Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby rsingh » 01 Oct 2016 20:48

I have noticed a very curious phenomena which is unique to Indians in India. We want to be outstanding,be known and be recognized by our actions (writings,lecture,saying,strange pictures or habits). Main reason is we want to be famous. Some study well and get good job and brag about this left and right. Some of us try to hook with some political party (main reason is to brag about it and get some mullah if we are lucky). Some of us go to Army and civil services and make sure that every body know about our power and never hesitate to demonstrate it (be it on people who are more successful then us or be it servent). First thing any Indian will tell you whom does he/she knows and try to impress you. Then I come to the point. There are some people who could not go to some real jobs and became journalist. Basically you do not need any qualification for that. To make yourself known you start shitting around. These days it is fashionable to question the Hinduism, to insult BJP, our traditions, praise muslims and worship Christians. Very soon chances are there that you would be pickup by some international NGO mybaap and then get paid to shit around. Come to Europe or America and get fevicoled to any gora you see. These people are used as useful ideot. I know a guy who brags that he was involved in developing the shield material for Agni missile and that he got some xyz prize from.........mind you US Govt. His wife is all around the world and is paid tens of thousands of Euros for designing some art brochure (bogus to me). During dinner I just mentioned that if they had idea of the concept of useful idiot.

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Postby Rahul M » 01 Oct 2016 21:03

OT

shiv wrote:
Rahul M wrote:
quoting

this is actually a very valid point. I used to call this 'mutual back-scratching society'.

I was looking at a country comparison of papers published and I found that "self citations" where authors cite their own work is very high in Chinese papers.

also, chinese referees (including those in west) would invariably clear papers by other chinese authors, irrespective of the quality. this started after a PRC govt directive that every researcher has to show an impact factor of 4 or more to get a PhD.

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Postby SSridhar » 01 Oct 2016 21:21

Past precedents not binding on India while responding to Pakistani terror, Modi government tells world - Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, Economic Times
Past precedents are not binding on this government while responding to terror attacks from Pakistan. This was a clear-cut message India put across to envoys of 25 countries, including China, within hours of the cross-LoC strike on terrorist launching pads in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir on Thursday. Officials familiar with the details of the briefing told ET that India also conveyed it doesn’t intend to carry out another strike in the immediate future unless Pakistan escalates the situation.

Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar stressed on the point that this was a counter-terror operation and not an act of war. On the issue of past precedents, officials told ET that many countries often pull out details of past LoC incidents to make the point that India’s pattern of response has usually not been escalatory.

It’s in this context, New Delhi made it clear to the envoys that there’s a change of approach in this government and precedents are looked at but are not binding. Indian officials did not reject the diplomatic principle of continuity between governments but underscored the point that there is a definite “change with continuity”.

The MEA also apprised envoys on the nature of the operation, making the point that the target were terrorists who gathered at launching pads along the LoC to infiltrate into Indian territory.

Laying out its case, the Indian side informed envoys that last eight weeks had seen nine major terrorist attacks in Jammu and Kashmir. The envoys were also briefed on the situation in Jammu and Kashmir. They were informed that there had been a state of unrest since July when the Indian security forces killed Hizbul Mujahideen commander Burhan Wani. India also underlined the fact that it had kept institutional channels open with Director General of Military Operations Lt Gen Ranbir Singh keeping his Pakistan counterpart posted on a regular basis. And he did so at the first available opportunity after Thursday’s strikes.

Old ally Russia came out in India's support a day after the strikes. “We stand for a resolute struggle against terrorism in all its manifestations. We expect that the Government of Pakistan to take effective measures to curb the activities of terrorist groups on its territory,” Russian foreign ministry said in a statement issued on Friday. It, however, suggested that the two parties engage in a dialogue to resolve “existing problems”.

Since the fresh crisis in Kashmir, India has stepped up contact and conversation with several countries including key Gulf states, which have close ties with Pakistan.

