Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby svinayak » 23 Oct 2016 22:07

anupmisra wrote:A Brand Called Bakistan
...they neglect the fact that our overseas missions are no match for India’s soft power


Indian music, movies, food and fashions are now an integral part of many Western cities. Restaurants owned by Pakistanis are often labelled ‘Indian’



What is the need to refer to western cities? Why the concern of Indian presence in Western cities?

This needs to be understood. The original western conspiracy was to isolate India during the cold war by removing Indian presence in the west, isolate Indians, stop Indian immigration. From 1960,1970s,1980s the Pakistani was part of the plan and Pakistan was encouraged and welcomed in the official circles. Pak took this as a signal to reject Indian culture and Indian connection in the west and also at home in Pakistan. The common antipathy to Indian culture from the west and Pakistan was a bond which was used to put Indians down. Support to Pak is at the govt level

Pakis were dabbling with Indian culture in the west by pretending and penetrating.
Pakis paid money to media to get negative image of India in the west. Anti India leftist opposition supported in the western cities was also secretly supported by Pak


To complain that "foreign Muslim radicals come to our shores for training and brainwashing" is trying to pin the blame on the foreign muslims. The part that Hussain conveniently ignores is that foreign muslims come to pakistan for training because that's where institutionalized procedures and experienced trainers happen to be. Brainwashing...that's a cultural DNA issue and another topic for another time.

Uncle as part of the Afghan war had allowed all kinds of fighters inside Pak from 1980.
No visa entry to Af-Pak created a global jihad culture and small arms market for the last several decades.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby JE Menon » 23 Oct 2016 22:56

>>>...From 1960,1970s,1980s the Pakistani was part of the plan and Pakistan was encouraged and welcomed in the official circles. Pak took this as a signal to reject Indian culture and Indian connection in the west and also at home in Pakistan. The common antipathy to Indian culture from the west and Pakistan was a bond which was used to put Indians down.

A critically important insight in my view.

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Postby yensoy » 23 Oct 2016 23:03

Peregrine wrote:Well the USA is now "thinking" of "some action". I for one would rather let the Great USA "stew in its own created Sh*t". IMO they have to take action and so let us wait patiently. At least now they have issued a warning - for whatever little it is worth.
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Are real "warnings" issued from college campuses? Despite the high profile of SAIS, it's still a university. I think this is basically the information privy to the reporter so it becomes "news". Otherwise I don't think anything has changed.

Now if they actually give up Haqqanis etc and get a couple of solas in return -- is that not a good thing for us? Such a move will be mighty unpopular in the viper pit, and just that fact alone will shake things up a bit. It may actually be a positive outcome for us.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby yensoy » 23 Oct 2016 23:09

Prem wrote:Pakistan Becoming Holiest Land

The coming drought

Pakistan’s agricultural sector, which contributes 21.8 percent of its GDP and 40 percent of labour force, needs an additional arable land of 0.5 million hectares every year to produce the requisite quantity of food to feed a population that is growing at a rate of 2.1 percent per year.


Pakis should be happy they are becoming more Arabized as the desert moves forward.

BTW, rarely does a Paki ask (PhD or otherwise) whether their population growth is sustainable. 2.1%/year means roughly doubling of population every 35 years which is one generation - i.e. folks are still having 4+ kids on average.

This isn't going to end well. Unfortunately those in power (the fair & lovely Pakjabis) will never face starvation or malnutrition.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Prem » 23 Oct 2016 23:54

yensoy wrote:
Prem wrote:Pakistan Becoming Holiest Land

The coming drought
Pakis should be happy they are becoming more Arabized as the desert moves forward.BTW, rarely does a Paki ask (PhD or otherwise) whether their population growth is sustainable. 2.1%/year means roughly doubling of population every 35 years which is one generation - i.e. folks are still having 4+ kids on average.This isn't going to end well. Unfortunately those in power (the fair & lovely Pakjabis) will never face starvation or malnutrition.


Paki growth rate is at last 50% above the official reported growth rate among Pakipashu-Abd-Han.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Prem » 24 Oct 2016 00:22

Seaching New Fourfathers in Wrong Dirction: Look Dowanward With Mircroscope

Pakistan’s largest telescope brings outer space down to Earth

Few residents of the twin cities of Rawalpindi and Islamabad likely know that the country’s largest telescope – capable of observing the solar system, the Milky Way and neighbouring galaxies – is housed in the capital, just 17 kilometres from Zero Point on the Islamabad Expressway.The telescope observatory is on the roof of the Institute of Space Technology building, in an unassuming area that is an unlikely home to Pakistani scientists and students researching outer space. Although open to students and researchers, anyone with an interest in space can visit the observatory with permission.Through the telescope, one can see Venus, Jupiter, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Neptune and Uranus, and the best time to observe the galaxy is at night in an unpolluted environment. Vision is particularly clear after rainfall, when dust has been washed away from the horizon.In May this year, when Mars neared Earth, Pakistani researchers used the telescope to capture the planet’s movement, which appeared like a dot in front of the sun.
Dr Khan said several research projects, including observing new extra solar planets, binary stars and gas clouds that give birth to stars and galaxies, are underway in collaboration with international partners.“Apart from using telescopes, we used the Oak Ridge supercomputer – which is the second fastest supercomputer in the world – to model sophisticated processes involved in the mergers of black holes and galaxies,” he said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby sanjaykumar » 24 Oct 2016 01:22

This is an 18 incher? They can hire my 6 inch Schmidt-Cassegrain to research black hole mergers if they want. :rotfl:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Prem » 24 Oct 2016 01:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaGgfDI ... ture=share
Dr. Subramanian Swamy at IndoPak 2016

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Postby svinayak » 24 Oct 2016 02:34

JE Menon wrote:>>>...From 1960,1970s,1980s the Pakistani was part of the plan and Pakistan was encouraged and welcomed in the official circles. Pak took this as a signal to reject Indian culture and Indian connection in the west and also at home in Pakistan. The common antipathy to Indian culture from the west and Pakistan was a bond which was used to put Indians down.

