Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby g.sarkar » 05 Oct 2016 09:27

g.sarkar wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... t-3065975/
Surgical strikes: Bodies taken away on trucks, loud explosions, eyewitnesses give graphic details
From classified intelligence documents accessed by The Indian Express, it appears the assault caught the Lashkar and other jihadist groups by surprise.
Eyewitnesses living across the Line of Control (LoC) have provided The Indian Express with graphic accounts of last week’s Indian Army special forces strikes on jihadists’ staging posts, describing how bodies of those killed in clashes before dawn on September 29 were loaded onto trucks for secret burials. The eyewitnesses also described brief but intense fire engagements that destroyed makeshift buildings that housed jihadists before they left for the last stage of their journeys across the LoC.
Their accounts corroborate India’s claims that it carried out strikes against terror launch pads — a claim Pakistan has denied, saying, instead, that its military’s forward positions were targeted with small-arms and mortar fire.
They also provide, for the first time, details on some of the locations targeted in the operation, information which the governments of India and Pakistan have not made public.
However, eyewitness accounts, as well as intelligence records obtained by The Indian Express, suggest that fatalities in the raids may have been lower than the 38-50 killed attributed to Indian officials in reports, including in this newspaper, and have caused little damage to jihadist logistics and infrastructure.
Five eyewitnesses were contacted by The Indian Express through their kin living on the Indian side of the LoC and questions were sent to them using a commercially available encrypted chat system. The eyewitnesses’ identities are being withheld for their safety at the request of their families.
Indian journalists have no access to the Pakistani side of the LoC and the only Pakistan media reporting from these regions has been after a team of journalists were taken to some areas by the military there.
The most detailed account of the fighting came from two eyewitnesses who visited Dudhnial, a small hamlet some 4 km across the LoC from India’s nearest forward post, Gulab, ahead of the town of Kupwara. The eyewitness reported seeing a gutted building across the Al-Haawi bridge from the hamlet’s main bazaar, where a military outpost and a compound used by the Lashkar are both sited.
Al-Haawi bridge is the last point where infiltrating groups are loaded with supplies before beginning their climb up to the LoC towards Kupwara, both eyewitnesses said.
Local residents told one of the eyewitnesses that loud explosions — possibly rounds fired from 84-mm Carl Gustav rifles — were heard from across the Al-Haawi bridge late in the night, along with intense small-arms fire. “People did not come out to see what was going on,” the eyewitness reported, “so did not see Indian soldiers but they gathered from the Lashkar people the next day that they had been attacked.”
Five, perhaps six, bodies were loaded on to a truck early next morning, and possibly transported to the nearest major Lashkar camp at Chalhana, across the Neelum river from Teetwal, on the Indian side of the LoC, the eyewitness said he was told by local residents.
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Postby sudarshan » 05 Oct 2016 09:27

Hari Seldon wrote:In 2022, we surpass PRC as the world's most populous country. We're already in the top 10 economies by USD and in the top 5 by PPP.


No understatements please, nothing personal, just pointing out that by USD India is in top 7, soon to be top 5, and by PPP, India is #3, after China/USA (in whatever order you wish to put them).

I see news stories all the time saying "India is Asia's third largest economy." Nope, India is the *WORLD'S* third largest economy (by PPP, which is the measure used for China all the time, whereas India gets measured by absolute GDP - go figure - I suspect it's because the UK wants to postpone official underdog status WRT its former colony for as long as it can).

Any other country in India's position would have started flexing muscles and crushing bones (opponents' bones, I mean) five to ten years ago. India has hopefully started doing just that. Problems with Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh will be amicably :) resolved in five years' time. Pakistan will also be resolved in that time frame, just not so amicably. IOW, the difficult can be achieved right away, the impossible will take slightly longer.

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Postby SwamyG » 05 Oct 2016 09:36

ramana wrote:
panduranghari wrote:It's KLPD for Bakis. And it must hurt.



looks like same for Congress also,

They now want to claim same success.
This has now become a farce like they claimed success after POK II tests.

G.Parthasarthy clearly said that during Congress times there were attacks. However these were done as 'badla' and at patrol levels. GP added what happened now is very different. He knows what happened and at what level, he will tell only what is necessary for public consumption. He was in the army and was a diplomat, and he measures his words.

Experts, former diplomats and military personnel are telling us that this is essentially unprecedented and highly thought out action. Not in those exact words.

GP is expecting things to happen before Shareef retiring. One hope India suffers less when that happens.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby SSridhar » 05 Oct 2016 09:57

Indo-Pak tension may get Gen. Sharif an extension - Omer Farooq Khan, ToI

Here is a conspiracy theory.

