Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby asgkhan » 06 Oct 2016 07:47

shiv wrote:I think Pakis will change the narrative fro denial to partial acceptance. The problem for them will be pressure form jihadi groups to strike - which has been set aside by claiming that there was no attack. Now that the initial shock has worn out they will say that there were some localized attacks - far far less than was reported by India and that their men fought valiantly. There were only 37 men against 150 Indians who came ready with equipment to take over parts of PoK and stay permanently, but were driven away inshallah.

This will open up space for more attacks from Pakistan - with adequate preparation. The Indian armed forces realize this perfectly well. But I think this time they will not let their guard down. If they do we will get hit. Even with caution there may be gaps and there is definitely an attack coming


First Wave: Trainee jih@di pigs will be sent to check the response of the camps and feel out the defenses. They are all disposable.
Second Wave: Will have the hard core pigs who will be on a one way mission to cause maximum casualty. Will happen in 2-3 months on a small-medium sized military camp, but in the rear most area.
Third wave: Urban targets will be on the receiving end, it could be by sleeper cells/homegrown future fertilizer wannabe bakis.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby vijayk » 06 Oct 2016 08:43

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The surgical strike at the launch pads of the jihadis in PoK has delivered a new message, and that being that India is now no longer going to be entrapped in the cycle of terrorist attack followed by a dose of talks and goodwill exchanges, only to be followed by another terrorist attack. We have demonstrated that this cyclic nature of proxy war will now be punctuated by heavy Indian intervention, thus disrupting the very cycle to our advantage, and till the destruction of Pakistan’s war waging potential.

The cyclic nature of the proxy war waged by Pakistan had spawned a huge industry, i.e., a military-jihadi complex in Pakistan and its affiliates in India. The Indian affiliates comprising some intellectuals, some segments of the media, and even some retired diplomats and military personnel were at their desperate best to dissuade India from taking any action in reply to the Uri attack. Some of the worst government baiters of the present government were seen to be praising the prime minister for his restraint and maturity. They did betray a sense of nervousness at a possible Indian action, and the impact that it would have on the thriving proxy war industry.

The agents of proxy war in India have been hysterical in warning India of a massive retaliation by Pakistan consequent to the surgical strike. There can be no greater injustice to the Indian people, the biggest and unsuspecting sufferers of Pakistan’s proxy war, by use of the word ‘retaliation’. It is a bad word in the context of Pakistan since India is the victim and the aggrieved party. Are they making a case that Pakistan has a right to terrorise, since we have now refused to accept its jihadi terrorism? Hence, any so-called retaliation from Pakistan will be construed as an attack on India. In that eventuality, we will respond even more heavily and henceforth the onus to end the cycle of proxy war will be on Pakistan.

The Indian affiliates of Pakistan’s jihadi-military complex have been warning their fellow Indians about unknown outcomes of our pro-active action. The use of irregulars not only detracts the Pakistan Army from professionalism, it also infuses a sense of exaggerated sense of self-importance and military prowess amongst the jihadis. They come to view themselves as equals, if not superior to the professional army. The key motivating factors for such groups can never be the same as those of a professional army, and therefore, their marriage in the long run is bound to be counter-productive, rather disastrous. It can be stated that there would be no other outcome beyond what India has already experienced in the last three decades. Pakistan has already reached the level of ‘suicide bombers’ and cannot go beyond.

The future of Pakistan is bleak. Through the 1980s and mid-1990s, the three pillars of Pakistan were the military, the prime minister and the president, referred to as ‘Troika’. This has undergone a fundamental change. The jihadi outfits have become the second most important pillar of Pakistan after the military. A blow to this pillar could be fatal for the country.

As far as the diplomatic isolation of Pakistan is concerned, India has never been geopolitically in a more envious position. The reference to proofs and evidence of Pakistan’s jihadi attacks on India is basically for consumption of the Western world. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces, led by America in Afghanistan, has been an equal if not worse sufferer of Pakistan’s jihadi depredations in Afghanistan. The NATO has lost more than 5,000 security personnel at the hands of jihadis orchestrated by Pakistan. Majority of the terrorist attacks in most parts of the world have Pakistani footprints. All South Asian nations have been buffeted by Pakistan’s jihadi complex. Bangladesh in particular has experienced murderous machinations by Pakistan’s jihadis.


It is nobody’s idea to suggest that Pakistan would put an immediate stop to jihadi misadventures against India. The difference now will be the unpredictability of nature, place and level of Indian response. Pakistan’s deniability henceforth will be met by overwhelming overt Indian action. The era of deniability and cycle of terror is now a thing of past for Pakistan.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby deWalker » 06 Oct 2016 09:03

http://www.dawn.com/news/1288350/exclusive-act-against-militants-or-face-international-isolation-civilians-tell-military

Dawn reports that the ISI and Paki gov't *may* start cracking down on jihadis. This is the ultimate Paki defeat, and if it comes to pass - especially this close to Operation Vasectomy (surgical strike - get it?) - then it can only be interpreted as Porkis yielding ON BENDED KNEE to India.

We should take it on ourselves to emphasize at every turn that ANY Paki action from now on is explicitly due,to INDIAN COERCION. Nothing will make the Paki missile shrink faster.

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Postby Kashi » 06 Oct 2016 09:13

deWalker wrote:Dawn reports that the ISI and Paki gov't *may* start cracking down on jihadis. This is the ultimate Paki defeat, and if it comes to pass - especially this close to Operation Vasectomy (surgical strike - get it?) - then it can only be interpreted as Porkis yielding ON BENDED KNEE to India.
We should take it on ourselves to emphasize at every turn that ANY Paki action from now on is explicitly due,to INDIAN COERCION. Nothing will make the Paki missile shrink faster.


I am not sure Baki army will tolerate an upstart civvie telling them to back off. Badmash tried the same after Kargil thinking that Mushi was weakened and got "couped" in return. This time he probably feels emboldened to expand his ever shrinking space in the belief that he's safe because of the Kerry Luger bill. Does Ganja know something that we do not? Something about the much whispered but never mentioned HVTs?

TSPA reaction will be interesting. To accept Ganja's diktats would be a severe loss of H&D. Throw into the mix, the impending retirement of bad Shareef and things are looking very interesting indeed.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby deWalker » 06 Oct 2016 09:39

Kashi wrote:
I am not sure Baki army will tolerate an upstart civvie telling them to back off.

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TSPA reaction will be interesting.


TSPA is caught between a rock and a hard place. They can't give in to India or their prestige at home will be in tatters. They can't take over in a coo when the US, Europe, India and China are already isolating them at the same time; and finally they can't ask the civvies to Eff Off. Agreed, Their reaction will be interesting! 8)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2016 09:44

Muns wrote:
http://www.india-aware.com

Comments appreciated! Thanks!

