives in the offensive., i think it will be limited to Kabul and also some areas where their factions operate., it is a good template for India to follow., not definitely a full-scale military involvement, but limited. The Taliban is likely to be stretched thin even with the involvement of porki army. Is Turkey involved with any of the groups ?
I am not sure but here is an interesting data point.

About a month ago on PBS Frontline (a news documentary series produced by the largely govt-funded Public Broadcasting System in the US), there was a long episode that was essentially an image-boosting PR piece for a guy called Abu Mohammed al-Jolani.

Why do I bring this up? Because essentially HTS is a Turkish puppet, the occupation of Idlib is a Turkish strategic venture, and Turkey is now collaborating with Unkil to hold Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan.

Smells like Quid-pro-Quo?
Turkey seems to be intent on becoming the intermediary two-bit player playing both sides despite having an agenda of its own! .. Wonder why India does not want a piece of the action :mrgreen:
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Afghanistan is a big defeat for the US. They should have - at a minimum - done two things below, that wouldn't have cost much (if at all) and would have allowed them to save their face

First, make it the world's problem: Once the core mission was over (atleast after OBL was killed), they should have foistered it on UN Peacekeepers and gotten their people out. Yet, they wanted to do it themselves (and I suspect it wasn't in their MIC's best interests to let go of the gravy train) and had the useless NATO carry small bit of work.

Second, involve the Afghans that really hate the Taliban. I know that the Afghan society is backward, tribal etc but would it have killed them to have soldiers/militias of women ? Especially having seen how the Peshmerga operated against ISIS ....
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Pratyush wrote:So much for the people saying a clash of civilizations is wrong theory. That it will never happen.

China has Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, firmly in the back pocket. At the moment. The Arabs are waiting for indications. Before the cast their own lot with China. Taliban are ready t jump in bed with China.

Interesting equations are emerging in the world.
Sorry posting cross thread but felt relevant.
Given the recent call for arms against Indians in SA!! seems like Chini strategy for soft overseas Indian targets first
Look at CAA debates in Europe/farm law protest by sikhs in Kaneda
What would it achieve:
1. Force Modiji's hand
2. Stoke fires at home given second wave of corona and the perception created by the BIFS
3. Try and build Yuvraj for 2024 so that he can finally deliver what his great grandfather promised and failed to deliver to the chin
BRICS falling apart with Russia in clear sights of NATO, SA failing, Brazil reeling from COVID and its fallout, the last man standing is India.
:shock: Whether BRICS was deliberately setup to trigger melt-down from within
Militant black movement in US and elsewhere, worried what the next soft target would be:
Me thinks the affluent Indian diaspora in USA(and I fervently hope and wish I am proven wrong)
As someone rightly said there is hardly any difference between communism and islam except for AOA.
There is the Kabaa to go around for one and in the erstwhile USSR you had Lenin's body to go around!! :rotfl:
And world dominance at any cost!
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bharathp wrote:
vinod wrote:Why can't India get into an covert understanding with afghan taliban and say India will help taliban to take over Pakistan and make it the great Afghanistan?
when did the invaders stop at one border? my 2 cents: dont fall into the trap of "understanding" with people who consider us infidels and lesser beings. we dont need afg to take over TSP.
The idea is to keep them fighting each other. Of course, the focus will be on us once the issues are resolved amongst them. We will have to keep a buffer against these fanatics and Pakis aren't going to roll over inn ajiffy either.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... major-gain
Taliban claim Afghan border crossing with Pakistan in major gain
Hannah Ellis-Petersen in Delhi and Shah Meer Baloch in Islamabad, Wed 14 Jul 2021