China has been demanding that the implementation of the CPEC be handed-over to the Pakistani military. Gen. Raheel Sharif has also been demanding the same thing. The political class has been resisiting this stubbornly. This is the most major friction point between the Army and Nawaz Sharif at this point of time. Gen. Sharif is about to retire in a few weeks' time. The Army and its stooges like Imran Khan and that cleric from Canada have been assiduously building up the image of Gen. Sharif as a no-nonsense & tough General (All PA COASs are similarly painted in Pakistan and abuses start much later for all of them (Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia-ul-Haq, Aslam Beg, Musharraf, Kiyani, for example). At this point Gen. Sharif is flying high and China is very jittery about the successful implementation of the CPEC and the grab of Gwadar port. The fears have been accentuated by the robust policy decisions of GoI, increasing convergence between the GoI and the US, evolving Indian policy towards Balochistan that may derail many aspects of CPEC, possible internal subversion in Pakistan etc. The success of CPEC is absolutely essential for China. The staunch opposition by China to India joining NSG and India's request to tag Masood Azhar undwer UNSC 1267 show, IMHO, the Chinese nervousness and its determination to keep India out at any cost. JeM must be indebted to China for the extraordinary support it has provided at the UNSC. China has blocked placing Masood Azhar on the 1267 list since 2009! Let's not forget that.

The question therefore in my mind at least is why therefore could Uri attack not have been a joint operation by the PA & JeM at the instigation of China knowing fully well that India would retaliate and a ruse could therefore be used to allow the Army gain favourable decisions as far as CPEC is concerned? We have to now look for signals from the Pakistani Army linking Indian provocations (they cannot admit of the surgical strike openly but China would know that it took place) with the CPEC to strengthen its case.

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Postby zoverian » 05 Oct 2016 10:16

SSridhar wrote:Indo-Pak tension may get Gen. Sharif an extension - Omer Farooq Khan, ToI

Here is a conspiracy theory.

China has been demanding that the implementation of the CPEC be handed-over to the Pakistani military. Gen. Raheel Sharif has also been demanding the same thing. The political class has been resisiting this stubbornly. This is the most major friction point between the Army and Nawaz Sharif at this point of time. Gen. Sharif is about to retire in a few weeks' time. The Army and its stooges like Imran Khan and that cleric from Canada have been assiduously building up the image of Gen. Sharif as a no-nonsense & tough General (All PA COASs are similarly painted in Pakistan and abuses start much later for all of them (Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia-ul-Haq, Aslam Beg, Musharraf, Kiyani, for example). At this point Gen. Sharif is flying high and China is very jittery about the successful implementation of the CPEC and the grab of Gwadar port. The fears have been accentuated by the robust policy decisions of GoI, increasing convergence between the GoI and the US, evolving Indian policy towards Balochistan that may derail many aspects of CPEC, possible internal subversion in Pakistan etc. The success of CPEC is absolutely essential for China. The staunch opposition by China to India joining NSG and India's request to tag Masood Azhar undwer UNSC 1267 show, IMHO, the Chinese nervousness and its determination to keep India out at any cost. JeM must be indebted to China for the extraordinary support it has provided at the UNSC. China has blocked placing Masood Azhar on the 1267 list since 2009! Let's not forget that.

The question therefore in my mind at least is why therefore could Uri attack not have been a joint operation by the PA & JeM at the instigation of China knowing fully well that India would retaliate and a ruse could therefore be used to allow the Army gain favourable decisions as far as CPEC is concerned? We have to now look for signals from the Pakistani Army linking Indian provocations (they cannot admit of the surgical strike openly but China would know that it took place) with the CPEC to strengthen its case.



Very Interesting observation.....

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Postby jamwal » 05 Oct 2016 10:16

Kindly stop throwing these ppp, gdp numbers around when half of the population struggles to feed itself properly. Having more than 600 million people who are frankly just making India an overpopulated, polluted 3rd world nation is nothing to be proud of.

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Postby Shaktimaan » 05 Oct 2016 10:24

jamwal wrote:Kindly stop throwing these ppp, gdp numbers around when half of the population struggles to feed itself properly. Having more than 600 million people who are frankly just making India an overpopulated, polluted 3rd world nation is nothing to be proud of.


Bhai there is no need for self goals here.

What the other poster was saying about the size of the economy was correct, when you consider the tax collections and budgetary implications of having a large economy.

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Postby jamwal » 05 Oct 2016 10:31

1000 rupees in pockets of 5 people means something. 2000 with 40 people means nothing substantial.


If the people in question were skilled workers, educated or atleast not selfish ******** who will keep on voting for ***** like Kejri, Mamta, laaloo, then yes, such population is an asset. Otherwise we just have duniyaa ke bhojj.