This is a very good analytical article that I would classify as "before its time". I am personally in 100% agreement with your psychological assessment of the Islamic indoctrinated Paki mind - but the rest of India and the world have to catch up because mental secularism can kick in and block thoughts before the truth in your article can sink in

There are however 2 typos. One is where ou have typed Obama instead of Osama. The other is "Uri never happened". I think you mean "Surgical Strike never happened"

I will cross post your article in 2 threads in the other forum on BRF and I think this is deserving of a place in the first post of every Paki thread.

My compliments

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2016 09:48

deWalker wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1288350/exclusive-act-against-militants-or-face-international-isolation-civilians-tell-military

Dawn reports that the ISI and Paki gov't *may* start cracking down on jihadis.

Too late for this. Paki population is too jihadized for this. Paki army officers are now scared of being shot by their own men if they do that.

Let me state it on here -"Your heard it here first" - There will be no reversal of Pakistani jihadization and support for jihad. The army cannot move back in time.Those days are gone.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Singha » 06 Oct 2016 10:03

this man has surely been summoned for a 1:1 with a rather upset Raheel shareef !

CNN IBN

Pakistan may continue to deny India’s assertions about the "surgical strikes" on terrorist launch pads in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, but CNN News18 can confirm – based on disclosures by a senior Pakistani police official – that the strikes did indeed take place and killed at least five Pakistani soldiers and an unspecified number of militants.
Six days after India said it had carried out the strikes inside Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), the response of the Pakistani establishment has ranged from absolute dismissal by its military leadership to ridicule of India’s claim by its defence minister.
But that has now been shattered with just one phone call that CNN-News18’s Investigations Editor Manoj Gupta made to a senior police official in PoK who, under the impression he was speaking to his superior, rattled off the events of that tumultuous night and confirmed every single claim made by the Indian Army.
Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range in PoK, is heard admitting that the surgical strikes had indeed taken place at many sectors on the early hours of September 29. During the call with Gupta, he clearly stated that the Pakistani Army was caught unawares by the Indian attack and lost 5 of its soldiers (CNN News18 has their names) and that the bodies of unknown number of terrorists were quickly removed by the Pakistani military.
CNN-News18’s Gupta called Akbar pretending to be ‘IG Mushtaq’ and sought details about the casualties of that night.
In response, Akbar paints a true picture of the areas that he personally knew were under attack that night – Samana in Bhimber, Hazira in Poonch, Dudhniyal in Neelam and Kayani in Hathian Bala – and said Pakistani Army has cordoned off all these areas immediately after the surgical strikes.
The SP also said Pakistani Army put the dead bodies in ambulances and took them away, adding that many have been buried in villages and that his cops were evaluating the coffin boxes.
Akbar also confirmed every single line that Indian Director-General of Military Operations Lt General Ranbir Singh had said in his press conference on September 30 where he announced to the world that India had carried out surgical strikes into PoK and destroy terror launch pads.
Also Read: Surgical Strikes: Full Text of Conversation Which Exposes Pakistan's Lies
India has not officially announced how many people it killed during the strikes, only saying it managed to neutralize a "significant" number of terrorists. However, Islamabad has pooh poohed the Indian claims of surgical strikes, and said it lost two soldiers in cross border firing by Indian troops.
"Sir, that was night...you can say roughly 3-4 hours... between 2 am and 4 or 5am... the attack continued between that time," Akbar told CNN-News18, even confirming the time of the commando raid.
Also Read: Surgical Strikes: The Telephone Conversation That Nailed Pakistan's Lie
"There were attacks on separate places... several places were attacked... they also met resistance," he said.
And in another revelation that could put Pakistan on a mat, Akbar also revealed that the Pakistani Army facilitates jihadi movement in forward areas and arranges for their crossing over to India.
"The Army brings them, sir... it is in their hands," he says adding that he can’t give accurate numbers because Pakistani Army protects the jihadi infrastructure from even the local authorities and police.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Arun_J » 06 Oct 2016 10:03

deWalker wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1288350/exclusive-act-against-militants-or-face-international-isolation-civilians-tell-military

Dawn reports that the ISI and Paki gov't *may* start cracking down on jihadis. This is the ultimate Paki defeat, and if it comes to pass - especially this close to Operation Vasectomy (surgical strike - get it?) - then it can only be interpreted as Porkis yielding ON BENDED KNEE to India.

We should take it on ourselves to emphasize at every turn that ANY Paki action from now on is explicitly due,to INDIAN COERCION. Nothing will make the Paki missile shrink faster.


If this is indeed true then this is the beginning of the process of another coup. Bad Sharif + TSPA won't take orders from good Sharif. Time for another long Saudi vacation for NS, or another hospitalization in UK.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby ramana » 06 Oct 2016 10:04

deWalker wrote:
Kashi wrote:
I am not sure Baki army will tolerate an upstart civvie telling them to back off.

...

TSPA reaction will be interesting.


TSPA is caught between a rock and a hard place. They can't give in to India or their prestige at home will be in tatters. They can't take over in a coo when the US, Europe, India and China are already isolating them at the same time; and finally they can't ask the civvies to Eff Off. Agreed, Their reaction will be interesting! 8)


Venkaiah Naidu said it best TSP is like a thief stung by a scorpion. Can't cry out lest he is found out.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby hnair » 06 Oct 2016 10:09

^^^Regarding that carefully planted article in Dawn, the Khakis are not going to listen to reason and are probably readying the ladders to be used on the Paki radio station gates

Last time a civilian govt conveyed the international opinion to the khakis, they responded with a coup. That was in 1999. Before that, a civilian govt tried to reign the khakidiots with its own games in 1977 and that resulted in a coup. Before that it was 1958, that Ayooooob jernail woke up with a brainwave that he can do better than any one else....

We are nearly at the end of this two-decade interval (starting from 1999). So by 2017, the khakis would attempt their next round of farce.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2016 10:17

Arun_J wrote:


If this is indeed true then this is the beginning of the process of another coup. Bad Sharif + TSPA won't take orders from good Sharif. Time for another long Saudi vacation for NS, or another hospitalization in UK.

I think it might be a little more complex than this. I am not sure that the Paki army - esp the afsar cadre want wholesale jihad controlling them so they have to pretend to be "against extremists". The (LOL) "civilian government" under Nawaz Sharif is one of the biggest supporters of extremism and Imran Khan's party is an ally of Taliban so when Sharif says that army must crack down on extremists he is simply pretending.

What both Paki army and Nawaz Sharif agree on is that they have to support (and get the support of ) sarkari jihadis like LeT and JeM and their leaders Hafiz Saeed and Massod Azhar and a few other motley groups. Both also agree that the "Image of Pakistan" needs a makeover so the world (which is actually full of suckers) can get fooled for some more time.