India's Message—Loud and Clear

1. Past precedents not binding on terror response

2. No intention of a second strike in immediate future

3. 9 attacks in eight weeks, a major provocation

4. India had intelligence of a terrorists build-up

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Postby SSridhar » 01 Oct 2016 21:30

Pakistan assembly passes resolutions against 'Indian aggression'

Why should Pakistan National Assembly pass an unanimous resolution if it was a mere run-of-the-mill border skirmish as these have been a dime-a-dozen since 1947 anyway? Pakistan has not been known to be mindful of two dead soldiers, has it ever? After all, it is the only 'professional army' that has disowned its own dead soldiers repeatedly, allowing their bodies to rot only to be recovered and given a decent burial by the 'enemy' India. A 'professional Army' that has invariably claimed its own soldiers caught by 'enemy' India as merely non-state actors or mujahideen! Where is the pride? So, why this resolution? Is it because the Pakistani National Assembly is bereaved by the deaths of dozens of jihadi Islamist terrorists at the hands of the elite Indian forces? After all, the Pakistani National Assembly and various Provincial Assemblies wanted to offer fateha to Zarqawi & Osama, didn't they?

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Postby anishns » 01 Oct 2016 22:15

"Sher-E-Hind" Tarek Fateh live on Aap ki Adalat with Rajat Sharma 10pm IST
Quiet a funny dude!

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Postby A_Gupta » 01 Oct 2016 22:43

http://www.firstpost.com/world/why-the- ... 29560.html
(four reasons why Pakistan continues to deny anything happened).

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Postby Prem » 01 Oct 2016 23:12

Ganja Sharif most probably wants to get ooot of Pakistan safely . Military will install IK and run the show from behind his Shalwar . With Sindh heating up and Baluchistan boiling, they will need Pathan face to keep KP quiet as situation in FATA is worst than Kashmir as per JUH head Maulana F. Rahman . Pakjabi have inherent fear of standing alone to face Indi becuase of 47 experience. BTW Waziri have the reputation to not let go revenge and PA have killed so many Waziri civilians that many villages are now empty .

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Postby la.khan » 01 Oct 2016 23:36

Chinmayanand wrote:GoI can simply direct the Censor Board to not give certificates to films with porkistani actors/actresses . Problem solved.

I wish it was that easy. The Bhaiwood producer/director will go to SC and ask the CBFC to give certificate so that the film can be released. Based on recent SC judgments, which way do you think the SC will lean?

This needs to be done at multiple levels. Firstly, stop issuing visas to pakis; next, pull aside Bhaiwood film associations and drop hints to not encourage pakis in the film industry; if producers/directors hire pakis and shoot films outside India (Dubai, London, Canada etc), ask IT, customs, DRI etc to go after producers for forex violations*, get the CBFC to hold up certificates; if producer/director go to court, make it a long drawn process; if court orders the censors to issue a certificate, get RW groups on twitter to boycott films with pakis, get some street muscle (SS, MNS, VHP, BD, ABVP ityadi) to disrupt screenings. In short, make life miserable for these pro-paki filmi types.

Any reason the above can't be done? Case in point: IPL :twisted:

* - Long after the film sinks without a trace, cases slapped by IT, customs etc will be going through the famed Indian justice system for years and decades :)

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Postby Primus » 01 Oct 2016 23:54

rsingh wrote:I have noticed a very curious phenomena which is unique to Indians in India. We want to be outstanding,be known and be recognized by our actions (writings,lecture,saying,strange pictures or habits). Main reason is we want to be famous. Some study well and get good job and brag about this left and right. Some of us try to hook with some political party (main reason is to brag about it and get some mullah if we are lucky). Some of us go to Army and civil services and make sure that every body know about our power and never hesitate to demonstrate it (be it on people who are more successful then us or be it servent). First thing any Indian will tell you whom does he/she knows and try to impress you. Then I come to the point. There are some people who could not go to some real jobs and became journalist. Basically you do not need any qualification for that. To make yourself known you start shitting around. These days it is fashionable to question the Hinduism, to insult BJP, our traditions, praise muslims and worship Christians. Very soon chances are there that you would be pickup by some international NGO mybaap and then get paid to shit around. Come to Europe or America and get fevicoled to any gora you see. These people are used as useful ideot. I know a guy who brags that he was involved in developing the shield material for Agni missile and that he got some xyz prize from.........mind you US Govt. His wife is all around the world and is paid tens of thousands of Euros for designing some art brochure (bogus to me). During dinner I just mentioned that if they had idea of the concept of useful idiot.