Anyhow, last comment on this topic here.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby LokeshC » 05 Oct 2016 10:32

jamwal wrote:Kindly stop throwing these ppp, gdp numbers around when half of the population struggles to feed itself properly. Having more than 600 million people who are frankly just making India an overpopulated, polluted 3rd world nation is nothing to be proud of.


600 million people, overpopulated, population, shame, pride and blah blah blah does not matter when you look at percentage of GDP that would be invested in defense. Money matters. Market matters. That is the only thing relevant and is going to be even more so.

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Postby GShankar » 05 Oct 2016 11:00

SSridhar wrote:Indo-Pak tension may get Gen. Sharif an extension - Omer Farooq Khan, ToI

Here is a conspiracy theory.

China has been demanding that the implementation of the CPEC be handed-over to the Pakistani military. Gen. Raheel Sharif has also been demanding the same thing. The political class has been resisiting this stubbornly. This is the most major friction point between the Army and Nawaz Sharif at this point of time. Gen. Sharif is about to retire in a few weeks' time. The Army and its stooges like Imran Khan and that cleric from Canada have been assiduously building up the image of Gen. Sharif as a no-nonsense & tough General (All PA COASs are similarly painted in Pakistan and abuses start much later for all of them (Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia-ul-Haq, Aslam Beg, Musharraf, Kiyani, for example). At this point Gen. Sharif is flying high and China is very jittery about the successful implementation of the CPEC and the grab of Gwadar port. The fears have been accentuated by the robust policy decisions of GoI, increasing convergence between the GoI and the US, evolving Indian policy towards Balochistan that may derail many aspects of CPEC, possible internal subversion in Pakistan etc. The success of CPEC is absolutely essential for China. The staunch opposition by China to India joining NSG and India's request to tag Masood Azhar undwer UNSC 1267 show, IMHO, the Chinese nervousness and its determination to keep India out at any cost. JeM must be indebted to China for the extraordinary support it has provided at the UNSC. China has blocked placing Masood Azhar on the 1267 list since 2009! Let's not forget that.

The question therefore in my mind at least is why therefore could Uri attack not have been a joint operation by the PA & JeM at the instigation of China knowing fully well that India would retaliate and a ruse could therefore be used to allow the Army gain favourable decisions as far as CPEC is concerned? We have to now look for signals from the Pakistani Army linking Indian provocations (they cannot admit of the surgical strike openly but China would know that it took place) with the CPEC to strengthen its case.


Totally possible. But there is also this..

I am happy Govt has decided to talk to China on the sidelines of the Goa Brics Conference about Azhar. This is the way to go

source - https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/782847901135278081

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Postby Paul » 05 Oct 2016 11:02

Both can go on in parallel from China's POV. Chou En Lai visited India multiple times in the run up to 1962 to lower India's guard.

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Postby GShankar » 05 Oct 2016 11:10

But it does appear that China is seeking something from Modi right from 11's visit. Modi probably denied or postponed something and we saw that episode of chinese border patrol encroachment continuing 'prick'ing from china till now. We may have to do more of our own 'prick'ing.

May be they want us to kick out all the Tibetans. But modi would have said they are "Norther Indians" from Kailash. This is OT here and for another thread.

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Postby SSridhar » 05 Oct 2016 11:45

GShankar wrote:But it does appear that China is seeking something from Modi right from 11's visit. Modi probably denied or postponed something and we saw that episode of chinese border patrol encroachment continuing 'prick'ing from china till now. We may have to do more of our own 'prick'ing.

May be they want us to kick out all the Tibetans. But modi would have said they are "Norther Indians" from Kailash. This is OT here and for another thread.

Gshankar, I would doubt if China would stake so much for the Tibetans at this stage. May be a decade or so back. But now, the major threat looming ahead of PRC is the unholy alliance developing among the US, India, Japan, Vietnam et al. The only cards that it has against the powerful group are a dysfunctional and failed Pakistan, an impoverished and autocratic DPRK, insignificant Laos & Cambodia and a Russia who is only tactically on its side (but which is not averse to supplying deadly arms & ammunition to China's eminent rival India and also Vietnam. Besides, the Chinese believe that the largest land-grab of the Chinese territory is by the Russians!).

There is every reason to believe that China tried to dissuade India from an emerging relationship with the US.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby chetak » 05 Oct 2016 11:59

SSridhar wrote:
GShankar wrote:But it does appear that China is seeking something from Modi right from 11's visit. Modi probably denied or postponed something and we saw that episode of chinese border patrol encroachment continuing 'prick'ing from china till now. We may have to do more of our own 'prick'ing.