This news item is totally worthless. To be read, laughed at and discarded. Think no more of it. Believing that it is true makes no sense and will only fool people into thinking that there are some groups in Pakistan who actually want to act against Islamic groups. When we keep cursing our own Libtards and WKKs we must not fall into the same trap that they are stuck in.

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Postby partha » 06 Oct 2016 10:56

Also see the author - Cyril Almeida who it appears is widely read by western analysts and has good credibility among them. So yes, it looks like a carefully planted article. They must be feeling the pressure of Indian efforts to isolate them and hence this article to make it look like they are really trying hard to fix things. Army may also bump off one of its top anti India terrorist and claim a successful crackdown on all terror groups without making any distinction. We should continue to put pressure on them.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2016 10:59

I believe that BRF needs a re-orientation program about Pakistan. I see too many old assumptions cropping up without reading how our own wishes on BRF that Pakistan needs "more Islam" has panned out

Pakistan has moved a long looong way from 1999 when Musharraf claimed that he could control all jihadis. Back then there were only two power centerd in Pakistan - the "civilian government" and the Army. The former supported jihad and the latter trained the jihadis and facilitated them and controlled them as Musharraf boasted. But in his 9 years Musharraf himself allowed things to go too far, with Lal Masjid in Islamabad and the taking over of Swat by jihadis - all of which were tolerated for so long that a proportion of Pakjabis thought that this was normal and desirable and "liberals" such as that piece of shit Salman Taseer needed to be killed.

It was after the Peshawar school attack that the Paki army, whose afsars lost kids suddenly decided to go tooth and nail against "extremists". But they attacked only the Pakistani Taliban and did not touch the Haqqani network or LeT/JeM. Now there are milions of people in the lands bordering Afghanistan who hate the paki army and there is the Baloch insurgency that has gradually started getting attention. (As a minor digression I want to point out that I searched through all 2000 or so names followed on Twitter by Barkha Dutt, Vishnu Som, Rajdeep Sardesai and Shekhar Gupta. They follow a lot of "liberal Pakis" but there are no Baloch names there.)

So now there is a change from the 2 power centers of Pakistan. Pakistan now has 1+1+(0.1 + 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.4) = 3 power centers. the decimals are motley jihad groups - none of which are powerful enough by themselves but each of whom is supported by or supports someone or some cause or the other. The army can no longer be assured of full power by simply replacing the civilian government because the jihadi groups are a spoiler and many of those groups hate the Paki army to the core.

I think we need to look at Pakistan with new lenses to assess the future

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby arun » 06 Oct 2016 11:59

arun wrote:Spokesperson of the Dynastic Nehru-Gandhi family led Congress Party, discloses that the Indian Army carried out cross LoC raids in 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2013.

Congress confirms noiseless surgical strikes


Dynastic Nehru Gandhi family led Congress Party gets a sock in the eye.

Former DGMO of Indian Army from 2012 to 2014, Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia, has said that the Indian Army's retaliation post Uri cannot be compared with operations conducted when the Nehru Gandhi family dynasty led Congress Party was at the helm.

Excerpt:

Putting things contextually, Lt Gen Vinod Bhatia said, “I am a soldier and I belong to the Indian Army, which is totally apolitical – dedicated, committed and professional. Now, let us put the surgical strikes in the correct contextual framework. These surgical strikes are in a different domain, they are a defining moment, where all elements of national power, that is the diplomatic, informational, military, economic, political, cultural – have synergised, and for the first time, India has given a befitting response to terrorist operations in the counter-terror domain”. “Having said that, the earlier strikes were not even strikes, they were cross-border operations done at the local level without much planning, without much thought,” he said when asked about Congress’s claims of two surgical strikes conducted at a time when he was DGMO.


From Here:

Former DGMO refutes Congress claims of ‘surgical strikes’ during UPA tenure; says not same as post-Uri retaliation

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby arun » 06 Oct 2016 12:15

Joh Gujranwala mein G**ndu hai woh Geelong mein bhi G**ndu hai

Cleric by name of Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai originating in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and belonging to the Mohammadden Sunni sect and Barelvi subsect gets turfed out of Australia for having indulged in that very Mohammadden practice of insulting fellow Abrahamic Jews aka Yahood’s aka Joo’s.

The Mohammadden Cleric was found by Australian Media company, Fairfax Media, to have said in a 2012 video titled "Jews are the enemies of Islam and the real peace" that “"Muslims are not terrorists; they are the lovers of peace and preachers of peace. And all the troubles that exist around the world are because of the Jews. When the Jews are wiped out, then the world would be purified". Fairfax Media in turn got the Pakistan Association of Australia to cancel Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai’s Australian speaking tour.

With Pakistani’s being as usual Paki, Pakistan Association President Abbas Khan claimed that Mohammadden Cleric Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai had told him (Abbas Khan) that he (Raza Saqib Mustafai) had said that “the video didn't reflect his opinions and was a quote from a book”:

Pakistani scholar ordered home from Australian tour after anti-Semitic video emerges

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Postby sudhan » 06 Oct 2016 12:36

Agree with Shiv on the 'planted' article on how the brave Shabaz confronted Akhtar.. A deeper analysis of the wording makes it clear that this is just to convince the Intnl clowns that things will change..

The article tries to make an impression that the Govt of Pak was somehow helpless and it was all the ISI's fault. Given the amount of ill will that ISI has globally, ISI must have agreed to publicizing the 'mild' (and staged) humiliation at the hands of the civvies to drive the point across to the intnl audience.. gives it a stale and all so familiar air of credibility.. Mushrat did it, Pasha/kayani did it and will continue.. The intnl audience will lap it up and pile the pressure on India as usual. Indian diplomatic offensive should not let up the pressure..

Isn't it under Shabaz that JuD gets millions in govt funding? And the dolt talks about how ISI restrains the govt. This is a theater performance par excellence!
In response to Foreign Secretary Chaudhry’s conclusions, Gen Akhtar asked what steps could be taken to prevent the drift towards isolation. Mr Chaudhry’s reply was direct and emphatic: the principal international demands are for action against Masood Azhar and the Jaish-i-Mohmmad; Hafiz Saeed and the Lashkar-e-Taiba; and the Haqqani network.

To that, Gen Akhtar offered that the government should arrest whomever it deems necessary, though it is unclear whether he was referring to particular individuals or members of banned groups generally. At that point came the stunning and unexpectedly bold intervention by Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif.

Addressing Gen Akhtar, the younger Sharif complained that whenever action has been taken against certain groups by civilian authorities, the security establishment has worked behind the scenes to set the arrested free. Astounded onlookers describe a stunned room that was immediately aware of the extraordinary, unprecedented nature of the exchange.