A critically important insight in my view.


There are lot of documentation on this
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/CIAcultCW.pdf

https://transatlantica.revues.org/7373?lang=en

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Rohit_K » 24 Oct 2016 05:35

Didn't see this being posted last week:

Teenager killed in blast outside Imambargah in Karachi, 15 others injured
https://www.geo.tv/latest/118088-One-ki ... rgah-blast

KARACHI: A 13-year-old identified as Faraz was killed while 18 including women and children were injured in a hand grenade blast outside the Dar-e-Abbas Imambargah located in the Liaqatabad area of the city, police said on Monday. The Bomb Disposal Squad prepared an initial report on the blast. According to sources, the report said that a cracker bomb was used in the imambargah attack. The initial report stated that 600-700 grams of ball bearings and explosives were used in the explosion, sources said.

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Postby Rohit_K » 24 Oct 2016 05:35

Rangers personnel allegedly killed by colleague in Karachi
https://www.geo.tv/latest/118540-Ranger ... ow-Rangers

KARACHI: A Rangers personnel was allegedly shot to death in a personal dispute with another Rangers man near Gulshan-e-Iqbal K.D.A. Scheme on Sunday, sources revealed to Geo News. The victim, identified as Mashooq Ali, was brought to Jinnah Hospital at 6:35 am. He had been shot with three bullets in the chest, sources said.

A Rangers personnel named Ali Murtaza was arrested by police for allegedly opening fire on Mashooq Ali. A case for murder has been registered against him at Shahrah-e-Faisal police station.


Two Pakistan coast guard killed in Pakistan's key CPEC port district
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakis ... SKCN12N0SX

Two Pakistan Coast Guard officers were gunned down in the southwestern province of Balochistan on Sunday in a district that is key to a Chinese-funded transport and energy project opposed by separatist militants, police said.

No one had claimed responsibility for the attack in the port district of Gwadar by late Sunday night. Police official Chakar Khan Baloch said the attack was in the seaside town of Jiwani near the Iranian border. "Two people on a motorcycle targeted Pakistan Coast Gard personnel when they were patrolling in the bazaar of the coastal town," Baloch said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Prem » 24 Oct 2016 05:51

Poak-soft-power
Sindh govt to act against notification to ban dance in schools

arlier in October, one of the three Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) lawmakers in the 168-strong Sindh Assembly, Khurrum Sher Zaman, allegedly objected to the inclusion of dance classes in some private schools and wrote to the provincial education minister to take “appropriate action.”
“I feel strongly that dance classes should not be held in schools, as Pakistan is an Islamic republic and [dance] is against Islamic principles and teachings,” the lawmaker allegedly wrote. “I kindly request that you look into this matter and take appropriate action in accordance with Islamic principles and injunctions that are protected and advocated in our constitution.”The CM, however, said that the concerned minister "has categorically denied endorsing such a ban and notice is being taken regarding the statement falsely attributed to him.""It will not be dictated by isolated extremist elements and will not allow its progressive agenda to be hijacked at any cost. Dance and music are integral parts of a liberal society and we continue our support to such activities," the CM said.“From Rumi to Shah Latif and beyond, we find everyone dances and their authority is unquestionable. I have found no reference in any sacred and religious textbook which goes against dance,” said Kermani, while speaking to Dawn.She said the problem was that schools were not teaching dance to children.“Tell me which school has included dance in its curriculum. I don’t know about any. In fact, we want schools to teach dance to their children which they are not doing. Classical dance defines humanity; it is vulgar dance that should be banned.”Ms Kermani said she and her colleagues were planning a campaign to convince schools to make dance a part of their curriculum.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby RCase » 24 Oct 2016 06:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9trLi0XzU4



@25:00 to 29:00 Omar Abdullah takes off on a RAPEtte cooing about PoK ('Azad Kashmir') and how pissful things are there.

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Postby Prem » 24 Oct 2016 07:29

RCase wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9trLi0XzU4
@25:00 to 29:00 Omar Abdullah takes off on a RAPEtte cooing about PoK ('Azad Kashmir') and how pissful things are there.


Shot in the arm for Modi government as OIC paper says no to Kashmir
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

NEW DELHI: The Tashkent Declaration of Organisation of the Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Foreign Ministers’ meet (Oct 18-19) has no mention of the Kashmir issue even as it touches upon situations in North Africa, West Asia and Afghanistan, a development that could be a shot in the arm for the Modi government even as it tries to build a global narrative on Pakistansponsored terror. This OIC Declaration is significant compared to the last four where Jammu & Kashmir had found mention, and therefore signals a shift in stance. The Declaration of the recently concluded meet, in fact, encourages narratives by the body to counter radicals and extremists globally. In what’s being viewed as a significant move, the declaration of the two-day meet has no reference on Kashmir even as Pakistan highlighted the “situation in J&K” on the occasion. The declaration, however, refers to the rights of Palestinians as well as the situation in Afghanistan. “We reiterate our full support for Palestine and Al-Quds Al-Shareef, the legitimate and inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, including the right to self-determination and return to their ancestral places of residence,” reads the declaration. With reference to violence in North Africa and West Asia, the OIC further noted, “We underline the need for earliest stabilisation of the situation in the Middle East and North Africa and other parts of the continent by way of urgent po ..
The OIC came down heavily on terrorism. “We reiterate that the struggle against terrorism and violent extremism in all forms and their manifestations…We are convinced that these dangerous phenomena can be defeated and eliminated only through a joint action, elaborating the measures of influence both to the symptoms and the roots of these problems. We appreciate the launch of an OIC Messaging Centre to counter the sham narratives of radical and extremist groups. We are continuing to advocate for for further close cooperation in the fight against terrorism, spread of extremist ideology, especially among youth.” It may be recalled that since July, India has reached out to key OIC states individually through visits by Vice-President, senior MEA officials and India’s diplomatic missions in the respective countries. Certain OIC member states have even supported India’s stand on Kashmir and Pakistan on an individual basis. ET had reported that Indonesia, home to world’s largest Muslim population, has reservations on the strongly-worded condemnation against India on the Kashmir issue. Key OIC member UAE supported a strong response by India post Uri and members --Bangladesh and Afghanistan supported cross LoC surgical strikes.