The Taliban have claimed to have seized control of a crucial border crossing between Afghanistan and Pakistan, as their forces continue to rapidly advance in the wake of US troops pulling out, fuelling fears of the conflict spilling into Pakistan.
In one of their most strategic gains yet, on Tuesday night Taliban forces descended on the district of Spin Boldak in Afghanistan, just a few miles from the Pakistan border, and attacked several posts of Afghan troops, who reportedly surrendered immediately.
By the early hours of Wednesday, in a battle that took the lives of at least four Afghan soldiers and injured eight Taliban fighters, Taliban troops had taken full control of the city and the Afghan side of the Spin Boldak-Chaman border crossing into Pakistan, one of the most crucial trade and travel routes between the two countries.
Witnesses said Taliban forces had removed the Afghan flag and raised the Taliban flag over the crossing, which is known as Friendship Gate.
Images seen by the Guardian show Taliban fighters sitting in the offices of the crossing on the Afghan side with mountains of bank notes they had seized from customs.
The Afghan government maintained its forces had not lost control of the Spin Boldak border, but Pakistan officials confirmed that they had sealed their side of the crossing after heavy fighting had broken out on the Afghan side and no one was allowed through on either side.
A Taliban fighter involved in the fighting, who asked not to be named, told the Guardian that Taliban militants had taken the district and border crossing with relative ease.
“The battle started around 10pm, and we won the first posts without any fight, the Afghan forces were surrendering to us,” he said. “When we entered the city of Spin Boldak, there was some fighting and four Afghan soldiers were killed, and Taliban forces took all their arms and vehicle. By 1am, the Taliban had taken control of immigration at the crossing.” He said the fighting was ongoing in the surrounding area but that Afghan forces had retreated from Spin Boldak district, which was now completely under Taliban control. He described the seizing of the border crossing, which is the second busiest entry point into Afghanistan, as “as good as taking Kabul” as many of the supplies going into Afghanistan’s capital come through the Spin Boldak border route.
However, the Afghan interior ministry said its security forces had repelled the Taliban’s efforts to take Spin Boldak.
Since the US began withdrawing troops from Afghanistan in May after more than two decades, the Taliban have embarked on a nationwide offensive and successfully seized swathes of the country while Afghan security forces have all but collapsed.
Control over the border crossings can be a lucrative source of customs revenue. In recent days, Taliban forces have also seized other major border crossings with Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Iran. Seizure of the Spin Boldak-Chaman crossing is particularly strategic as it provides the Taliban with direct access to the Pakistan region of Balochistan, which many Taliban leaders use as their base, and where Taliban fighters regularly travel to for medical treatment. Many Taliban fighters in Afghanistan are recruited in Pakistan and this week, there were pro-Taliban rallies in the Pakistan cities of Peshawar and Quetta. The Taliban fighter said that he had been informed that “dozens of people in the Pakistan bordering area of Chaman are ready to join the Taliban to fight jihad and take Kabul but they are unable to cross over because Pakistan has closed the border”. Locals in Chaman, the town on the Pakistan side of the border, said they had been asked not to leave their homes unnecessarily following the Taliban’s seizure of the border crossing, and the area had been put under a high security alert.
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https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... es/2120748
China asks Taliban to make ''clean break'' from all terrorist forces
K J M Varma, 14 July 2021

Beijing, In a significant policy statement on the Taliban which is making big gains in its offensive in Afghanistan, China has asked it to make a "clean break" from all terrorist forces, especially the al-Qaida-backed Uyghur Muslim militant group ETIM fighting for the volatile Xinjiang province’s independence.
In his media briefing at Dushanbe, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi stressed that further spread of the war in Afghanistan, especially an all-out civil war, should be avoided and pitched for restarting of intra-Afghan negotiations to realise political reconciliation and prevention of all kinds of terrorist forces from gaining ground in Afghanistan.
The Taliban, as a major military force in Afghanistan, should realise the responsibilities it bears for the nation, make a "clean break" with all terrorist forces and return to the mainstream of Afghan politics, Wang said on Tuesday. He also praised the Afghanistan government -- which often accuses Beijing’s "all-weather ally" Pakistan of harbouring the Taliban militants -- saying that the government headed by President Ashraf Ghani has done a lot of work for national unity, social stability and improvement of people''s livelihood, which should be justly evaluated.
Wang made the remarks during a joint press conference with Tajik Foreign Minister Sirojiddin Muhriddin following their talks in Dushanbe, official media here reported on Wednesday. His comments came ahead of the Foreign Ministers of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) meeting in Dushanbe to be attended by Wang besides External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar and Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi.
Significantly, Afghanistan Foreign Minister Mohammad Hanif Atmar has been invited to take part in the SCO contact group which will meet soon after the Foreign Ministers meeting. The eight member SCO grouping consists of China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, India and Pakistan. Afghanistan is an observer of the SCO group.
Wang said that post the US troop withdrawal, China expects Afghanistan to establish a broadly inclusive political arrangement, pursue a solid Muslim policy, resolutely combat all terrorism and extremist ideologies, and be committed to friendly relations with all neighbouring countries.
Observers say Wang’s comments on the Taliban indicate that China is not buying the Taliban’s recent overtures stating that it considers Beijing as a "friend". China is concerned that hundreds of East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM) fighters, reportedly grouping in Afghanistan, mostly Badakhshan province sharing a 90-km long border with Xinjiang through the narrow Wakhan corridor, will sneak into Xinjiang or through the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (POK) and the Central Asia states. The ETIM is trying to carry out an insurgency in Uyghur Muslim dominated Xinjiang province. Xinjiang also shares borders with PoK and Tajikistan.
China''s massive crackdown in Xinjiang, observers say, has exasperated the resentment among native Uyghur Muslims in the province and prompted the US, the EU and international human rights organisations to accuse Beijing of committing genocide.
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I hope that the Chinese will put some boots on ground in Afghanistan. Maybe someone can sell them an oil pipeline going through the region or something like that to tempt them.