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Postby Philip » 06 Oct 2016 13:25

This may explain why Nawaz S was caught on camera feeling if his "ghoolies" were still there after our "surgery" in POK! The split between the corrupt civvy politicos of Pak and the equally corrupt Khakiwallahs of the Paki army in particular is out in the open.As nation after nations deserts Pak,the writing is clearly on the wall.Nawaz has been able to decipher-complete isolation of Pak internationally, it but the illiterate Paki uniformed tribe of thuggies has still not been able to master the "ABC" of the universal international language of diplomacy.With even China-allegedly in private,wanting a course correction,as its own intl reputation is at stake if it continues to protect Paki terrorists,Pak's isolation is complete.

Furthermore,with the green light for MILITARY STRIKES given to India by Russia,the US,UK,Germany,et al,a devastating surgical campaign to neuter Pak militarily will spell catastrophe for it and its reputation.The bogey of its nukes has been calld into Q both by India and the intl. community,alarmed at the prospect of Paki nukes in jihadi hands.Pak has been read the riot act by the globe,all its contortions and gimmickry has produced a great big zero.
Humpty Dumpty Sharif and is regime is teetering on the brink of catastrophe if his army is not reined in.The ball or bomb is now in the hands of the Paki military.THey can either defuse it or see it blow up in their face!

http://www.dawn.com/news/1288350/exclus ... l-military
Exclusive: Act against militants or face international isolation, civilians tell military
CYRIL ALMEIDA — UPDATED ABOUT 2 HOURS AGO

ISLAMABAD: In a blunt, orchestrated and unprecedented warning, the civilian government has informed the military leadership of a growing international isolation of Pakistan and sought consensus on several key actions by the state.

As a result of the most recent meeting, an undisclosed one on the day of the All Parties’ Conference on Monday, at least two sets of actions have been agreed.

First, ISI DG Gen Rizwan Akhtar, accompanied by National Security Adviser Nasser Janjua, is to travel to each of the four provinces with a message for provincial apex committees and ISI sector commanders.

The message: military-led intelligence agencies are not to interfere if law enforcement acts against militant groups that are banned or until now considered off-limits for civilian action. Gen Akhtar’s inter-provincial tour has begun with a visit to Lahore.

Second, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has directed that fresh attempts be made to conclude the Pathankot investigation and restart the stalled Mumbai attacks-related trials in a Rawalpindi antiterrorism court.

Read: India links talks resumption to Pathankot probe

Those decisions, taken after an extraordinary verbal confrontation between Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif and the ISI DG, appear to indicate a high-stakes new approach by the PML-N government.

The following account is based on conversations with Dawn of individuals present in the crucial meetings this week.
All declined to speak on the record and none of the attributed statements were confirmed by the individuals mentioned.

Foreign secretary’s presentation
On Monday, on the day of the All Parties’ Conference, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry gave a separate, exclusive presentation in the Prime Minister’s Office to a small group of civil and military officials.

The meeting was chaired by Prime Minister Sharif and included senior cabinet and provincial officials. On the military side, ISI DG Rizwan Akhtar led the representatives.

The presentation by the foreign secretary summarised the results of the recent diplomatic outreach by Pakistan, the crux being that Pakistan faces diplomatic isolation and that the government’s talking points have been met with indifference in major world capitals.

Examine: What should determine Pakistan’s foreign policy?

On the US, Mr Chaudhry said that relations have deteriorated and will likely further deteriorate because of the American demand that action be taken against the Haqqani network. On India, Mr Chaudhry stated that the completion of the Pathankot investigation and some visible action against Jaish-i-Mohammad were the principal demands.

Then, to a hushed but surprised room, Mr Chaudhry suggested that while China has reiterated its support for Pakistan, it too has indicated a preference for a change in course by Pakistan. Specifically, while Chinese authorities have conveyed their willingness to keep putting on technical hold a UN ban on Jaish-i-Mohammad leader Masood Azhar, they have questioned the logic of doing so repeatedly.

Extraordinary exchange
The foreign secretary’s unexpectedly blunt conclusions triggered an astonishing and potentially ground-shifting exchange between the ISI DG and several civilian officials.

In response to Foreign Secretary Chaudhry’s conclusions, Gen Akhtar asked what steps could be taken to prevent the drift towards isolation. Mr Chaudhry’s reply was direct and emphatic: the principal international demands are for action against Masood Azhar and the Jaish-i-Mohmmad; Hafiz Saeed and the Lashkar-e-Taiba; and the Haqqani network.

To that, Gen Akhtar offered that the government should arrest whomever it deems necessary, though it is unclear whether he was referring to particular individuals or members of banned groups generally. At that point came the stunning and unexpectedly bold intervention by Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif.

Addressing Gen Akhtar, the younger Sharif complained that whenever action has been taken against certain groups by civilian authorities, the security establishment has worked behind the scenes to set the arrested free. Astounded onlookers describe a stunned room that was immediately aware of the extraordinary, unprecedented nature of the exchange.

To defuse tensions, Prime Minister Sharif himself addressed Gen Akhtar and said that policies pursued in the past were state policies and as such they were the collective responsibility of the state and that the ISI DG was not being accused of complicity in present-day events.

PM’s strategy?
Several eyewitnesses to the incredible events of Monday believe that the foreign secretary’s presentation and Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif’s intervention were orchestrated by the prime minister to stir the military to action, leading to the decision to dispatch the ISI DG on an inter-provincial tour.

Yet, according to the accounts shared with Dawn, the sparring between the ISI DG and civilian officials did not degenerate into acrimony.

Earlier in the meeting, ISI DG Gen Akhtar stated that not only is it the military’s policy to not distinguish between militant groups, but that the military is committed to that policy prevailing. The ISI chief did mention concerns about the timing of action against several groups, citing the need to not be seen as buckling to Indian pressure or abandoning the Kashmiri people.

Gen Akhtar also readily agreed to tour the provinces at the direction of the prime minister, issue fresh orders to ISI sector commanders and meet with provincial apex committees to chalk out specific actions that need to be taken in various provinces.

According to several government officials, Monday’s confrontation was part of a high-stakes gamble by Prime Minister Sharif to try and forestall further diplomatic pressure on Pakistan. In separate meetings with the army chief, participants describe an animated and energised Mr Sharif, who has argued that Pakistan faces real isolation if policy adjustments are not made.

Government officials, however, are divided about whether Prime Minister Sharif’s gamble will pay off. According to one official, commenting on the ISI DG’s commitments, “This is what we prayed to hear all our lives. Let’s see if it happens.”