May be they want us to kick out all the Tibetans. But modi would have said they are "Norther Indians" from Kailash. This is OT here and for another thread.

Gshankar, I would doubt if China would stake so much for the Tibetans at this stage. May be a decade or so back. But now, the major threat looming ahead of PRC is the unholy alliance developing among the US, India, Japan, Vietnam et al. The only cards that it has against the powerful group are a dysfunctional and failed Pakistan, an impoverished and autocratic DPRK, insignificant Laos & Cambodia and a Russia who is only tactically on its side (but which is not averse to supplying deadly arms & ammunition to China's eminent rival India and also Vietnam. Besides, the Chinese believe that the largest land-grab of the Chinese territory is by the Russians!).

There is every reason to believe that China tried to dissuade India from an emerging relationship with the US.


They have indeed been dissuading India from teaming up with the US. But apart from some vegetarian dumplings, they seem to have nothing more concrete to offer.

Even the han know that there is no free lunch.

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Postby GShankar » 05 Oct 2016 12:14

chetak wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Gshankar, I would doubt if China would stake so much for the Tibetans at this stage. May be a decade or so back. But now, the major threat looming ahead of PRC is the unholy alliance developing among the US, India, Japan, Vietnam et al. The only cards that it has against the powerful group are a dysfunctional and failed Pakistan, an impoverished and autocratic DPRK, insignificant Laos & Cambodia and a Russia who is only tactically on its side (but which is not averse to supplying deadly arms & ammunition to China's eminent rival India and also Vietnam. Besides, the Chinese believe that the largest land-grab of the Chinese territory is by the Russians!).

There is every reason to believe that China tried to dissuade India from an emerging relationship with the US.


They have indeed been dissuading India from teaming up with the US. But apart from some vegetarian dumplings, they seem to have nothing more concrete to offer.

Even the han know that there is no free lunch.


The smart pm definitely needs more than dumplings and a couple of Pandas for Delhi or Ahmedabad zoo. May be Arunachal, Aksai chin and a no-paki policy could have done it. Russell Peters video on how Indians and Chinese cannot negotiate a deal come to mind


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Postby Rudhraksha » 05 Oct 2016 12:45

KJo wrote:Kejriwal is such an idiot, he makes IITians look really bad. He was elected to be CM of Delhi. Not a political commentator who comments about everything Modi does. He is constantly complaining about everything everyday. How does he get any of his real work done?


What do you expect from this #itemgirl of Indian politics ?

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Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Oct 2016 13:07

jamwal wrote:Anyhow, last comment on this topic here.


Good. You misread both content and context of my original post. Clearly, something's troubling you. Sorting it out first before posting here is likely to help. Have a nice day.

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Postby rajpa » 05 Oct 2016 13:30

snahata wrote:
disha wrote:
It does not matter., he is from IIT and that is it. If IITians are worried about "brand dilution"., so be it - we need to grow up and accept the fact that just because one can get high scores on a quantitative memory test on a particular day., one does not become an intellectual master over everybody later in life - IITians need to climb down the ladder to reality in this case. Manohar parrikar is also from IIT and he is a fine gentleman and a great defense minister in recent years. And Modi is a chaiwallah and NOT from IIT and he is a PM.

This should also be a lesson that "joh life main gaandu., woh college main or college ke baad bhi gaandu".

Kejru is gaandu in life and for life. It is our bad karma that we have to live with him. And it is also our bad karma, that people attributed super-power intelligence and awesome honesty just because kejru was from IIT. Several of my smart IIT friends included.



+1


Kejriwal is an idiot even compared to other politicians. This is a blot on the IITian name that will be impossible to wipe out. :twisted:

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Postby jamwal » 05 Oct 2016 13:41

Hari Seldon wrote:
jamwal wrote:Anyhow, last comment on this topic here.


Good. You misread both content and context of my original post. Clearly, something's troubling you. Sorting it out first before posting here is likely to help. Have a nice day.

LOl wut ? Did you just post this after calculating some psychohistory equation ?

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Postby Aditya_V » 05 Oct 2016 13:44

That too a guy who got in through a special Quota. An Elder Kaniya Kumar thats all.

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Postby Rishi » 05 Oct 2016 14:36

Aditya_V wrote:That too a guy who got in through a special Quota. An Elder Kaniya Kumar thats all.


Bullshit

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Postby Rishi » 05 Oct 2016 14:45

Really unfortunate to see fellow BRFites pedaling debunked conspiracies. Please keep to topic.

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Postby Peregrine » 05 Oct 2016 15:08

Lo kur lo baat - It is finally happening subject to Prime Minister Modi's approval.