After USSR in 80s and US in the past decade, I hoping that the Afghans can take care of Chinese too.
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Chalk Chinese are afraid of loosing shirt in this unlooly alea.
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srin wrote:Afghanistan is a big defeat for the US. They should have - at a minimum - done two things below, that wouldn't have cost much (if at all) and would have allowed them to save their face

First, make it the world's problem: Once the core mission was over (atleast after OBL was killed), they should have foistered it on UN Peacekeepers and gotten their people out. Yet, they wanted to do it themselves (and I suspect it wasn't in their MIC's best interests to let go of the gravy train) and had the useless NATO carry small bit of work.

Second, involve the Afghans that really hate the Taliban. I know that the Afghan society is backward, tribal etc but would it have killed them to have soldiers/militias of women ? Especially having seen how the Peshmerga operated against ISIS ....
This is pretty much the only workable strategy for any kind of peace and containment of terrorism.
Afghanistan is like the situation in the Congo, which is ungovernable, where devp. funds disappear and where the only stable areas are the capital and areas under UN Protection. Its worse than Congo to the extent that all factions unite to throw out anyone tying to impose peace and western systems of government on the country.
India should push for a UN peace keeping mission but only in those provinces (Hazara / Tadjik dominated ?) where tribal elders want their presence.
India should participate in that mission - we have an excellent record in bringing peace to Congo, Liberia and South Sudan.
Separately, offer train self defense forces among those tribes that are anti Taliban. From Kabul, build Afghanistan's TV and radio (give Afghans seats in JNU for mass media and let India manage content led by Bollywood). Support demands for an independent Pashtun nation.
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You cannot solve Afgansistan without breaking up Pakistan which USA was not willing to do. Free Baluchistan and where both Baluchistan and Afghanistan are protected by UN forces is the only workable solution. Supplies can then move from Gwadar to Afghanistan without the Taliban or its Masters interfering.
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^^^ I completely agree on Afghan problem to solve needs the trifurcation of not just Pakistan but also Afgha. Break Baloch section (including Afghan land), swap Quetta with SWAT and FATA region for Talib (Paktunishtan) and let Hazara/Tajik areas be separate. Leave Sindhi with Pakis to ensure constant nuisance
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/jais ... 210715.htm
Jaishankar meets Afghan Prez, pledges support for peace
Edited By: Hemant Waje, July 15, 2021

External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Thursday met Afghan President Ashraf Ghani in Tashkent and discussed the fast-evolving situation in Afghanistan in the face of withdrawal of United States forces from the country.
Jaishankar said he reiterated India's support for peace, stability and development of Afghanistan.
The meeting took place on the sidelines of a multilateral connectivity conference.
"Pleased to call on President @ashrafghani. Discussed the current situation in and around Afghanistan. Reiterated our support for peace, stability and development of Afghanistan," the external affairs minister tweeted.
Jaishankar travelled to Tashkent after a two-day visit to Tajikistan's capital Dushanbe where he attended a crucial meeting of the foreign ministers of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.The foreign ministers of the SCO countries extensively deliberated on the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan triggered by the Taliban's attempts to expand its influence in that country following the withdrawal of the US forces.
The US has withdrawn majority of its forces from Afghanistan. Afghanistan witnessed a series of terror attacks in the last few weeks as the US aimed to complete the withdrawal of its forces from Afghanistan by August-end, ending a nearly two-decade of its military presence in the war-ravaged country.
In his remarks at the SCO meeting on Wednesday, Jaishankar said that the future of Afghanistan cannot be its past and the World is against seizure of power by violence and force.
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not sure if you have heard this guy... gives different perspectives
https://youtu.be/l5ULFxBRrms
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Aditya_V wrote:You cannot solve Afgansistan without breaking up Pakistan which USA was not willing to do. Free Baluchistan and where both Baluchistan and Afghanistan are protected by UN forces is the only workable solution. Supplies can then move from Gwadar to Afghanistan without the Taliban or its Masters interfering.
Exactly! I have held the same view and posted the same on BRF - one cannot have enemy or pseudo-enemy states surrounding Afghanistan (from US PoV), a landlocked country, and expect any kind of success. It is so bloody obvious. Of course for us to say that Baluchistan should be freed (or the US should patch up with Iran) will sound like an Indian appeal, the fact is that it's the cheapest and most effective way to police Afghanistan.
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https://www.thefridaytimes.com/such-gup-380/