Another government official offered: “Wait till November to see if action will be taken. By then a lot of things will be settled.”
Military officials declined to comment. :rotfl:

Published in Dawn, October 6th, 2016


PS: However,there is one big flaw in India's alleged approach.Simply resuming the investigations into Pathankot,etc. will only drag on the impasse and current situ for ever and ever.Pak has no intention of prosecuting these terrorists.The ruling elite would be swift victims like Bibi Bhutto.
India must demand the "handing over" of these terrorists who have been declared so by the Intl. authorities ,just as OBL was so declared,intl public enemy no 1.Dawood I and the host of ungodly terrorist scum must be handed over for trial and prosecution (and eventual execution).Nothing else will suffice.India must have its "jaw" and the whole animal too!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby asgkhan » 06 Oct 2016 13:37

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2016/09 ... b-goswami/

My experience with Arnab Goswami
Columns CommentSEPTEMBER 9, 2016 BY SULTAN M HALI
RAW’s mouthpiece





Arnab Goswami is the Editor-in-Chief and the anchor of Indian TV Channel’s current affairs programme “The News Hour”. Mr. Goswami has the reputation of being a hardnosed, no-nonsense style anchor but the truth is he is a biased bigot, who works in accordance to a heinous agenda. The crux of his daily talk shows is hosting guests from Pakistan, attempting to harass them with a barrage of questions, butting in while they attempt to respond and giving himself and his Indian viewers the sadistic pleasure of putting the Pakistani participants in the dock.



Giving the devil his due, both Arnab and his Indian participants come well prepared, albeit with distorted facts but their endeavour is to overwhelm the Pakistani participants through bullying, hurling accusations and snubbing them.



Arnab Goswami works to promote the activities of Indian spy agency Research & Analysis Wing (RAW). Last year on New Year’s Eve, RAW orchestrated a drama in which a fishing boat was apprehended and projected as a terror boat from Pakistan. There was no video coverage, apart from “Times Now” TV Channel, which was “coincidentally” on board an Indian Coast Guard vessel and filmed the entire gory episode. Choreographed in the script of the false flag operation, “Times Now” recorded the boat being chased by Indian Coast Guard and blowing itself into smithereens when the coast guard came closer. The visuals of the burning boat were carried exclusively by “Times Now”. Arnab Goswami went berserk, presenting the episode as another attempt in the style of the Mumbai Attacks of 2008 to strike terror in India but that this one was nipped in the bud.

The exposé came two weeks later, when B.K. Loshali, the DIG Indian Coast Guard, boasted to another TV Channel “Let me tell you. I hope you remember 31st December night. I was there at Gandhinagar and I told at night, blow the boat off. We don’t want to serve them biryani.” Apparently, the fishing boat had been evacuated before the explosion and was laden with some kind of flammable material, like oil, because the flames reached sky high. If the boat had been laden with explosives as alleged, it would have just blown up and not caught fire. Loshali was court-martialed and sacked for exposing the RAW-Times Now plot.



Whenever a statement of some kind is issued by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, accusing Pakistan of sponsoring terrorism, Arnab Goswami is the first to include the subject matter in his debate and brandish threats on his Pakistani guests.

The modus operandi is that a regular participant from India Maroof Raza, an Indian Muslim, who is also the Consulting Editor, Strategic Affairs for “Times Now”, RSN Singh, Former RAW Officer & Military Intelligence Expert, and General G. D. Bakhshi, defence analyst form the quartet. The Indian participants play according to a game plan to target a specific Pakistani guest and through prompts and prodding by Arnab Goswami, try and pin down the Pakistani participant.



During one such debate, just after another false flag operation conducted by RAW, this time against Indian Air Force Base Pathankot, on January 5, 2016, Arnab called for a debate in which this scribe was also a participant. It may be mentioned here that the first time I appeared in Arnab Goswami’s show, finding the atmosphere so vitriolic and Arnab’s style so hostile, I decided to walk out of the programme. Later on it prevailed upon me that one should not leave the field clear to Mr. Arnab and his cronies to embarrass Pakistan. Mr. Goswami also has the uncanny habit of having his producer mute the audio mike of Pakistani guests, whenever they criticise India. During this particular debate, General G.D. Bakhshi, addressing, me, stated that “since the Pakistani military is clearly incapable of handling the terrorists, Indian security forces should enter Pakistan and sort out these terrorists.” His boast infuriated me to the stage, where I had no option but to state that “If you want to come into Pakistan, come but we will give you such a bloody nose that you won’t know what hit you. You tried sending two Su-30s on a probe mission into Pakistani airspace just after the Mumbai Attack, because you were contemplating surgical strikes. Two PAF F-16s intercepted your fighters and took their cine and informed the pilots that if they did not beat a hasty retreat, they will be blown out of the sky.” This angry retort of mine was picked up by a Pakistani website which placed it on social media. It went viral within hours getting over a million hits. For a few weeks, I was not invited to Arnab Goswami’s show.



During another show by Arnab, Maroof Raza, while discussing Pakistan’s military operation “Zarb-e-Azb”, ridiculed it calling it “Operation Zarb-e-Kazb”. I rebuked Maroof Raza, stating that “Maroof coming from you, a Muslim, this comment is tantamount to blasphemy since “Azb” is the title of the sword of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) and you have labeled it as “Kazb” which means falsehood. Blasphemy is punishable by death.” Arnab and Maroof got scared and went into a long tirade defending Maroof Raza how he is a good Muslim and a great scholar.



On September 5, 2016, during the G-20 Summit Conference, Narendra Modi declared “one single nation in South Asia” that is spreading “agents of terror” in the region. “We expect the international community to speak and act in unity, and to respond with urgency to fight this menace. Those who sponsor and support terrorism must be isolated and sanctioned not rewarded… For us a terrorist is a terrorist.” This was ample opportunity for “Times Now” to debate this apparent chastising of Pakistan by the Indian Prime Minister in “The News Hour”. This scribe was a participant; when the anchor mockingly asked that wasn’t it embarrassing to be isolated by the international community? My response was that Narendra Modi said in his comment “one single nation in South Asia”. He did not have the courage to name Pakistan, in sharp contrast to Pakistan Army Chief’s September 1 speech at Gilgit, where he directly addressed Narendra Modi and RAW and asked them to stop conspiring against Pakistan. I added that as far as isolation is concerned, Narendra Modi should be asked how he felt, when after the 2002 Gujarat massacre, he was labeled as “The Butcher of Gujarat” and a majority of the members of G-20 had refused to grant him visit visa because according to Google’s list of Top Ten Terrorists of the world, Modi’s name appeared on the top. This caused a furor in the Indian camp.

At times Arnab Goswami resorts to inviting Pakistani origin participants like Hussain Haqqani, Ahmar Musti Khan and Tarek Fatah to denigrate Pakistan on his behalf and claim that even your Pakistani friends think so low of you.



Sometimes Arnab Goswami plays the ultimate trick on his viewers, presenting a female shrouded in niqab, with an apparently false name, pretending to be Baloch freedom fighter, hurling false accusations at Pakistani Army and ISI on behalf of RAW.