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Postby Bart S » 24 Oct 2016 08:18

ManSingh wrote:
arun wrote:Singer from the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan by name of Shafqat Amanat Ali and son of one Ustad Amanat Ali Khan, writes Amaan Ki Asha type article in the Indian Express.



Author seems to share the majority view of citizens of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan that India is limited to a slice that covers Punjab and the Ganga-Jumna belt which is assumed to be culturally Mohammaddenised and thus believes that Indian’s are cognizant about Punjabi and Urdu speaking Poets, Writers ,Musician’s and Mohammadden Clerics.

I am neither a Punjabi or Urdu speaker and indeed come from a State in India that has a local language not spoken in the Islamic Republic and further my home State is surrounded by other States of India who likewise have local languages not spoken in the Islamic Republic. Not being knowledgeable in the first place of the works of the names listed due to language barrier and very much more inclined to devote scarce time to learning the multiple languages of the States surrounding my home State to more fully appreciate India’s diversity, I have no problem in saying that I will give up on Baba Farid et al.

Another point that struck me is that there is not one single Non-Mohammadden in the list of names posted above. In the Islamic Republic, Non Mohammaddens seem to have been purged from the national consciousness as historical icons and are also so marginalised in the current dispensation that they are simply not enough of them around to become icons.


All the above are invoked only to score brownie points in an argument with Indians. If anyone of them were alive in today's p**kistan, they would be wajib-ul... for denigrating islam.

Many of their works are a part of sikh religion. This is how they are kept alive ( not because of paki love for their poetry ). In fact, their shrines are regularly destroyed( you know how ).. http://www.weeklystandard.com/attacks-on-sufis-continue-in-pakistan/article/515262

For a counter punch to the above article....

1) How many places of importance in their country are named after any of the above?

2) Is it ok to rename allama iqbal airport to Bulleh Shah airport or gadaffi stadium to baba farid stadium? ( Hint: No, it is even tougher for them compared to naming that roundabout after bhagat singh. No paki would have the mojo to even think about it )



Another oft-overlooked problem with this equal-equal narrative is the assertion that politicians/military/elite of both countries are the problem as they are the ones spreading hate and war mongering.

That couldn't be more wrong.

Indian leadership has always been sane, peace-loving and normal by most international standards, and if anything has tilted in favour of being peaceniks. Apart from the obvious peace-activism and outreaches to Pakistan by RG, IKG and ABV, even the PMs considered more hawkish such as IG and PVNR have never gone out of their way to be aggressive in an unprovoked manner towards Pakistan, and dealt with grave provocation such as the Punjab and Kashmir militancy by fighting internally rather than open war or retaliation.

The military has always played its role in a responsible manner and has acted with great restraint and steely grit in the face of not just Pakistani aggression but also our own political leadership's indecisiveness and apprehension.

Indian elites, if anything have been peaceniks to the point of being delusional and anti-national.

None of this is even remotely comparable with their counterparts in Pakistan.

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Postby shiv » 24 Oct 2016 08:36

Bart S wrote:

Another oft-overlooked problem with this equal-equal narrative is the assertion that politicians/military/elite of both countries are the problem as they are the ones spreading hate and war mongering.

One of the less well recognized and more insidious threats we face is that the Lutyens elite believe this. They believe that the Indian army could take over. The rest of India trust the forces - but the Lutyens crowd are half-Pakistani.

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Postby RCase » 24 Oct 2016 09:23

Non-Muslims Are Forced To Learn Islamic Education In Pakistan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixd3hmp9taM

Nothing new... how the young are brainwashed from a very early age with Islamic education.

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Postby g.sarkar » 24 Oct 2016 11:13

[quote=] Second Border Security Force Soldier Killed In Pak Firing In 24 Hours
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bsf-soldier-injured-in-pak-firing-in-jammus-rs-pura-dies-1478150
A Border Security Force (BSF) soldier was killed and another injured in heavy Pak shelling and firing along International Border in Jammu's RS Pura sector.
The injured soldiers were evacuated to a hospital in Jammu where one of them died late last night.
Pakistani Rangers violated ceasefire twice on Sunday in the RS Pura sector. Security personnel gave a "suitable reply", a BSF spokesperson said.
Pakistani troops targeted 13 border outposts and villages in RS Pura, Pargwal and Kanachak, using mortar shells and firing small arms......
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Postby yensoy » 24 Oct 2016 11:23

RCase wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9trLi0XzU4
@25:00 to 29:00 Omar Abdullah takes off on a RAPEtte cooing about PoK ('Azad Kashmir') and how pissful things are there.


As they say "he tore them a new one". This is a must-watch.

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Postby g.sarkar » 24 Oct 2016 11:31

[url=http://http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/24/world/asia/tough-stand-by-indias-modi-on-militants-raises-risks-with-pakistan.[/url]
Tough Stand by India’s Modi on Militants Raises Risks With Pakistan
NEW DELHI — As an opposition leader, Narendra Modi was a vocal critic of India’s government for not responding more forcefully to cross-border attacks from militants based in Pakistan. As prime minister, Mr. Modi has not shied away from openly retaliating in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir against the militants — and stirring up nationalist passions.
Now, with his tough stance, there are growing concerns that Mr. Modi may have narrowed his options, raising the risks of war with India’s nuclear-armed rival, Pakistan.
Experts are worrying about what India will do when Pakistan-based militants carry out another attack in India, as is almost certain. And how will Pakistan respond?
“We’re not at the point of no return, but we are in very dangerous waters,” said Bruce Riedel, a fellow at the Brookings Institution who served in the Central Intelligence Agency, where he advised several American presidents on South Asia.
“When we get to the next terror attack, which is probably only a matter of time, the prime minister has boxed himself in, and he can’t take the route his predecessors did and choose to use solely diplomatic alternatives without some loss of face,” Mr. Riedel said.
After Pakistan-based militants attacked an army base in Kashmir in September, Mr. Modi publicly declared retaliatory strikes in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, the disputed Himalayan region. Previous governments had made similar forays but only in covert operations.
Mr. Modi followed the strikes with a campaign to isolate Pakistan diplomatically — he denounced the country as “a mother ship of terrorism” at a summit meeting last week — and they have unleashed a nationalist fury within India that may be hard to contain....
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Prem wrote:Shot in the arm for Modi government as OIC paper says no to Kashmir
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst



Firstly, a positive development. Our Government must keep the Mohammadden majority countries that are members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) under no illusion that India expects them to ensure that there is no interference in India’s internal affairs even under the pretext that it involves adherents of Mohammaddenism and pleas that OIC statements do not represent the true stand of the individual country will not be accepted by India as anything but shariah compliant taqiyyah style deceptive dissimulation.