Surgical strikes: Army okay with release of video footage

NEW DELHI: Top Army officials have okayed and are in fact keen that the government uses video footage of last week's surgical strikes on Pakistan any way it wants, so that any doubts and talk about 'proof' are laid to rest once and for all, sources said.

Now, the decision rests with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Pakistan has continued to say that no surgical strikes were conducted by India on September 29. Islamabad said the events of September 29 were just routine episodes of cross-border fire.

At home, too, a major political row broke out yesterday with the BJP accusing AAP leader Arvind Kejriwal+ and the Congress of backing Pakistan's propaganda by demanding proof of the attacks. That's a position that casts aspersions on the Indian army, the BJP said.

The BJP lashed out in patriotic anger with law minister Ravi Shankar Prasad accusing Kejriwal of delivering a publicity coup to Pakistan after the Delhi chief minister seemed to have stepped into the minefield with a statement whose congratulatory veneer need only be scratched to understand what he really seeks is proof that the commando action took place.

However, both the Congress and AAP said that while they were not questioning the strikes, they are asking for proof only so the world knows Pakistan is lying.

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Postby hnair » 05 Oct 2016 15:51

Y. Kanan wrote:Kashi, shiv, partha, hnair, pankajs, et al - bash me all you want; I like to state ythings as they are, not as I wish them to be.


No, you are not stating things as they are. Actually, you are not even stating things selectively. You are joining those standing by the paki line and asking India to comply. This was the same situation during the Pokharan II, when everyone wanted India to publish data.

Your wish et al are irrelevant

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Postby Gagan » 05 Oct 2016 16:31

In the multimedia thread, I have located the EXACT placemarks where the fraud media briefing by Pindi Bob was done for the group of journalists in POK.
He took them to just two places near Bhimber and Tata Pani.
Whenever google updates its images, and they will, I will post the locations of where the attacks were carried out.
We can then compare the Bokwaas that Pindi Bob did & where he took the media to in a wild goose chase, and the exact strike locations.

:lol:

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Postby arun » 05 Oct 2016 16:40

Peregrine wrote:Lo kur lo baat - It is finally happening subject to Prime Minister Modi's approval.

Surgical strikes: Army okay with release of video footage


Matters move forward, albeit slowly.

Union Minister of State for Home Hansraj Ahir:

“Yes, the videos have been submitted. There is a process, earlier documents were given. Now there are clips. So those have been handed over (by the army),”


From here:

Video evidence of surgical strikes given to government, says Hansraj Ahir

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Postby Varuna » 05 Oct 2016 17:22

I think GOI should not release the evidence in public domain, but show it to Kejriwal and gang, and get him to release another video stating that he is convinced yada yada

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Postby Rudhraksha » 05 Oct 2016 17:28

arun wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Lo kur lo baat - It is finally happening subject to Prime Minister Modi's approval.

Surgical strikes: Army okay with release of video footage


Matters move forward, albeit slowly.

Union Minister of State for Home Hansraj Ahir:

“Yes, the videos have been submitted. There is a process, earlier documents were given. Now there are clips. So those have been handed over (by the army),”


From here:

Video evidence of surgical strikes given to government, says Hansraj Ahir


It does not matter what the general public/hyper politicians think about 'details'. The perception and fact that armed forces are protecting the country with courage and valor is critical, and it is re-instated. Security, and secrecy are inseparable. Public should mature, and should be denied details saying it will compromise our further efforts of arriving at a longer term solution. Armed forces should not be under this pressure to prove. De-link .

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Postby SSridhar » 05 Oct 2016 17:37

Civil-military huddle resolves to pay back India in the same coin - DT
The National Security Committee on Tuesday supported the military leadership’s tit for tat policy for India {Does it mean that TSP accepts there was a surgical strike by India? Such a meeting would not have taken place for the mere death of two Pakistani soldiers as after all, Pakistan has often failed to claim bodies of their dead soldiers on so many occasions earlier, hasn't it? So, something serious happened on the intervening night of 28th-29th September.} , Daily Times learnt.

The meeting was chaired by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

According to sources, after a detailed briefing by officials, it has been decided categorically that no apologetic policy would be adopted at any level for India. Pakistan would raise Indian brutalities in Indian-held Kashmir on all international forums, sources added.

Military leadership’s point of view on the current regional situation and relations with India was supported by other participants as well.

“We took every step for peace and resumption of dialogue with India in a serious way but India always linked talks with terrorism and presented other conditions as well. Now it is unacceptable for Pakistan. India would get a strong response from Pakistan on every front, either it is political, military or diplomatic,” sources quoted the participants as saying.

The meeting also hailed the military leadership for taking the domestic and international media to the Line of Control to show the real face of India on alleged surgical strikes. They said that steps must be taken by political leadership and Foreign Office as well to expose India on international front, sources added.