My advice to Pakistani participants appearing on Arnab Goswami’s show is that go prepared with facts and take on the Pakistan baiting anchor with logic and reasoning and defend Pakistan with valour. Don’t let him have a field day or the pleasure of overwhelming Pakistan in the verbal duel.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby asgkhan » 06 Oct 2016 13:38

A bit dated article, but funny nevertheless.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Kashi » 06 Oct 2016 13:46

asgkhan wrote:A bit dated article, but funny nevertheless.


..that belongs in the BENIS dhaga..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Philip » 06 Oct 2016 14:29

The global terrorist states named and shamed,Pak included."What ye sow,ye shall reap"

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1194446/not ... -pakistan/
THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE > WORLD
Not just Saudi Arabia, JASTA may haunt Pakistan too

By Naveed AhmadPublished: October 6, 2016

On September 9, 2016, United States (US) Congress passed an amendment in the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act 1976 to allow its nationals to sue foreign governments and entities. Citizens can file for litigation over losses resulting from terrorism carried in the US; from September 11, 2001 attack to the ones after. The Senate had cleared the bill in May, which then reached the Oval Office on the 15th anniversary of 9/11. Barack Obama vetoed to trash the legislation named Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA). But in their bid to humiliate the White House, the Senate chose to override the veto.

US Senate votes to override Obama’s 9/11 bill veto

Obama’s objections to the legislation were sound, though largely ignored by media and single-tracked congressmen and senators. However, 28 senators promised to fix its shortcomings in the next term. The act is awfully flawed, legally and procedurally, and the amendments made by the act apply to any civil action filed after its enactment and the victims of 9/11.

JASTA’s shortfalls and problems

In Obama’s view, JASTA violates the executive’s authority to determine if a state has sponsored terrorism by handing the power to local courts that are least equipped to make such determination. He noted the judges may take “consequential decisions… based upon incomplete information… (about) the culpability of individual foreign governments and their role in terrorist activities against the United States.” The executive, on the other hand, has a multi-agency support providing her an all-round view based on a broad spectrum of information and analysis. JASTA simply disregards the meticulous process evolved over decades of exercise in securing US national interest.

It also fails to take into account the long standing principle of foreign sovereign immunity. Vetoing the law, Obama warned other governments can pass similar legislations, allowing their domestic courts to hold the US liable for actions committed by personnel or members of its sponsored armed. He also pointed out the law would complicate US relations with its allies and partners. Saudi Arabia’s reaction to JASTA was categorical: “Weakening this sovereign immunity will affect all countries, including the United States.”

So far, US intelligence has not been able to conclude Saudi Arabia was responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attack. Controversy arose when Bush administration sealed a 28-page section of the Joint Congressional Inquiry Report on the 9/11 attacks. From the perspective of skeptic readers, the report, which is now available to the public, mentions King Fahad and Tamiyah mosques in Los Angeles nearly a dozen times. The connection of funding mosques and prayer leaders seeking acceptance of harsher, puritan view of Islam is seen to have manipulated 9/11 plotters in the US. But for many, including US President himself, the conclusions are more of a stretch. Commission inquiry itself failed to find any evidence of Saudi government’s role in the attack, either as an institution or its senior officials being supportive of the 9/11 plotters.

Saudi warns of ‘disastrous consequences’ over US 9/11 law

Had there been convincing evidence and urgency, it wouldn’t have taken the Congress 15 years to act. The amendment raised more concerns due to its failure at the domestic political terrain than for principled reasons. However, the legislation will largely appease the Trump camp as both democratic leaders, Bernie Sandars and Hillary Clinton, had backed the bill.

Beneficiaries of JASTA

Before dwelling into policy implications, it’s important to list the controversial laws’ real benefactors. Interestingly, the best beneficiaries of the law aren’t relatives of or the victims of 9/11 but an entirely different community: the lawyers, who will earn with both hands. They’ll ‘represent’ the families, playing up sympathy and prejudice to the jury. One of the parties will challenge the judgment and bring more business to the legal fraternity. The bigger share will come from the foreign country defending its case such as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. If the final decision favours the complainant, the foreign nation on the receiving end will also have to cover the legal cost besides paying damages.

Self-preserving members of the Congress and the Senate are the other prime beneficiaries who vetoed the President, weeks before the tightly contested presidential election. The trend of populist politics in America has pretty much buried the voice of sanity. In fact, to satisfy their vested interests, US lawyers and lawmakers alike have played to the ignorance of an American citizen who sees the world through a narrow keyhole. To a common man there, the jargons used in the 9/11 reports are mere spin in favour of a ‘terrorist state’ and media houses such as Fox News have been deliberately feeding into this bigotry.

Moreover, JASTA negates the notion of judiciary’s separation of power and encroaches on the executive authority. The power then lies with the judge to refer the matter to the executive. Although the act permits the Secretary of State to grant 180 day stay in the face of such litigation, there is no limit to the number of days the executive can stay or the court may grant. While it prolongs, cooling off diplomatic tensions temporarily, the lawyers will continue to make big money without doing much.

Holding US accountable

With dissolution of the principle of sovereign immunity, American personnel across the globe will be exposed to boundless litigation. But will US allies, such as EU, Israel and Australia, endorse dumping the convention of sovereign immunity? The chances are pretty dim due to domestic political controversies it will cause thereof.

Gulf states condemn law letting 9/11 families sue Saudi Arabia

On the other hand, why won’t a Vietnamese moved to America in the 70s want to sue her and win millions in damages? Almost 3,500 Vietnamese orphans were shipped to the US back then. Other Middle Eastern and African countries can also pursue an identical path by enacting similar laws and try a US national in domestic courts. Iraq’s case, in itself can make US administration vulnerable owing to the countless violations that had occurred.

Some conservatives have also mentioned Pakistan in the vein as Saudi Arabia. They believe Islamabad can be charged of backing terrorism under JASTA because Osama bin Laden was found living in the country. Pakistan may be least prepared for such fallout as Islamabad neither admitted hosting Osama nor launched any aggressive action against US troops conducting the operation to eliminate the world’s most wanted man. However, it may be best to hire a team of defense attorneys. :rotfl:

The spokesman of Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry says, “We have noted with concern the overturning of the US Presidential veto on JASTA, a law passed by US Congress aimed at targeting sovereign states.” He further added many countries across Europe and in the Middle East have also expressed similar concerns. “Pakistan had earlier also expressed anguish over the adoption of a domestic legislation with extra-territorial application,” he added.

US realises Saudi Arabia will sell off its US assets worth $750 billion in Treasury securities and some members of royal family may also divest their properties and businesses worth billions if JASTA challenges its sovereignty. However, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar will still buy fighter jets and other military hardware worth billions of dollars from America, while housing her bases. Saudi Arabia, alone has bought US military hardware worth $95 billion.