Secondly, I recollect seeing nothing about the OIC Tashkent declaration having no mention of Jammu & Kashmir in the press of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan despite the declaration being adopted on October 19, ie: 5 days back.

Was this non-inclusion of J&K in the OIC’s Tashkent Declaration a matter of much hand wringing in the Islamic Republics media or have the Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan successfully thrown a burka over this debacle suffered by the Islamic Republic at the OIC :?:

For good order the web link for the full text of Tashkent Declaration of the Forty-Second Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation:

THE TASHKENT DECLARATION OF THE 43RD SESSION OF THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN MINISTERS OF THE ORGANIZATION OF ISLAMIC COOPERATION

The above is unlike the case of the Forty-Second Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation held on 27-28 May 2015 in Kuwait in which Jammu & Kashmir figured:

Kuwait Declaration : Forty-Second Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation

And had this to say:

We reiterate our solidarity with Mali, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Cote d’Ivoire, Union of the Comoros, Djibouti, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the People of Jammu and Kashmir, the Turkish Cypriots and the People of Kosovo, and their aspirations to live in peace, security and prosperity.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Philip » 24 Oct 2016 12:10

Pakistan's "death wish"!
This will be to hyper-paranoid Israel,surrounded by a galaxy of hostile Arab/Muslin entities,a most provocative and dangerous threat.WEe know how Saddam,Assad and Iran, suffered for their nuclear ambitions.Osirak,etc.immediately come to mind. However,Pakistan which enjoys huge support from the rogue state China,is a very different proposition to castrate militarily,as geographically it is just outside Israel's range of its air force,which would require in-flight refuelling,etc,and requires another "final solution".The news that Israel is on the verge of signing another deal with Germany for another 3 subs which can carry N-tipped LRCMs, indicates the direction of Israel's second strike capability.

Who should also be very alarmed is the US,guarantor of Israel's security and one is sure that these latest threats from a rabid,nuclear, pigsty,must be taken with the utmost seriousness. It is past time that the US decided to either impose the most severe military and economic sanctions upon Pak ,with the further threats of a maritime blockade and military strikes to exterminate Pak's N-capability unless it unilaterally climbs down,freeze and reduce its N-stockpile and end cross-border terror.

The threats to israel by Pak is a new way to reinvent itself as the guardian of Muslims,enemy of Jews,after the world has given it cant attention to the Kashmir issue.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/We-ca ... :_Pakistan

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We can destroy Israel in ‘less than 12 minutes’ :: The Pakistani Joint Chiefs of Staff :rotfl:
Saturday, October 22, 2016
By: AWD News

The Pakistani Joint Chiefs of Staff has claimed that the Republic Islamic of Pakistan is capable of destroying the 'Jewish nation' in less than 12 minutes, the latest of a long series of threats against what it deems as the “Zionist regime.”

“If Israel tries to invade our sacred sites in Palestine, we will raze the Zionist regime in less than 12 minutes,” said Zubair Mahmood Hayat , The Pakistani Joint Chiefs .

In 1947, Israel’s founder, David Ben Gurion sent a telegram to Muhammad Ali Jinnah in an attempt to establish diplomatic relations with Pakistan. The telegram was initially ignored and to date, Pakistan still refuses to recognise Israel as a state.

Ben Gurion was allegedly quoted in The Jewish Chronicle in 1967 on his view of Pakistan:

The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological state is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs. This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan.

Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work from against Pakistan. It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.

This famous quote has never been verified and many Israeli academics dispute its authenticity. However, it is a well-known fact that Israel is not favoured by Pakistan. If you don’t believe me, just take a look at the recent blog published on The Express Tribune about Israel.

Over the years, I have heard many arguments regarding the Palestine-Israel conflict. From holding Hamas and Fatah accountable for internal bickering between the West Bank and Gaza Strip, to blaming all Arabs for being arrogant towards south-east Asians as a whole – therefore the Palestinians deserve the unrest and the injustice. And above all the arguments is the one that takes the lead; Jews have the biblical right to a land that was promised to them by God.

To explain these reasons to a Palestinian living off UN handouts in a refugee camp in Lebanon or Jordan would be an insult and borderline insensitive. Imagine having your culture and livelihood taken from you and being expelled from your land. Or, to be degraded daily by the Israel Defence Force in checkpoints strewn across the occupied West Bank and have your child shot by Israeli extremist settlers in Nablus.

Then comes the question, ‘Would it be in Pakistan’s interest to recognise Israel, like countries who already have such as Egypt and Jordan?’
If not for economic stability, then maybe to increase its list of allies?
I would have to say no.

Not because of the Muslims versus Jews debate, or the ties many people have to the third most holiest site in Islam, Al-Aqsa Mosque, but based more on a human level.

I must also emphasise that I’m not anti-semetic and I don’t agree that Jews are our enemies either. Zionism and Judaism are two very different concepts. To simplify things, all monotheistic beliefs are from the same maker which renders the fight over religion pointless; hate will only brew more hate.

This is a fight for human rights who everyone has the right to defend.

Pakistan itself has a tainted slate when it comes to human rights. But it wouldn’t get any closer to making amends by forming an alliance with Israel either. And as for improving Pakistan’s image externally, well maybe we should focus on procuring a change from within first and then worry about what image others have of us.