Ah, yes, the Useful Idiot! So many around that it is hard to find one who is not. Many English speaking 'BA Pass' did not get any jobs. Through family and other connections they would end up in journalism. There are deep layers of planning that have gone into the creation of a brigade of anti-India forces within India, one of which was the free education (indoctrination) of the children of leading socialists in the erstwhile Soviet Union. In my own campus the 'elite' (well to do and good at English) students were picked up by left-leaning seniors and subtly coached into an ideology that seemed harmless at the time but later would emerge as anti-national.

Dismantling of this huge infrastructure will take a long time and we are in it for the long haul.

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Postby anupmisra » 02 Oct 2016 00:01

anishns wrote:"Sher-E-Hind" Tarek Fateh live on Aap ki Adalat with Rajat Sharma 10pm IST
Quiet a funny dude!


TF is a great find, a very valuable acquisition. However, I still have doubts about his true intentions. But, aren't there any native Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims/Christians/Parsis in India who can match TF's knowledge, his profound sense of history and his command over the spoken language?

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Postby Baikul » 02 Oct 2016 00:11

rsingh wrote:I have noticed a very curious phenomena which is unique to Indians in India. We want to be outstanding,be known and be recognized by our actions (writings,lecture,saying,strange pictures or habits). Main reason is we want to be famous. Some study well and get good job and brag about this left and right. Some of us try to hook with some political party (main reason is to brag about it and get some mullah if we are lucky). Some of us go to Army and civil services and make sure that every body know about our power and never hesitate to demonstrate it (be it on people who are more successful then us or be it servent). First thing any Indian will tell you whom does he/she knows and try to impress you. Then I come to the point. There are some people who could not go to some real jobs and became journalist. Basically you do not need any qualification for that. To make yourself known you start shitting around. These days it is fashionable to question the Hinduism, to insult BJP, our traditions, praise muslims and worship Christians. Very soon chances are there that you would be pickup by some international NGO mybaap and then get paid to shit around. Come to Europe or America and get fevicoled to any gora you see. These people are used as useful ideot. I know a guy who brags that he was involved in developing the shield material for Agni missile and that he got some xyz prize from.........mind you US Govt. His wife is all around the world and is paid tens of thousands of Euros for designing some art brochure (bogus to me). During dinner I just mentioned that if they had idea of the concept of useful idiot.


I don't wish to cause an own goal, but the first part of your post (underlined by me) applies to any culture, not just India.

As for the second part of your post, may I request you not to deal in generalities?

Sir, I started my career as a journalist, am proud if it, and I consider myself to be a stone cold liberal, yet I am a jingo. So put that in your illegible and incomprehensible pipe and smoke it.

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Postby Rahul M » 02 Oct 2016 00:13

anupmisra wrote:
anishns wrote:"Sher-E-Hind" Tarek Fateh live on Aap ki Adalat with Rajat Sharma 10pm IST
Quiet a funny dude!


TF is a great find, a very valuable acquisition. However, I still have doubts about his true intentions. But, aren't there any native Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims/Christians/Parsis in India who can match TF's knowledge, his profound sense of history and his command over the spoken language?

there would be many. TF's very USP lies in the fact that he is (was?) one of 'them' i.e RAPE class.

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Postby anishns » 02 Oct 2016 00:51

anupmisra wrote:TF is a great find, a very valuable acquisition. However, I still have doubts about his true intentions. But, aren't there any native Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims/Christians/Parsis in India who can match TF's knowledge, his profound sense of history and his command over the spoken language?


Absolutely correct Misraji/Rahulji...I've similar doubts as well, especially once I found this undated video where he is calling for a break up of India.
Granted this is a much older video and a lot of water has flowed under the proverbial bridge, but as Reagan said "Trust, but verify"

Although his book "Chasing a mirage" is brilliant and he does seem to play well to his new found audience in India and Indophiles abroad.
I have been following his videos and interviews for a while and if I am not wrong, he is among the first voices pleading the Govt. of India to allow Baloch govt. in exile, similar to what we've done for Tibet


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Postby Rahul M » 02 Oct 2016 01:02

I wonder if anyone has recently challenged tarek fatah about this video and what his reaction has been to it.

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Postby Primus » 02 Oct 2016 01:08

The most revealing videos of his are the original ones from Canada where he is interviewed by Tahir Gora and Asif Javaid on Tag TV. Many of these are in Urdu and they are the true gems. I've been a follower of his for a few years now, before he hit the Indian scene big time. His books too are quite interesting.

People do sometimes change with the times and if nothing else, at least he is very entertaining.