Sources revealed that the Foreign Office came under fire for not mentioning the arrested Indian spy Kulbhushan Yadev in Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s speech at the United Nation General Assembly. Nawaz said people of Indian-held Kashmir were struggling for their inalienable right to self determination guaranteed by the UNSC resolutions, which could not be suppressed through brutal oppression by Indian security forces.

“Pakistan and Kashmir are inseparable; we will continue to extend our moral, political and diplomatic support to Kashmiri people at every forum,” he reiterated.

“Pakistan does not cherish aggressive designs against any country or nation; we believe in peace and collective betterment,” Nawaz said. “However, our quest for peace must not be mistaken as a sign of weakness; our armed forces are fully capable of thwarting any kind of threat to our sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

The participants of the meeting noted that Pakistan is effectively fighting terrorism and has made phenomenal progresses in war on terror.

Escalation on LoC and eastern borders will shift Pakistan’s focus away from its efforts to eliminate terrorism from its soil at a critical stage, and is detrimental to the successes made by Pakistan in war on terror.

Referring to recent propaganda and false claims of surgical strikes made by India, the forum concluded that India should resolve the longstanding issue of Kashmir for enduring peace in the region, instead of such futile efforts of diverting attention of the world.

India must stop atrocities in Kashmir and recognise the just and legitimate struggle of Kashmiris for their right to self determination.

National Security Adviser Nasser Janjua, who is also convener of the Implementation Committee of NAP, briefed the meeting on the implementation status of NAP and the challenges faced at this stage of implementation.

The participants lauded the work of federal and provincial intelligence agencies which have enabled the security forces and the law enforcement agencies to foil many attempts of terrorists and vowed to provide them an enabling atmosphere to work within the ambit of law.

Secretary to the prime minister also gave a presentation on some aspects of reforms in criminal justice system.

The meeting agreed on the need of seamless coordination between federal and provincial governments as well as all law enforcers for achieving desired results.

The meeting was attended by Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Governor Iqbal Zafar Jhagra, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif, Sindh CM Murad Ali Shah, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa CM Pervez Khattak, Balochistan CM Sanaullah Zehri and Gilgit-Baltistan CM Hafiz Hafeezur Rehman.

It was also attended by Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar, Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid, Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif, Special Assistant Tariq Fatemi, NSA Nasser Janjua, ISI Director General Rizwan Akhtar, Foreign Affairs Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, IB Director General Aftab Sultan, MO Director General Maj Gen Sahir Shamshad Mirza and MI Director General Maj Gen Nadeem Zaki Manj.

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Postby Sicanta » 05 Oct 2016 17:59

European Parliament official backs India’s LoC strikes

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... mhgwO.html
A top European Parliament official has said India’s cross-border action against “terrorists” should be commended and supported because if the terror emanating from Pakistan was not checked, it would target the West soon.

European Parliament vice-president Ryszard Czarnecki praised the Modi government and the Indian Army for their professional approach to a situation that was becoming graver by the day.

“The message that came out was loud and clear that India would no longer allow Pakistan to fuel cross-border terrorism,” the British-born Polish politician said in a signed article in EP Today, the monthly news magazine for the European Parliament.

He wrote the “proactive operation” carried out on Pakistan-controlled territory” was “probably a first by India” and was in response to the two attacks on Indian defence establishments -- the Pathankot airbase in January and the Uri army camp in September.

“Both these establishments are located near the Indian border with Pakistan and the attacks were carried out by Pakistan-based terror groups who had sneaked across the border into India,” he said.

Czarnecki remarks are similar to those of Russian ambassador to India Alexander M Kadakin, who too blamed Pakistan for Uri attack, supporting the September 29 attack on militants preparing to infiltrate into India from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.

The lightning strikes were India’s first military response to the Uri attack that left 19 soldiers dead.

India clearly indicated the raid was not against the Pakistani state but focussed on terror groups threatening the region, he said.

“India deserves global support in its fight against terror emanating from Pakistan, for, if left unchecked, these individuals and groups would be attacking Europe and the West soon,” Czarnecki wrote.

It was important for the European Union to maintain pressure on Pakistan to eliminate the terror networks that operated within its borders.

“The time has come for the world to act decisively against terrorism and ensure that no terror group is assured of a secure haven in any part of the world,” he added.

The close relationship between the Pakistan defence establishment, the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network was well known, he said.

“We have witnessed the alarming growth of Pak-linked terror modules in Europe and other parts of the world. The close proximity between the Pak security establishment and extremist / terror groups has also given rise to a situation where organisations propagating Islamic militancy in Pakistan enjoy de facto state patronage,” Czarnecki said.