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Postby LokeshC » 24 Oct 2016 12:32

Baikul wrote:
ranjan.rao wrote:He was given fruits to eat, ..thats why fruitful...to save their echandee


Or maybe they put a banana in an appropriate place. Hence fruit full.


Well.... since this is a Baki, let your imagination run wild. Why a Banana? Why not a jackfruit?

/couldnotresist

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Postby amit » 24 Oct 2016 12:43

RCase wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9trLi0XzU4



@25:00 to 29:00 Omar Abdullah takes off on a RAPEtte cooing about PoK ('Azad Kashmir') and how pissful things are there.


I think more important point is made by Omar from around 19 mins to 23 mins. He explains the plebiscite conundrum to another RAPEtte very succenitly. One thing about this guy and his dad. They may talk nonsense in front of the domestic audience, but in the international fora they portray the Indian line.

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Postby Philip » 24 Oct 2016 12:52

Pak's misuse of Lanka to spread terror into India,radicalise Lankan Muslims and find recruits for ISIS

http://defencenews.in/article/Pakistan- ... orld-18878
Pakistan concerned :: ISI terror activity in Sri Lanka may be exposed to the World
Sunday, October 23, 2016
By: The Financial Express

A report from Sri Lanka has exposed Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence’s (ISI’s) use of the island nation for promoting its terror activities worldwide, and alarm bells are ringing within the Pakistan establishment, as they see this as the end of an importation operations hub. According to Ceylon Today, a Sri Lankan Daily newspaper the ISI has used the Lashkar-e-Taiba and its charitable wing, the Idara Khidmat-e-Khalq (IKK), as proxies to radicalise Sri Lankan Muslims.

In 2004, when the tsunami struck parts of Sri Lanka, the Let-IKK contingent visited Sri Lanka and Maldives under the cover of a humanitarian charitable effort to look for Jihadi recruits. The report reveals that many youth from these areas headed to Pakistan and were found in LeT training camps in Pakistan’s Punjab province and in the tribal areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Using Sri Lanka as a staging post, the ISI’s primary and apparent objective is to encircle India from all sides. It wanted to use the island nation to access south India, both in terms of finding terror networks as well as for recruitment of cadres.

The Sri Lankan media report also reveals that in June 2009, the activities of Maulana Umar Madani were uncovered. Prior to his arrest in India, Madani was a frequent traveler to Sri Lanka. Madani, a close confidant of JuD Chief Hafiz Saeed and Abdul Rahman Makki, was developing a network in eastern Sri Lanka’s Muslim areas. It has also been exposed that the ISI used Colombo as a transit point for terror funding for smuggling fake Indian currency notes.

Further, a recent report in the Colombo Gazette has highlighted continued attempts of groups like Al Qaeda, to recruit cadres from Sri Lanka, for the jihad in Syria. Such activities have also led to greater cooperation between intelligence agencies of the world’s major powers.

After intelligence sharing between India, Sri Lanka and China a Pakistan national, Faiz Muhammad, was arrested recently in Guangzhou, China, with fake Indian currency notes of Rs. 2.5 million from Pakistan, according to the Colombo based report.
Faiz’s arrest was the result of a tip-off by Indian intelligence agencies to their counterparts in Colombo and Beijing.

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Postby Falijee » 24 Oct 2016 16:34

Two Pakistan coast guard killed in Pakistan's key CPEC port district
Sun Oct 23, 2016 | 10:48pm IST


By Gul Yusufzai | QUETTA, Pakistan

Two Pakistan Coast Guard officers were gunned down in the southwestern province of Balochistan on Sunday in a district that is key to a Chinese-funded transport and energy project opposed by separatist militants, police said.No one had claimed responsibility for the attack in the port district of Gwadar by late Sunday night.Police official Chakar Khan Baloch said the attack was in the seaside town of Jiwani near the Iranian border.
"Two people on a motorcycle targeted Pakistan Coast Gard personnel when they were patrolling in the bazaar of the coastal town," Baloch said.
Two civilians were wounded and hospitalised, he added.
Baloch said the two men were working the intelligence unit of the coast guard in Jiwani, about 80 km (50 miles) west of the Gwadar deepwater port.
It was not clear whether the attack was connected to the port or the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC)project, a network of roads, railways and energy pipelines aiming to connect western Chinese cities to the sea port in Gwadar.


More funds now needed for the Paki fauj !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby SSridhar » 24 Oct 2016 17:22

Prem wrote:Shot in the arm for Modi government as OIC paper says no to Kashmir
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst


More curiously, it says:

We welcome signing of memoranda on obligations of India and Pakistan with the purpose of seeking the status of a SCO member-state at the summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) on June 24, 2016 in Tashkent, which means the beginning of the process of joining of these countries the ranks of full members of the SCO, and express hope that this process will contribute to strengthening confidence between Pakistan and India, maintaining a constructive dialogue and effective multifaceted cooperation, ensuring security and stability in the regions of South and Central Asia.


It is strange for the OIC to mention a non-Muslim country like India in its declaration, except in a condemnatory manner.

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Postby Falijee » 24 Oct 2016 20:55

Police seek 6,800 rubber bullets For PTI Seige Of Islamabad !
RAWALPINDI: The local police have intimated to the provincial authorities that they would require 6,800 rubber bullets, 300 shipping containers and 10,000 tear gas shells ( and 100's portable toilets !) during the PTI’s planned siege of Islamabad on Nov 2.

However, he said arranging 300 containers would be difficult in a short span of time.


IMO, the Paki Fauj is the only entity in Pakiland that may be able to "supply" these "demands" on such a short notice !
Ultimately some sort of "compromise " will be worked out at the "last minute" to satisfy the " Echnedee" of all parties involved !
Immy is hell bent on assuming power - by hook or by crook ! ( And he styles himself as a "democrat " !)