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Postby MurthyB » 02 Oct 2016 01:17

Tarek Fatah is an old Communist, and is thus a subscriber to smashing the status quo. However, his big fight is with the Pakistani establishment, with the immediate goal of getting Baloch independence. So he probably thinks getting India on the Baloch side is more important than theoretical Marxist arguments about subnationalities.

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Postby anupmisra » 02 Oct 2016 01:25

Rahul M wrote:there would be many. TF's very USP lies in the fact that he is (was?) one of 'them' i.e RAPE class.


And this is what bothers me. It's just too easy. The other one is that Sami guy. Both ex-TSP and both come across as "more loyal than the king". Remember it was Raja Dahir's own Brahmin minister who in connivance with one protected arab who opened the main gates (called "pol") of Dahir's capital city to bin qasim's army. The rest is, as they say, history. (BTW, that's where the term "pol Kholna" originates).

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Postby kumarn » 02 Oct 2016 01:35

In between he let it slip in that were the khalistanis to ask for lahore as its capital he would support the movement amd be proud to be a khslistani. Go figure!

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Postby Amber G. » 02 Oct 2016 01:45

Meanwhile if you are a UK citizen of resident then please sign this:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/168107
If there are 100,000 signatures, there has to be a debate in UK parliament.

(The US Whitehouse petition now has about half a million signatures.. now we hope to reach one million. The url of that is
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-people-ask-administration-declare-pakistan-state-sponsor-terrorism-hr6069
(Please spread the word)

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Postby Rahul M » 02 Oct 2016 01:50

anupmisra wrote:
Rahul M wrote:there would be many. TF's very USP lies in the fact that he is (was?) one of 'them' i.e RAPE class.


And this is what bothers me. It's just too easy. The other one is that Sami guy. Both ex-TSP and both come across as "more loyal than the king". Remember it was Raja Dahir's own Brahmin minister who in connivance with one protected arab who opened the main gates (called "pol") of Dahir's capital city to bin qasim's army. The rest is, as they say, history. (BTW, that's where the term "pol Kholna" originates).

Ghar ka bhedi Lanka dhahaye!!

that's quite a different scenario though. neither of them are in any position of power to commit the equivalent act of a 'pol kholna'. their only relevance is that they speak against TSP while being TSPian. the day they stop doing that people will drop them like a used hanky.

TF btw does have a really old history of opposing TSP, going back decades.

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Postby GShankar » 02 Oct 2016 04:06

Anybody know who this guys is? He seems to comment on so much indian stuff including indian food, culture and bollywood. He also seems to be a fan of swamy and here he chides Salman Khan for his support of pak artists. Seem like a funny guy.


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Postby Peregrine » 02 Oct 2016 04:46

Islamabad urges UN Big 5 to broker peace

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan urged the five permanent members of the UN Security Council on Saturday to help secure peace even as the Inter-Serivces Public Relations took Pakistani journalists to the LoC to "expose India's claim of surgical strikes" as farce.

"The permanent members of the UNSC need to play their role to ensure peace,"
foreign secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said briefing envoys of China, France, Russia, the UK and the US about the Indian claim. Chaudhry was accompanied by Pakistan's director general of military operations (DGMO), Major Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza, who dismissed India's "claim", sources said.

The DGMO was quoted by Dawn as telling the P-5 envoys: "In reality, on the night of 28-29 September, the Indian occupation forces resorted to unprovoked firing along the LoC at multiple points, which led to the martyrdom of two Pakistani soldiers."

Gen Mirza also challenged India's claim of frequent infiltrations across the LoC by militants saying this was not possible because of the anti-infiltration mechanisms put in place by India.

The briefing was followed by Pakistani Army's claim that it was certain of having caused casualties on the Indian side of the LoC in response to the cross-border firing by India.
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Postby A_Gupta » 02 Oct 2016 06:25

Alyssa Ayres has a flight of imagination:
http://www.newsweek.com/why-are-terrori ... tan-503558
Scenario: A terrorist attack in India bears all the signs of LeT or JeM. Pakistani authorities, weary of the poor reputation their country has acquired around the world, act with dispatch.

“We are alarmed by this attack” said the foreign office spokesperson, “It sets back our already-limited dialogue with India, and makes our country look like a supporter of terrorism.”