The humiliation of being tagged as an international sponsor of terrorism will be irreparable for Saudi Arabia, UAE or Pakistan. Every country has limited capacity to return the favour to US. There’s negligible likelihood countries threatened by JASTA will form a unified front or counter strategy, as Saudis are still too optimistic of their investment in US lobbyists, though they have failed them repeatedly.

Besides leaving its own personnel and proxies vulnerable to equally adverse legislation, JASTA will significantly isolate the US in the Middle East. Its ability to gather information and intelligence will be checked by vulnerable states fearing suspicion of JASTA being used against them. Probably, the rashness of US personnel or its backed proxies may also lessen out of fear of being tried on a foreign land under JASTA-style law.

Naveed Ahmad is a Pakistani investigative journalist and academic with extensive reporting experience in the Middle East and North Africa. He is based in Doha and Istanbul. He tweets @naveed360

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby IndraD » 06 Oct 2016 14:34

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 708689.cms

America is "no longer a world power" and Pakistan would move towards China and Russia if its views on Kashmir and India are not considered, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's envoys have said here.

He said Pakistan has a long standing relationship with the US and "we would like that (to continue). But of course, we have options also. With the greater Russian involvement in the region, they are also interested coming into CPEC (China Pakistan Economic Corridor). Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia has also expressed interest in joining CPEC".

The most important interest of the US is stability of Afghanistan and counter terrorism. And for that they like it not they need Pakistan's cooperation, which they have been getting and we have been providing and we are also suffering in the process. We see the shift (of US policy from Pakistan to India). And that shift would be detrimental to America's own security and interest in South Asia," Syed added.

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Postby Peregrine » 06 Oct 2016 14:39

deWalker wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1288350/exclusive-act-against-militants-or-face-international-isolation-civilians-tell-military

Dawn reports that the ISI and Paki gov't *may* start cracking down on jihadis. This is the ultimate Paki defeat, and if it comes to pass - especially this close to Operation Vasectomy (surgical strike - get it?) - then it can only be interpreted as Porkis yielding ON BENDED KNEE to India.

We should take it on ourselves to emphasize at every turn that ANY Paki action from now on is explicitly due,to INDIAN COERCION. Nothing will make the Paki missile shrink faster.
Arun_J wrote:If this is indeed true then this is the beginning of the process of another coup. Bad Sharif + TSPA won't take orders from good Sharif. Time for another long Saudi vacation for NS, or another hospitalization in UK.
Arun_J Ji :

I would opine that Bad Sharif and the TSPA are, in fact, preparing for a "Grand Response" - neither the Scorpion stop to Sting nor the Skunk stops to Stink - Bad Sharif and the TSPA are absolutely Transparent! India must be Super Vigilant.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2016 15:07

IndraD wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistan-would-move-towards-China-Russia-as-US-is-declining-power/articleshow/54708689.cms
America is "no longer a world power" and Pakistan would move towards China and Russia if its views on Kashmir and India are not considered, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's envoys have said here..

I have had a similar experience in my life. Angelina Jolie is no longer the top one in my view and if she continues to fail to respond I will simply move on to someone else who is desperately eager to get me like Penelope Cruz or Sunny Leone.

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Postby Peregrine » 06 Oct 2016 15:14

Terrorist training camps making our life hell, PoK residents say

NEW DELHI: In a damning indictment of Islamabad, protesting residents of Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir (PoK) said their lives have been made a living hell by the presence of terrorist training camps thriving in the area, ANI reported.

Comments made by residents of Muzaffarabad, Kotli, Chinari, Mirpur, Gilgit, Diamer and Neelum Valley, in PoK - who protested there today - have given the lie to Islamabad's pronouncements denying the existence of such camps and the Pakistani state's support for them.

"Banned organisations, terror camps are provided food and ration here, we condemn it," a local leader in Muzaffarabad, PoK, told ANI. Another local, from the Gilgit area, said that "if management doesn't end Taliban's terror camps and 'no-go' areas in Diamer, Gilgit, Baseen and others, then we'll take action."

Last week, India conducted surgical strikes on seven terrorist launch pads across the Line of Control (LoC) in PoK. Commandos killed at least 38 terrorists there. Pakistan has continued to deny any surgical strikes took place.

PoK residents also said "terrorism needs to be eliminated (as) giving shelter to terrorists won't solve the issue."

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Virupaksha » 06 Oct 2016 18:29

until the firing is only directed from PoK to India, these additional terrorists and terrorist training camps represent additional dhandha (changing demographics is another issue) to these guys. Once the firing is also on opposite side, the profits of such dhandha get outweighed by the potential losses.

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Postby Peregrine » 06 Oct 2016 18:41

Pakistani Senators want back-channel :wink: talks with India

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan must resume back-channel talks with India, Pakistani Senators have said.

This is one of the 22 recommendations finalized on Wednesday by the Senate Committee of the Whole House, set up to formulate policy guidelines for the government on ties with India, the Dawn reported on Thursday.

"Keeping in view the need, efficacy and usefulness of back-channel talks between India and Pakistan, the talks should be restored," said one of the recommendations approved by the committee during its in-camera meeting presided over by Senate Chairman Raza Rabbani.

"The bilateral and Kashmir-related confidence-building measures need to be restored and expanded," it added.

The Senators stressed the need for working "towards bringing about a climate in which Pakistan and India can implement politically difficult decisions to build mutual trust and confidence, leading towards an honourable and amicable settlement of Jammu and Kashmir as well as peace and stability and the welfare of the people".

The committee called for setting up an international fact-finding commission to investigate the terrorist attack on an army camp at Uri in Jammu and Kashmir and human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir.

The committee's recommendations come amid a serious deterioration in India-Pakistan ties after New Delhi blamed Pakistan for the September 18 Uri camp terror attack.

Besides calling for restoration of back-channel talks, the committee recommended that the two neighbours "should prompt a serious caution and restraint when faced with over-provocation".

The Senators also urged the government to oppose the "blatant interference" of India in various parts of Pakistan, especially in Balochistan, the Dawn reported.

The members expressed concern over growing military ties between the US and India, saying this was promoting Indian hegemony in the region and was set to spark a new Cold War in South Asia.
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Postby Primus » 06 Oct 2016 18:47

^^
Yawn! Wake me up when the stuck record moves forward please
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Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2016 19:03

Peregrine wrote:The members expressed concern over growing military ties between the US and India, saying this was promoting Indian hegemony in the region and was set to spark a new Cold War in South Asia.
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One covert attack will change NOTHING. But already Indians reading the media are fooled - thinking that Pakistan has changed. Pakis understand how psy ops works
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Postby James B » 06 Oct 2016 19:11

#BREAKING: PM house rejects news published by English journal regarding security meeting

https://twitter.com/CapitalTV_News/stat ... 5358290945

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Postby SSridhar » 06 Oct 2016 19:11

I will not go too far back into history.