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Postby yensoy » 24 Oct 2016 22:19

Falijee wrote:Police seek 6,800 rubber bullets For PTI Seige Of Islamabad !
RAWALPINDI: The local police have intimated to the provincial authorities that they would require 6,800 rubber bullets, 300 shipping containers and 10,000 tear gas shells ( and 100's portable toilets !) during the PTI’s planned siege of Islamabad on Nov 2.

However, he said arranging 300 containers would be difficult in a short span of time.



This reminds me of the story of the guy who every morning cycled across the border from Germany to France, and then in the evening cycled back from France to Germany, for many many years. Customs officials (back then when they still existed) knew he was up to something but could never figure it out because all he carried in his bag was a sandwich and an apple in the morning, and in the evening the bag was empty. After 30 years he came by one day saying that he was retiring. The curious officials asked him - we know you were up to something, what were you smuggling? He replied "bicycles", "French bicycles to Germany and German bicycles to France".

So that's the story of CPEC. They will use it ship shipping containers from China. Just plain empty containers, as and when they are needed across pakiland.

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Postby g.sarkar » 24 Oct 2016 23:36

Straight from horse's mouth.. err pigs mouth:
[url=http://www.firstpost.com/world/pakistan-today-stands-integrated-with-the-world-says-pak-army-chief-raheel-sharif-3068214.html[/url]
Pakistan today stands integrated with the world, says Pak Army chief Raheel Sharif
Lahore: Amid India's campaign to diplomatically isolate Pakistan globally on all fronts, Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif on Sunday said Pakistan now "stands integrated" with the rest of the world than ever before.
"Today Pakistan is more stronger than ever before. Pakistan stands integrated with the rest of the world than ever before," Raheel said, addressing the concluding ceremony of the First International PACES Competition-2016 in Lahore.
The armies of 18 countries including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Maldives, Qatar, Australia, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Russia, Turkey and the United Kingdom participated in the first six-day World Physical Agility and Combat Efficiency System (PACES) event held in Lahore.
Following the Uri terror attack in Kashmir, India has stepped up its efforts to isolate Pakistan globally on all fronts.
The army chief further said that Zarb-e-Azb Operation against militants has brought "stability and prosperity" to Pakistan.
"Operation Zarb-e-Azb is an example of war for peace which is bringing stability and prosperity to Pakistan and the region. Today, our brave men can tell the world with pride that by eliminating terrorist networks from the far reaches of Pak-Afghan border, an environment of peace and prosperity is flourishing. Having overcome the heartless enemy, we are set to march forward on the road to progress," he said.
Raheel further said: "Physical Agility and Combat Efficiency System of Pakistan army has proven its effectiveness during the recent fight against terrorism. Our troops confronted insurmountable challenges that called for extreme endurance and constant vigilance.".....

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Postby Peregrine » 25 Oct 2016 00:14

DPC: why are banned orgs allowed to hold a rally?
The brazen openness with which the Difa-e-Pakistan Council (DPC) has announced that it would hold countrywide protests for the Kashmir issue, starting from a conference on October 28 is an ominous reminder of the power that hardline religious right still exercises in Pakistan. Composed of far-right religious groups and even banned militant organisations, the DPC is not very different from militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Area (FATA) that Pakistan army fought in the military operation Zarb-e-Azb. If not open antipathy to the democratic structure of Pakistan these groups express an ambivalent distaste for it. Moreover, their ability to gather large crowds on the streets coupled with their use of religious slogans to justify their demands has given them great power to do what very few in Pakistan can: force government to capitulate.
Hence, the rally of the DPC is part of a much bigger problem in which extremism has appropriated a great deal of space for itself, and, ostensibly, left government relatively helpless. Moreover, in addition to its devastating effects on the domestic politics of Pakistan, such a state of affairs has to a great extent compromised Pakistan’s position on the international stage. The DPC consists of groups that have been blacklisted by the United Nations, and hence the ease with which they can organise in Pakistan raises serious questions over Pakistan’s policy of clamping down on them. More importantly, if Pakistan wants to use the forum of the United Nations to highlight and resolve the Kashmir dispute in the light of the UN Resolutions, how can it do so without taking action against individuals and groups that have been banned by the UN?
Perceived as a country that has used militant groups for strategic gains in the past, Pakistan is in urgent need of showing the world that it is against all forms of terrorism. If the DPC successfully holds its rally, it would both provide fuel to Indian propaganda of internationally ‘isolating’ Pakistan, and weaken Pakistan’s stance on the Kashmir dispute. The last thing Kashmiris need is for militant groups to hold a rally in its favour, delegitimising their legitimate struggle for freedom and rights and providing Indian state further pretence to beef its apparatus of suppression and oppression. For its own sake and for the sake of Kashmiris, Pakistan has to ensure that such an outcome does not materialise.
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Postby Prem » 25 Oct 2016 00:20

Dunya News ‏@DunyaNews 3s4 seconds ago
Breaking: Reports of more than 200 cadets held hostage by terrorists in police academy college in Quetta

http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/358174- ... ty-in-Quet

QUETTA (Dunya News) – Four terrorists have reportedly entered police training centre on Sariab Road on Monday night and held over 200 cadets hostage.Sources privy to Balochistan Police have reported that contingents of Frontier Corps (FC) and Anti-Terrorism Force (ATF) have circled the facility while exchange of fire is continuing.Over 700 cadets train at the facility while 200 of them have been taken hostage. Three personnel are reportedly injured in the combat.Quetta, capital of country’s largest province has been on the hit list of outlawed outfits among different cities of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province and other parts of country for years.

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Postby Falijee » 25 Oct 2016 01:09

The Express Tribune
UAE court sentences Pakistani national to 10 years over ‘financing IS, al Qaeda’

ABU DHABI:
An Emirati court jailed on Monday a Pakistani man for 10 years for “financing the terrorist organisations Da’ish [Islamic State] and al Qaeda”, Gulf News reported.
Authorities in the Gulf state have enacted anti-terror legislation, including the death penalty and harsher jail terms for crimes linked to religious hatred and extremist groups.