Within days, a new counterterrorism task force identifies the planners of the attack, and arrests them based on copious evidence. Trials begin within six months.

Pakistani officials continue to raise their concerns diplomatically about Kashmir, but adopt a zero-tolerance policy for terrorist organizations mobilizing on their soil. Pakistan’s zero-tolerance policy on terrorism allows a breakthrough in talks with India to take place; while neither side reaches agreement in the near-term, at least dialogue has reopened.

Similarly, Pakistan’s ties with Afghanistan improve, as does the Afghan security situation, with Pakistan’s increased attention to counterterror efforts against all groups.

I realize this scenario might appear far-fetched, but it is not completely impossible—and it indicates what a more credible response to the ongoing terrorism problem might resemble. The pattern of denial while designated terrorists openly exhort followers to jihad is simply not credible.

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Postby partha » 02 Oct 2016 06:39

Peregrine wrote:Islamabad urges UN Big 5 to broker peace
Gen Mirza also challenged India's claim of frequent infiltrations across the LoC by militants saying this was not possible because of the anti-infiltration mechanisms put in place by India.


Self goal. :rotfl:

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Postby SSridhar » 02 Oct 2016 07:18

A_Gupta wrote:Alyssa Ayres has a flight of imagination:
http://www.newsweek.com/why-are-terrori ... tan-503558

She is right up to the point the 'flight of imagination' takes over. That's where most analysts (including many Indian) falter. Western analysts fail to recognize the fact that Pakistan's enduring hostility with India is deeper than Kashmir which is just a facade. Indian analysts who also comment similarly are aware of the civilizational issues et al but are so troubled by the fact that they are unwilling to take the bull by its horns and therefore gloss over the issues. They pick up easy targets instead.

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Postby shiv » 02 Oct 2016 07:28

As we do from time to time it is worth relooking at what is happening inside Pakistan to see if all our assumptions conclusions and predictions are going exactly as expected or need a course correction.

I say this in the light of Khaled Ahmed's new ebook "Sleepwalking to Surrender" which I have started reading but it is a bombshell from page 1.

Khaled Ahmed is familiar to us on BRF. His articles in the Friday Times were regularly posted on here. Some were sensible. others more Packee in character. A few years ago he announced that he would go off writing for a while and after that his regular columns stopped. He has resurfaced with a book which throws light on some discussions we have had in the past.

One of the eternal questions about Pakistan was whether the army had control over jihadis or not. The general consensus was that the Paki army had full control over jihad and terrorists and evidence of this came from the Pakistanis themselves in 1999 - where someone from the Pakarmy claimed that the jihad tap could be turned on and off at will. That aside we always suspected that the US was paying Pakistan with full faith that the Paki army they bought off would keep the Taliban/Al Qaeda off their backs.

Gradually over the years we have ourselves seen that elements of the Taliban have turned anti-army leaving just a few groups like the LeT and JeM as groups loyal to the army. We have also, from time to time, read of desertions from LeT to join ISIS because the LeT was not doing enough against India.

But Khaled Ahmed throws in a new point, which is not obvious to outsiders. I am not yet in a position to share quotes from my ebook but let me quote from an online article that says the same thing
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... surrender/
The Pakistani state is in trouble as more and more researchers and analysts point to assassinations found to have been “devolved” to the Taliban-al-Qaeda combine. If the dictators thought they could use the jihadis and their priestly leaders without getting flecked with their blood-thirsty creed, they were seriously in error. Now, “normal” officers promoted to top ranks in the army have to accept the status quo in which an “inspired” rank-and-file can kill them in the name of Allah.


Note the underlined part. Islamization of Pakistan is proceeding apace - with the officers now scared to oppose the dictates of the mullahs who control the lower ranks.

Perhaps knowledge of this has led to some rethinking in Amreeka including Hillary Clinton's statement that there could be a jihad coup. Nore likely than a coup - there will be a gradual takeover of Pakistan by the Taliban. A wish that I am others had expressed on BRF earlier is coming true - that is Pakistan is getting the "more Islam" that it needs. Sunni Islam that is - busy wiping everyone else out

But the story cannot end here. Obviously Pakistan getting more Islam cannot be an end in itself. That must spread to Europe and the US and let those parts of the world have the pleasure of Allah's attention. Thankfully that is happening - but not enough. Aid would come to a grinding halt.