from the friday times, published in Pak
The Taliban’s most recent demand from those who are cutting and running from Afghanistan is that they will do a three-month ceasefire in exchange for the release of prisoners and the removal of the group’s leaders from the United Nations’ blacklist. The demand for the release of prisoners is understandable but why, you might ask, is the leadership is so keen to get off the UN’s blacklist? The answer is simple: their wives are dying to go to London and Paris to shop! This is one of the ways the “pure and simple” Taliban leadership has been “contaminated” by the consumer culture of the West since their comings and goings to Doha, and the ensuing “good times” shown to them and their families by the canny Yanks. Clearly, they also have plenty of money to throw around and the gap between the leadership and the commanders on the field is growing by the day.
regarding the hate for Pak citizens amongst the Afghans
An Isbad hack in Kabul tells of the widespread hatred against Pakistan amongst all Afghans, be they liberal or fundamentalist, Left or Right, women or men, rich or poor, young or old. He says while walking on the street, people who are recognizably Pakistani get heckled and shouted at by pedestrians and drivers alike. He reports that the Afghans consider Pakistan to be the bane of their lives and they hold Pakistan’s state policies directly responsible for their plight. Re the latter, the Afghans should know that they are not alone. A growing number of Pakistanis also hold their state’s policies to be directly responsible for their plight.
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Looks like pakis have enforced a no fly zone near there border crossing of spin boldak, they r threatning Afghan Air Force with bvr strikes if they come close.
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I had the misfortune to hear former ambassador and senior diplomat MK Bhadrakumar speak to a paki journalist on Reddit. I know we've discussed him in the past but everytime when i hear some of these "senior diplomats" speak it makes me wonder how did we survive as a nation for so long with so many traitors ?! The guy straight up says India is behaving like the Israel of South Asia and "hopes" Pakistanis will stabilize Afghanistan !

If gentle BRFites want to fry few braincells here's the link - https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/comme ... akumar_if/
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I wish India was behaving like Israel of South Asia :mrgreen:

Anyway, here's more about this Bhadrakumar guy from his own website

About me
But then, I will be gravely remiss if I do not acknowledge the two profound influences on my formative years....and my late father who was a prolific writer, author, and Marxist intellectual and thinker who introduced me at a young age to dialectics as a matchless intellectual tool to analyse the material world and decode politics.
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Simply put, the Indian Punchline reflects a humanist’s markings against the backdrop of the ‘Asian Century’. I am underscoring this because we live in difficult times, especially in India, with such acute polarization in discourses – ‘You are either with us or against us’.
And here is he, justifying Taliban taking over control of a key Af-pak border crossing

https://twitter.com/BhadraPunchline/sta ... 3946009602
They are taking control so that they can ensure border security & be interlocutors of regional states. Iran has expressed satisfaction.
Why are all the namunas born in India onlee?
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Not just born but is a part of the ecosystem which ruled/rules India. Looks like hating India, harboring hinduphobia and bowing to China/Pakis is a must for anyone aspiring to do their IFS/IAS. Sends a shiver down my spine when i think people like Bhadrakumar, MS Aiyar, Hamid Ansari etc. held such high offices during their time.
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Rampy wrote:not sure if you have heard this guy... gives different perspectives
https://youtu.be/l5ULFxBRrms
And what would that be? Can you post a brief summary for the benefit of those whose Hindi is not all that great?
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m_saini wrote:I wish India was behaving like Israel of South Asia :mrgreen:

Anyway, here's more about this Bhadrakumar guy from his own website.

Why are all the namunas born in India onlee?
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It is like this we produce too many 'Namunas' and they all have to you know what
And hence, as Tarek Fatah says, they produce too many 'Rectums' :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Ambar wrote:Not just born but is a part of the ecosystem which ruled/rules India. Looks like hating India, harboring hinduphobia and bowing to China/Pakis is a must for anyone aspiring to do their IFS/IAS. Sends a shiver down my spine when i think people like Bhadrakumar, MS Aiyar, Hamid Ansari etc. held such high offices during their time.
And the crusaders of Hindutva did not care to change this in even staying in power for 7 years. This was the first they should have done in 2014, changing anti hindu ecosystem, atleast from the institutions they control.
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Rsatchi wrote: Sainiji
It is like this we produce too many 'Namunas' and they all have to you know what
And hence, as Tarek Fatah says, they produce too many 'Rectums' :rotfl: :rotfl:
"Kiss thy neighbor" - Karl Marx :lol:
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at the conference in uzbekistan⁩, afghan president ashraf ghani publicly skewers niazi on paki support to the taliban

the paki pappu puts up a defence that no one believes.