So Modiji's diplomacy of isolating (and naming and shaming Pakistan ) the terror sponsoring entity is starting to bear fruit :D

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Postby Skanda » 25 Oct 2016 02:15

Tough Stand by India’s Modi on Militants Raises Risks With Pakistan
As an opposition leader, Narendra Modi was a vocal critic of India’s government for not responding more forcefully to cross-border attacks from militants based in Pakistan. As prime minister, Mr. Modi has not shied away from openly retaliating in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir against the militants — and stirring up nationalist passions. ([color=#0000FF]Why doesnt the author state in as many words how Modi is stirring up nationalist passions? He has only obliquely talked about the strikes and every BJP spokesperson goes out of the way to say, "lets keep politics out of it".[/color])

Now, with his tough stance, there are growing concerns that Mr. Modi may have narrowed his options, raising the risks of war with India’s nuclear-armed rival, Pakistan.

Experts are worrying about what India will do when Pakistan-based militants carry out another attack in India, as is almost certain. And how will Pakistan respond?

“We’re not at the point of no return, but we are in very dangerous waters,” said Bruce Riedel, a fellow at the Brookings Institution who served in the Central Intelligence Agency, where he advised several American presidents on South Asia.

“When we get to the next terror attack, which is probably only a matter of time, the prime minister has boxed himself in, and he can’t take the route his predecessors did and choose to use solely diplomatic alternatives without some loss of face,” Mr. Riedel said.Surgical strikes showed what options we have. Perhaps Bruce must get over his Cold war views of looking everything as binary.

After Pakistan-based militants attacked an army base in Kashmir in September, Mr. Modi publicly declared retaliatory strikes in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, the disputed Himalayan region. Previous governments had made similar forays but only in covert operations. Mr. Modi followed the strikes with a campaign to isolate Pakistan diplomatically — he denounced the country as “a mother ship of terrorism” at a summit meeting last week — and they have unleashed a nationalist fury within India that may be hard to contain.

That frenzy, stoked by the Indian news media, “is in danger of pushing India into conflict,” said Myra MacDonald, the author of “Defeat Is an Orphan: How Pakistan Lost the Great South Asian War.”How? Pakistani did not retaliate after India’s strikes last month, and instead tried to play them down. To acknowledge them would have forced Pakistan to retaliate, experts say, and Pakistan is not eager to plunge into a war.Excellent. So the brave Generals are naked. NYT finally gets it

But the Pakistani Army cannot realistically deny anything took place after each incident, said Ajai Shukla, a retired Indian Army colonel who writes about defense for the Business Standard newspaper in New Delhi. “The Pakistani military would be forced to retaliate in the event of a more prominent strike,” in part to guard its image as the ever-vigilant protector of Pakistan, he said. And there is no predicting where such a conflict could lead, the experts say. “The big danger here is once you get started up the escalation ladder, how do you cool it off?” Mr. Riedel said. “I’m scared,” Mr. Shukla said. “We’re not Israel bullying Gaza, or the U.S. with Haiti. We’re the fourth-biggest army confronting the 11th-biggest army.”

Still, many praise Mr. Modi for deftly handling the diplomacy around the September military strikes so Pakistan did not feel compelled to retaliate, and the United States and other nations were supportive. “Modi walked a very fine line that worked for him this time,” Mr. Shukla said.He said he believed Mr. Modi was confident that he could find a way to respond to the next militant attack without allowing the situation to spiral out of control. The latest strikes were too small to deter militant activity but might be strategically helpful by making Mr. Modi seem unpredictable and irrational to a Pakistan accustomed to a more muted response from India, Mr. Shukla said.

The nuclear-armed neighbors have been facing off ever since gaining independence from Britain in 1947. They have fought three wars and routinely shoot each other’s soldiers in border disputes. In January, several militants infiltrated an Indian Air Force base and engaged in a daylong battle before they were killed. India said they were members of the Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Muhammad group, and Pakistan arrested several members in response. Then in September, militants attacked an army base near the line of control separating Indian-controlled Kashmir from the Pakistani side, killing 19 soldiers. India said items found on the slain militants bore Pakistani markings, but Pakistan denied involvement. Mr. Modi’s more aggressive public response has resonated with a public that has grown increasingly frustrated by the inability of successive governments to stop militant attacks that India believes — and in some cases has proved — emanate from Pakistan. Since 2001, militants have struck the Indian Parliament, Mumbai’s top hotels and the city’s main train station, in addition to military targets, among others. Mr. Modi’s predecessors were more risk averse by nature, Mr. Shukla said. “Modi is better at brinkmanship than they were in these actions where there’s an element of risk,” Mr. Shukla said. “Manmohan Singh would not take that risk and would place India’s economic development ahead of it,” he said, referring to the previous prime minister.

That willingness to take risk derives in part from Mr. Modi’s ambition. Where his predecessors looked at Pakistan as a problem to be managed, the Modi administration seems to believe it can solve the Indian-Pakistani conflict, Ms. MacDonald said.“That’s dangerous, because I don’t think they can solve it,” she said. Of course, Myra is the perfect person to say that given how she has experienced first hand her country sucked dry and cleaned out by Pakistan.

In his swearing-in ceremony in 2014, Mr. Modi invited Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of Pakistan to India, signaling an interest in making peace. He later visited Lahore for an impromptu visit with Mr. Sharif. But despite Mr. Modi’s overtures, the militant attacks have continued.

Harsh V. Pant, a professor of international relations at King’s College in London, said he believed Mr. Modi viewed as a personal affront the fact that “his overtures to Pakistan have gone in vain.” In reality, Mr. Sharif does not have full control over militant groups in his country, Mr. Riedel said. In Pakistan, power is divided between the democratically elected government and the military, whose powerful intelligence wing, experts say, is tied to some militant groups that carry out attacks in India. The leaders of the groups roam freely in Pakistan, some seen as local heroes. “Prime Minister Sharif knows better than most that there are limits to how far he can push the army without the army pushing him out the door,” Mr. Riedel said.