Finally I think China simply does not have enough Pakistani influence. Islam needs to enter China properly. How do we ensure that this happens?

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Postby Y. Kanan » 02 Oct 2016 07:39

Peregrine wrote:ISLAMABAD: Pakistan urged the five permanent members of the UN Security Council on Saturday to help secure peace even as the Inter-Serivces Public Relations took Pakistani journalists to the LoC to "expose India's claim of surgical strikes" as farce


Why hasn't GOI released any proof yet?

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Postby shiv » 02 Oct 2016 07:40

A_Gupta wrote:Alyssa Ayres has a flight of imagination:
http://www.newsweek.com/why-are-terrori ... tan-503558


The lady says
One can only conclude that Pakistani authorities do not seem to mind a major terrorist organization holding rallies to urge jihad in Kashmir. It certainly does not portray the country as one interested in preventing terrorism.


To me it is looking more like this: The Pakistani "authorities" are no longer in control. They may or may not mind all this but they certainly cannot stop it because the "masses" so to speak are now behind jihad. The masses basically do not have the development, money and perks that the "authorities" have enjoyed and have no problem with sharia, Pakistan has had a dual justice system where the "state" and constitution were imposed as and when necessary while tribal law/sharia was applied otherwise. Now the "state" is being pushed out.

If the army and government have a difference of opinion with the mullahs they cannot say it out loud or oppose it for fear of being killed because Pakistan has made the twin errors of encouraging a parallel justice system (sharia) and has also supplied those who were empowered by sharia with deadly weapons. Pakistan is awash with militant and terrorist groups whose activities range from kidnapping for ransom, to sectarian killing to attacks on other countries.

Many years ago Stephen Cohen had predicted that one sure sign of state failure in Pakistan would be when the elite start leaving the country in large numbers. I suspect that is now happening.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 02 Oct 2016 07:44

Y. Kanan wrote:
Peregrine wrote:ISLAMABAD: Pakistan urged the five permanent members of the UN Security Council on Saturday to help secure peace even as the Inter-Serivces Public Relations took Pakistani journalists to the LoC to "expose India's claim of surgical strikes" as farce


Why hasn't GOI released any proof yet?

In my opinion there is absolutely no point in releasing proof if that proof is simply going to be dismissed by Pakistan as fake. Releasing proof because Pakis and libtards and commies ask is like going on the defensive and thinking that the army and GoI need to prove something to the world.

I believe that the proof lies in coffins in Pakistan and the paki army and jihadis who need to have the proof - are up to their necks in proof. I (or Ajai Shuklas) can say that we are not convinced. But that does not matter one bit

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Philip » 02 Oct 2016 08:28

Why show our SP Forces tactics to the Pakis?
They must be trying to figure out what happened.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby RCase » 02 Oct 2016 08:50

Why show them videos and proof. They have already determined that there was no 'surgical operation'. Let them be happy, while we watch the immense khujli. This gives our army the chance to do a more daring jhapad to TSP and say we took revenge for the Uri attacks.

Let us just wait for a few years and we will see regiments displaying their shaheeds and their medals in ISPR inspired videos. But wait a sec.... there may not be a Bakistan in a few years!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby rajpa » 02 Oct 2016 09:05

When RAWHeel publishes a book a la Mushy he will admit that the surgical strikes indeed happened and were a slap on his face. That's the Pakistani way. Just you wait!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby RCase » 02 Oct 2016 09:47

http://www.newindianexpress.com/world/Pakistan-should-%E2%80%98counter-threat-India-says-Musharraf/2016/10/01/article3634298.ece

How come Mushy is in US? I thought the US had earlier denied him a visa to visit the US.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby arun » 02 Oct 2016 10:31

In its continuing bid to demonstrate that India did not launch a boots on the ground cross LoC raid to exterminate Mohammadden Terrorists but instead carried out cross LoC firing, the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan take journalists from CNN, BBC, VOA, Reuters, AP, AFP, News Week and BBC Urdu Service.to areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir allegedly targeted by India. I use the term “allegedly targeted” deliberately as there has been no “Official” statement from India identifying precise location of the terrorist launch pads attacked by India. The DGMO briefing did not contain this information. This talk of Boxor Formation and Hotspring Formation as the location of the Indian strike could be a Pakistani fabrication, Further even if later confirmed by India as the site of the interdicted terrorist launch pads, the Uniformed Jihadi’s have had ample time to have sanitized the area to show no evidence of an interdicted terrorist launch pad.