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https://www.dawn.com/news/1635499/over- ... fghanistan
Over 30 injured people brought to Quetta for treatment from Afghanistan
Saleem Shahid, July 17, 2021

QUETTA: The Pak-Afghan border at Chaman remained sealed on Friday, but over 30 injured people were allowed to enter the border town from Afghanistan for medical treatment.
Pakistani border authorities at Chaman said that two bodies and the injured people were allowed to cross into Chaman from Wesh town of Afghanistan.
“Over 30 injured people were brought to Chaman for treatment and immediately taken to the district hospital in the town,” a senior official of Levies Force told Dawn over the phone, adding that after initial treatment they were shifted to private hospitals in Quetta.
He said the two persons whose bodies were also brought to the border town belonged to the Chaman district. The bodies were handed over to the families of the deceased.
The situation in Chaman is normal after the departure of Afghan nationals, including women, children, elderly people and patients, for their homes in Afghanistan. Pakistan had opened its border with Afghanistan on Thursday for three hours to allow Afghans and Pakistanis who had been stranded on both sides of the border.
Meanwhile Balochistan Home Minister Mir Ziaullah Langove has said that Pakistani security forces have been put on alert and more troops deployed at Chaman border after Taliban took control of Spin Boldak and Wesh areas of Afghanistan.
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U.S., Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan to form quad group to enhance regional connectivity - The Hindu

Uncle Sam had then formed a "Quad" with India to counter China, Uncle Sam has now formed a "Quad" with Pakistan to counter Russia :lol:
The US, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan have agreed in principle to establish a new quadrilateral diplomatic platform focused on enhancing regional connectivity, the Biden administration has said.

“The parties consider long-term peace and stability in Afghanistan critical to regional connectivity and agree that peace and regional connectivity are mutually reinforcing,” the State Department said on Friday.

Recognising the historic opportunity to open flourishing interregional trade routes, the parties intend to cooperate to expand trade, build transit links, and strengthen business-to-business ties, it said.

“The parties agreed to meet in the coming months to determine the modalities of this cooperation with mutual consensus,” said the State Department.

Afghanistan’s strategic location has for a long time been touted as a competitive advantage for the country. Afghanistan is bordered by Pakistan to the east and south, Iran to the west, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan to the north, and China to the northeast.

Located at the heart of the historic Silk Road, Afghanistan was long the crossroads of commerce between Asian countries connecting them to Europe, and enhancing religious, cultural, and commercial contacts.

The formation of the new quad group is important amid China's desire to extend its Belt Road Initiative (BRI) to Afghanistan.

The BRI, a multi-billion-dollar initiative launched by Chinese President Xi Jinping when he came to power in 2013, aims to link Southeast Asia, Central Asia, the Gulf region, Africa and Europe with a network of land and sea routes.

By virtue of its location, Afghanistan can provide China with a strategic base to spread its influence across the world.

Since the announcement of the withdrawal of U.S. forces by August 31, violence has been rising and efforts to broker a peace settlement between the Afghan government and insurgent Taliban have slowed.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/1 ... -abduction
Afghanistan recalls envoy, diplomats from Pakistan over abduction
18 Jul 2021. Afghanistan withdraws diplomats in response to the kidnapping of the ambassador’s daughter in Pakistan.
Afghanistan has withdrawn its ambassador and diplomats from Pakistan’s capital following the kidnapping of the ambassador’s daughter, the Afghan foreign ministry has said, a new blow to relations at a sensitive time for the Afghan peace process.
Silsila Alikhil, the daughter of Najib Alikhil, Afghanistan’s ambassador to Pakistan, was seized on Friday and held for several hours by unknown assailants who left her with injuries and rope marks. Pakistan authorities have said they are investigating the incident.
“The Afghan government recalled the ambassador and senior diplomats to Kabul until the complete elimination of the security threats, including the arrest and punishment of the perpetrators,” the Afghan foreign ministry said.
Alikhil was on her way home in the Pakistani capital when she was kidnapped, the ministry said on Saturday, adding that she was under medical care in hospital after being released.
“The abduction of Afgh ambassador’s daughter & her subsequent torture has wounded the psyche of our nation. Our national psyche has been tortured,” Afghanistan’s Vice President Amrullah Saleh said on Twitter.
Islamabad has relatively tight security and a population of about one million people.
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