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Postby shiv » 05 Oct 2016 18:00

Rudhraksha wrote:It does not matter what the general public/hyper politicians think about 'details'. The perception and fact that armed forces are protecting the country with courage and valor is critical, and it is re-instated. Security, and secrecy are inseparable. Public should mature, and should be denied details saying it will compromise our further efforts of arriving at a longer term solution. Armed forces should not be under this pressure to prove. De-link .

All the people who are now beating their breasts and tearing out their hair about "perceptions" were sitting cosy and comfortable as long as it appeared to them that this govt is as impotent as Mousmohan's 10 year saga giving them a soft semi hard on that things can't have been that bad. Now suddenly Pakistan gets a kick. 99% of people are cheering and a few come out and say "I'm not convinced. The perception war cannot be won until I am personally convinced". Chicanery of the same genre that I saw in 2008 when one minister said "Oh such attacks happen"

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Postby Gagan » 05 Oct 2016 18:14

It won't be long before these voices devolve into trying to take credit for things they will claim to have supported in the past.
What we see now is shameless politicization of a military response. Bean counters are trying to calculate political impact.
On BRF we see the reappearance of posters who want to have a political discussion about this event.

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Postby arun » 05 Oct 2016 18:26

Sicanta wrote:European Parliament official backs India’s LoC strikes


Full text of the above cited article titled “India’s War on Terror” by Ryszard Czarnecki, Vice President, European Parliament, that appeared in EP Today, follows.

EP Today describes itself as “a monthly news magazine for the European Parliament. EP Today is designed only for the MEPs to write article about issues which they think are currently important and need attention of all their colleagues and other policy makers. EPT does not carry daily news as other leading newspaper’s do, it carries policy opinions by the Members of the European Parliament.”:

All in All an article that is quite supportive of India’s actions to tackle Mohammadden Terrorism fomented by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

India’s War on Terror

Written by: Ryszard Czarnecki, Vice President, European Parliament on October 4, 2016.

On September 29, 2016, the Indian government informed the international community, both through diplomatic channels and the media, that it’s Army had carried out action against Pakistani terrorists who had assembled in small groups on the Pak-controlled side of its border in Kashmir, and had plans to enter India to carry out terror activities. According to the Indian Army statement, ‘significant casualties’ were inflicted on the terrorists. The message that came out was loud and clear – that India would no longer allow Pakistan to fuel cross-border terrorism. This proactive operation, carried out on Pak-controlled territory, was probably a first by India, and was a response to the two attacks by terror groups on Indian defence establishments earlier this year – the Pathankot Air base in January and the Uri Army camp in September. Both these establishments are located near the Indian border with Pakistan, and the attacks were carried out by Pak-based terror groups who had sneaked across the border into India.

The Pak government’s response to India’s statement was on expected lines. A spokesman of the Pak military described India’s announcement as “totally baseless and a complete lie”, adding that “the notion of surgical strikes linked to alleged terrorist bases is an illusion being deliberately generated by India to create false effects”. Pakistan has instead preferred to label the incident as a routine exchange of fire, in which it lost two soldiers, with another nine being wounded. For long, Pakistan has denied that anti-India terror groups and camps are operating in Pak-administered Kashmir, or other parts of the country. Hence it was unlikely that the Pak government would acknowledge that the Indian Army had neutralised some of these terror bases, whose very existence it has always denied.

Activities of Pak terror groups, usually supported by the country’s security establishment, have been extensively reported in the international media, over the last few years. The close association of the Pak defence establishment with the Afghan Taliban and Haqqani network is also well known, and the European Union has listed some of these Pak-based terror groups, including the Hizbul Mujahideen, on its terror list.

While earlier, groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba or Jaish-e-Muhammad were seen as a threat to Indian assets and as operating only in South Asia, over the recent past, we have witnessed the alarming growth of Pak-linked terror modules in Europe and other parts of the world. The close proximity between the Pak security establishment and extremist / terror groups has also given rise to a situation where organisations propagating Islamic militancy in Pakistan enjoy de-facto State patronage, including in their call to Pakistani youth to participate in the ‘global jihad’. Evidence of this is available in the blatant manner in which UN-proscribed individuals and organisations are permitted to threaten attacks against the Western world in public meetings in different parts of Pakistan. This radicalisation is also evident in arrests worldwide, including in the European Union, of Pak youth for their involvement in terror activities. Examples are the arrest of Mohd Usman Ghani by the Austrian police for his links to the Paris terror attack in November 2015, the arrest of 18 Pak nationals by the Italian security agencies in 2015 for their association with international terrorism, and of 3 Pakistani nationals by the Spanish police in July 2016 for spreading jihadist ideology.