In the nationalist fervor that has gripped India, a leading Bollywood film producers group voted to ban employing Pakistanis, and a major cinema organization said it would not screen films with Pakistani actors. The mainstream news media has jumped into the fray, with a popular television talk show host, Arnab Goswami, berating the Indian superstar Salman Khan for not supporting the ban on Pakistani actors. Nationalist sentiment has spiraled so high that even Mr. Modi may be powerless to contain it, Mr. Shukla said. “He’s gotten onto the tiger, and now he can’t get off,” he said. Seems like NYT is also pissed that the media narrative is changing and they are not in the driving seat for now.

With elections coming up in Uttar Pradesh, India’s largest state, Mr. Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party will be motivated to keep nationalist sentiment high because it has quickly subsumed economic development as the party’s main election platform there, Mr. Shukla said. But as useful as Mr. Modi might believe that frenzy is in winning votes, it is confirming fears in Pakistan that India is the aggressor and is not interested in peace, Ms. MacDonald said. “The message that the Indian government wants to give to Pakistan is we do want peace but we want you to get rid of” the militant groups, she said. In Pakistan, she said, “what’s coming across now is the opposite, and that’s created an atmosphere where a lot of people are rallying behind the army.Isnt that a good thingThat pressures the Pakistani government against exercising restraint in the future. And in the “media frenzy,” there is little room for either side to initiate dialogue, “on the fringes of a meeting, to pick up the threads and talk,” Ms. MacDonald said. “It’s a very dangerous situation,” Mr. Riedel said, “one big terrorist attack from disaster.”

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Postby Gagan » 25 Oct 2016 02:17

Police training college, Quetta.
This is the hostel where about 5-6 suicide attackers are holding about 200 police trainees hostage...

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.0873556 ... a=!3m1!1e3

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Postby Prem » 25 Oct 2016 03:17

Karachi_Post ‏@Karachi_Post 7m7 minutes ago
Emergency imposed in #Quetta.

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Postby Gagan » 25 Oct 2016 03:37

Now now, Raheel is clearly overdoing it to depose Nawaz.
I was expecting a 25-35 score onlee, nothing too unusual for La La land.

But could this be APS redux?

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Postby Rudradev » 25 Oct 2016 03:42

JE Menon wrote:>>>...From 1960,1970s,1980s the Pakistani was part of the plan and Pakistan was encouraged and welcomed in the official circles. Pak took this as a signal to reject Indian culture and Indian connection in the west and also at home in Pakistan. The common antipathy to Indian culture from the west and Pakistan was a bond which was used to put Indians down.

A critically important insight in my view.


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I remember when I was a small kid (early '80s I guess) we would receive TIME magazine at home.

Even at that age I noticed there was a tendency in the western media to glorify Pakistan and Pakistanis while almost remaining silent about India, and covering India with brutal condescension when mentioning it at all.

I clearly remember looking at a two-page, colored ad spread in TIME for an international hotel chain (I think it was Hyatt). Something about "America, you can come home to us wherever you are". The ad contained little photographs of an entire list of Hyatt locations across the world. "Lahore, Pakistan" and "Peshawar, Pakistan" were two I noticed, mainly because there was not even one location in India.

I also used to see similar ads in TIME for Thai airlines. Again, Pakistan (Karachi I guess) was in their destination map. No Indian destinations existed at all. India was just a grey shape with no cities marked in it, and viciously truncated to the north to include POK/NA in Pakistan (there would, however, be a censor stamp by the Baboos of the GOI, saying something to the effect "The Boundaries of India As Depicted In This Map Are Neither Accurate Nor Lawful".) It was kind of pathetic... the GOI wouldn't BAN TIME magazine for its repeated infractions of this rule, and allow the magazine to be imported by Indian subscribers, but somehow still continued applying its meek, weekly stamp of protest.

It is only now that I realize Pakistan WAS the surrogate for an "acceptable" sort of "Indian culture" in the West at that time. Everything associated with India... warm hospitality, music, dance, deliciously spicy food, minarets, beautiful women in richly colored fabrics, handsome mustachioed men in turbans... was labeled "Pakistan". India meanwhile was a grey mass that couldn't even get its outline depicted accurately. Besides, he "Hindu" aspects of India... poverty, caste, cows, curry, many-armed demonic idols, women set ablaze on their husbands' pyres or for dowry... were exclusively property of the Republic of India onlee. For both Pakistanis and the West to recoil against in shared disgust.

This goes back to the Muslim League-promulgated myth that Muslims were the ones who civilized heathen Hindu India by ruling it, and hence natural cultural allies of the West when it came to despising the savage hordes of Hindu India, and their corrupt, pompous, finger-wagging Socialist leadership. That attitude, embraced completely by the British sponsors of Pakistan, was transferred in toto to American views of India.

Today the shoe is almost completely on the other foot for Pakistan. They have become essentially equated with Islamic Terrorism (and little else) in the Western outlook.

However, the shoe is not completely on the other foot as regards India. We have reclaimed some symbols of our culture from Pakistan in the Western gaze, to be sure. But that culture isn't regarded, or received in the West as warmly as it used to be when filtered through the Pakistan lens. The "caste/cows/curry" tirade of atrocity literature is still in full flow, and has in fact expanded to include a number of trumped-up "human rights" angles about the oppression of women... "rape culture" and what not. Meanwhile, when Indian practices are adopted in the West, such as yoga or vegetarian diet, every effort is made to uproot these from Hindu culture and digest them as part of the universal knowledge of mankind.

It is almost as if, like sugar added to a cup of bitter coffee, the dominating presence of an Abrahamic, monotheistic Islam made "Indian culture" more palatable to the West than the real thing in its authentic, original, profoundly Hindu form. Today, with the demise of Pakistan's respectability, that culture is presented in its raw form and the West has a love-hate relationship with it.

Net net... the cultural propriety of India has been effectively taken away from Pakistan. However, it has not been completely reclaimed by India. That is a fight we've yet to finish.
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Postby Prem » 25 Oct 2016 03:45

Gagan wrote:Now now, Raheel is clearly overdoing it to depose Nawaz.
I was expecting a 25-35 score onlee, nothing too unusual for La La land.
But could this be APS redux?


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