Musharraf gave a speech on January 12, 2002 on Pakistani national television taking 'strong' action against the terrorist groups. He even 'banned' LeT, JeM, SSP et al. Then, he had a sleight-of-hand revolving-door policy and had forewarned these terror tanzeems so that they could withdraw their cash from their various bank-accounts before the State froze those accounts. Cleverly, Musharraf also said that the bans that he proclaimed did not apply to POK & FATA !! The terror groups promptly moved their HQs to these places ! Then, he gave promises to Colin Powell and Vajpayee about not letting terror groups use Pakistani territories against India. He even issued a joint statement to this effect with Man Mohan Singh. But, he was the one to formulate the famous 'good Taliban'/'bad Taliban' dichotomy which the Americans accepted because that allowed them at that time to continue the friendship with Musharraf while maintaining pressure on India.

Gilani & Zardari first accepted, then backtracked and finally diluted the cases against the 26/11 terrorists, masterminds and handlers. Rehman Malik assured an euphoric P.Chidambaram to send voice samples within two weeks. Pakistan said that if their judicial team conducted At Ufa, Nawaz agreed to talk on terrorism and then retracted. Zardari announced MFN status only to diluete it to NDMA (Non Discriminatory Market Access) and then abandon it altogether. Pakistan promised that if their judicial team examined 26/11 witnesses, doctors, judicial magistrate and policemen, the trial at their ATC would be wrapped up within weeks ! After Pathankot, a JIT was formed and they even visited the PAFB but went back on our team reciprocally visiting Pakistan. There are just too many perfidies to recall, starting from the one where they agreed to pay seigniorage charges for the waters of the Indus River system in c. 1948 and are yet to pay that.

The planted story of the political leaders demanding the ISI not to interfere if the law-enforcement agencies arrest terrorist leaders is another huge drama. Nobody in BRf can take it on face value. If BRfites fall for this duplicity, what can we say of our politicians and ordinary citizens?

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Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2016 19:17

I would be deeply disappointed in Modi if he restarts any talks because Pakis appear to have become suddenly amenable.

The army is in charge and they want to keep their heads low because they neither want war nor do they want to do a crackdown on terrorism

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Postby SSridhar » 06 Oct 2016 19:29

shiv wrote:I would be deeply disappointed in Modi if he restarts any talks because Pakis appear to have become suddenly amenable.

But, Modi is going to face enormous pressure. Already, pressure is building up internally for having conducted surgical strikes. From the public, there are very few dissenting voices, but the political parties are all ganging up. The demand to show proof of the strikes, which would imperil national safety, can only be termed as the demand to sell one's own mother. The shrill voices do not get drowned by the massive voice from the public because the latter have no outlet and whatever outlet is there is just ignored.

Such a disunity would encourage the 3½ friends to 'encourage' Modi to talk. India has been repeatedly done in by these gaddar politicians, editors and analysts. Modi has to also slay internal daemons mercilessly.

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Postby GShankar » 06 Oct 2016 19:41

SSridhar wrote:
shiv wrote:I would be deeply disappointed in Modi if he restarts any talks because Pakis appear to have become suddenly amenable.

But, Modi is going to face enormous pressure. Already, pressure is building up internally for having conducted surgical strikes. From the public, there are very few dissenting voices, but the political parties are all ganging up. The demand to show proof of the strikes, which would imperil national safety, can only be termed as the demand to sell one's own mother. The shrill voices do not get drowned by the massive voice from the public because the latter have no outlet and whatever outlet is there is just ignored.

Such a disunity would encourage the 3½ friends to 'encourage' Modi to talk. India has been repeatedly done in by these gaddar politicians, editors and analysts. Modi has to also slay internal daemons mercilessly.


Now is the time to revisit the checklist that was given to pakis after 26/11. Pakis should be asked to fulfill those before we even extend our left hand to shake paki hands.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 06 Oct 2016 19:42

We are likely to see some false forward movement in the 26/11 case. We may even see house arrest of Hafiz Saeed for extra drama

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby GShankar » 06 Oct 2016 19:57

Pakis can do what they want, but from what I am seeing, we are preparing for atleast '6 month' op. This seems to be our stick get the pakis to act on some of our longstanding demands. With every op (small or large) success, the public and their opinion will be on Modi's side.

We got nothing to loose by demanding pakis handover ha-piss, ma-sood, deadwood and the likes. The fact that no one is even talking about this yet tells me that our plans are bigger. I am thinking this is the beginning of the end to kashmir based cross border terrorism.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby LokeshC » 06 Oct 2016 20:18

While there maybe rational ppl in Bakistan, as a nation Balistan is irrational. They will respond irrationally, I see no other way.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Rudradev » 06 Oct 2016 20:19

shiv wrote:I would be deeply disappointed in Modi if he restarts any talks because Pakis appear to have become suddenly amenable.


I think we have to prepare ourselves to be disappointed in him on this count... at least temporarily and in terms of what will be publicly perceptible.

The Indian Army's 6-month-plan to thoroughly smash the terrorist infrastructure in J&K is something the Pakistanis dread; they are simply not prepared to do anything about it. They cannot escalate conventionally, or they would get slaughtered. They cannot retaliate by ramping up subconventional attacks without facing diminishing returns across many fronts, and possibly blowback as well. The nuclear sabre-rattling they were accustomed to doing has been revealed for a damp squib. Their best option now is to play Taqqiya for all it's worth... because they see that the mood in India is such that any act of further provocation or defiance will only strengthen Modi politically at home, and Modi is the one Indian leader so far who has shown himself capable of permanently solving the Pakistan problem. The Pakis would rather lie low than hand Modi further political points amongst the Indian electorate.

However, solving Pakistan is a full-time job for any Indian leader. Modi's priority is to enhance governance and set India on a stable, rapid path towards realizing her full economic potential. If the Pakis do Taqqiya (I am sure they will) then our Internal Paki brigade will accuse Modi of warmongering to distract the nation from his "economic failures", "intolerance", "dalit suffering" etc. In an atmosphere where no further overt provocations are coming from Pakistan, this line pushed by the Internal Pakis will eventually gain traction, posing an impediment to Modi's advancement of the Indian governance and economic agenda. So my guess is Modi will probably make the right noises to "welcome" Pakistan's claim of new-found willingness to introspect and curb terrorism. This will invariably cause much groaning and heartburn for us at BRF, and across other nationalistic quarters.

However, I don't think he will be a Vajpayee by any means. Hopefully he will delegate the quiet deconstruction of Pakistan to someone like Ajit Doval while he himself makes public statements hoping for "peace in Sooth Asia". And will not hesitate to give public jhaapads, again, when Pakistan backslides on its commitments. I think that is the best we can hope for, at present. A serious, sustained effort to destroy Pakistan will only come in Modi's second (or third) term as PM, if he has one.


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