Over the last few years, the EU has experienced a large number of casualties caused by terror attacks, and there is every likelihood that we will continue to face an increasing number of threats from jihadist groups and individuals, in the near future. This rising threat calls for an effective response by us, to groups and states that sponsor terror, and support to states that are dealing with such threats. The need of the hour, therefore, is for the international community to stand together and cooperate in the common fight against terrorism.

India’s cross-border action against terrorists on its borders with Pakistan should be commended and supported by the international community. India has clearly indicated that these attacks were not against the Pakistani state, but focussed against terror groups that threatened peace and stability in the region. India deserves global support in its fight against terror emanating from Pakistan, for if left unchecked, these individuals and groups would be attacking Europe and the West, soon. It is also important for the European Union to maintain pressure on Pakistan to eliminate the terror networks that operate within its borders. The time has come for the world to act decisively against terrorism and ensure that no terror group is assured of a secure haven in any part of the world.

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Postby JwalaMukhi » 05 Oct 2016 18:27

The people who are really interested about video footage are not pakis, it will be the chinese. The checks from Xinhua must have already been delievered and many a sepoys on both sides of the border are fully activated. napakis are napakis, they are rat who are being brainwashed to be billis by china. Well, napakis already know the truth, they are singing for their supper so their bosom buddies get some insight into the ops.

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Postby SBajwa » 05 Oct 2016 19:11

I think GOI should not release the evidence in public domain, but show it to Kejriwal and gang, and get him to release another video stating that he is convinced yada yada

WTF delhi's CM has to do with convincing himself about army's surgical strikes across the border? Tell him that India's border is not at panipat anymore.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby sudhan » 05 Oct 2016 19:18

Wonder what has made the Porks so scared.

Karachi and Lawhore airspaces shut for 2 weeks

Wonder if IAF Sukhois are messing with the pigs causing all hell to break loose in PAF langots..

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Postby arun » 05 Oct 2016 20:28

CNN-News18 journalist Manoj Gupta calls a senior Police official in Pakistan Occupied Jammu & Kashmir, namely one Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range and claims he, Manoj Gupta, is Akbar’s boss and cons information that confirms surgical strikes were indeed carried out :lol: :

Surgical Strikes: Despite Days of Doctoring by Pakistan, Here's Proof From Across LoC

Full text of the purported conversation:

Surgical Strikes: Full Text of Conversation Which Exposes Pakistan's Lies

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Postby Rudradev » 05 Oct 2016 20:55

SSridhar wrote:Indo-Pak tension may get Gen. Sharif an extension - Omer Farooq Khan, ToI

Here is a conspiracy theory.

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The question therefore in my mind at least is why therefore could Uri attack not have been a joint operation by the PA & JeM at the instigation of China knowing fully well that India would retaliate and a ruse could therefore be used to allow the Army gain favourable decisions as far as CPEC is concerned? We have to now look for signals from the Pakistani Army linking Indian provocations (they cannot admit of the surgical strike openly but China would know that it took place) with the CPEC to strengthen its case.


SSridhar ji, interesting theory! With your permission I would like to poke some holes in it.

1) On what basis can we say China knew "fully well" that India would retaliate for Uri? I don't know if the Pakis were even expecting such a high number of Indian KIA at Uri; most of the deaths were because of tents catching fire. Even if they fully expected 18 deaths, why would they think we would behave any differently this time than after Pathankot? On the contrary, I think PA and ISI were lulled by our non-response to Pathankot into thinking that Modi turned out to be a Hindu Bania solely interested in economic growth, and could thus be needled ad infinitum because he would never do anything to jeopardize the Indian economy.
2) When even close watchers of the India-TSP situation like us on BRF were surprised at the 28/9 surgical strike, would the Chinese/PA/JeM have bet on such an unprecedented Indian response to help Raheel Sharif secure an extension? It would seem a long shot.
3) In fact, if the whole thing was a trap laid with full expectation of an Indian surgical strike in response, why weren't PA well prepared for the Indian incursion so that Raheel could claim a victory by giving a mooh-thod jawab? Wouldn't that have made a far better case for his extension than this kerfuffle of PA being caught 400% on the backfoot, and then running around trying to deny the strike ever happened?

It is certainly possible that China wants Raheel to be extended because they have already made investments in bribing him and his coterie with protection money for CPEC... and the next chor that becomes TSPA COAS, may have to be bribed all over again. Instigating the PA/ISI terror attack at Uri seems a very risky strategy though, and not typical of the Chinese. It may have been far less risky to (say) stage a spectacular terrorist attack against hapless Pakistani Christians or something... then have Raheel step forward as the sole guarantor of Pakistan's internal security, buffing his Zarb-e-Kabr credentials.


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