Going by this and the plethora of articles appearing in the Pakistani media, the Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan is pulling out all stops to portray India’s boots on the ground cross LoC raid to exterminate Mohammadden Terrorists as a case of cross LoC firing. The decibel level of this campaign goes well beyond Arnab’s hysterics.

India must now release information, preferable in the form of video, on the cross LoC boots on the ground raid to exterminate Mohammadden Terrorists to ensure that the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic wins a propaganda battle by default. The people of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan need to know that their strategy of waging Jihad under a Nuclear Umbrella is not going to deter us from having our troops cross over and neutralize Mohammadden Terrorists poised to strike India. ........... then off course there is the matter of my personal enjoyment in seeing the Honour and Dignity aka H&D take a beating 8) :

‘Surgical strikes’: Journalists flown to LoC to debunk Indian myth
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby A_Gupta » 02 Oct 2016 10:33

If India did not conduct a surgical strike, surely there can be no objection to India doing it again?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby kish » 02 Oct 2016 10:43

Great cummando Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf had to run for his life in 1971 war. :rotfl:

To top it off, cummando musharraf built a field hospital in what was then pakisatan. But, evil yindoo captured that hospital for their use... :lol:


There are other things to catch the eye here. Just on the edges of the LoC fence is an underground fully furnished Army hospital, displaying a plaque "inaugurated by Capt Pervaiz Musharraf." The area, known as Tootmar Gali or TMG was captured by Indian Army in 1971, and Musharraf - who was then a captain - was injured here.

But before retreating, he had built this fully furnished hospital. This architectural feat, involving chiselling mountains from inside, is now attending to the injured and ailing Indian soldiers in this remote sector of Jammu and Kashmir.


Tales of an Indian soldier's life along the Line of Control

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 02 Oct 2016 10:52

^^By Ifthikar Gilani

Tells more of Paki exploits than Indian ones

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby g.sarkar » 02 Oct 2016 11:29

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia ... srcref=rss
Pak tells India it is not aware of whereabouts of soldier who strayed across LoC
The Pakistan Army has informed its Indian counterpart that it is not aware of the whereabouts of Chandu Chavan, the soldier who inadvertently strayed across the Line of Control, according to a media report.
Chavan, a 22-year-old soldier from 37 Rashtriya Rifles, had mistakenly crossed the de-factor border in Kashmir hours after India’s surgical strikes on terrorist bases across the LoC on Thursday.
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Soon after the Indian side said that Chavan had mistakenly crossed the LoC, Reuters had quoted two unnamed Pakistani officials in Chhamb sector as saying that the soldier was captured with weapons at 1.30pm local time on Thursday.
Under a bilateral arrangement, soldiers who inadvertently cross the LoC are handed over to their side. “However, the level of tensions between the two countries, particularly after the Indian claims about ‘surgical strikes’, precludes any possibility of cooperation,” the Dawn reported.

This does not look good at all. These Arschloecher are prone to torture captured Indians to vent their anger.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby kish » 02 Oct 2016 11:40

shiv wrote:^^By Ifthikar Gilani

Tells more of Paki exploits than Indian ones


Shiv ji,

That bit about Musharaf has tremendous propaganda value, Paid Media love to quote musharaf. Aam admis of India does not know paki ssg cummandos are scared of confronting Indian army directly.

So, thought BRF twitter army might use it whenever Mushy opens his hole mouth regarding Ind-paki conflict

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 02 Oct 2016 11:47

kish wrote:
shiv wrote:^^By Ifthikar Gilani

Tells more of Paki exploits than Indian ones


Shiv ji,

That bit about Musharaf has tremendous propaganda value, Paid Media love to quote musharaf. Aam admis of India does not know paki ssg cummandos are scared of confronting Indian army directly.

So, thought BRF twitter army might use it whenever Mushy opens his hole mouth regarding Ind-paki conflict

Even the refs to Musharraf are words of admiration and praise
The area, known as Tootmar Gali or TMG was captured by Indian Army in 1971, and Musharraf - who was then a captain - was injured here.

But before retreating, he had built this fully furnished hospital. This architectural feat, involving chiselling mountains from inside, is now attending to the injured and ailing Indian soldiers in this remote sector of Jammu and Kashmir.


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